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Hostile
11-26-2011, 12:02 PM
Adding a Comp pick in the 6th for Stephen Bowen.

As always feel free to rip what you don't like.

1st round...Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska, 5'10", 205. He is very physical on the outside. Likes tackling. I find that highly important. Read somewhere that he asks his coaches to put him on the other team's big time WRs. I love that. I am convinced we have to fix this secondary.

2nd round...Markelle Martin, FS, Oklahoma State, 6'1", 198. Has a nose for the football and gets to it to break up passes. If he gets his hands on it is a threat to take it back. Has good closing speed. Solid tackler.

3rd round...Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia, 5'10", 185. Is a top Return man in addition to his CB skills. I want a dedicated return player. I also want to send a message to the secondary. The soft play is not going to fly.

4th round...Nick Foles, QB, Arizona, 6'5", 240. Has the potential to be a starter in the NFL. Is accurate. Very smart and possesses a big arm. Plays almost exclusively in a shotgun so will have to be an early project. Is well worth the risk.

5th round...Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU, 6'4", 305. Had him in my last mock and it felt right. Is a RT in the NFL. Good depth. Could push Doug Free if Smith and he ever change sides. Is versatile and can also play Guard.

6th round...Juron Criner, WR, Arizona, 6'4", 215. I do not understand at all why this kid is rated so low. He is a steal in the 6th round.

Comp pick, 6th round...Rhett Ellison, TE, USC, 6'5", 250. I am convinced we are looking at TE depth again. This kid can play.

7th round...Joe Halahuni, FB, Oregon State, 6'2", 255. The illness of Fiammetta has me looking FB in the Draft again.

Let me know what you think.

rockj7
11-26-2011, 12:17 PM
Can we strike gold with drafting a injured player I was thinking the DE from Nebraska who tore his peck, also Hos with the controversy of Suh will Vontez drop in the draft seeing that Vontez has been given a dirty player stigma (earned or unearned) ?

Zaxor
11-26-2011, 12:49 PM
I like the fact you went Defense and went secondary but I would have liked it more if you went defense with all those picks

it has got to get fixed some how

cbow44
11-26-2011, 01:31 PM
LOL, you stole my first 2 picks!! I'm also thinking you might could add Ray Ray in about the 4th now and get an o-line prospect in the 3rd.

The Realist
11-26-2011, 01:37 PM
Seems like the scouts have spent a lot of time on the road looking at interior OL options that will go early.

Why no help there?


I'd love to take the 2 CB's and go OG in 2 (Barret Jones this year's Unger).

drawnstripes
11-26-2011, 02:36 PM
Seems like the scouts have spent a lot of time on the road looking at interior OL options that will go early.

Why no help there?


I'd love to take the 2 CB's and go OG in 2 (Barret Jones this year's Unger).


do you think Barret will come out - I don't when next year he will be at the top of heap

and no ISL help ?????????

windward
11-26-2011, 03:27 PM
Would like an interior guy in the first few rounds, although I can't really complain if we acquired any of the first four guys.

drawnstripes
11-26-2011, 04:00 PM
he will go early

Juron Criner, WR, Arizona
Height: 6-4. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.58.
Projected Round (2012): 2.

11/4/11: An appendectomy kept him out against Oklahoma State, and Arizona really missed him. Thus far in 2011, Criner has caught 47 passes for 559 yards and eight touchdowns in seven games. He has been consistent for his quarterback. Criner excels at jump balls downfield. He looks like a potential possession receiver in the NFL who could be a good red-zone weapon.

8/19/11: After considering going pro, Juron Criner decided to return for his senior season with the Wildcats. It was probably a good decision as some personal issues had some wondering if he would play in the 2011 season. Criner showed up for camp on time and allegedly was dealing with a family illness. Last season, he had a massive year for Arizona. Criner caught 82 passes for 1,233 yards and 11 touchdowns. He repeatedly bailed out quarterback Nick Foles on deep passes that were tossed up for grabs. Criner uses his size, body control, and leaping ability to come down with some big catches. There are faster receivers than Criner, but he provides good hands with a big target and still runs well.

The Realist
11-26-2011, 06:23 PM
do you think Barret will come out - I don't when next year he will be at the top of heap

and no ISL help ?????????

We already drafted our ILB's.

Need some depth later.

Rynie
11-26-2011, 08:03 PM
I've always liked Dennard, Hos. Nebraska is about the only college football I watch. Great player.

Hostile
11-26-2011, 08:05 PM
Today I got to see Nick Foles surpass 10,000 yards on his UA career, and I saw Juron Criner add 2 more TDs for 32 on his career and a new UA record for receiving TDs.

Oh, and I got to boo the introduction of Rich Rodriguez.

dasander
11-26-2011, 10:07 PM
I like your mock! After the Miami game I feel that the secondary will be our number one need that needs to be addressed in the offseason. I also feel like we NEED to draft a another quarterback to develop since Kitna leaves after this season. Only wish we could find a center somewhere, but you can't fix everything in one draft.

Is Markelle Martin the number 1 rated senior safety this year?

jblaze2004
11-26-2011, 10:29 PM
we need guys that can cover at cb, safety and ILB (one of the main weaknesses on our defense).

BAT
11-27-2011, 01:30 AM
I like your mock! After the Miami game I feel that the secondary will be our number one need that needs to be addressed in the offseason. I also feel like we NEED to draft a another quarterback to develop since Kitna leaves after this season. Only wish we could find a center somewhere, but you can't fix everything in one draft.

Is Markelle Martin the number 1 rated senior safety this year?

BAMA's Barron I believe.

BrAinPaiNt
11-27-2011, 06:45 AM
I take it you think the team will thinks that a year in the weight program and a full camp will benefit our young OGs we drafted last year and therefore go with the secondary in the draft.

I like the idea of going with the secondary in the draft. Newman is a ? as far as keeping him vs salary. Jenkins is oft injured. Ball should be gone. Then you have the idea of our starting safeties being on one year deals.

Arkin and Nagy might do well with a full offseason in the weight program and a full camp.

However I do hope we take a shot at a good center in the draft.

This is way too early for me to be talking draft. :D

Risen Star
11-27-2011, 07:35 AM
I'm all about BPA in the draft but I would hate, Hate, HATE using our first three picks on the secondary.

This team's not good enough in the trenches yet.

silverbear
11-27-2011, 07:45 AM
I'm all about BPA in the draft but I would hate, Hate, HATE using our first three picks on the secondary.

So, I'm not the only one having nightmarish flashbacks to Gale Goodrich, Mario Edwards and Kareem Larrimore... :D

This team's not good enough in the trenches yet.

Yeah, I want to assign some priority to continuing to rebuild the offensive line... if you want to make your defense better, build an offense that controls the ball, keeps the opposing offenses off of the field...

To me, the secret to the Cowboys' success in the Jimmy Johnson glory days was perhaps the best offensive line in NFL history...

Risen Star
11-27-2011, 08:00 AM
So, I'm not the only one having nightmarish flashbacks to Gale Goodrich, Mario Edwards and Kareem Larrimore... :D



Yeah, I want to assign some priority to continuing to rebuild the offensive line... if you want to make your defense better, build an offense that controls the ball, keeps the opposing offenses off of the field...

To me, the secret to the Cowboys' success in the Jimmy Johnson glory days was perhaps the best offensive line in NFL history...

No question about it that as we continue to improve the offensive line our defense will benefit from it.

I don't want to say I'd be completely against three straight DB picks. Maybe that'll be the BPA each time we're up. But if this did play out, I'd be worried about our OL and even our DL.

casmith07
11-27-2011, 08:49 AM
Love the Markelle Martin pick. Hate not addressing the interior of the OL.

Hailmary
11-27-2011, 09:45 AM
I like the Markelle Martin pick, but I think we should see if we can get Deunta Williams in as FA and use that pick on an interior olineman. Jerry should call up Butch and have him campaign for us...

I could live w/ the 1st rd cb pick, but again, I think I'd rather pick up a stud center. I realize our secondary could use some help, but I think the biggest help to our defense is to solidify our running game so we can keep the d off the field.

xwalker
11-27-2011, 11:05 AM
1st round...Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska, 5'10", 205. He is very physical on the outside. Likes tackling. I find that highly important. Read somewhere that he asks his coaches to put him on the other team's big time WRs. I love that. I am convinced we have to fix this secondary.
Depends on where the Boys are drafting. At #28, I love this pick but at #18 I don't like it (Can get DeCastro with #18 even if small trade up is required).
I think Dennard is the 3rd best CB in the draft.

2nd round...Markelle Martin, FS, Oklahoma State, 6'1", 198. Has a nose for the football and gets to it to break up passes. If he gets his hands on it is a threat to take it back. Has good closing speed. Solid tackler.
Excellent value late in the 2nd.

3rd round...Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia, 5'10", 185. Is a top Return man in addition to his CB skills. I want a dedicated return player. I also want to send a message to the secondary. The soft play is not going to fly.
It would be ideal to have a returner that can contribute at a position but would not be the #1 or #2 at that position.

4th round...Nick Foles, QB, Arizona, 6'5", 240. Has the potential to be a starter in the NFL. Is accurate. Very smart and possesses a big arm. Plays almost exclusively in a shotgun so will have to be an early project. Is well worth the risk.
Seems like the perfect developmental QB. Boys will need a #3 QB in 2012 because McGee is either good enough to be #2 or never will be.

5th round...Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU, 6'4", 305. Had him in my last mock and it felt right. Is a RT in the NFL. Good depth. Could push Doug Free if Smith and he ever change sides. Is versatile and can also play Guard.
Can probably develop into a decent backup RT/OG but upside appears very limited. Older than average draft pick.

6th round...Juron Criner, WR, Arizona, 6'4", 215. I do not understand at all why this kid is rated so low. He is a steal in the 6th round.
I like this player better than your 5th rounder.

Comp pick, 6th round...Rhett Ellison, TE, USC, 6'5", 250. I am convinced we are looking at TE depth again. This kid can play.
Definitely expect to need 3rd TE.

7th round...Joe Halahuni, FB, Oregon State, 6'2", 255. The illness of Fiammetta has me looking FB in the Draft again.
If Fiammetta can't play, then the Boys need to get the best FB in the draft even if that requires a 4th round pick.

realtick
11-27-2011, 11:41 AM
Markelle Martin "has a nose for the ball?"

Funny, he's got just three interceptions in four years at OSU, and they all came in 2010.

Folks have been expecting a lot of Martin because he looks the part and seemed to be on the rise after putting himself on the radar after last season, which I'm guessing is what a lot of folks are basing their opinion on him from. He's been a bit of a disappointment this season for OSU.

Depending on how poor/well he tests out at the combine, I could see him going anywhere from 2nd to 4th round.

If you want to look for proven talent at the safety position, I'd look for Mark Barron sometime during the second day of the Draft.

MichaelWinicki
11-27-2011, 11:57 AM
I like it Hos.

Pretty solid. And yes, the secondary has to be addressed.

realtick
11-27-2011, 12:11 PM
If I'm going for a cornerback in the 1st round, there's no way I want a short, squaty, stiff-hipped corner like Alfonzo Dennard taken there.

You take a corner in the 1st round with the hopes that he can develop into one of your team's starting two corners. I don't see that future at all with Dennard. I don't think he'll time out well at the combine either.

Last year the popular scuttle-butt was "Prince Amukumra may not even be the best corner on his team" inferring that Dennard may be better. Lol, it's not true, and I'm not saying that as if I was a big Amukumura fan. Prince is much more fluid and sound technique wise than Dennard. Dennard is stiff and not a fluid athlete. It doesn't mean he sucks or will be a bust, but I really see him as more of a nickel/dime corner. I think he projects favorably to Joselio Hanson of the Eagles.

Hypothetically, all things being equal, if we go corner in the 1st round and assuming we have no shot a Morris Claiborne, I'm going with Dre' Kirkpatrick > Dennard anyday of the week.

Kirkpatrick has a huge ceiling, physical attributes, and makeup to be a future starter. What I like most about Kirpatrick is the fact he's a willing tackler and consistently looks to contribute in the run game.

Bigdog
11-27-2011, 12:11 PM
I would rather address the interior OL (center or guard) early. This is a qb league and if we don't protect Romo then we are done. Look at all the QB's that have gone down and their playoff hopes rest with a backup. Either that or we have a good backup who can come in and win games. I'll go with the interior OL first. There are a lot of good CB's coming out this year.

Hailmary
11-27-2011, 12:45 PM
If I'm going for a cornerback in the 1st round, there's no way I want a short, squaty, stiff-hipped corner like Alfonzo Dennard taken there.

You take a corner in the 1st round with the hopes that he can develop into one of your team's starting two corners. I don't see that future at all with Dennard. I don't think he'll time out well at the combine either.

Last year the popular scuttle-butt was "Prince Amukumra may not even be the best corner on his team" inferring that Dennard may be better. Lol, it's not true, and I'm not saying that as if I was a big Amukumura fan. Prince is much more fluid and sound technique wise than Dennard. Dennard is stiff and not a fluid athlete. It doesn't mean he sucks or will be a bust, but I really see him as more of a nickel/dime corner. I think he projects favorably to Joselio Hanson of the Eagles.

Hypothetically, all things being equal, if we go corner in the 1st round and assuming we have no shot a Morris Claiborne, I'm going with Dre' Kirkpatrick > Dennard anyday of the week.

Kirkpatrick has a huge ceiling, physical attributes, and makeup to be a future starter. What I like most about Kirpatrick is the fact he's a willing tackler and consistently looks to contribute in the run game.

Yea, but Kirpatrick's potentially a top 10 pick. No way we have a shot at him.

I'd rather bypass cb in the first round and address the line instead. Cliff Harris could probably be had in the 2nd cause he's a bit of a punk. Also xavier rhodes from fsu is tall/fast w/ a high ceiling. If you want to gamble, janoris jenkins could probably be had in the 3rd.

realtick
11-27-2011, 04:22 PM
Yea, but Kirpatrick's potentially a top 10 pick. No way we have a shot at him.

I'd rather bypass cb in the first round and address the line instead. Cliff Harris could probably be had in the 2nd cause he's a bit of a punk. Also xavier rhodes from fsu is tall/fast w/ a high ceiling. If you want to gamble, janoris jenkins could probably be had in the 3rd.

Kirpatrick was projected to go high which doesnt mean much. Every year players vanish altogether from the 1st round from where they were "projected" by websites/gurus. I don't see Dre' as a Top 10 player; he's had a good but tremendous year. There is some rawness to his game that needs developing. Having said that, he has great athleticism for a player his size; think Sean Smith or Jimmy Smith (1st rounder - 2011 Draft) except the kid likes to hit.

I like some of the names you mentioned too. One way or the other, no way on Dennard in the 1st.

RS12
11-27-2011, 05:48 PM
[B]
I am convinced we have to fix this secondary.
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I am convinced the best way to do that is fix the front 7. Not that I wouldnt mind a few DBs.

VACowboy
11-27-2011, 06:31 PM
If I'm going for a cornerback in the 1st round, there's no way I want a short, squaty, stiff-hipped corner like Alfonzo Dennard taken there.

You take a corner in the 1st round with the hopes that he can develop into one of your team's starting two corners. I don't see that future at all with Dennard. I don't think he'll time out well at the combine either.

Last year the popular scuttle-butt was "Prince Amukumra may not even be the best corner on his team" inferring that Dennard may be better. Lol, it's not true, and I'm not saying that as if I was a big Amukumura fan. Prince is much more fluid and sound technique wise than Dennard. Dennard is stiff and not a fluid athlete. It doesn't mean he sucks or will be a bust, but I really see him as more of a nickel/dime corner. I think he projects favorably to Joselio Hanson of the Eagles.

Hypothetically, all things being equal, if we go corner in the 1st round and assuming we have no shot a Morris Claiborne, I'm going with Dre' Kirkpatrick > Dennard anyday of the week.

Kirkpatrick has a huge ceiling, physical attributes, and makeup to be a future starter. What I like most about Kirpatrick is the fact he's a willing tackler and consistently looks to contribute in the run game.

Kirkpatrick isn't exactly a fluid cover guy. :D

He does remind me some of Charles Woodson, though, big, physical corner who plays like a linebacker.

I can't say I dislike the players in this draft, but I think it's much more important that we fix this team up front. I don't think any personnel addition will improve the Cowboys more than a high quality center. I'm not sure what the deal is with Konz and his pulmonary embolism, but if he's healthy, he's my pick in round one. Otherwise, I'm aiming for Brewster with a trade down or something. The ideal scenario would be to draft a C high and sign a good, young guard in FA. I think we have one young starting quality guard on the roster: Smith, Grubbs, Konz, Arkin, Free. That sounds good to me.

I'm telling you, Matt Daniels is gonna make some team look really smart. Nobody watches Duke football, including Duke fans, so he's a complete unknown to 99% of football fans. But he plays all over the field every single play. He led the Blue Devils with 126 tackles in 12 games, 2 INTs and 14 PBU. He's a lethal hitter, a certain tackler and fantastic in coverage. He seems very instinctual to me, the way he fills holes, is always around the ball and always has good position in coverage. No clue about his measureables, other than 6-1, 210, but he is a heck of a football player at the safety position.

realtick
11-27-2011, 06:49 PM
Kirkpatrick isn't exactly a fluid cover guy. :D


No problem. We'll just have to disagree then.

I've watched Kilpatrick plenty this season and in 2010, and he's got great hips and fluidity for a player his size. It's not as if he's Pat Watkins (I know a safety, but just making a point about taller/angular players) out there. He needs refining on his press technique. What I love about him though is he loves playing and finding a way to get involved on a play.

Again, I'm not advocating drafting him over more pressing needs or better talent, but if it's up to Dennard vs. Kilpatrick, gimmie Dre' all day, every day and twice on Sunday.

I'll have to check your boy from Duke.

VACowboy
11-27-2011, 06:58 PM
if it's up to Dennard vs. Kilpatrick, gimmie Dre' all day, every day and twice on Sunday.

Oh, without a doubt. I was mostly just poking ya, anyway. If Kirkpatrick is on the board when we're up, it's a no brainer. As I say, he looks like Charles Woodson to me. That's a GOOD thing.

JonJon
11-27-2011, 06:59 PM
I like it, but if we do get Alfonzo Dennard or some other CB with a first round grade, then I would rather get a C or G in the third round instead of Boykin.

Hostile
11-27-2011, 07:02 PM
Markelle Martin "has a nose for the ball?"

Funny, he's got just three interceptions in four years at OSU, and they all came in 2010.

Folks have been expecting a lot of Martin because he looks the part and seemed to be on the rise after putting himself on the radar after last season, which I'm guessing is what a lot of folks are basing their opinion on him from. He's been a bit of a disappointment this season for OSU.

Depending on how poor/well he tests out at the combine, I could see him going anywhere from 2nd to 4th round.

If you want to look for proven talent at the safety position, I'd look for Mark Barron sometime during the second day of the Draft.How many passes knocked away?

Hailmary
11-27-2011, 07:05 PM
Oh, without a doubt. I was mostly just poking ya, anyway. If Kirkpatrick is on the board when we're up, it's a no brainer. As I say, he looks like Charles Woodson to me. That's a GOOD thing.
I think he'll be long gone by the time we pick.

VACowboy
11-27-2011, 07:08 PM
I think he'll be long gone by the time we pick.

Yup. Prolly. But ya never know.

casmith07
11-27-2011, 08:58 PM
How many passes knocked away?

Or how many pass breakups by absolutely blowing up receivers.

silverbear
11-28-2011, 03:31 AM
Kirkpatrick isn't exactly a fluid cover guy. :D

He does remind me some of Charles Woodson, though, big, physical corner who plays like a linebacker.

I can't say I dislike the players in this draft, but I think it's much more important that we fix this team up front. I don't think any personnel addition will improve the Cowboys more than a high quality center. I'm not sure what the deal is with Konz and his pulmonary embolism, but if he's healthy, he's my pick in round one. Otherwise, I'm aiming for Brewster with a trade down or something. The ideal scenario would be to draft a C high and sign a good, young guard in FA. I think we have one young starting quality guard on the roster: Smith, Grubbs, Konz, Arkin, Free. That sounds good to me.

I'm telling you, Matt Daniels is gonna make some team look really smart. Nobody watches Duke football, including Duke fans, so he's a complete unknown to 99% of football fans. But he plays all over the field every single play. He led the Blue Devils with 126 tackles in 12 games, 2 INTs and 14 PBU. He's a lethal hitter, a certain tackler and fantastic in coverage. He seems very instinctual to me, the way he fills holes, is always around the ball and always has good position in coverage. No clue about his measureables, other than 6-1, 210, but he is a heck of a football player at the safety position.

I hadn't looked at him before this, but now that I have, there's a new player for my list... according to NFL Draft Scout, he has NFL level speed for the position (he has reportedly clocked in under 4.5 seconds)... I especially like the 27 passes broken up over the past 3 seasons, he's obviously not just an in the box safety...

FWIW, NFLDS currently has him rated their 184th best prospect, which would grade out to a likely 7th rounder (once underclassmen declare)...

Good call, man...

cowboyjoe
11-28-2011, 08:15 AM
Adding a Comp pick in the 6th for Stephen Bowen.

As always feel free to rip what you don't like.

1st round...Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska, 5'10", 205. He is very physical on the outside. Likes tackling. I find that highly important. Read somewhere that he asks his coaches to put him on the other team's big time WRs. I love that. I am convinced we have to fix this secondary.

2nd round...Markelle Martin, FS, Oklahoma State, 6'1", 198. Has a nose for the football and gets to it to break up passes. If he gets his hands on it is a threat to take it back. Has good closing speed. Solid tackler.

3rd round...Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia, 5'10", 185. Is a top Return man in addition to his CB skills. I want a dedicated return player. I also want to send a message to the secondary. The soft play is not going to fly.

4th round...Nick Foles, QB, Arizona, 6'5", 240. Has the potential to be a starter in the NFL. Is accurate. Very smart and possesses a big arm. Plays almost exclusively in a shotgun so will have to be an early project. Is well worth the risk.

5th round...Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU, 6'4", 305. Had him in my last mock and it felt right. Is a RT in the NFL. Good depth. Could push Doug Free if Smith and he ever change sides. Is versatile and can also play Guard.

6th round...Juron Criner, WR, Arizona, 6'4", 215. I do not understand at all why this kid is rated so low. He is a steal in the 6th round.

Comp pick, 6th round...Rhett Ellison, TE, USC, 6'5", 250. I am convinced we are looking at TE depth again. This kid can play.

7th round...Joe Halahuni, FB, Oregon State, 6'2", 255. The illness of Fiammetta has me looking FB in the Draft again.

Let me know what you think.

decent picks, but i do believe the cb will be long gone by time we draft

to many cbs too, in your draft or dbs, we have to many needs and we have to hit

OG, Possibly C which I think will be our top number one pick, c from ohio st

DE and big NT, DE because where is the heat besides ware & ratliff, sometimes hatcher, but jason always gets injured for 2 or 3 games, we need one dominant DE to really make this defense go and coleman i think is getting long in tooth

OLB that can bring pressure, ware isnt getting younger

reason for drop of your wr, injuries some and he doesnt explode at the snap, has to build up speed, and where is the big time production stats, granted he has some nice stats this year, but where is the 1,000 yards etc most explosive wrs have when drafted if you get my meaning

cb and safety as you say and FB

Possibly TE but from what i read the things jerry jones said about bennett, bennett is here to stay as a blocker