Should NFL fans be able to vote to fire Paul Tagliabue.

[Wolverine]

Some NFL fans pay to go the games. Some NFL fans pay to get every NFL game like through Direct TV or Dish or whatever. We pay for the gear of our favorite teams. Since we are the ones who are paying and we are the ones who are watchin the NFL I think WE NFL FANS should have a say in if the Commish should be fired or not. Without us fans the NFL would die so there should come a time where we have the power to say nuff is nuff!!


I really think we should be allowed to vote on if Tagilabue should be fired. My vote would be a real easy yes. This guy ruines the NFL more every year. We should also be allowed to have a say in the rules committee.

These stupid new unsportsmanlike conduct things are stupid stupid stupid. And then this crap about tryin to make those pull down tackles like RW does illegal. What crap. How about also lettin us fans decide if we ACTUALLY WANT TO LET CORNERBACKS play like THEY SHOULD!!


Fire Tagliabue and the NFL Rules Committee both are total jokes that are ruinin the NFL.

[AJM1613]

And everytime you want to sign a free agent or trade for a player the fan base should be able to vote on it...yes! We trading McNabb for Ricky Williams.

Might as well let the fans control the draft too.

[Jimz31]

And everytime you want to sign a free agent or trade for a player the fan base should be able to vote on it...yes! We trading McNabb for Ricky Williams.

Might as well let the fans control the draft too.

Nah, just let the EAGLES fans control their own draft.

[Wolverine]

And everytime you want to sign a free agent or trade for a player the fan base should be able to vote on it...yes! We trading McNabb for Ricky Williams.

Might as well let the fans control the draft too.



Thats a stupid response. Your just mad cuz I can always put up that empty trophy case about your Super Bowls and I can brag about our FIVE!!

This is about the rules and what we wanna see. Thats it. DUHHH!

[Muhast]

thats the past tho. Were both equal now, and were last year.

WHO CARES if ur in the superbowl and lose,ur just the same as EVERY OTHER TEAM BUT THE CHAMP, u didnt win. Thats the goal, win superbowls.

Bringing up the past is stupid though.

But yes paul should be gone, no not by us.

[Hostile]

Some NFL fans pay to go the games. Some NFL fans pay to get every NFL game like through Direct TV or Dish or whatever. We pay for the gear of our favorite teams. Since we are the ones who are paying and we are the ones who are watchin the NFL I think WE NFL FANS should have a say in if the Commish should be fired or not. Without us fans the NFL would die so there should come a time where we have the power to say nuff is nuff!!


I really think we should be allowed to vote on if Tagilabue should be fired. My vote would be a real easy yes. This guy ruines the NFL more every year. We should also be allowed to have a say in the rules committee.

These stupid new unsportsmanlike conduct things are stupid stupid stupid. And then this crap about tryin to make those pull down tackles like RW does illegal. What crap. How about also lettin us fans decide if we ACTUALLY WANT TO LET CORNERBACKS play like THEY SHOULD!!


Fire Tagliabue and the NFL Rules Committee both are total jokes that are ruinin the NFL.The NFL Commissioner is not a fan elected official so why should the fans have a say? This is someone that the owners obviously want.

No, we as fans should not be able to fire him.

[Wolverine]

The NFL Commissioner is not a fan elected official so why should hte fans have a say? This is someone that the owners obviously want.

No, we as fans should not be able to fire him.


To bad. Cuz I cant tell the dif between Tagliabue and Barney the Dinosaur. I think even Barney has a bit more of a mean streak in him then Tags does.

[big dog cowboy]

I'm not sure who I dislike more, Tags or Zimmer.

[Hostile]

To bad. Cuz I cant tell the dif between Tagliabue and Barney the Dinosaur. I think even Barney has a bit more of a mean streak in him then Tags does.I actually don't think a mean streak is a good thing for an NFL Commissioner. Good business sense and a level head are the needs of the job. In some instances Tags is a very good Commissioner. There's no doubt that his legal mind and experience has helped the NFL countless times. For example the Clarett challenge to the NFL Draft rules. Tags had the NFLPA on his side. That isn't easy.

There are other ways that Tags falls short for me. In particular I have never forgiven him for taking the Super Bowl away from Arizona because the Martin Luther King holiday was voted down. Now before anyone jumps to conclusions my objection to this is not about race or Dr. King. In my opinion the NFL should not step into politics. Tags beasically was telling Arizonans how they had to vote or no Super Bowl would ever be played here. That is wrong. You don't hold a gun to someone's head to get something you want. On top of that every year since that Super Bowl was stripped from this state I have called the NFL Offices in New York City on Martin Luther King Jr.'s Holiday. Every year the offices are open for business on that day. A little hypocritical if you ask me.

I am fine with the job Tags does. I certainly don't think there is a better candidate out there right now. At least not one I can think of right away. I don't have to personally like the man to support the job he does. That said, I am not saying I dislike him. I just think putting his fate in the fan's hands is a poor idea. Fans are too reactionary. There'd be a new Commish every 2 years and the instability would hurt the game.

[Waffle]

The NFL again set the all-time attendance record in 2004. Total attendance at NFL games this past season was 21,708,624, an increase of nearly 70,000 over the previous record total of 21,639,040 in 2003.

TV ratings for NFL telecasts far outdistance any other major sport in the US.

We've had labor peace since 1987 and under Paul Tagliabue, the NFL and the Players union were finally able to agree on a Salary Cap and Unrestricted Free Agency.

The 1994, 1998, and now the latest NFL television contract have made the NFL billions of dollars.

Over half of the teams in the NFL have built state-of-the-art stadiums under Tagliabue's reign as Commissioner.

Yep...I say fire him! :rolleyes:

[Crown Royal]

Some NFL fans pay to go the games. Some NFL fans pay to get every NFL game like through Direct TV or Dish or whatever. We pay for the gear of our favorite teams. Since we are the ones who are paying and we are the ones who are watchin the NFL I think WE NFL FANS should have a say in if the Commish should be fired or not. Without us fans the NFL would die so there should come a time where we have the power to say nuff is nuff!!


I really think we should be allowed to vote on if Tagilabue should be fired. My vote would be a real easy yes. This guy ruines the NFL more every year. We should also be allowed to have a say in the rules committee.

These stupid new unsportsmanlike conduct things are stupid stupid stupid. And then this crap about tryin to make those pull down tackles like RW does illegal. What crap. How about also lettin us fans decide if we ACTUALLY WANT TO LET CORNERBACKS play like THEY SHOULD!!


Fire Tagliabue and the NFL Rules Committee both are total jokes that are ruinin the NFL.

This post is ridiculous. Let me explain why:

1 - Fans have the option to not be fans any longer. There is a difference between a stockholder and a fan. As a stockholder of Starbucks, I have a vote as to the future of the company, who I want running it, etc. As a consumer at Starbucks, I have no say - I only have the option to pay for the coffee or not. I don't get to vote on the CEO.

2 - Tagliabue does not control the rules committee. The committee, as I understand it, is a committee of owners, coaches, and GMs. Tags may have a say, but if you want someone's head, go after Rich McKay, the chairman of the Committee.

3 - Let's look at Tags as compared to the other major commissioners.
Bud Selig: "What do 'steroids' mean?"
David Stern: You gotta be kidding me, when you suspend a player, SUSPEND HIM! BTW, Stern, your league is a joke. Have some dignity, will you?
Gary Bettman: NHL. Nuff Said.
The only commissioner Tags doesn't stand up to is Pete Rozelle, and unless you have a voodoo resurrection spell, he ain't coming back.

4 - The NFL is stronger than a) any other sport or b) than it has ever been in its history. The game has dignity, fans, money, power, etc. With the CBA, I enjoy football more than ever. There has not been a major labor dispute in over 15 years. The league has expanded. Stadiums are being built. Etc.

5 - Fans are monkeys, they seldom know what is best for anything. Check out the NBA All Star game if you don't believe me. Just because they keep the game afloat with their money doesn't mean they know what is best - if you want to protest, stop buying tickets or watching the games.

[Chuck 54]

No......hmmm......No.

[tunahelper36]

Paul has been good for the league no doubt . at least in other aspects of the game . However, to try and establish such a rule that would issue a fifteen yard penalty for tackling, would prove he has been nothing more than a puppet on a string.

No I dont think the fans should be allowed to vote on such issues . Only because there are to many fans that are too young with not quite enough knowledge of the game.

[djmajestik]

This post is ridiculous. Let me explain why:

Well, let me say, I don't think it is ridiculous, a bit misguided, but it shows the level of frustration that us fans are feeling at times. I think Tags has a GREAT head for law, and overall, is doing a good job, but like Hos said above, there are issues that I have with him, AND the NFL committees.

1 - Fans have the option to not be fans any longer. There is a difference between a stockholder and a fan. As a stockholder of Starbucks, I have a vote as to the future of the company, who I want running it, etc. As a consumer at Starbucks, I have no say - I only have the option to pay for the coffee or not. I don't get to vote on the CEO.

Well, what he is saying is if everyone got together and boycotted the NFL (or a good portion of the fans), the NFL or any other big business would need to stand up and take notice. Is there a good chance of this happening, NO WAY. The league is too popular. But you can't say that "fans" or "customers" have no say whatsoever in the goings on of a particular business. If people are fed up with something, they tend not to send their dollar bills that way!

2 - Tagliabue does not control the rules committee. The committee, as I understand it, is a committee of owners, coaches, and GMs. Tags may have a say, but if you want someone's head, go after Rich McKay, the chairman of the Committee.

Exactly, Tags is not the be all and end all, just the scape goat in a lot of ways to the wrong that is happening in the NFL. In all fairness, I am very upset with what is happening with the constant rule changes, etc. but know that it has more to do with Fisher, McKay, etc. than Tags.

3 - Let's look at Tags as compared to the other major commissioners.
Bud Selig: "What do 'steroids' mean?"
David Stern: You gotta be kidding me, when you suspend a player, SUSPEND HIM! BTW, Stern, your league is a joke. Have some dignity, will you?
Gary Bettman: NHL. Nuff Said.
The only commissioner Tags doesn't stand up to is Pete Rozelle, and unless you have a voodoo resurrection spell, he ain't coming back.

You can't compare him to the other commissioners and say, well, since he is the best of what is out there, than we have nothing to complain about. Just not a valid argument in my opinion. Wolverine was refuting Tags, not the fact that he is not the best commissioner out there.

4 - The NFL is stronger than a) any other sport or b) than it has ever been in its history. The game has dignity, fans, money, power, etc. With the CBA, I enjoy football more than ever. There has not been a major labor dispute in over 15 years. The league has expanded. Stadiums are being built. Etc.

No argument from me, and no argument from Wolverine on this note. The NFL is not so much teh question, but the guys running the show. Things have been handled well in comparison to other leagues, but that doesn't refute some of the problems that the league DOES have, in respect to rule changes, etc.

5 - Fans are monkeys, they seldom know what is best for anything. Check out the NBA All Star game if you don't believe me. Just because they keep the game afloat with their money doesn't mean they know what is best - if you want to protest, stop buying tickets or watching the games.

Whether or not a customer knows what is best for him, he is ultimately the customer and his opinion and feelings need to be validated. You should NEVER isolate your customers, or you may find that they no longer frequent your establishment. I am not saying to listen to EVERY crazy notion that a particular fan may have, but there is a growing number of fans that are worrying about the league turning into the No Fun League, and we see it mroe and more every year with the league banning tackles, etc.

Would I FIRE Tags, no, but I am concerned with the latest developments with the labor dispute, rule changes, ticket prices being jacked, etc. I think this thread was started as a way of voicing concerns more than a direct target on one man.

[Crown Royal]

Well, let me say, I don't think it is ridiculous, a bit misguided, but it shows the level of frustration that us fans are feeling at times. I think Tags has a GREAT head for law, and overall, is doing a good job, but like Hos said above, there are issues that I have with him, AND the NFL committees.



Well, what he is saying is if everyone got together and boycotted the NFL (or a good portion of the fans), the NFL or any other big business would need to stand up and take notice. Is there a good chance of this happening, NO WAY. The league is too popular. But you can't say that "fans" or "customers" have no say whatsoever in the goings on of a particular business. If people are fed up with something, they tend not to send their dollar bills that way!

This is exactly what I said. The fans, if they choose to do something, have every right to stop attending games and contributing to the product. but this is very different from voting on the head of the company, which is what was proposed by the original poster. You say that "what he is saying is if everyone got together and boycotted the NFL...." But that is NOT what he is saying. He is saying that fans should have the right to VOTE on Tags' position, which is distinctly different from a boycott. A boycott is a just tool that can be used by fans, whereas a "vote" would be allowing a mass of fans to decide on a position that they are probably not qualified to evaluate.



Exactly, Tags is not the be all and end all, just the scape goat in a lot of ways to the wrong that is happening in the NFL. In all fairness, I am very upset with what is happening with the constant rule changes, etc. but know that it has more to do with Fisher, McKay, etc. than Tags.

Glad we agree.


You can't compare him to the other commissioners and say, well, since he is the best of what is out there, than we have nothing to complain about. Just not a valid argument in my opinion. Wolverine was refuting Tags, not the fact that he is not the best commissioner out there.

I don't mean for the argument to imply that because he is the best commissioner out there he should not be fired. Rather, the argument should show that if you fire the best commissioner there is, you run a very, very real risk of getting worse, not better.


No argument from me, and no argument from Wolverine on this note. The NFL is not so much teh question, but the guys running the show. Things have been handled well in comparison to other leagues, but that doesn't refute some of the problems that the league DOES have, in respect to rule changes, etc.

The point is that some of these come from Tags being a pretty GOOD commissioner, which would make firing him ridiculous. Just because we have problems and such as a league doesn't mean we should fire the head guy. Do you think a firing and hiring of someone new would alleviate all problems and make the league perfect? Of course not. Perhaps relieving Tags of his duties would be appropriate if these problems became insurmountable, but right now, these problems are relatively minor and don't constitute his dismissal.



Whether or not a customer knows what is best for him, he is ultimately the customer and his opinion and feelings need to be validated. You should NEVER isolate your customers, or you may find that they no longer frequent your establishment. I am not saying to listen to EVERY crazy notion that a particular fan may have, but there is a growing number of fans that are worrying about the league turning into the No Fun League, and we see it mroe and more every year with the league banning tackles, etc.

The NFL should absolutely cater to their fans, and should always work to make their product what the fans want. But that is a question of product, not leadership. If Tags and his role in the NFL was affecting the selling of tickets, there is a different matter. But to allow a vote, which was the suggestion given by the original post, is ludicrous. You are, by allowing a vote, allowing a mass of UNQUALIFIED individuals to make a decision they are not entitled to.


Would I FIRE Tags, no, but I am concerned with the latest developments with the labor dispute, rule changes, ticket prices being jacked, etc. I think this thread was started as a way of voicing concerns more than a direct target on one man.

We are in agreement until your last statement. I think this thread was started as a way of voicing concerns over one man, not over a multitude of issues. The poster put these issues on the head of one individual, and suggested that he ought to be dismissed for issues he probably doesn't have singular control over. Which is why I called the post "ridiculous."

[TwoDeep3]

No. What a ridiculous question.

[djmajestik]

We are in agreement until your last statement. I think this thread was started as a way of voicing concerns over one man, not over a multitude of issues. The poster put these issues on the head of one individual, and suggested that he ought to be dismissed for issues he probably doesn't have singular control over. Which is why I called the post "ridiculous."

Possibly then I misconstrued what the original intent of the post was. Sometimes people go overboard with their rants so I was trying to read between the lines and get to the underlying root cause of the issue.

But then that is probably me just postulating!

[djmajestik]

HE HE - I postulated.

Sorry, couldn't resist. I spent the good part of the morning trapsing through snow covered roads in PA/NY - NOT a fun morning. But OTOH we have a fresh crop of snow up here in Western New York.

Winicki, don't ya just love this mess!