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CATCH17

11-23-2011, 11:51 AM

Why Cowboys, Kyle Orton could make sense

By Todd ArcherIRVING, Texas -- Sometimes you have to think a little crazy in order to make some wise decisions, so I bring you this: the Cowboys should put a waiver claim in on quarterback Kyle Orton.

Denver surprised many Tuesday by deciding to cut the veteran quarterback now that Tim Tebow has gone 4-1 as the Broncos starter. Any team would have to pick up the remainder of Orton’s base salary, which is about $2.6 million, and possibly pay Denver some salary it had forwarded the quarterback earlier.

It makes sense for the Cowboys for a number of reasons.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4687156/why-cowboys-kyle-orton-could-make-sense

realtick

11-23-2011, 12:02 PM

AbeBeta

11-23-2011, 12:04 PM

Then what? Pay him 2.67MM to block him from Chi? Not sure Jerry would be down

Block him?

Did you notice that Kitna has been out for the last few games?

Orton would be a long term solution at backup for this year and beyond

casmith07

11-23-2011, 12:06 PM

Kyle Orton would be an awesome backup here. You'd literally lose no steps in the offense, at least vertically, if Romo got hurt.

realtick

11-23-2011, 12:07 PM

Block him?

Did you notice that Kitna has been out for the last few games?

Orton would be a long term solution at backup for this year and beyond

I don't think he'd want to be a longterm backup at this point in his career.

realtick

11-23-2011, 12:09 PM

Remembering how Jerry has covered his butt in years past with Steve Beuerlien and Bernie Kosar, I could see Jerry giving this some serious thought.

AbeBeta

11-23-2011, 12:09 PM

I don't think he'd want to be a longterm backup at this point in his career.

He lost his job to Tim Tebow. Long term backup is really the next step there.

The Natural

11-23-2011, 12:09 PM

I don't think he'd want to be a longterm backup at this point in his career.

Someone with common sense in this thread

realtick

11-23-2011, 12:11 PM

He lost his job to Tim Tebow. Long term backup is really the next step there.

Lol, I think we all know the circumstances are quite unique in Denver. No other front office in the league outside of Denver would start Tebow over Orton. Orton is just 29.

GloryDaysRBack

11-23-2011, 12:38 PM

Block him?

Did you notice that Kitna has been out for the last few games?

Orton would be a long term solution at backup for this year and beyond

The OP only indicated making a move to block him, so I responded likewise.

dallasfaniac

11-23-2011, 12:47 PM

I'd bring him in just to keep him away from Chicago, let alone replace Kitna while he's injured and beyond.

Hostile

11-23-2011, 12:50 PM

I am so on board with this idea.

Temo

11-23-2011, 12:53 PM

His salary cap impact is non-negligible. After all, all salary paid to him this year is cap space that won't be able to be rolled over into next year.

Maybe if he was a FA instead of a waiver claim (so you could sign him for the minimum).

Chocolate Lab

11-23-2011, 12:58 PM

The way Garrett talked in the presser, it almost sounded like we are interested.

And I still don't see why Orton is a waiver guy and not a FA. Did this change in the latest CBA?

SDCowboy85

11-23-2011, 12:58 PM

Kyle Orton would be an awesome backup here. You'd literally lose no steps in the offense, at least vertically, if Romo got hurt.
:confused:

CATCH17

11-23-2011, 01:14 PM

:confused:

He's saying you wouldn't have to shorten up the passing game with Kyle Orton as your Quarterback like you do with Kitna.

I actually would like Kyle Orton as a backup. I think he is a starter in this league and can be streaky enough to be a top 15 guy at times.

jobberone

11-23-2011, 01:15 PM

You'd lose something. But not a lot. I just don't think he'll be interested.

BraveHeartFan

11-23-2011, 01:16 PM

I wouldnt mind him as a back up at all. He'd make a good back up for sure.

CATCH17

11-23-2011, 01:22 PM

You'd lose something. But not a lot. I just don't think he'll be interested.

He doesn't have a choice if we claim him off waivers.

Im thinking Detroit will claim him though.

Vinnie2u

11-23-2011, 01:37 PM

I'm all for it but... I think he asked to be cut so he can get a starting gig somewhere else.. He has to audition for a job next year..

Hostile

11-23-2011, 02:44 PM

The way Garrett talked in the presser, it almost sounded like we are interested.Oh you are killing me. The PC won't load on my computer right now beyond the first few minutes.

I would love to hear him confirm or hint at that. I honestly think we should jump at the chance to sign him and bring him in.

burmafrd

11-23-2011, 02:46 PM

sometimes I think Red Ball needs to be a little more short about what he addresses in the pressers.

ufcrules1

11-23-2011, 02:54 PM

Oh you are killing me. The PC won't load on my computer right now beyond the first few minutes.

I would love to hear him confirm or hint at that. I honestly think we should jump at the chance to sign him and bring him in.

Completely agree! There are several teams who want him right now though. I don't see us being able to grab him.. but I certainly want him (No homo).

Future

11-23-2011, 03:13 PM

I don't think he'd want to be a longterm backup at this point in his career.
True. But that doesn't really matter if we claim him.

And I think he has to know/understand that he's going to be either a #2 or a starter only as a stop-gap. Dallas is a great fit for him.

But I don't think he'd be a long-term backup. I really think McGee will be that guy.

Hostile

11-23-2011, 03:15 PM

Completely agree! There are several teams who want him right now though. I don't see us being able to grab him.. but I certainly want him (No homo).The teams mentioned all had better records than our 6-10 last year. If we claim him only 8 teams can take him away from us.

I absolutely put in a claim if I am Jerry and Jason.

burmafrd

11-23-2011, 03:16 PM

The deadline has passed; have not heard anyone has claimed him so far.

Denim Chicken

11-23-2011, 03:16 PM

Kansas City just snagged him

Mr Cowboy

11-23-2011, 03:17 PM

The Chiefs got him according to Schefter.

Hostile

11-23-2011, 03:17 PM

Kansas City just snagged himPer ESPN yes they did.

joseephuss

11-23-2011, 03:18 PM

The teams mentioned all had better records than our 6-10 last year. If we claim him only 8 teams can take him away from us.

I absolutely put in a claim if I am Jerry and Jason.

I thought it was based on this years current record and not last years record.

Cowboys&LakersFan

11-23-2011, 03:19 PM

He's a Chief.

Hostile

11-23-2011, 03:21 PM

I thought it was based on this years current record and not last years record.
You are 100% right and I misspoke. Thanks for the clarification.

Eddie

11-23-2011, 03:24 PM

Hell yeah. Let's do it.

It's not my money. $3 mil for half a season ain't bad.

Heisenberg

11-23-2011, 03:30 PM

He's a Chief.

That's definitely better than the Bears getting him.

Gooch

11-23-2011, 03:32 PM

Looks like we put a claim on him also.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19400685

Deep_Freeze

11-23-2011, 03:33 PM

ESPN just said we did put in a waiver request for him, but the Chiefs got him first due to their worse record.

Guess QB is higher on our priorities than some think, as it should always be.

Of course it could have been a block on the Bears getting him.

Probably some of both.

Hostile

11-23-2011, 03:36 PM

Looks like we put a claim on him also.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19400685Well, now I hate the Chiefs.

Totally agree with the move by the Cowboys.

Thanks for posting that.

Hoods

11-23-2011, 03:38 PM

Guess QB is higher on our priorities than some think, as it should always be.

Back-up QB, yes. Kitna is injured.

EPL0c0

11-23-2011, 03:42 PM

Is Kitna's back injury that bad that they'd consider bringing in another vet. QB?

Cowboys&LakersFan

11-23-2011, 03:44 PM

Love the fact that we put out a claim. With all the quarterback injuries this year you never know when your QB can get hurt. You need to have a guy who can come in and do a solid job. Orton can do that. He's not Romo or anywhere near his level, but he's a solid starting quarterback. He will be a free agent so I definitely expect us to try to sign him in the offseason. Hypothetically if Orton were to become a Cowboy he'd be the best backup QB in the league IMO.

Also keeping him away from Chicago is a big + considering we're fighting them for playoff positioning. Although it won't matter if we win our division which I fully expect us too.

Hostile

11-23-2011, 03:44 PM

Is Kitna's back injury that bad that they'd consider bringing in another vet. QB?Yes, but also we keep him away from the Bears who we are competing against for playoff positioning.

There was no downside to claiming him.

kmd24

11-23-2011, 03:45 PM

Looks like we put a claim on him also.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19400685

That's a funny comment in the article about Orton giving away secrets to the Tebow-led Denver offense.

Orton: Tebow's going to run it in this spot.
Haley: Thanks, Captain Obvious!

MichaelWinicki

11-23-2011, 03:46 PM

Even though he's not headed to Dallas I'm pleased the Cowboys put in a claim.

Hostile

11-23-2011, 03:51 PM

Even though he's not headed to Dallas I'm pleased the Cowboys put in a claim.Me too. I hate the Chiefs now. They are in my doghouse.

MichaelWinicki

11-23-2011, 04:01 PM

Me too. I hate the Chiefs now. They are in my doghouse.

Yeah, I wish he were Dallas bound. I think he would be a good fit. But anyhow he's a FA after the season anyway.

And he's not going to Chicago. ;)

Doomsday

11-23-2011, 04:04 PM

Even though he's not headed to Dallas I'm pleased the Cowboys put in a claim.

I agree, he would of been the perfect back up to Romo.

I just wonder what this says about McGee. I cant imagine they are sold on him becoming the #2 guy if they are willing to spend $2.5 million on Kitna.

MichaelWinicki

11-23-2011, 04:08 PM

I agree, he would of been the perfect back up to Romo.

I just wonder what this says about McGee. I cant imagine they are sold on him becoming the #2 guy if they are willing to spend $2.5 million on Kitna.

Given Kitna's or even Orton's body of work as compared to McGee's I can see the "why" of pursuing a more experienced backup if Kitna's back is that bad.

Doesn't mean McGee couldn't be the #2 at some point, but he's not in Kitna's or Orton's class as of right now.

Red Dragon

11-23-2011, 04:11 PM

Whew! Thankfully not going to Chicago!

jimnabby

11-23-2011, 04:17 PM

Is Kitna's back injury that bad that they'd consider bringing in another vet. QB?1. Kitna is hurt, so a short-term plug-in isn't such a bad idea.
2. Whether we get him or not, a claim ensures that Chicago doesn't get him, which non-trivially improves our playoff chances this year.
3. We're very likely going to be in the market for a backup QB, and having Orton in the fold could help our chances of signing him down the road.
4. On the other hand, it doesn't lock us into anything and the cap hit isn't severe. Good opportunity to kick the tires, and maybe you end up with a draft pick.

Claiming him seems like a really good move to me. It also tells me that Garrett thinks we can make some noise this year.

Smart move, even though we didn't get him.

Go Big D!

11-23-2011, 04:20 PM

What did Kitna do to jack up his back so bad? Was it during the 49ers game? Or practice?
And when can we count on him as a viable backup again?

Doomsday

11-23-2011, 04:23 PM

What did Kitna do to jack up his back so bad? Was it during the 49ers game? Or practice?
And when can we count on him as a viable backup again?

I think he hurt it in preseason and it has been bothering him ever since. Probably just old age catching up with him.

StevenOtero

11-23-2011, 04:24 PM

Don't forget....Dallas wasn't just looking for a backup QB. They were looking to block Chicago from claiming him.

tecolote

11-23-2011, 04:27 PM

I wonder what would've happened if we'd gotten Orton. Would we put Kitna on IR or release Mcgee. I don't think we would have carried 4 QBs.

burmafrd

11-23-2011, 04:27 PM

Sounds like everyone put in a claim in the last hour from rumors circulating.

Red Dragon

11-23-2011, 04:28 PM

I wonder what would've happened if we'd gotten Orton. Would we put Kitna on IR or release Mcgee. I don't think we would have carried 4 QBs.

We might have flat-out released Kitna. That could have made sense.

Doomsday

11-23-2011, 04:31 PM

Don't forget....Dallas wasn't just looking for a backup QB. They were looking to block Chicago from claiming him.

I dont know about that. I doubt they are going to spend $2.5 million to block the Bears. That was probably just an added bonus. Orton isnt a stud but he doesnt turn the ball over much and is pretty accurate, he would of been the perfect replacement for Kitna.

fortdick

11-23-2011, 04:35 PM

I think he hurt it in preseason and it has been bothering him ever since. Probably just old age catching up with him.

Actually, he hurt it last year trying to carry Wade.

Aikbach

11-23-2011, 04:36 PM

Must not be much confidence in McGee if a roster with Kitna still made a move for a released Orton.

jswalker1981

11-23-2011, 04:37 PM

Red Dragon

11-23-2011, 04:39 PM

Must not be much confidence in McGee if a roster with Kitna still made a move for a released Orton.

Well, again, I would have expected the Cowboys to keep Orton and McGee and release Kitna.

It would make much more sense than releasing McGee and continuing to keep a 38-year old Kitna.

Red Dragon

11-23-2011, 04:39 PM

I'm wondering when some fans (not particularly saying fans on this board) will jump all over Jerry for not getting Orton even though the Chiefs had a higher waiver position. I'm sure at least a handful of idiot fans will blame Jerry for not getting Orton.

Jerry can never do anything right.

JonJon

11-23-2011, 04:41 PM

Doggone sorry Chiefs. If they didn't put in a claim, we would have gotten him.:mad:

:chiefs:

JonJon

11-23-2011, 04:43 PM

Must not be much confidence in McGee if a roster with Kitna still made a move for a released Orton.

It says to me that we are gearing up for a playoff run. I don't think that McGee or Kitna are good enough to get it done in the playoffs if Romo goes down, but Orton could.

Doomsday

11-23-2011, 04:52 PM

Actually, he hurt it last year trying to carry Wade.

:lmao: Well played sir

Robbieac

11-23-2011, 04:55 PM

A good GM would have snagged him...

And Jerry didn't....

Just sayin....

/realist

CoCo

11-23-2011, 05:19 PM

It says to me that we are gearing up for a playoff run. I don't think that McGee or Kitna are good enough to get it done in the playoffs if Romo goes down, but Orton could.

And you needed this move to reach that conclusion?

2233boys

11-23-2011, 05:20 PM

At least the Cowboys put a claim in on him. Positive step. Teh Jerrah still sucks.

2233boys

11-23-2011, 05:22 PM

Hoofbite

11-23-2011, 05:38 PM

Someone fill me in. Why did he have to clear waivers?

I thought vets with a certain amount of time under their belt were able to go anywhere they wanted?

hra8700

11-23-2011, 05:41 PM

Why didn't the bears offer a 7th for him?

Cowboys&LakersFan

11-23-2011, 05:44 PM

At least the Cowboys put a claim in on him. Positive step. Teh Jerrah still sucks.

Yeah that's why he drafted five great young players in the last two years. :rolleyes:

Temo

11-23-2011, 05:46 PM

Someone fill me in. Why did he have to clear waivers?

I thought vets with a certain amount of time under their belt were able to go anywhere they wanted?

Only after the current season.

Deep_Freeze

11-23-2011, 06:03 PM

Why didn't the bears offer a 7th for him?

Good question, don't know why the Bears wouldn't have done that.

I would have liked to have Orton to backup Romo, although I really don't think Orton would've been happy here at all doing that. No better than being in Denver, and he doesn't get to up his stock for his free agency this offseason. Course he wouldn't have had a choice, so doesn't matter I guess.

At least he didn't go to the Bears, and that helps us. We still need to be hunting for a backup though, someone we can develop at the QB position.

M'Kevon

11-23-2011, 06:07 PM

Why didn't the bears offer a 7th for him?

Because the NFL is well past the trading deadline.

ZeroClub

11-23-2011, 06:11 PM

Glad to see that the Cowboys issued a claim.

dallasfaniac

11-23-2011, 06:15 PM

This is a great move by the Chiefs. They could go from last to first in that division, lol.

Deep_Freeze

11-23-2011, 06:16 PM

Because the NFL is well past the trading deadline.

Guess I should've remembered that...;)

Still think we need to be active in developing and finding a backup for Romo either by free agency or the draft.

SDCowboy85

11-23-2011, 06:24 PM

Can someone fill me in why people wanted a new backup so bad here? What's wrong with the ones we have? Orton wants to be a starter anyway.

Cowboys&LakersFan

11-23-2011, 06:24 PM

This is a great move by the Chiefs. They could go from last to first in that division, lol.

Not with their schedule.

dallasfaniac

11-23-2011, 06:34 PM

Not with their schedule.

The Chiefs are two games back from the 1st place Raiders, have beat them once already and play them week 15. Oakland's schedule isn't easy either.

Denver just cannot keep winning by completing less than 10 passes.

San Diego has the easiest schedule but keep finding ways to lose.

Bill Wooten

11-23-2011, 06:55 PM

Can you imagine the threads on this board when Romo had a less than stellar game. I'm having flashbacks of the Quincy/Hutchinson/Henson threads. Only difference is Romo and Orton are capable of playing in the NFL.

hra8700

11-23-2011, 07:40 PM

Because the NFL is well past the trading deadline.

haha, duh. brain fart.

2233boys

11-23-2011, 07:55 PM

Yeah that's why he drafted five great young players in the last two years. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Hostile

11-23-2011, 07:57 PM

Can someone fill me in why people wanted a new backup so bad here? What's wrong with the ones we have? Orton wants to be a starter anyway.So what you are saying is, you'd be fine with the Bears at 7-3 having another good option at QB to face us in the playoffs?

Come on man.

2233boys

11-23-2011, 07:59 PM

So what you are saying is, you'd be fine with the Bears at 7-3 having another good option at QB to face us in the playoffs?

Come on man.

If the put a claim in on him just to block the Bears, I don't think I like that. If they did it because they felt it helped the team I am all for that.

JonJon

11-23-2011, 08:03 PM

And you needed this move to reach that conclusion?

No, but thanks for asking.

JonJon

11-23-2011, 08:04 PM

If the put a claim in on him just to block the Bears, I don't think I like that. If they did it because they felt it helped the team I am all for that.

Why not have the best of both worlds?

Cowboys&LakersFan

11-23-2011, 08:08 PM

Can someone fill me in why people wanted a new backup so bad here? What's wrong with the ones we have? Orton wants to be a starter anyway.

Kitna is done and McGee isn't a starting caliber quarterback right now. He could be down the road, but not right now.

casmith07

11-23-2011, 08:09 PM

If the put a claim in on him just to block the Bears, I don't think I like that. If they did it because they felt it helped the team I am all for that.

Blocking the Bears isn't helping the team?

Really? No, wait, really?

mldardy

11-23-2011, 08:25 PM

Kitna is done and McGee isn't a starting caliber quarterback right now. He could be down the road, but not right now.
What backup qb is starting caliber. Any team that loses their starter is going to have a dropoff and in some cases very significant. I think if Romo were out a game or two McGee could win a game or two at qb.

Aikbach

11-23-2011, 08:28 PM

What backup qb is starting caliber. Any team that loses their starter is going to have a dropoff and in some cases very significant. I think if Romo were out a game or two McGee could win a game or two at qb.He, people used to be able to stick Danny White and Steve Young on the bench, but alas no more.

2233boys

11-23-2011, 08:35 PM

Blocking the Bears isn't helping the team?

Really? No, wait, really?

I think it is a dumb idea. If you think you can use him, by all means claim him. You are a Jerrah mark so no matter what you would love the move.

Random Fan "hey the Bears are going to go after Choice and thinking of calling Sundusky to help on Defence."

Casmith "oh I hope Teh Jerrah signs them first."

:rolleyes:

CATCH17

11-23-2011, 08:38 PM

Come on guys.. Kitna is getting hurt and he isn't even playing.

The writing is on the wall with him and this would've been a good move for us.

2233boys

11-23-2011, 08:43 PM

Come on guys.. Kitna is getting hurt and he isn't even playing.

The writing is on the wall with him and this would've been a good move for us.

I think most Agree

mldardy

11-23-2011, 08:52 PM

He, people used to be able to stick Danny White and Steve Young on the bench, but alas no more.
Yeah those days are over. The best backup in the league is probably Flynn from Green Bay or Kitna if healthy.

BigWillie

11-23-2011, 09:04 PM

I think it is a dumb idea. If you think you can use him, by all means claim him. You are a Jerrah mark so no matter what you would love the move.

Random Fan "hey the Bears are going to go after Choice and thinking of calling Sundusky to help on Defence."

Casmith "oh I hope Teh Jerrah signs them first."

:rolleyes:

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/michael_scott/Michael-What-the-office-10400786-400-226.gif

hra8700

11-23-2011, 09:09 PM

I guess Stephen McGee did not develop very well.

Oh well...

SDCowboy85

11-23-2011, 09:10 PM

Come on guys.. Kitna is getting hurt and he isn't even playing.

The writing is on the wall with him and this would've been a good move for us.
No it wouldn't seeing as how he wants to be a starter and is good enough to be one on some teams. Picking him up would only be good till the end of the season anyway.

Mr Cowboy

11-23-2011, 09:49 PM

Kitna must be a real concern.

By Todd Archer
The Dallas Cowboys were one of three teams to put in a waiver claim on quarterback Kyle Orton on Wednesday, according to a source, but they lost out to the Kansas City Chiefs.

The Chiefs were awarded Orton, who was cut Tuesday by the Denver Broncos, because of their 4-6 record. At 6-4, the Cowboys would have been awarded Orton ahead of the 7-3 Chicago Bears.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4687233/source-cowboys-had-put-in-claim-for-kyle-orton

Cowboys&LakersFan

11-23-2011, 09:57 PM

Yeah it's pretty much common perception that Jon is done. He had a great year last year well great for a guy who is nearing the end, but father time has caught up with him. Hypothetically if Romo went down for the year like he did last season do the Cowboys have a quarterback behind him who can immediately step in and do a solid job? No they don't. McGee may be that guy one day, but there's no way in hell he's ready to be a starting quarterback. I fully expect us to attempt to sign Orton in the offseason if not another veteran quarterback.

StevenOtero

11-23-2011, 10:03 PM

Hostile

11-24-2011, 05:47 AM

If the put a claim in on him just to block the Bears, I don't think I like that. If they did it because they felt it helped the team I am all for that.You see that as an either/or situation? Judas Priest.

Hostile

11-24-2011, 05:48 AM

http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/michael_scott/Michael-What-the-office-10400786-400-226.gif (http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/images/GifGuide/michael_scott/Michael-What-the-office-10400786-400-226.gif)Perfect response to his blather.

Outlaw Heroes

11-24-2011, 07:29 AM

You see that as an either/or situation? Judas Priest.

I'm not sure you're being fair to him, Hos. I think his argument is that the entire decision should be based upon whether you think the guy can help you as a player. If you think the guy can improve the backup QB position, fine. But I gather that 2233 questions the wisdom of making the claim just to keep him away from the Bears.

And I'm inclined to agree with him. Orton would not come cheap, and I believe that he would be eating into cap space that could be rolled forward into next year (when I think we'll need it). In general, I'm only prepared to pay that price if I think he improves the team. I'm not prepared to pay it to keep him away from the Bears. Sounds to me like 2233 is in the same boat.

If you take that view, then the fact that you can keep him away from the Bears is really irrelevant in making the decision. At best, it's gravy.

CCBoy

11-24-2011, 07:42 AM

I'm not sure you're being fair to him, Hos. I think his argument is that the entire decision should be based upon whether you think the guy can help you as a player. If you think the guy can improve the backup QB position, fine. But I gather that 2233 questions the wisdom of making the claim just to keep him away from the Bears.

And I'm inclined to agree with him. Orton would not come cheap, and I believe that he would be eating into cap space that could be rolled forward into next year (when I think we'll need it). In general, I'm only prepared to pay that price if I think he improves the team. I'm not prepared to pay it to keep him away from the Bears. Sounds to me like 2233 is in the same boat.

If you take that view, then the fact that you can keep him away from the Bears is really irrelevant in making the decision. At best, it's gravy.

In the Bear scenario, they probably don't project nearly as strongly without the leadership of Cutler anyway.

And the actual analysis of this attempt, could be that McGee really isn't a realistic alternative beyond this season as well.

Outlaw Heroes

11-24-2011, 08:03 AM

In the Bear scenario, they probably don't project nearly as strongly without the leadership of Cutler anyway.

Interesting. You don't think Orton could provide the same kind of leadership?

And the actual analysis of this attempt, could be that McGee really isn't a realistic alternative beyond this season as well.

Also interesting. Do you suppose that McGee would have been cut to make room for Orton? I would have thought he was a replacement for Kitna.

Cowboys&LakersFan

11-24-2011, 08:04 AM

In the Bear scenario, they probably don't project nearly as strongly without the leadership of Cutler anyway.

And the actual analysis of this attempt, could be that McGee really isn't a realistic alternative beyond this season as well.

Since when has Jay Cutler been a leader? Quitting in the NFC Title Game really showed great leadership. :lmao:

rocyaice

11-24-2011, 10:10 AM

Since when has Jay Cutler been a leader? Quitting in the NFC Title Game really showed great leadership. :lmao:

Playing with diabetes is tough as hell though. I would think that would overshadow any time he's ever "quit" on his team though I don't believe he quit in that game.

Galian Beast

11-24-2011, 10:23 AM

I would have been nice to have him as a backup if Kitna can't go. That being said, the goal here was to not let him go to Chicago and help them.

If find ourselves in the playoffs there are two scenarios that blocking this allows you to do.

A)Possibly prevent Chicago from even making the playoffs
B)If you play Chicago in the playoffs instead of facing Orton you face Caine (sp)?

Hostile

11-24-2011, 10:24 AM

I'm not sure you're being fair to him, Hos. I think his argument is that the entire decision should be based upon whether you think the guy can help you as a player. If you think the guy can improve the backup QB position, fine. But I gather that 2233 questions the wisdom of making the claim just to keep him away from the Bears.

And I'm inclined to agree with him. Orton would not come cheap, and I believe that he would be eating into cap space that could be rolled forward into next year (when I think we'll need it). In general, I'm only prepared to pay that price if I think he improves the team. I'm not prepared to pay it to keep him away from the Bears. Sounds to me like 2233 is in the same boat.

If you take that view, then the fact that you can keep him away from the Bears is really irrelevant in making the decision. At best, it's gravy.If I am not fair to him, he has earned it.

This is chess. I am going to take the other quy's strongest pieces every time I can. If I improve my depth in doing so it is a dual win.

Him going to Chicago was bad for us. Him coming here would have been good for us. Especially given Kitna's bad back and advanced age. Orton is a UFA at the end of this year and I honestly hope we go after him as a backup.

There was nothing questionable about the decision as far as I am concerned, not even if it was just to keep him away from Chicago this year.

2233boys

11-24-2011, 10:24 AM

You see that as an either/or situation? Judas Priest.
I think one is sound decision to aid the franchise. I think the other is a fanboys' response.

Perfect response to his blather.

You would know blather cosidering some of your posts.
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Hostile

11-24-2011, 10:26 AM

I think one is sound decision to aid the franchise. I think the other is a fanboys' response.The first two words of each sentence scream volumes and you don't even know it. As does the dichotomy of the sentences themselves.

2233boys

11-24-2011, 10:31 AM

The first two words of each sentence scream volumes and you don't even know it. As does the dichotomy of the sentences themselves.

You are a sad soul. How many dogs did you rescue today?

To get back on topic, I feel sorry for you I really do. In your attempt to bash me, you fail to recognize that I agreed that Dallas should have put in a claim on Orton if they were doing so to get a solid back up. If you are doing it to Block him from the Bears that is a fanboys response. It wouldn't surprise me if that was our GM's position, it certainly seems to be the prevailing opinion of Fanboy Nations. It really isn't a sound way to run a football team, in my opinion.