ST: Ware fined $15,000

[cowboyjoe]

Ware fined $15,000
The league has fined Cowboys outside linebacker DeMarcus Ware $15,000 for his roughing the passer penalty on Bills quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick on Sunday. The Cowboys were penalized 15 yards on the first play from scrimmage in the second half after Ware hit Fitzpatrick in the head and neck area.


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[burmafrd]

Ware fined $15,000
The league has fined Cowboys outside linebacker DeMarcus Ware $15,000 for his roughing the passer penalty on Bills quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick on Sunday. The Cowboys were penalized 15 yards on the first play from scrimmage in the second half after Ware hit Fitzpatrick in the head and neck area.


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watched that replay several times. It was BS.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Football is so soft nowadays. :banghead:

[Illini88228]

Football is so soft nowadays. :banghead:

Not as many lousy backup quarterback's playing either. It's a tradeoff.

Ware can afford the 15k.

[Hoofbite]

watched that replay several times. It was BS.

If by "BS" you mean "obvious helmet-to-helmet contact", I would agree.

[casmith07]

I would appeal that penalty if I were him.

[Hoofbite]

I would appeal that penalty if I were him.

On what grounds?

[Kilyin]

If by "BS" you mean "obvious helmet-to-helmet contact", I would agree.

Facemasks touched, and it was incidental. Also Ware did not take more than one step after the ball was released before he hit him. I can see how you'd make the call in realtime, but it was clearly not roughing the passer by definition of the rule. All I'm gonna say.

[Hoofbite]

Facemasks touched, and it was incidental. Also Ware did not take more than one step after the ball was released before he hit him. I can see how you'd make the call in realtime, but it was clearly not roughing the passer by definition of the rule. All I'm gonna say.

It doesn't matter if it was incidental or not. You can't have helmet-to-helmet contact and he did. How many hits to the head of the QB are actually intentional?

And steps don't matter either. They didn't call a late hit. They called a blow to the QBs head or something to that effect.

Fitzpatrick's head snapped back from the hit and unless the rule states that helmet-to-helmet hits aren't outlawed it was a penalty by the rule.

[mldardy]

If by "BS" you mean "obvious helmet-to-helmet contact", I would agree.
Look at this guy. Mr. Trying to tell someone what he thinks is right. ****H.

:rolleyes: The only BS is a poster trying to tell me that play was obvious helmet to helmet. No it wasn't. It was a weak, reactionary call like most of these hits on the qb and defenseless receivers.

[Hoofbite]

:rolleyes: The only BS is a poster trying to tell me that play was obvious helmet to helmet. No it wasn't. It was a weak, reactionary call like most of these hits on the qb and defenseless receivers.

It was helmet-to-helmet.

Are you saying there was no helmet contact.....or that you just didn't see it?

[mldardy]

It was helmet-to-helmet.

Are you saying there was no helmet contact.....or that you just didn't see it?
There was no clear evidence that was helmet to helmet contact. I saw the replays and you could never clearly see Ware come in contact with Fitzpatrick's helmet. Did Ware hit him high? Yes. Did he hit his helmet with Fitzpatrick? Who the hell knows. What I do know like I said is that anything that appears to be a helmet to helmet is automatically flagged and called a penalty. It was another in a hundred of reactionary calls by these refs that has wussified the game.

[casmith07]

On what grounds?

On the grounds that it wasn't even close to helmet-to-helmet.

[Hoofbite]

There was no clear evidence that was helmet to helmet contact. I saw the replays and you could never clearly see Ware come in contact with Fitzpatrick's helmet. Did Ware hit him high? Yes. Did he hit his helmet with Fitzpatrick? Who the hell knows. What I do know like I said is that anything that appears to be a helmet to helmet is automatically flagged and called a penalty. It was another in a hundred of reactionary calls by these refs that has wussified the game.

On the grounds that it wasn't even close to helmet-to-helmet.

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[67CowboysFan]

Not as many lousy backup quarterback's playing either. It's a tradeoff.

Ware can afford the 15k.
He did not get his moneys worth on that play.

[mldardy]

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Pretty weak. And as I said not a good angle. Doesn't prove that is a helmet to helmet hit.

[rkell87]

It was helmet-to-helmet.

Are you saying there was no helmet contact.....or that you just didn't see it?
i don't consider the facemask the helmet. their facemasks touched, there is nothing wrong with the hit and he should appeal the fine. i understand the call but do not agree with the fine

[Hoofbite]

i don't consider the facemask the helmet. their facemasks touched, there is nothing wrong with the hit and he should appeal the fine. i understand the call but do not agree with the fine

Doesn't matter what you consider part of the helmet because the rules do.

[Hoofbite]

Pretty weak. And as I said not a good angle. Doesn't prove that is a helmet to helmet hit.

What do you mean doesn't prove? How do you explain his head snapping back while his upper body barely moves at all?

And you do realize the refs aren't watching this angle?

[ajk23az]

On the grounds that it wasn't even close to helmet-to-helmet.

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It was obvious helmet to helmet. VERY obvious.

[mldardy]

What do you mean doesn't prove? How do you explain his head snapping back while his upper body barely moves at all?

And you do realize the refs aren't watching this angle?
A person's head can snap back for many reasons. One is avoiding getting hit in the head. That video is not clear in any way from that angle. Add to that it was for about a split second if you don't slow it down. That is so incredibly weak and not worth 15K.


And you do realize the refs aren't watching this angle?

Really? :bang2: I thought there was a ref sitting in the stands filming it.:rolleyes:
You do realize that refs get it wrong plenty of times?

[28 Joker]

Why didn't Trent Cole get fined or a penalty for hitting Romo helmet to helmet? That was a pretty vicious shot, imo. Cole saw his opportunity and took it.

[808CowboyFan]

A person's head can snap back for many reasons. One is avoiding getting hit in the head. That video is not clear in any way from that angle. Add to that it was for about a split second if you don't slow it down. That is so incredibly weak and not worth 15K.



Really? :bang2: I thought there was a ref sitting in the stands filming it.:rolleyes:
You do realize that refs get it wrong plenty of times?

If he was getting hit from the back, then I could see his head snapping back that way but he is getting hit in the front. Getting hit from the front, it would cause his head to snap forward but it didn't because his facemask was hit. It was unintentional and Ware had no malicious attempt at all but it is still against the rules to make contact in the head area.

[28 Joker]

That guy is holding Ware around the waist. I know that I've seen that type of hit not called, but they called it. It is what it is. The QB's head was a bit tilted toward Ware, and the QB's head snapped. The head snap probably drew the flag.

[RastaRocket]

wow that's stupid.

he even helped him up lol.

[Hoofbite]

A person's head can snap back for many reasons. One is avoiding getting hit in the head. That video is not clear in any way from that angle. Add to that it was for about a split second if you don't slow it down. That is so incredibly weak and not worth 15K.

Yeah, he was avoiding the hit moving only his head without his shoulders or upper body moving hardly at all in the same direction, all while not even being done finishing his follow though....:rolleyes:

Really? :bang2: I thought there was a ref sitting in the stands filming it.:rolleyes:
You do realize that refs get it wrong plenty of times?

Sure they do. Just not in this case.

[Go Big D!]

Ware blatantly cocked his head to the right to avoid contact with Fitz's helmet. Fitzpatrick turned his head into Ware's helmet causing the collision. If anything, that penalty should be on him, not Ware. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.

[mldardy]

Yeah, he was avoiding the hit moving only his head without his shoulders or upper body moving hardly at all in the same direction, all while not even being done finishing his follow though....:rolleyes:



Sure they do. Just not in this case.
You can avoid a hit by moving your head only when you are being tackled on the way down and have no balance. Not impossible. If you are trying to protect your a hit to the head you can try to move your head out of the way. You act like the dude's head was snapped back so badly that he had a concussion. I'm done with this topic, you want to defend this chump of qb, and this horrible rule and horrible refs be my guest. It was a weak call and weak fine and it is not clear that was a helmet to helmet hit.

[Hoofbite]

You can avoid a hit by moving your head only when you are being tackled on the way down and have no balance. Not impossible. If you are trying to protect your a hit to the head you can try to move your head out of the way. You act like the dude's head was snapped back so badly that he had a concussion. I'm done with this topic, you want to defend this chump of qb, and this horrible rule and horrible refs be my guest. It was a weak call and weak fine and it is not clear that was a helmet to helmet hit.

You're trying to say he was throwing what was a perfect pass and avoiding a hit specifically to the head all that same time in a time span that was literally less than a second.

Presence of, or lack of, a concussion doesn't mean anything. I've seen guys get destroyed and stand right up without any sort of trouble. I've also seen guys get hit routinely and stumble around.

How am I defending the QB? I didn't know anyone was accusing Fitz of anything.

It's only not "clear" to people who live in a fantasy world.

You're borderline delusional, likely not even borderline.

[tupperware]

Clear helmet to helmet and I dislike the refs as much as anyone.

[JIGGYFLY]

You can avoid a hit by moving your head only when you are being tackled on the way down and have no balance. Not impossible. If you are trying to protect your a hit to the head you can try to move your head out of the way. You act like the dude's head was snapped back so badly that he had a concussion. I'm done with this topic, you want to defend this chump of qb, and this horrible rule and horrible refs be my guest. It was a weak call and weak fine and it is not clear that was a helmet to helmet hit.

You know you could just admit to missing the blatant hit to the head and be done with it.

Just because Hoof was right about this call does not mean he is defnending the call or the QB.

[rkell87]

Doesn't matter what you consider part of the helmet because the rules do.
you are taught to see what you hit, if you see what you hit then your facemask is the only part of your(the hitters) helmet that will ever hit the person you are hitting. you should not be fined for doing something the right way. it was a ticky tack call that has to be made because of the way the league is headed and I get that but the fine is not justifiable and I know ware is going to be a better person about it than I would be because the next time that situation comes up I would bury my helmet in his chest all the way to the ground so I don't get fined and injure the QB then have the QB tell the NFL which shot he wants to take

[Hoofbite]

you are taught to see what you hit, if you see what you hit then your facemask is the only part of your(the hitters) helmet that will ever hit the person you are hitting. you should not be fined for doing something the right way. it was a ticky tack call that has to be made because of the way the league is headed and I get that but the fine is not justifiable and I know ware is going to be a better person about it than I would be because the next time that situation comes up I would bury my helmet in his chest all the way to the ground so I don't get fined and injure the QB then have the QB tell the NFL which shot he wants to take

I don't even like the rule but as long as it is a rule, I don't see how people can get pissed at legit calls.

Get pissed at the ones they miss, not the one's they get right.

Although I think Ware could have drilled him in the chest and avoided the penalty, I also understand that he was trying to make a play in the heat of the moment.

[Zaxor]

I do not believe if Ware was doing his job like he was that hit could have been avoided... so now comes the word intent...was it Ware's intent to hit the QB in the head and to me it does not look like that was his intent. and should therefore not be fined

[casmith07]

Still don't see it. I don't care how many grainy slow motion videos are posted.

I don't see helmet to helmet contact. I see a forearm to the chest.

[dwarecwby311]

appeal

[Phrozen Phil]

I beleive that the rules have changed to protect players from head injuries. I also believe that officiating is more subjective than we'd like it to be. I've had the benefit of watching it after the fact (several times) amd I can see why the ref coould call it. I don't personally think there was helmet to helmet contact, but I don't think anybody here is delusional or stupid. (at least I hope not ;))

[burmafrd]

I beleive that the rules have changed to protect players from head injuries. I also believe that officiating is more subjective than we'd like it to be. I've had the benefit of watching it after the fact (several times) amd I can see why the ref coould call it. I don't personally think there was helmet to helmet contact, but I don't think anybody here is delusional or stupid. (at least I hope not ;))


What is REALLY BS is the fine.

[Doomsay]

Pretty weak. And as I said not a good angle. Doesn't prove that is a helmet to helmet hit.

For the sighted it does.


BS fine though.

[AbeBeta]

Facemasks touched, and it was incidental. .

Incidental is irrelevant. Players are responsible for what happens, period.

This decision is entirely consistent with the rules.

[Gibby!]

Clear helmet to helmet and I dislike the refs as much as anyone.

Agreed, but I don't agree with the fine, there is no way that was intentional or flagrant, and its not like he makes a habit out of helmet to helmet shots.

[kTXe]

Without a doubt helmet-to-helmet. $15k seems high though. Has Ware been fined before? If he is some sort of "repeat offender" the number may make more sense.

[AbeBeta]

Agreed, but I don't agree with the fine, there is no way that was intentional or flagrant, and its not like he makes a habit out of helmet to helmet shots.

and you know if it was intentional how?

[Gibby!]

and you know if it was intentional how?

Well, obviously I don't... :rolleyes:

Agreed, but I don't agree with the fine, the questionable contact to Fitzpatrick's helmet does not appear to be intentional or flagrant, and its not like he makes a habit out of helmet to helmet shots.

Is that better? ;)

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

If I'm Rex Ryan I sit Ware down after the game and tell him "I want that exact same hit once every game this year. It was textbook, vicious, violent, and I loved it". Fitzpatrick played scared after that hit and was throwing off his back foot falling away. I'll take 15 yards and a fine every week to send that message. If he does that early to Grossman on Sunday he'll brown his shorts.

Penalty or no penalty if you've played any level of football before you know that's how your taught to hit. Facemask on the chest and wrap them up. Maybe Ware got a few inches too high, and maybe a flag was warranted, but 15K is just wrong. I watched Clay Mathews deliver a very similar hit Monday night. Surprisingly there was no flag :rolleyes: .

[JIGGYFLY]

Still don't see it. I don't care how many grainy slow motion videos are posted.

I don't see helmet to helmet contact. I see a forearm to the chest.

:laugh2:

Its amazing how people can be so entrenched.

[CowboyStar88]

The fine is BS but the flag was the right call because of the rule.

[rkell87]

I don't even like the rule but as long as it is a rule, I don't see how people can get pissed at legit calls.

Get pissed at the ones they miss, not the one's they get right.

Although I think Ware could have drilled him in the chest and avoided the penalty, I also understand that he was trying to make a play in the heat of the moment.
thats what im saying, idc that the call was made, i dont agree that it should be a penalty, but i understand that it is a penalty, it is the fine i take issue with

[rkell87]

If I'm Rex Ryan I sit Ware down after the game and tell him "I want that exact same hit once every game this year. It was textbook, vicious, violent, and I loved it". Fitzpatrick played scared after that hit and was throwing off his back foot falling away. I'll take 15 yards and a fine every week to send that message. If he does that early to Grossman on Sunday he'll brown his shorts.

Penalty or no penalty if you've played any level of football before you know that's how your taught to hit. Facemask on the chest and wrap them up. Maybe Ware got a few inches too high, and maybe a flag was warranted, but 15K is just wrong. I watched Clay Mathews deliver a very similar hit Monday night. Surprisingly there was no flag :rolleyes: .
why would rex sit ware down?

[jobberone]

Absolutely amazing thread.