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ZiggyZ.
03-24-2005, 11:34 AM
I'm not buying these predictions about BP taking a WR in rounds 1 or 2. Bill will give Copper and Crayton a year to develop behind Glenn and Key, and maybe add another WR with a 6th.

But Bill is going to draft linemen. He knows that the game is won and lost in the trenches. I don't care if you're starting wideouts are Braylon Edwards, Mike Williams, and Roddy White, if Bledsoe is scrambling around or on his back, they're never going to get the ball. So their skills are completely negated if the line stinks.

And Dallas's lines need a lot of work. Flozell jumps offsides so often because he can't handle speed rushers and he knows it. LA is less mobile every year. Rivera is a huge question mark at this point, and there's no one you can feel great about at tackle. So the OL desperately needs an infusion of talent.

And the DL isn't all that great either. Fergeson should be a nice addition. Glover is tenacious, and Ellis is as dependable as they come. But only Glover comes close to being spectacular, and there's really no one behind them. Carson? He's a solid backup. Coleman? Nothing. Ogbogu? Not much.

So Dallas desperately needs to start devleloping some young, stud linemen if they want long-term success. They MUST HAVE replacements for Flo and LA in place, while finding good solutions at RT and RG (if Rivera is done).

Dallas needs some young DTs to start developing, and a DE right NOW to rush the passer. (I hope Kalen Thornton has a break-out year for us, but you can't count on that alone.)

So my prediction is that Bill takes at least 4 linemen in the first 3 rounds. I see us trading down at least one of our 1st rounders, if not both, to create 4-5 selections in rounds 1-3. Then I see 4 linemen, and maybe a backup RB if we end up with 5 early picks. Another possibility is to go with 3 linemen and Brodney Pool, since he looks to complement Roy so well.

Day 2 is when you'll see the WR, a CB, and some special teamers get drafted. Maybe grab Raiola for center depth.

But the thing holding this Dallas team back is poor line play. Can you imagine what it could be like if Juke Jones had a great line to gouge holes for him? Or if Bledsoe had time to let Glenn work down the field?

And imagine the interceptions that Newman and Henry will produce if Dallas actually had anything even slightly resembling a pass rush...


No, I don't see a WR, a RB, a QB, or a CB in the early rounds. Bill won't play Henson because he knows the OL stinks. And he knows that Newman is a great corner stuck without a passrush. Bill will look to maximize the talent he's already put in place by improving line play.

Eddie
03-24-2005, 11:38 AM
Nice post, and I agree to an extent.

We definitely need OL and DL help. BP concentrated on the OL in 2003 and 04 ... Johnson at Center, Rogers at OT, and Peterman at OG. We have to give these young guys a chance before looking for their replacements.

I do think we're gonna hit the DL hard this year. Ferguson's addition won't change the fact that we're gonna try and upgrade the DL.

I do NOT think though, that we're gonna take D for all three day 1 picks. We need help all over. DE is a great place to start.

But don't count out WR, FS, CB, LB, FB, and backups across the board.

ravidubey
03-24-2005, 11:44 AM
Very nice post. I agree BP may decide to totally overhaul the OL via the draft-- lord knows he's done it before and because of it he won the 1990 Superbowl. But you also have to draft the best players, and those aren't always linemen.

Eddie
03-24-2005, 11:46 AM
Let's hope Rogers and Peterman turn around ala Al Johnson. That would give our OL a nice youthful kick. We need it.

LA=Pancakemaker
03-24-2005, 11:47 AM
Take the sleeper Bass from Michigan - reminds me of a Stepnowski... or Barron of course if he there.

shnagy
03-24-2005, 11:53 AM
I wouldn't mind seeing us trade down a little bit from the 11th spot and get Troy Williamson (unless DJ is there) and then take lineman from there on out. We need linemen and you make a lot of good points with your post.

MichaelWinicki
03-24-2005, 11:54 AM
I tend to agree. I would like a playmaking WR but I see the need for depth on the DL especially.

But our 2nd rounder had better be a FS.

Eddie
03-24-2005, 11:56 AM
But our 2nd rounder had better be a FS.

Jet's found an excellent FS in the 4th round last year. I think good FS's are available late.

I'd rather have a bigger impact player in round 2.

BlueStar II
03-24-2005, 12:02 PM
I think we'll take a DL with our first pick, and a LB with our second pick. Parcells went the OL route last year so I'm fairly certain he'll focus on the DL this year, and then go for a LB. He wants to do two things on defense, improve our run stopping ability, and obviously...improve the pass rush. After those two positions have been addressed early, then, I think he'll look at the best player who's left on the board when we pick.

dargonking999
03-24-2005, 12:04 PM
I like your thinking but the best lineman dont always need to be drafted in 1st round i say trde down some get some second and 3rd round picks, and draft 1 solid Off or Def player in the first round and pick up 2 or 3 solid Lineman.

Eddie
03-24-2005, 12:04 PM
We haven't taken a LB in the first round since Kevin Brooks.

I'm not sure we'll go that route this year.

MichaelWinicki
03-24-2005, 12:24 PM
Jet's found an excellent FS in the 4th round last year. I think good FS's are available late.

I'd rather have a bigger impact player in round 2.


Did you see the "impact" our free safety's had last year-- specifically none. And that's why I would spend a #2 on one. Especially one that can cover. Remember Woodson was a 2nd.

You aren't going to find too many FS in the 4th round that can have both size and cover ability.

Nors
03-24-2005, 12:41 PM
Jet's found an excellent FS in the 4th round last year. I think good FS's are available late.

I'd rather have a bigger impact player in round 2.



Erik Coleman was a 5th rounder but I agree with your point. I really see us going ILB, DT at #42.

tyke1doe
03-24-2005, 12:42 PM
Good post. All those Mike Williams/DJ/Mark Clayton fans better get ready for disappointment.

Bill loves big beef. He's said so over and over again. That's what he's targeting in this draft.

Nors
03-24-2005, 12:44 PM
Did you see the "impact" our free safety's had last year-- specifically none. And that's why I would spend a #2 on one. Especially one that can cover. Remember Woodson was a 2nd.

You aren't going to find too many FS in the 4th round that can have both size and cover ability.

Woodson was a LB in college and converted to SS. I don't believe he started his rookie year. Very weak Safety draft class......top to bottom

MichaelWinicki
03-24-2005, 12:51 PM
Woodson was a LB in college and converted to SS. I don't believe he started his rookie year. Very weak Safety draft class......top to bottom


Well Nors let's take the Jackson kid at #42.

Spontae
03-24-2005, 12:55 PM
I cannot help but believe BP will take the best player available in each slot, even if we trade down (or up).

Alexander
03-24-2005, 01:07 PM
We haven't taken a LB in the first round since Kevin Brooks.

I'm not sure we'll go that route this year.

Kevin Brooks was a defensive end.

The last first round linebacker we took was Robert Jones.

Before that it was 1984 with Billy Cannon, Hollywood Henderson in 1975 and then Lee Roy Jordan in 1963.

MichaelWinicki
03-24-2005, 01:10 PM
Kevin Brooks was a defensive end.

The last first round linebacker we took was Robert Jones.

Before that it was 1984 with Billy Cannon, Hollywood Henderson in 1975 and then Lee Roy Jordan in 1963.


Billy Cannon Jr.-- Now there was a 1st class bust.

scottsp
03-24-2005, 01:10 PM
We haven't taken a LB in the first round since Kevin Brooks.

I'm not sure we'll go that route this year.


The last linebacker we took in round one was Robert Jones in 1992. Kevin Brooks was a defensive end. That said, I dunno if any of that will impact what we do this go 'round.

Hoov
03-24-2005, 01:41 PM
Excellent post, your probably right about the drafting.

Eddie
03-24-2005, 02:35 PM
Kevin Brooks was a DE? Man, I can't remember that far back. I just remember Landry touting our highly anticipated flop LB Kevin Brooks. NE made a play for a trade for the guy, but Landry had faith in the guy.

Go figure.

ZiggyZ.
03-24-2005, 02:53 PM
Dargon, I totally agree that trading down for linemen is a very viable strategy. And I wouldn't be upset if we trade down from both of our 1st round picks just for that reason.

ravidubey
03-24-2005, 02:56 PM
Billy Cannon Jr.-- Now there was a 1st class bust.

Though it was an injury and not necessarily his ability. Brandt recovered with Herschel Walker in 1985 and Sherrard in 1986 but the 1980's under Brandt really stunk for Dallas-- but nothing like the last ten years under Jerrah. I'd liken Jeffcoat to Ellis, but the closest Jerry has come close to a Walker or Sherrard was Larry Allen (thanls to Houck).

Chocolate Lab
03-24-2005, 03:02 PM
I agree with you, Ziggy... I think at least one of Spears, Hawthorne, CJ Mosely, Travis Johnson, Luis Castillo, or similar will be a Cowboy. :)

ghst187
03-24-2005, 03:18 PM
Baas is the dude to get at 20 or with a slight trade down, this guy would pick up where Allen left off...a few years ago..
I like Sam Mayes late rounds.
I like Tuck in the second if no Howard...

shnagy
03-24-2005, 11:28 PM
I tend to agree. I would like a playmaking WR but I see the need for depth on the DL especially.

But our 2nd rounder had better be a FS.
You know, some how i forgot all about our safety need. I would have liked for us to sign someone in free agency to fill another one of our holes, but I'm not too sure about the quality of safeties in this draft class. We have so many needs, it will be hard to focus on just the line and nothing else.