What could we get for Quincy Morgan?

[DLCassidy]

Let's just say that Mark Clayton is there at 20 and we draft him. The first loud noise you'll hear will be Quincy Morgan's shoe going through his wide screen. So.....would it make sense to move Morgan for a draft pick on draft day? Morgan's not going to be happy as a #4 and we won't draft Clayton to watch Morgan play so a deal would seem sensible. Or do you wait and see in case someone gets hurt? What could we get? I'd take an early 4th.

[Everlastingxxx]

Me personally, i'd take a 7th rounder for him and know i ripped some team off.

[KingTuna]

We get DEPTH with Morgan....

[Gooch]

2 six-packs of mickey's big mouth and a pack of chicklets.

[WoodysGirl]

Let's just say that Mark Clayton is there at 20 and we draft him. The first loud noise you'll hear will be Quincy Morgan's shoe going through his wide screen. So.....would it make sense to move Morgan for a draft pick on draft day? Morgan's not going to be happy as a #4 and we won't draft Clayton to watch Morgan play so a deal would seem sensible. Or do you wait and see in case someone gets hurt? What could we get? I'd take an early 4th.

How do you know Morgan's not gonna be happy as a number #4. Who says he'd even be a #4? It's rare WRs can contribute right away on offense. So drafting Clayton wouldn't mean he'd overtake Morgan. Notice how Crayton and Copper didn't seem to get a shot at WR until late in the season. Before then they were ST'ers.

Morgan is a vet and has a lot to prove and it's prolly just me, but I didn't see enough one way or the other to form a true opinion of his play. He had the one big play and promptly pulled his hammy. So for me, I don't think I could give a fair opinion of him since he wasn't playing healthy nor at full speed.

[tyke1doe]

Let's just say that Mark Clayton is there at 20 and we draft him. The first loud noise you'll hear will be Quincy Morgan's shoe going through his wide screen. So.....would it make sense to move Morgan for a draft pick on draft day? Morgan's not going to be happy as a #4 and we won't draft Clayton to watch Morgan play so a deal would seem sensible. Or do you wait and see in case someone gets hurt? What could we get? I'd take an early 4th.

What makes you think Morgan would be #4 on the depth chart?
He'll have a year in the Cowboys' system compared to Clayton.
Also, isn't the argument that we need receivers to eventually replace Keyshawn and Glenn?
Why would Morgan assume we drafted Clayton to replace him?
If anything, he'll see himself as the #1 or #2 guy after Keyshawn and Glenn leave.

[TheHustler]

Morgan is better than most people here think. He's much like AB, tons of talent and potential.

[bbgun]

He's only on the books for one more year, so keep him around should someone get injured.

[Vertigo_17]

Why is everyone so quick to write Morgan off? We only got to see a tiny bit last year before he pulled the hamstring. I don't count what happened in Cleveland...well, because it's Cleveland. I think with the right amount on coaching and having a QB that can throw the ball deep - he could be a valuable asset.

[CalMor]

How bout giving Morgan for the player that the Saints want in the Howard deal ? I could deal with that better than I could giving up Dat.

[dargonking999]

Let's just say that Mark Clayton is there at 20 and we draft him. The first loud noise you'll hear will be Quincy Morgan's shoe going through his wide screen. So.....would it make sense to move Morgan for a draft pick on draft day? Morgan's not going to be happy as a #4 and we won't draft Clayton to watch Morgan play so a deal would seem sensible. Or do you wait and see in case someone gets hurt? What could we get? I'd take an early 4th.

hey hey dont forget
1) Our WR arent getting younger
2) he got hurt last year we have yet to see wxactly what he has
3) He will have a year on Mark
4) It takes time to devolp players
5) Why woudl you wanna get rid of a guy who can make 4 WR sets jsut straight up fearful, the more the better

[Waffle]

Why is everyone so quick to write Morgan off? We only got to see a tiny bit last year before he pulled the hamstring. I don't count what happened in Cleveland...well, because it's Cleveland.

I tend to agree with you on this.

I think Ekuban was the only player on the entire roster who actually improved by becoming a Brown.

[joshjwp]

I say keep him around for depth, considering Keyshawn Johnson and Terry Glenn were both injured last season and are getting up there in age.

BTW I would rather draft Troy Williamson at 20 if he falls than Mark Clayton.

[LA=Pancakemaker]

Morgan has wheels , if he could catch with his hands instead of his body - I would say keep em!

[dargonking999]

How bout giving Morgan for the player that the Saints want in the Howard deal ? I could deal with that better than I could giving up Dat.


saints want a defensive player, they feel their offense is set

[DLCassidy]

if he could catch with his hands instead of his body

...and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.

[DLCassidy]

We get DEPTH with Morgan....

Right. And we'd be drafting depth with an extra 2nd day pick. The issue is where do we need the depth more. Personally I'd say RB and NT.

[DLCassidy]

How do you know Morgan's not gonna be happy as a number #4. Who says he'd even be a #4? It's rare WRs can contribute right away on offense. So drafting Clayton wouldn't mean he'd overtake Morgan. Notice how Crayton and Copper didn't seem to get a shot at WR until late in the season. Before then they were ST'ers.

Morgan is a vet and has a lot to prove and it's prolly just me, but I didn't see enough one way or the other to form a true opinion of his play. He had the one big play and promptly pulled his hammy. So for me, I don't think I could give a fair opinion of him since he wasn't playing healthy nor at full speed.

#4's don't play. You think Morgan will be happy with not playing? I don't. And don't compare Crayton and Copper to Mark Clayton because there is none. Lot's of rookie receivers play and play well. Look at Lee Evans last year. It took him a few games but he was a big reason why Buffalo won 6 of their last 7. Clayton is a playmaker. Even if he was used as the #3 receiver in the slot as a rookie he could be an impact player.

[LA=Pancakemaker]

...and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle

Ya but I bet she has a mustache? You better check again!

[DLCassidy]

What makes you think Morgan would be #4 on the depth chart?
He'll have a year in the Cowboys' system compared to Clayton.
Also, isn't the argument that we need receivers to eventually replace Keyshawn and Glenn?
Why would Morgan assume we drafted Clayton to replace him?
If anything, he'll see himself as the #1 or #2 guy after Keyshawn and Glenn leave.

Clayton wouldn't be drafted to be a future #3, but he might be as a rookie, which would be fine, and a nice insurance policy in case either Glenn or Johnson get hurt, which is a distinct possibility for over 30 receivers. Morgan would be smart enough to understand that Clayton at the very least would be a serious threat to his playing time this year.

[dargonking999]

#4's don't play. You think Morgan will be happy with not playing? I don't. And don't compare Crayton and Copper to Mark Clayton because there is none. Lot's of rookie receivers play and play well. Look at Lee Evans last year. It took him a few games but he was a big reason why Buffalo won 6 of their last 7. Clayton is a playmaker. Even if he was used as the #3 receiver in the slot as a rookie he could be an impact player.


no #4's in a two reciever offense dont play. When you have playmakers on your team you play them. IF BP sees he has 4 PLaymaking WR's guess who's palying all 4. If i remeber correctly when we had all our recivers healthy we opened the monday night game against the redskins in a 5WR formation. Now do you want to trade of soembody and keep the tradtinal 2 WR, or do you wanna strech the defense and ahve LB and crappy CB playing your WR?

[WoodysGirl]

#4's don't play. You think Morgan will be happy with not playing? I don't. And don't compare Crayton and Copper to Mark Clayton because there is none. Lot's of rookie receivers play and play well. Look at Lee Evans last year. It took him a few games but he was a big reason why Buffalo won 6 of their last 7. Clayton is a playmaker. Even if he was used as the #3 receiver in the slot as a rookie he could be an impact player.

I'm not disputing Clayton as a player. But since this is hypothetical at this point, no one knows how Morgan would react at the idea of possibly becoming the #4 option. I agree probably not with the greatest attitude, but no one can say for sure unless they have recorded message of him saying "H*** No! I a'int playing no #4"

My point with throwing Copper and Crayton was due to the fact it's harder for most rookie WRs to play well. Also the fact that neither didn't see added playing time until they had learned the position better. But since you want to discount them as not being in Clayton's class, how about Reggie Williams from Jax or Michael Jenkins from ATL. Both 1st round picks who didn't play well their rookie years. So the chances of beating out Morgan would be slim, at best. At least until maybe towards the end of the year. IMO

[BrAinPaiNt]

http://www.oddtodd.com/!cid_image002.jpg

Just joking.

With Terry Glenn a player that seems to always get injured, with Keys coming off of an injury, and even if we get Clayton (or another WR) it will take time for them to learn the system and NFL.

Morgan, good or bad, provides depth.....even if it means someone like Crayton is above him in the depth chart, if that would happen. :D

[cwbys4evr]

I'd settle for a Mountain Dew and a bag of Fritos, plus somebody who can actually CATCH the ball.

[DLCassidy]

but no one can say for sure unless they have recorded message of him saying "H*** No! I a'int playing no #4"

Call him up 5 minutes after Clayton gets picked at 20, record the call and you can play us all the tape.

My point with throwing Copper and Crayton was due to the fact it's harder for most rookie WRs to play well. Also the fact that neither didn't see added playing time until they had learned the position better. But since you want to discount them as not being in Clayton's class, how about Reggie Williams from Jax or Michael Jenkins from ATL. Both 1st round picks who didn't play well their rookie years. So the chances of beating out Morgan would be slim, at best. At least until maybe towards the end of the year. IMO

Clayton is the most ready for prime time WR in the draft and that includes Mike Williams and Braylon Edwards. I'm not saying he'll be better than those two, although I wouldn't be surprised, but he runs great routes, catches everything, likes to block, likes to go over the middle. All he needs to do is learn the playbook. Two games into the pre-season noone will want to see Morgan on the field. That's not so much a knock on Morgan as praise for Clayton.

[royhitshard]

I am all for Clayton wearing the star, but I believe it will take some time for him to adjust to the NFL. He will be a great receiver, but I would keep Morgan around for insurance.

[DLCassidy]

no #4's in a two reciever offense dont play. When you have playmakers on your team you play them. IF BP sees he has 4 PLaymaking WR's guess who's palying all 4. If i remeber correctly when we had all our recivers healthy we opened the monday night game against the redskins in a 5WR formation. Now do you want to trade of soembody and keep the tradtinal 2 WR, or do you wanna strech the defense and ahve LB and crappy CB playing your WR?

I hear what you're saying. If we had a solid RT I think I'd be with you. But with Bledsoe at QB you had better pass protect or get rid of the ball most of the time fast or max protect. That doesn't make for a lot of 4 WR sets. I bet we play a lot more 2 WR sets with 2 TE's. Having said that a 3rd WR as a rookie can do damage with Bledsoe as QB. Look at the #'s Josh Reed had as a rookie in Buffalo in 2002- 37 catches for 509 yards. And Reed is no Mark Clayton and Buffalo's line is worse than Dallas's.

[Phrozen Phil]

Morgan is a player who will do as he is told and will work hard. Having said that, I would belive that the Cowboys would be foolish not to take Clayton if was available at #20. He is likely the best route runner of this year's class. If either one (or both) of the Drews is an accurate passer, then this guy is a good fit.

[p226sig]

Morgan has wheels , if he could catch with his hands instead of his body - I would say keep em!

Doesn't it make you wonder if the Cowboys just send him out for 8 hours a day TRYING to catch long balls with his hands.

Sounds sort of gay I know, but I bet he just sets in a dark room reviewing tapes most of his day instead of improving on his inabilities.

[conner01]

i think clayton would make an impact on special teams right away and if he has a good camp then you can decide to trade qmorg or not.i would'nt do anything till i had to.you need depth in camp becuase likley someone will get hurt.it just gives you more options and if clayton comes around like i think he would then you can trade qmorg.you won't keep both unless clayton struggles and i don't see that happening.to much money in qmorg to be inactive.your not likley to have him active since he does'nt do anything on special teams.there's a good chance he could get beat out by copper,or crayton too.and they can play on s.t.'s,qmorg is in a bad situation,he only does one thing and it remains to be seen just how good he is at that one thing

[Banned_n_austin]

http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/celebrity/images/Rock/rr-georgemichael.JPG <--- I'm like this guy. . .

I've got "faith" in Quincy Morgan. . .



OK - I'm off to kick my own arse now.



:leave:

[Pooz]

Who said we really want Clayton? Little small for my tastes or at least he looks it.

[jimmy40]

Antonio Bryant?

[The30YardSlant]

What could we get for Quincy Morgan?

http://home.ptd.net/~warnergt/Cheetos-FH.jpg

[Everlastingxxx]

Antonio Bryant?

^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Compacity]

How about we give morgan back and get Antonio Bryant back for him....sounds good?

[Mike 1967]

I have absolutely no idea. I have not seen enough of this guy to have an informed opinion.

Let's see what he looks like with a good hammy and an offseason in Big Bills Program.

[Sandman52]

Can Morgan be a PR/KR? I believe that would be Clayton's biggest attribute early on.

[2233boys]

What could we get for Quincy Morgan?

Let's just say that Mark Clayton is there at 20 and we draft him. The first loud noise you'll hear will be Quincy Morgan's shoe going through his wide screen. So.....would it make sense to move Morgan for a draft pick on draft day? Morgan's not going to be happy as a #4 and we won't draft Clayton to watch Morgan play so a deal would seem sensible. Or do you wait and see in case someone gets hurt? What could we get? I'd take an early 4th.


I think a bag of chips and a coke would be appriopiate compensation

[2233boys]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-12/904361/fearroy2.jpg

Great sig

[HardHittin'Witten]

What could we get for Quincy Morgan?

*looks in wallet*

I got a couple of bucks, a bus pass...

[SuspectCorner]

http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/celebrity/images/Rock/rr-georgemichael.JPG <--- I'm like this guy. . .


pretty bold statement considering what we know about georgie-boy. i see you in a public restroom and i do an about-face with a quickness.

i'd trade morgan for a bag of fertilizer.

but he ain't worth s***.

[cwbys4evr]

Well, so far the consensus is that the deal should include an appropiate bag of chips, with a couple of us holding out for soda too, being the savvy negotiators that we are.