Parcells unwilling to label Luck top pick in April's draft

[joseephuss]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824a4603/article/parcells-unwilling-to-label-luck-top-pick-in-aprils-draft

Parcells unwilling to label Luck top pick in April's draft

Bill Parcells isn't riding the Andrew Luck bandwagon. Not yet.

For some time, the Stanford quarterback has been viewed as the undisputable top prize in April's draft, but Parcells -- never one to overvalue passers -- says it's way too early to anoint Luck.

"Anyone who says that this guy is the hands down, Heisman Trophy winner or the first pick in the draft right now, I don't think they know what they are talking about," the decorated former coach told ESPN Radio, via The Palm Beach Post. "There's not been enough work done yet."

[burmafrd]

it is possible he might not be; should have come out last year; he would have been top pick for sure. Honestly, I am not that impressed.

[realtick]

it is possible he might not be; should have come out last year; he would have been top pick for sure. Honestly, I am not that impressed.

....and who would replace him as the #1 overall in this draft?

[casmith07]

Parcells is the same guy that brought in Bledsoe and Testaverde.

[drawnstripes]

who is Parcells

he only drafted two good players

Jake Long and Lawrence Taylor

I would not count on Big Bill to be my draft expert

[drawnstripes]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d824a4603/article/parcells-unwilling-to-label-luck-top-pick-in-aprils-draft

Parcells unwilling to label Luck top pick in April's draft

Bill Parcells isn't riding the Andrew Luck bandwagon. Not yet.

For some time, the Stanford quarterback has been viewed as the undisputable top prize in April's draft, but Parcells -- never one to overvalue passers -- says it's way too early to anoint Luck.

"Anyone who says that this guy is the hands down, Heisman Trophy winner or the first pick in the draft right now, I don't think they know what they are talking about," the decorated former coach told ESPN Radio, via The Palm Beach Post. "There's not been enough work done yet."



:laugh2: :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh1: :laugh2: :laugh1:

[realtick]

In related news, Parcells is still convinced Marcus Spears would have made a better pick at #11 over DeMarcus Ware.

[Hostile]

it is possible he might not be; should have come out last year; he would have been top pick for sure. Honestly, I am not that impressed.You should be. Luck is the most polished QB I have seen since Peyton Manning.

I want his teammate David DeCastro in the 1st.

[The Realist]

who is Parcells

he only drafted two good players

Jake Long and Lawrence Taylor

I would not count on Big Bill to be my draft expert

How did the Giants win two Super Bowls with only 1 good player?

Harry Carson, Simms, Meggett, Bavaro, Erik Howard, Pepper Johnson, Otis Anderson, Bart Oates.

[drawnstripes]

How did the Giants win two Super Bowls with only 1 good player?

Harry Carson, Simms, Meggett, Bavaro, Erik Howard, Pepper Johnson, Otis Anderson, Bart Oates.

well the first one was luck - Norwood missed a field goal

ok an Bill Belichick was not there to help with big Bill with his draft picks on D on 87 team ?

I have no idea who his OC was but he knew how to pick them

big Bill is a worst drafter than I am - he can not see potential

:banghead:

[Hoofbite]

....and who would replace him as the #1 overall in this draft?

Someone who impresses burm more.

[Hoofbite]

who is Parcells

he only drafted two good players

Jake Long and Lawrence Taylor

I would not count on Big Bill to be my draft expert

I'm laughing because you must be joking.

[burmafrd]

I'm laughing because you must be joking.

just another madden wannabe. It is amusing though.

[joseephuss]

How did the Giants win two Super Bowls with only 1 good player?

Harry Carson, Simms, Meggett, Bavaro, Erik Howard, Pepper Johnson, Otis Anderson, Bart Oates.

How much credit does Parcells deserve for those guys becoming Giants? Parcells was not the head coach at the time some of those players like Phil Simms and Lawrence Taylor became Giants. Also, George Young has traditionally been given the credit for building that team as the GM. I bet Parcells had some input even as an assistant coach in getting a few of those players. I doubt he had any input in getting Simms. He and Phil both joined the Giants in 1979.

Based on Parcells own comment that he wasn't allowed to shop for the groceries how much credit does he deserve for the players drafted by the Patriots while he was head coach? It is an interesting question. I am sure he had some influence as the head coach during his time in New England, but not having full personnel decisions is the reason he left. He didn't want Terry Glenn.

[burmafrd]

How much credit does Parcells deserve for those guys becoming Giants? Parcells was not the head coach at the time some of those players like Phil Simms and Lawrence Taylor became Giants. Also, George Young has traditionally been given the credit for building that team as the GM. I bet Parcells had some input even as an assistant coach in getting a few of those players. I doubt he had any input in getting Simms. He and Phil both joined the Giants in 1979.

Based on Parcells own comment that he wasn't allowed to shop for the groceries how much credit does he deserve for the players drafted by the Patriots while he was head coach? It is an interesting question. I am sure he had some influence as the head coach during his time in New England, but not having full personnel decisions is the reason he left. He didn't want Terry Glenn.

depends on the owner/GM. Some listen a lot; some not at all to the coaches.
Terry Glenn was someone I would not have drafted based on how he looked in college; he became a pro while under BP (mind games worked there).

[drawnstripes]

just another madden wannabe. It is amusing though.

ok Burma the is heat getting to you - never had a madden game in my life

I have better things to do with that sit in front of a TV all day long

show me some body better than at picking Dallas picks

2006 1rd Bobbie Carptener

2007 1rd Anthony Spencer

2008
1rd Felix Jones
1rd Mike Jenkins although I had this two switched

2009 3rd Jason Williams

2010 2nd S Lee
4th Akwasi Owusu-Ansah

2011
1rd T Smith
2nd B Carter
6th D Harris although I had us taken him in 4th round

[drawnstripes]

I'm laughing because you must be joking.

what an you want Big Bill to be our Draft expert

[Hoofbite]

what an you want Big Bill to be our Draft expert

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

[drawnstripes]

ah well the Big Fat Fish is a lousy drafter

IMO

[drawnstripes]

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

I have no idea what you are trying to say either

I guess you think Bill was great drafting coach

[xwalker]

You should be. Luck is the most polished QB I have seen since Peyton Manning.

I want his teammate David DeCastro in the 1st.

Would you trade up to get DeCastro?

[drawnstripes]

Would you trade up to get DeCastro?

I would not

JMO

[cruz_aedo861]

I'd would rather have Barkley over luck. If i had the #1 pick i would make a herschel walker trade and stock up on picks

[Arch Stanton]

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

His style reminds me of a poster that used to have Mr Burns as his avatar.

Can't remember the name. What ever happened to him?

[Sarge]

Luck is going to the Colts as the first pick - period.

[burmafrd]

pretty sad- a madden wannabe who supposedly never played madden. Just very sad.

[Hostile]

Would you trade up to get DeCastro?It wouldn't bother me, but we don't have to.

[Bluestang]

I read somewhere that Parcells was trying to get Luck's draft stock to go down so that Miami would get into position to possible get him. However, I think that is just the media's take on that.

As great as a coach Parcells is, he wasn't the only one calling the shots during draft day. I invite you to read this:

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/11/25/2586370/understanding-the-dallas-draft-process

Back to Miami, so what has Parcells done over there for that team? What is that second rounder Pat White up to these days? What about the QB situtation? Proof is in the pudding...

[ninja]

Says the guy who didn't see a star in Ware but saw something in Bobby Carpenter and Spears.

Yeah, OK, Charley Tuna.

Although, I personally don't see what the big deal is with Luck. I don't think he will ever be as good as Marino, Brady, Elway, etc. I don't think Luck will be as good as Cam Newton either.

And, I wouldn't put any money down that Luck will have a better career than Romo after all is said and done.

Who knows? I just don't see Luck as being the best QB of this draft class.

[burmafrd]

I read somewhere that Parcells was trying to get Luck's draft stock to go down so that Miami would get into position to possible get him. However, I think that is just the media's take on that.

As great as a coach Parcells is, he wasn't the only one calling the shots during draft day. I invite you to read this:

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2011/11/25/2586370/understanding-the-dallas-draft-process

Back to Miami, so what has Parcells done over there for that team? What is that second rounder Pat White up to these days? What about the QB situtation? Proof is in the pudding...

Word is that BP pretty much stood back at the draft; but the people he picked did not seem to do too well at picking draft choices.

[burmafrd]

Says the guy who didn't see a star in Ware but saw something in Bobby Carpenter and Spears.

Yeah, OK, Charley Tuna.

Although, I personally don't see what the big deal is with Luck. I don't think he will ever be as good as Marino, Brady, Elway, etc. I don't think Luck will be as good as Cam Newton either.

And, I wouldn't put any money down that Luck will have a better career than Romo after all is said and done.

Who knows? I just don't see Luck as being the best QB of this draft class.

he seemed to think Ware was going to be pretty good; and he was the one that made sure Ware learned the WHOLE game. And show me anyone who really hits all his picks; remember Jimmy? He only hit about 1/3 of his. The big difference was due to the stupidity of the Vikes and others he had SO many picks that even at one third hits he got a lot of them. Oh and remember how we got Emmit by mistake? Jimmy had his eye on someone else who in the end was no big deal. And who was the primary one pushing the drafting of WalsH?

[xwalker]

he seemed to think Ware was going to be pretty good; and he was the one that made sure Ware learned the WHOLE game. And show me anyone who really hits all his picks; remember Jimmy? He only hit about 1/3 of his. The big difference was due to the stupidity of the Vikes and others he had SO many picks that even at one third hits he got a lot of them. Oh and remember how we got Emmit by mistake? Jimmy had his eye on someone else who in the end was no big deal.

Yes, everybody misses on draft picks. The problem with Parcells was the reasons (Ego) that he missed.

He went against scouts on the following players:

Jacob Rogers - Picked him because his Dad was a coach.
Barbie Carpenter - Picked him because his Dad was a player.
Julius Jones - Picked him because Maurice Carthon said he was just as good as Stephen Jackson.

FYI - The player Jimmy wanted was LB James Francis.

[Chocolate Lab]

Well, I'm sure he will be the #1 pick, but I'm glad someone agrees with me that he isn't the guaranteed next Manning, Brady, or Rodgers that so many are claiming.

[burmafrd]

Yes, everybody misses on draft picks. The problem with Parcells was the reasons (Ego) that he missed.

He went against scouts on the following players:

Jacob Rogers - Picked him because his Dad was a coach.
Barbie Carpenter - Picked him because his Dad was a player.
Julius Jones - Picked him because Maurice Carthon said he was just as good as Stephen Jackson.

FYI - The player Jimmy wanted was LB James Francis.

so what were Jimmy's excuses?

[drawnstripes]

Word is that BP pretty much stood back at the draft; but the people he picked did not seem to do too well at picking draft choices.

hm thats why Jerry

2003 draft Newman

The night before the 2003 draft, scouts and personnel people wanted the team to draft Terence Newman, the cornerback from Kansas State, if he was available.

Parcells preferred Oklahoma State defensive tackle Kevin Williams.
Owner/general manager Jerry Jones took Parcells out to dinner and convinced him Newman was the better choice. The next day, Dallas selected Newman as the No. 5 pick in the first round, and he's started every game since.
"It's been off and on," said Larry Lacewell, the Cowboys' retired scouting director, who worked with Parcells in his first two seasons in Dallas. "Under Parcells, it was him. Before, it was scouts and whoever. ... We got Jerry and Stephen [Jones] to take him out and made him mad and told him we're going to take Newman."
Coaches wanting one player and scouts wanting another is a common occurrence in NFL draft rooms.

By CALVIN WATKINS / The Dallas Morning News

[drawnstripes]

Luck is going to the Colts as the first pick - period.

true enuf Sarge

[drawnstripes]

pretty sad- a madden wannabe who supposedly never played madden. Just very sad.

:yousuck: never had the ugre to play games ESP MADDEN

I much rather live life

I know it boring way out there in the Sand Dunes but you must get out more

[junk]

hm thats why Jerry

2003 draft Newman

The night before the 2003 draft, scouts and personnel people wanted the team to draft Terence Newman, the cornerback from Kansas State, if he was available.

Parcells preferred Oklahoma State defensive tackle Kevin Williams.
Owner/general manager Jerry Jones took Parcells out to dinner and convinced him Newman was the better choice. The next day, Dallas selected Newman as the No. 5 pick in the first round, and he's started every game since.
"It's been off and on," said Larry Lacewell, the Cowboys' retired scouting director, who worked with Parcells in his first two seasons in Dallas. "Under Parcells, it was him. Before, it was scouts and whoever. ... We got Jerry and Stephen [Jones] to take him out and made him mad and told him we're going to take Newman."
Coaches wanting one player and scouts wanting another is a common occurrence in NFL draft rooms.

By CALVIN WATKINS / The Dallas Morning News

Parcells had his fair share of draft gaffes, no doubt about it.

However, Kevin Williams over Newman was the right call. Williams has tailed off later in his career, but he was a terror early on.

Newman has been solid, but personally I don't think he's ever been anything special. I know there will be people that disagree with that, but Williams was a 5x All Pro, 6x Pro Bowler and part of the All Decade team. Newman has never been an All Pro and only made the Pro Bowl twice.

Beyond that, I'll never understand the desire from some Cowboys fans to totally discredit Parcells any chance they get. He literally turned this franchise around. I guess if you like 5-11 seasons, then discrediting Parcells time in Dallas is probably a worthwhile exercise. Otherwise, it just seems silly.

[realtick]

Well, I'm sure he will be the #1 pick, but I'm glad someone agrees with me that he isn't the guaranteed next Manning, Brady, or Rodgers that so many are claiming.

Way to go out on a limb there, as if gauranteeing Luck as the next Peyton Manning means anything in reality anyways.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I like the part where he brought in our 3 best players and at least 1 HOF'er in Ware

Parcells had his fair share of draft gaffes, no doubt about it.

However, Kevin Williams over Newman was the right call. Williams has tailed off later in his career, but he was a terror early on.

Newman has been solid, but personally I don't think he's ever been anything special. I know there will be people that disagree with that, but Williams was a 5x All Pro, 6x Pro Bowler and part of the All Decade team. Newman has never been an All Pro and only made the Pro Bowl twice.

Beyond that, I'll never understand the desire from some Cowboys fans to totally discredit Parcells any chance they get. He literally turned this franchise around. I guess if you like 5-11 seasons, then discrediting Parcells time in Dallas is probably a worthwhile exercise. Otherwise, it just seems silly.

[burmafrd]

its like those that have said BP never won anything with out Bellicek.

Well what has Bellicek won since Crennel and Weis left?

[Hoofbite]

its like those that have said BP never won anything with out Bellicek.

Well what has Bellicek won since Crennel and Weis left?

I think the waterboy was the key to all their success.

Bill P, Bill B and all others from that tree. Payton......ALL OF EM.

They all had the same waterboy.

True story.

[burmafrd]

I think the waterboy was the key to all their success.

Bill P, Bill B and all others from that tree. Payton......ALL OF EM.

They all had the same waterboy.

True story.

you never know

[Hoofbite]

you never know

Yeah, I made all that up.

Figured it was just as valid.

[realtick]

its like those that have said BP never won anything with out Bellicek.

Well what has Bellicek won since Crennel and Weis left?

Better question, what have Crennel or Weis won without Bellicek.

You're done.

[junk]

His style reminds me of a poster that used to have Mr Burns as his avatar.

Can't remember the name. What ever happened to him?

UnoDallas, maybe? I thought he was banned. I suspect this is the same guy with a new user name.

[burmafrd]

Better question, what have Crennel or Weis won without Bellicek.

You're done.

well you think its a better question; that is your opinion.

It comes down quite often to how good your staff is. Clearly Bellicek has not been able to build a staff as good as his first group. And remember that he failed as coach of the Browns before he became coach of the Pats.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

And all it took was 1,000 mocks to hit on 7 names in 5 years

ok Burma the is heat getting to you - never had a madden game in my life

I have better things to do with that sit in front of a TV all day long

show me some body better than at picking Dallas picks

2006 1rd Bobbie Carptener

2007 1rd Anthony Spencer

2008
1rd Felix Jones
1rd Mike Jenkins although I had this two switched

2009 3rd Jason Williams

2010 2nd S Lee
4th Akwasi Owusu-Ansah

2011
1rd T Smith
2nd B Carter
6th D Harris although I had us taken him in 4th round

[Chocolate Lab]

Parcells had his fair share of draft gaffes, no doubt about it.

However, Kevin Williams over Newman was the right call. Williams has tailed off later in his career, but he was a terror early on.

Let's be fair and point out that Parcells would've taken Dwayne Robertson if he had his pick of all three.

Way to go out on a limb there, as if gauranteeing Luck as the next Peyton Manning means anything in reality anyways.

There's a little exaggeration there, but not much. Everyone has heard Luck proclaimed as the next megastar NFL QB.

[Hostile]

There's a little exaggeration there, but not much. Everyone has heard Luck proclaimed as the next megastar NFL QB.Are you on record as saying he will not be?

[xwalker]

so what were Jimmy's excuses?

Jimmy's players won 3 Super Bowls in 6 years. I've never tried to determine why he missed on a few picks.