NFL PLAYBOOK Examines NFC EAST

[DWAREZ]

I only caught the end...the Moron Glenn Parker said the Redskins are closer to the Eagles than anyone else. What a laugh..lose their #1 corner...Antonio Peirce and L Coles and they have aquired Moss...and if aint no Randy ;)

Solomon Wilcox said the DALLAS COWBOYS are closest to the EAGLES....I always like him!! :)

[Eddie]

Why insult Glen Parker because he gives a different opinion than you have? Last I remember, both the Skins and Cowboys were 6-10.

[boysfanindc]

I personally believe the skins D will still be very good.

Their major problem last year was the O line, they are getting Jansen back and the signed a very good center.

They will be better then 6-10 this year, but I still believe we have helped our selves more even before the draft.

[DWAREZ]

Why insult Glen Parker because he gives a different opinion than you have? Last I remember, both the Skins and Cowboys were 6-10.

Probably because he is always wrong whether it was on Dallas or Donkey Doo ;)

[DWAREZ]

I personally believe the skins D will still be very good.

Their major problem last year was the O line, they are getting Jansen back and the signed a very good center.

They will be better then 6-10 this year, but I still believe we have helped our selves more even before the draft.

BINGO...my thoughts exactly...if I truly thought the Skins did more to improve better than the Boys thus far I would say so...I think we did better and have the picks too shake up the East with primarily the Eagles to chase.

[dargonking999]

Why insult Glen Parker because he gives a different opinion than you have? Last I remember, both the Skins and Cowboys were 6-10.

Last i remeber skins and te #2 defense and still had a losing record, have no definte QB, have a overrated RB< and ok OL, and a crappy WR corp, hmm we were jsut plagued by injuries whos better

we also gained mroe than we lost, so unlike the skins

[Eddie]

Who's to say who progressed more? Isn't it about the game on the field? Parker is just giving an opinion ... and just like yours and mine, it means very little. But why insult the guy because you disagree with him?

The Redskins, as with any team in the NFL, can possibly turn it around on a dime. Who's to say?

[The30YardSlant]

I only caught the end...the Moron Glenn Parker said the Redskins are closer to the Eagles than anyone else. What a laugh..lose their #1 corner...Antonio Peirce and L Coles and they have aquired Moss...and if aint no Randy ;)

Solomon Wilcox said the DALLAS COWBOYS are closest to the EAGLES....I always like him!! :)

Another HeavyHitta31 name copycat. :mad: ;)

[ghst187]

if anything...this offseason so far the redskins went from contending for #2 in the NFC East to an almost certain and possibly distant last.
But who knows, since they didn't changeover their entire roster this offseason, maybe their team has a chance to gel together...it'd be ironic wouldn't it?

[AJM1613]

I agree with him. The Redskins are the second best team in the NFC East...followed by the Giants.

[boysfanindc]

if anything...this offseason so far the redskins went from contending for #2 in the NFC East to an almost certain and possibly distant last.
But who knows, since they didn't changeover their entire roster this offseason, maybe their team has a chance to gel together...it'd be ironic wouldn't it?

I don't agree, yes they lost Pierce, Smoot and Coles.

But In reality they pick up John Jansen & Lavar Arrington, both of who pretty much missed last year.

They pick up a quality center in Rabach.

Moss & Patten to replace Coles.

The Burnell experiment is over so they won't lose half the year.

I still think the boys have positioned then selves better so far. But the skins will not be as bad as I hear everyone saying.

[ghst187]

well let's play some VERY STRONG trends here:
Chaulk up 2 losses for the foreskins to the Eagles
Chaulk up 2 losses for the foreskins to the Cowboys (14-1?)
Then one of the two remaining games is at NY....

[The30YardSlant]

I agree with him. The Redskins are the second best team in the NFC East...followed by the Giants.

:lmao2:

[AJM1613]

:lmao2:

?????

[DWAREZ]

Who's to say who progressed more? Isn't it about the game on the field? Parker is just giving an opinion ... and just like yours and mine, it means very little. But why insult the guy because you disagree with him?

The Redskins, as with any team in the NFL, can possibly turn it around on a dime. Who's to say?

Stop being babified...Glen Parker is not offended..you apparently are...he was a football player and is not a whiny baby...Glen is often wrong on the show and knows very little about the NFC east thus the comment.

Should we now call out every poster here on the Zone that is critical or pokes fun at someone like Jerrah, QC, BP , Zimmer, Wiley Ect.... Please, get over the over sensitive stuff.

Who's to say? I think Glen Parker did but he is wrong!!

Sorry but the Skins lost much, Gibbs has been passed by and cannot call an offense or manage a game, The QB position is questionable, They lose a WR playmaker when healthy, their new WRs are average, the lose their #1 cornerback, Antonio Peirce, Arrington is a injury ?? so yes I think we pass by the Skins.

We may not be at the Eagles level yet but we are gaining as Simon Wilcox rightly pointed out to your buddy Glen Ps dismay.

[The30YardSlant]

?????
The Foreskins havent been better than us in 15 years, what makes you think it will end now? :skins:

[DWAREZ]

Another HeavyHitta31 name copycat. :mad: ;)

I assume you are kidding..I never even thought of your existence when i MADE UP A CHAT BOARD NAME.

Question for you to engage:

1) To what extent does this matter? And could it be that the people the thousands of people that preceded you with using RoyW themed screen names do not care that you "stole" their theme?

2) Is Roys name in your screen name?

3) Are you really serious???

I hope you are kidding and get the joke ;)

[AJM1613]

You'll still beat them but they will have the better record.

And I'm pretty sure they won the East in 1999, and finished with a better record than you in 2000, 2001, and 2002.

[DWAREZ]

You'll still beat them but they will have the better record.

And I'm pretty sure they won the East in 1999, and finished with a better record than you in 2000, 2001, and 2002.

Does an Eagles fan really want to speak of records...How about 0-2 in the SB...LOL :)

[k19]

Comming on again NOW if anyone is interested

[DallasKnight]

I agree with him. The Redskins are the second best team in the NFC East...followed by the Giants.

Get a life and go to your own site you troll. :iggles:

[followthestar]

you can say that who improved more is opinion, but really lets talk about facts. while we don't know the impact each player will have, we can and do have a consensus of how good the players are that each team gained. it is a fact that the cowboys are generally considered to have had one of the best offseasons of any team thus far. minny is said to have done very well also. washington is not mentioned, even as a runnerup, for obvious reasons. the cowboys have significantly closed the gap on the eagles IMO, while the skins have made no real progress to speak of. i'll put my money down now that we finish with a better record than the skins!

[joshjwp]

The Redskins will not have a better record than us. The only reason we had the same record as them last year was due to injuries. Which by the way seems inevitable for them to experience next year. Their offensive skill positons are way too small Portis, Moss, Patten are sure to suffer some injuries. Portis will never be the back he was in Denver, mainly due to the fact that no back is. Their scheme is amazing, his yards per carrie dropped from 5.5 with Denver to 3.9 last year. Then on top of that he is now in a pound the ball offense and is expected to get 25-30 carries a game and he wont last a whole season. He is sure to have a short career IMO.

[SuspectCorner]

I agree with him. The Redskins are the second best team in the NFC East...followed by the Giants.
diagnosis: Lombardi envy

and if dallas PO'd ya so far during FA period - wait'll ya see what they land in the first coupla rounds of the upcoming draft.

for your sake, i hope donny mac is working on his sprints.

comin' at ya.

[Zaxor]

I think AJM613 is closer to right than any of you homers are willing to admit

lets look at our 4 signings...

Offense

Deadslow..er I mean Bledsoe... If this were 1992 it is a good signing other than that he is probably no better or worse than half the qb's who Bill said will only get you to .500... I just do not understand how the NE fans and Bills fans can be cheering their gain by cutting Bledsoe and the Cowboy fans cheering their gain by signing him somewhere someone is not being truthful... so is he better than VT...who know but if he is I think it will be minimal....

Rivera... nice guard but was about done before the back injury (knees) now who knows what the Cowboys get IF he even plays

so overall on offense I do not see a marked improvement... and if the O-line is still porous than I see a downgrade as Bledsoe is less mobile than VT


Defense

Ferguson and Henry are both very good pickups IMHO...I think with those two added to the defense it should be in the top dozen in the league...of course that means we find a viable solution at FS...

So are the Cowboys drastically improved...I do not believe so...but they have made some improvements and I believe their Defense will keep them in some games this year...but this pie in the sky talk...well its just that

[AJM1613]

Talking about injuries? The minicamps haven't even started yet and one of you new pickups already got injured.

The Redskins lost Pierce, but they got Barrow and Arrington (played four games). They lost Coles, but got Moss and Patten. They lost Smoot, but they got Bowen (played five games), Rabach and Jansen. They also got stabilty at quarterback, which is a must. Just because they didn't have the most glamorous offseason for the first time in ten years doesn't mean they will be even worse this season.

Sorry if I sound like a troll...but I believe it.

And the Giants are obvious.

[Cbz40]

Talking about injuries? The minicamps haven't even started yet and one of you new pickups already got injured.

The Redskins lost Pierce, but they got Barrow and Arrington (played four games). They lost Coles, but got Moss and Patten. They lost Smoot, but they got Bowen (played five games), Rabach and Jansen. They also got stabilty at quarterback, which is a must. Just because they didn't have the most glamorous offseason for the first time in ten years doesn't mean they will be even worse this season.

Sorry if I sound like a troll...but I believe it.

And the Giants are obvious.

The Giants have very quietly had a very fine off season thus far.......But, The Giants will go as Manning goes. At this point that's a big ???????

[Eddie]

The Giants will go as far as Manning will take them. At least they have their franchise QB. I'm jealous.

I think the Giants will make tremendous strides from last year. The games Eli played in gave him valuable experience ... and he punched us in the nose at the end of the year (with only his 5th string WR's available, due to injury).

We can sing our own praises about how well we progressed ... but other than Ferguson (and hopefully Rivera if he recovers), the other pickups are not necessarily huge upgrades over what we already had in place.

Bledsoe is no better than Testaverde, and I'm not really sure Anthony Henry is anything more than a rookie wonder living off his past accomplishments.

I hope to be proven wrong, but we still have severe holes to fill. No point patting ourselves on the back for a job well done.

We still have a draft ... and with JJ's draft record, I'm not too confident he's going to find any real players who'll stick. I'm just hoping BP can do a better job.

[hockix]

If we don't get a pass rush, we will be the worst team of NFC east.

We really need to get Howard cause he is much better than any of the DE in the draft this year.

I hope we draft one and he proves me wrong but I don't see it.

It doesn't matter who we have at CB and FS, if we don't rush the opposite QB we will be bad.

Last year we needed a CB badly and we didn't get any, this year we need a DE and we still didn't get any.

We improved the team but we are still far from good.

[Eddie]

This is like Ground Hog's Day. It's a recurring nightmare.

Year in and year out, we need a DE and CB. It's unending.

We really need to hit the nail on the head this draft. Other teams seem to nail DE's like lucky charms. What gives?

The Iggles were laughed at for drafting 4 DB's in the 2002 draft. Two wound up in the Pro Bowl and 1 is a solid starter. Why can't we draft like that ???

I'm hoping Lacewell was the problem in the system. Now that he's gone, I'm hoping we can do a better job of drafting. With two first rounders, we need two spectacular players. With a high second rounder ... we should and 3 great players.

Anything else will see us in the basement of the NFC East ... again!!!

[Hollywood Henderson]

Year in and year out EVERY team in the NFCE has a MUCH better DC then we have...

Its all on the offense this year (again) unless Parcells takes over and goes 3-4...

zimmy WUSS is clueless!

[aikemirv]

If we don't get a pass rush, we will be the worst team of NFC east.

We really need to get Howard cause he is much better than any of the DE in the draft this year.

I hope we draft one and he proves me wrong but I don't see it.

It doesn't matter who we have at CB and FS, if we don't rush the opposite QB we will be bad.

Last year we needed a CB badly and we didn't get any, this year we need a DE and we still didn't get any.

We improved the team but we are still far from good.

Some people don't realize that our pass rush has already improved with the signing of Ferguson. He will take pressure of Ellis and Glover.

I don't know how many people got to see him play last year with the Jets but he was a big factor in their pass rush and he will be in ours too, not by his own sacks but what he will free up for the others!

[Eddie]

I've stayed out of the Zimmer arguments ... mainly because he's had several top 5 D's. But then again, so did Campo and that didn't take us too far.

I think last year exposed the flaws in Zimmer's system. BP seems prepared to give Zim the benefit of the doubt. But I doubt Zimmer is a Super Bowl quality DC.

Regardless of who we bring in as DE, he's gonna fail in Zimmers engage and react D.

[Doomsday101]

Some people don't realize that our pass rush has already improved with the signing of Ferguson. He will take pressure of Ellis and Glover.

I don't know how many people goit to see him play last year with the Jets but he was a big factor in their pass rush and he will be in ours too, not by his own sacks but what he will free up for the others!

I agree, main thing with Ferguson is his ability to collapse the pocket. By having a strong push up the middle it forces the QB to step to the outside towards where the DE will be coming

[OILERMAN]

Ferguson is a run defender, he's not going to improve the pass rush. In all likelyhood he won't even be on the field in passing situations.

[aikemirv]

Ferguson is a run defender, he's not going to improve the pass rush. In all likelyhood he won't even be on the field in passing situations.

If you did not watch him last year with the Jets please don't respond. Its obvious that you didn't if that is your opinion of him.

[OILERMAN]

If you did not watch him last year with the Jets please don't respond. Its obvious that you didn't if that is your opinion of him.

Ferguson plays NT and when he plays DT he lines up over the nose. He plays the run technique. Run stopping is his forte. In obvious passing situations he's not even on the field.

You're just dreaming if you think he's going to make the Cowboys suddenly have a pass rush.

[Doomsday101]

Ferguson plays NT and when he plays DT he lines up over the nose. He plays the run technique. Run stopping is his forte. In obvious passing situations he's not even on the field.

You're just dreaming if you think he's going to make the Cowboys suddenly have a pass rush.

Ferguson did not come out on passing downs. I know you hate the Cowboys but please stop making up BS that evidently you have no clue about.

[joshjwp]

why does someone that hates the cowboys spend their time on here anyways?

[SuspectCorner]

Ferguson plays NT and when he plays DT he lines up over the nose. He plays the run technique. Run stopping is his forte. In obvious passing situations he's not even on the field.

You're just dreaming if you think he's going to make the Cowboys suddenly have a pass rush.
ferguson is gonna occupy OLs that would otherwise double laroi - thus allowing GLOVER to create the pressure up the middle that will flush out QBs toward DE pursuit.

think "dominoe effect" NHLfranchiseman.

[joshjwp]

Besides, at this very moment our right end is a better pass rusher than last year. Loosing Wiley (or should I say getting rid of him) already improved our pass rush, because Eric Ogbogu is a better pass rusher, and so is Kalen Thornton. But if we don't get someone else it will be our run defense that suffers, because these two aren't good against the run and are too small, which will cause them to wear down.

Bottom line is the Cowboys can pencil in more sacks as a team than they had last year, barring injury.

BTW another pass rush addition will be Roy Williams, moving to SS he will be rushing the passer a lot more.

[OILERMAN]

Yea Furgeson and Roy Williams are some great pass rushers....

Good grief.

[Doomsday101]

Yea Furgeson and Roy Williams are some great pass rushers....

Good grief.

Ferguson does not get a lot of sacks, most DT do not get a lot of sack but a good DT can collapse the pocket and contributes in getting sacks.

[bsheeern]

Yea Furgeson and Roy Williams are some great pass rushers....

Good grief.
Man get a life and get a freakin team!!
No idiot in their right mind (that knows anything about football) could not know that a player like Furg leads to more pressure on the QB. Glover had 16 sacks one season in NO because he had a nose tackle type DT next to him. Since he's been here he's had to play the run stuffing DT posistion himself!! He doesn't get double teamed every play for nothing!!!!!!!!!!! Who will you double team next year? Answer that question!!!

[OILERMAN]

Ferguson will require double teams, on running downs.

On passing downs the only player on the Cowboys roster that could require a double team is Glover, and even he has seen his better days.

The best chance Dallas has is if they draft somenoe like Merriman or Tuck

[Everlastingxxx]

Talking about injuries? The minicamps haven't even started yet and one of you new pickups already got injured.

The Redskins lost Pierce, but they got Barrow and Arrington (played four games). They lost Coles, but got Moss and Patten. They lost Smoot, but they got Bowen (played five games), Rabach and Jansen. They also got stabilty at quarterback, which is a must. Just because they didn't have the most glamorous offseason for the first time in ten years doesn't mean they will be even worse this season.

Sorry if I sound like a troll...but I believe it.

And the Giants are obvious.

Why does this Eagles fan always seem to make more sense? :iggles:

[mschmidt64]

You frickin' guys.

Every year its the same.

You panic over the Skins, time and time again, because you think the talent they have and the talent they acquire is worth two shats.

Those bums aren't going to take a single step forward next year, especially if they draft a CB at 9, so cross your frickin' fingers that they do.

That team is a mess from top to bottom. Their QB situation isn't stable. Its a complete and utter mess. Brunell was worse than Vinny and paid 47 times as much. Ramsey is their own personal Quincy Carter... the guy with the physical abilities of Dan Marino and the mental acuity of a fig. The problem is, those retards are even slower than we are. They still think Ramsey is going to put it all together. Even we weren't braindead enough to continue with Carter.

Their offensive line is a joke. Samuels is probably the most overrated lineman in the league, given the money he's making.

The one position on offense that was a strength for them -- WR -- they just turned into an afterthought. Moss isn't Coles. Patten isn't anyone.

Their defensive front 4 is a joke. They don't have a single player on that line worth keeping outside of Cornelius Griffin. And he's about as good as some of the backups on the Eagles.

Lavar Arrington is undisciplined and costs the defense more big plays than he makes. Barrow is old and fragile, and yet somehow they spin it as a positive thing that they continue to pay that 36 year old while letting go of the better, younger Pierce.

And now they just lost Smoot. Meaning they are going to have to invest big money and resources on a CB in the draft -- the most meaningless position on the defense!

Finally, Gregg Williams is going to end up experiencing a Zimmer-like setback with his blitz schemes now that people have had a year to figure them out. In the end, if you don't have success up front, which they don't, teams will beat you cause you can't blitz forever.

You guys should be throwing up your hands with the state that team is in.

They're a non frickin factor and they will be watching the playoffs home yet again this offseason.

The Giants are the team that I've been thinking about. They could be solid.

Depends on Coughlin more than anyone else, IMO.

[dargonking999]

Why does this Eagles fan always seem to make more sense? :iggles:

because we have idiot wanna be cowboys fans(oilerman)

[Eddie]

Honestly, I don't think we've closed the gap between the Eagles and us. They have 6 day 1 picks ... and have done a good job in turning unwanted players into draft picks. I'm not sure how they got Miami to give them a 2nd rounder for AJ Feeley, but they're doing something right.

We've done decent in FA this year, but still don't have much talent otherwise. I honestly don't see any player on this team other than Roy Williams starting on the 92 Super Bowl team.

[joshjwp]

You frickin' guys.

Every year its the same.

You panic over the Skins, time and time again, because you think the talent they have and the talent they acquire is worth two shats.

Those bums aren't going to take a single step forward next year, especially if they draft a CB at 9, so cross your frickin' fingers that they do.

That team is a mess from top to bottom. Their QB situation isn't stable. Its a complete and utter mess. Brunell was worse than Vinny and paid 47 times as much. Ramsey is their own personal Quincy Carter... the guy with the physical abilities of Dan Marino and the mental acuity of a fig. The problem is, those retards are even slower than we are. They still think Ramsey is going to put it all together. Even we weren't braindead enough to continue with Carter.

Their offensive line is a joke. Samuels is probably the most overrated lineman in the league, given the money he's making.

The one position on offense that was a strength for them -- WR -- they just turned into an afterthought. Moss isn't Coles. Patten isn't anyone.

Their defensive front 4 is a joke. They don't have a single player on that line worth keeping outside of Cornelius Griffin. And he's about as good as some of the backups on the Eagles.

Lavar Arrington is undisciplined and costs the defense more big plays than he makes. Barrow is old and fragile, and yet somehow they spin it as a positive thing that they continue to pay that 36 year old while letting go of the better, younger Pierce.

And now they just lost Smoot. Meaning they are going to have to invest big money and resources on a CB in the draft -- the most meaningless position on the defense!

Finally, Gregg Williams is going to end up experiencing a Zimmer-like setback with his blitz schemes now that people have had a year to figure them out. In the end, if you don't have success up front, which they don't, teams will beat you cause you can't blitz forever.

You guys should be throwing up your hands with the state that team is in.

They're a non frickin factor and they will be watching the playoffs home yet again this offseason.

The Giants are the team that I've been thinking about. They could be solid.

Depends on Coughlin more than anyone else, IMO.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

[bsheeern]

We've done decent in FA this year, but still don't have much talent otherwise. I honestly don't see any player on this team other than Roy Williams starting on the 92 Super Bowl team.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't compare any player on this team by that analogy. This isn't 1992 when it comes to the NFL. Those days are over. Free agency has eliminated Teams like the 90's Cowboys, 80's 49ers and so on. Don't get me wrong the Pats are a great team, but they would be just a good team if they had played in the 90's. We had better talent than you could possibly acquire now because of FA.
I do think we have closed the gap a lot between us and the Eagles. I'd be willing to bet that we win at least 9-11 games this year and beat the Eagles once.

[bsheeern]

[QUOTE=OILERMAN]Ferguson will require double teams, on running downs.

[QUOTE=OILERMAN]On passing downs the only player on the Cowboys roster that could require a double team is Glover, and even he has seen his better days.

Well last year Glover got double teamed on every single down. 1st through 3rd. Most of the time he would also get chipped by a RB as well, so what will you do next year. You can't double Glover and Ferg.

[AJM1613]

From what I saw in New York, Ferguson was never the one drawing the double teams, it was Robertson, who at this point of his career is probably better than Glover.

[AJM1613]

And the reason why Ferguson was never subbed on passing downs was because Evans was hurt, and Reed really isn't that good.

[aikemirv]

From what I saw in New York, Ferguson was never the one drawing the double teams, it was Robertson, who at this point of his career is probably better than Glover.

Oh yeah, him and all of his three sacks who rarely was in the starting lineup as a rookie..
Ferguson had more sacks and tackles than Robertson, so I guess Ferguson is better than Robertson too. Please don't tell me Robertson got the doubles when teams were dealing with Abraham and Ellis!.

That is a laugher that Robertson is better than Glover.

That just shows you're bias and nothing else!

[bsheeern]

From what I saw in New York, Ferguson was never the one drawing the double teams, it was Robertson, who at this point of his career is probably better than Glover.
That's funny Glover had more sacks in one year that that kid has had in his career.

[AJM1613]

Oh yeah, him and all of his three sacks who rarely was in the starting lineup as a rookie..
Ferguson had more sacks and tackles than Robertson, so I guess Ferguson is better than Robertson too. Please don't tell me Robertson got the doubles when teams were dealing with Abraham and Ellis!.

That is a laugher that Robertson is better than Glover.

That just shows you're bias and nothing else!

Since when did I say Ferguson didn't have more sacks and tackles than Robertson? That doesn't make him better. Tackles are a real weak way to judge a player and sacks for interior linemen only go so far (Glover had more sacks and tackles than Seymour, does that make him the better player?).

And because I thought one Jets linemen was better than the other I'm bias? I didn't form opinions on these players today.

[ravidubey]

You'll still beat them but they will have the better record.

And I'm pretty sure they won the East in 1999, and finished with a better record than you in 2000, 2001, and 2002.

Dallas is what, 13-1 against Washington since late 1997? The Cowboys have also had a better record since 2003. Where Washington really buggers us is in Championship games where they have us 0-2, but Dallas is 5-3 in the Superbowl compared with Washington's 3-2.

Philly, despite it's post-McNabb success, has no hardware to show for it (unless you count that NFC Championship game trophy). That's truly sad!

[OILERMAN]

You can't say anything bad about the Cowboys though......

[aikemirv]

Since when did I say Ferguson didn't have more sacks and tackles than Robertson? That doesn't make him better. Tackles are a real weak way to judge a player and sacks for interior linemen only go so far (Glover had more sacks and tackles than Seymour, does that make him the better player?).

And because I thought one Jets linemen was better than the other I'm bias? I didn't form opinions on these players today.

No, you are Bias because you said Roberston was better than Glover.

I saw the Jets play a few times last year and Robertson did very little and Ferguson was always a prescence, that was before the Cowboys got him and he was my #1 choice for a FA pickup before FA ever started this year. And sacks and tackles aside Ferguson is better than Robertson from what I observed.

[aikemirv]

You can't say anything bad about the Cowboys though......

The point here is that the Cowboys had many holes to fill from last year and Ferguson was rated by many as the top interior lineman available and now somehow, because the Cowboys got him , he is not that good anymore and won't have an impact. That is where the bias comes in. I thought he was very good before we ever got him - there is no bias.

[dargonking999]

You can't say anything bad about the Cowboys though......

no you cant say anything bad about the boys if
1)your are not a fan
2)it something that isnt true
3) gonna make people angry
4) a highly controversial issue

[dargonking999]

Since when did I say Ferguson didn't have more sacks and tackles than Robertson? That doesn't make him better. Tackles are a real weak way to judge a player and sacks for interior linemen only go so far (Glover had more sacks and tackles than Seymour, does that make him the better player?).

And because I thought one Jets linemen was better than the other I'm bias? I didn't form opinions on these players today.

well from what i obersvered Ferguson got to the QB made plays and created havioc, Robertson didnt, so to me that means ferguson is a better player, now i dont know how you decide whos better or not, but its not right. (on a side not it was the DE i thin we all know his name who got double teams not robertson)

[AJM1613]

No, you are Bias because you said Roberston was better than Glover.

I saw the Jets play a few times last year and Robertson did very little and Ferguson was always a prescence, that was before the Cowboys got him and he was my #1 choice for a FA pickup before FA ever started this year. And sacks and tackles aside Ferguson is better than Robertson from what I observed.

Well obviously I don't agree with you, that's your opinion and that's fine. I think Robertson is better than either your tackles or our starting tackles...that's my opinion and I don't think it's bias.

Glover isn't as good as he is looked at on this site, did not deserve to go to the Pro Bowl (Coleman did), and is better than Simon. My opinion.

[bsheeern]

Well obviously I don't agree with you, that's your opinion and that's fine. I think Robertson is better than either your tackles or our starting tackles...that's my opinion and I don't think it's bias.

Glover isn't as good as he is looked at on this site, did not deserve to go to the Pro Bowl (Coleman did), and is better than Simon. My opinion.
Ask any head coach or player in the league and i GUARANTEE you they will tell you that Glover is one of the top 5-7 DT's in the league. He has everything you want in a player other than he's not considered to be on the Rise. He's a Pro's Pro. Work ethic, desire, heart, knowledge, ability, commitment, dedication, strength, non-stop motor. He's a beast who hasn't had a DT line up next to him that is worth 2 cent in about 5 years!!!

[The30YardSlant]

I assume you are kidding..I never even thought of your existence when i MADE UP A CHAT BOARD NAME.

Question for you to engage:

1) To what extent does this matter? And could it be that the people the thousands of people that preceded you with using RoyW themed screen names do not care that you "stole" their theme?

2) Is Roys name in your screen name?

3) Are you really serious???

I hope you are kidding and get the joke ;)

Yes, it was sarcasm :D

[DWAREZ]

Yes, it was sarcasm :D

sorry bro for the confusion some peeps are serious with the stuff :)

[DWAREZ]

I think AJM613 is closer to right than any of you homers are willing to admit

lets look at our 4 signings...

Offense

Deadslow..er I mean Bledsoe... If this were 1992 it is a good signing other than that he is probably no better or worse than half the qb's who Bill said will only get you to .500... I just do not understand how the NE fans and Bills fans can be cheering their gain by cutting Bledsoe and the Cowboy fans cheering their gain by signing him somewhere someone is not being truthful... so is he better than VT...who know but if he is I think it will be minimal....

Rivera... nice guard but was about done before the back injury (knees) now who knows what the Cowboys get IF he even plays

so overall on offense I do not see a marked improvement... and if the O-line is still porous than I see a downgrade as Bledsoe is less mobile than VT


Defense

Ferguson and Henry are both very good pickups IMHO...I think with those two added to the defense it should be in the top dozen in the league...of course that means we find a viable solution at FS...

So are the Cowboys drastically improved...I do not believe so...but they have made some improvements and I believe their Defense will keep them in some games this year...but this pie in the sky talk...well its just that

Yet you assume all of these things:

Drew Bledsoe was the best FA QB and fit for us considering Henson and Romo are not ready. You assume way to much ingnoring the success Drew had this past season.

If Rivera can come back? most people in the know think he will be fine and of course there is always a possibilty he may not but probability quotients favor him coming back at 33 or not being his first back issue and standard procedure.. GreenBay who knows Rivera the best sure wanted to keep him but they had no $$$...they saw no problems with his knees...but I guess your on their physician staff...ASSUMPTION busted!!

Thus, there is improvement on the Oline and at the QB position, you forget we are not finished in FA or the draft....HELLO...but a remarkable upgrade from what we had previously....don't ya think?

RB/WR/RT all can be had in FA or the draft.

Defense:

Fergi Boom...much improved at the DT position.

Henry...Much improved at RCB.

Our only holes are FS and DE/LB which we have the picks to address or pickup in FA.

Even as it sits we are much improved from last years squad.so fudge on your homer talk and stop sleepin with the enemy ;).but we are not done...not even close :)

[DWAREZ]

You can't say anything bad about the Cowboys though......

Or Texans Or Titans...WAaaah..;) They both will suck again this year!!

[DWAREZ]

The Giants will go as far as Manning will take them. At least they have their franchise QB. I'm jealous.

I think the Giants will make tremendous strides from last year. The games Eli played in gave him valuable experience ... and he punched us in the nose at the end of the year (with only his 5th string WR's available, due to injury).

We can sing our own praises about how well we progressed ... but other than Ferguson (and hopefully Rivera if he recovers), the other pickups are not necessarily huge upgrades over what we already had in place.

Bledsoe is no better than Testaverde, and I'm not really sure Anthony Henry is anything more than a rookie wonder living off his past accomplishments.

I hope to be proven wrong, but we still have severe holes to fill. No point patting ourselves on the back for a job well done.

We still have a draft ... and with JJ's draft record, I'm not too confident he's going to find any real players who'll stick. I'm just hoping BP can do a better job.

Your jealous of an unproven QB and you assume he is the answer see Leaf and Couch, Akili...Eli must prove he is good his name alone is not gonna get it done...he was horrible and only was slightly better after his game experience proving nothing.

Beating us last year is hardly an endorsement, 5th string or not.

Fergi, Rivera, Drew and Henry are much better than what we had last year..your on kookoo nuts.

Bledsoe is much better than a crusty Vinny, not a long term solution but bigger arm, YOUNGER, durable in that he does not wear down, makes better decisions.

Henry destroys any RCB we have had lately and has had 4 solid seasons..you know NOTHING on the matter. Even the crappy Browns had a better pass defense with Henry than Seattle with Lucas.

Obviously JJ will work with Bill for a better draft but you are foolish to think we are not a better team with these four additions relative to what we had last year.

[lspain1]

Does anyone know when this program comes on again? I would like to see it. Regardless of bias, the discussion is interesting to hear. Last night they were talking about the NFC West :thumbdo: (Yawn).

[Tio]

Another HeavyHitta31 name copycat. :mad: ;)Will you shatup????

(why doesn't anyone make a "wheres tio?" thread when I am gone, afraid you'll jinx it?)

[Tio]

I agree with him. The Redskins are the second best team in the NFC East...followed by the Giants.You said the same thing last year, because they signed a lot of FAs and had a big offseason. Quit trying to stir the pot, you aren't fooling anyone.

[Jed_70]

Does anyone know when this program comes on again? I would like to see it. Regardless of bias, the discussion is interesting to hear. Last night they were talking about the NFC West :thumbdo: (Yawn).

I think you missed out on it. They do a different division each night.

The day I was trying to watch the NFC East review they preempted it with Live Coverage of P. Tagliabu's PC from the owners' meetings.

So I missed a good chunk of the NFC East show myself because of that.:grrr:

[OILERMAN]

Or Texans Or Titans...WAaaah..;) They both will suck again this year!!

Go check the Veags odds and see where they think Dallas and the Titans rank in terms of winning the SB.

One has them tied and the other has the Titans with a better chance. This is after the Titans have purged their roster....lol

Maybe you better check where the Cowboys rank before talking about who sucks.

[dargonking999]

Go check the Veags odds and see where they think Dallas and the Titans rank in terms of winning the SB.

One has them tied and the other has the Titans with a better chance. This is after the Titans have purged their roster....lol

Maybe you better check where the Cowboys rank before talking about who sucks.

the sad thing, titans wont get any further than 8-8 while the cowboys have a chance at getting to the playoffs, you can purge waht you want, but the botoml ines is simple your team is no match for us. Plain and simple

[DWAREZ]

Go check the Veags odds and see where they think Dallas and the Titans rank in terms of winning the SB.

One has them tied and the other has the Titans with a better chance. This is after the Titans have purged their roster....lol

Maybe you better check where the Cowboys rank before talking about who sucks.

sorry but the Titans will suck...the odds fail to consider the draft and rest of FA if that is the case...dumb move...The Titans will be aweful for some time...and We ALL will remind you of it in 2005...Trust me ;)

[big dog cowboy]

Go check the Veags odds and see where they think Dallas and the Titans rank in terms of winning the SB.

One has them tied and the other has the Titans with a better chance. This is after the Titans have purged their roster....lol

Maybe you better check where the Cowboys rank before talking about who sucks.
Well, that is all fine and good. The only problem is this is freakin' March!!!! Get back with us when the season is about to start and these kind of things are a little more meaningful.

[AJM1613]

You said the same thing last year, because they signed a lot of FAs and had a big offseason. Quit trying to stir the pot, you aren't fooling anyone.

No I said it because I didn't think Brunell was THAT bad and the return of Gibbs. I never liked them trading for Portis, I thought they gave up way too much (both in the trade and the money), and I didn't think Springs was a good replacement for Bailey.

Also, from what I remember I thought you would be the second best team and would squeak into the playoffs, though that was before you cut Carter.

[morasp]

?????

I wouldn't put the Eagles at fourth just because they can't win a super bowl.

[Tio]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=47246&highlight=Redskins#post47246

[Tio]

To your credit, we were all way off...:(