Palmer: I Understand What Cowboys' Garrett Was Thinking

[Dough Boy]

PALMER: I UNDERSTAND WHAT COWBOYS' GARRETT WAS THINKING

JESSE PALMER
12/6/2011 12:25:32 PM

I understand what Garrett was thinking. His field goal team was having issues getting lined up while the clock was winding down, and Garrett wanted a clean attempt, and therefore called a time-out to give his field goal unit its best opportunity.

Again, I see Garrett's logic. Arizona's run defence was stifling all day. The Cowboys' longest run of the day was 11 yards, and they had been held to negative yardage a couple of times. Garrett didn't want to chance running the football into another run blitz and risk adding distance to the field goal.

Head coaching decisions are no different than any other decision we make in our day-to-day lives. Sometimes you guess right, other times you guess wrong. Having played with Jason in New York, I can tell you he's the type of coach that will have owned up to his mistake in front of his players after the game, and his team will respect him more because of it. The Cowboys didn't lose because of Garrett's decision.

http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=382094

[Stautner]

PALMER: I UNDERSTAND WHAT COWBOYS' GARRETT WAS THINKING

JESSE PALMER
12/6/2011 12:25:32 PM

I understand what Garrett was thinking. His field goal team was having issues getting lined up while the clock was winding down, and Garrett wanted a clean attempt, and therefore called a time-out to give his field goal unit its best opportunity.

Again, I see Garrett's logic. Arizona's run defence was stifling all day. The Cowboys' longest run of the day was 11 yards, and they had been held to negative yardage a couple of times. Garrett didn't want to chance running the football into another run blitz and risk adding distance to the field goal.

Head coaching decisions are no different than any other decision we make in our day-to-day lives. Sometimes you guess right, other times you guess wrong. Having played with Jason in New York, I can tell you he's the type of coach that will have owned up to his mistake in front of his players after the game, and his team will respect him more because of it. The Cowboys didn't lose because of Garrett's decision.

http://www.tsn.ca/nfl/story/?id=382094

I too see what Garrett was thinking, and I understand that he was worried about being too rushed to get off a good kick, but the fault was in the fact Garrett didn't recognize earlier that it would be an issue, and instead he let it drag down to the last second before calling the timeout. It's Garrett's job to understand what is going on and make smarter, quicker decisions. Had he called the timeout earlier, or even immediatedly after the completion to Dez, which would have made a lot of sense, then there would have been no issue with him calling the timeout.

[Jimz31]

Sounds like he just listened to JG's PC is all......McBriar stated that when he looked back to Bailey that there were 8 seconds on the clock....5 seconds when he went to take the ball....wasn't rushed.

[playmakers]

I have no problem calling a timeout because you think your team is not set up. HOWEVER, 27 seconds and a first down to sit on the ball is INEXCUSABLE. I can see if it was 3rd down. I don't recall when a 48 yard fg was a chip shot. You need to let Tony win or lose the game for you.

[Hostile]

Had the kick sailed through the uprights, this week's storm would be a few minor sprinkles.

I hate Kickers. 2 misses and a doink make.

I knew he was going to miss. I just knew it.

[bbgun]

Jesse Palmer? That pretty boy reality star? Now I'm convinced.

[Dough Boy]

I have no problem calling a timeout because you think your team is not set up. HOWEVER, 27 seconds and a first down to sit on the ball is INEXCUSABLE. I can see if it was 3rd down. I don't recall when a 48 yard fg was a chip shot. You need to let Tony win or lose the game for you.

Were you saying that after the Jets and Lions loss.

For the record, I didn't agree with letting the clock burn down, but I do understand why Garrett made his decision.

[Dhragon]

When a coach goes against what almost every other coach would do in a certain situation and the result of that decision results in a loss, that coach will be held accountable. Especially when that coach has been known for his questionable calls already.

I also understand WHY Red did what he did. But there is a reason 99% of the time coaches will not do what Red did in that situation, past experiences dictate the best approach, and Red's was not it.

[The30YardSlant]

So Jimmy Johnson's opinions on Romo are idiotic and absurd, but an NFL flame-out and reality TV star is spot on with his coaching analysis?

I love this place. There is absolutely no shame to be found.

:laugh2:

[Dough Boy]

When a coach goes against what almost every other coach would do in a certain situation and the result of that decision results in a loss, that coach will be held accountable. Especially when that coach has been known for his questionable calls already.

I also understand WHY Red did what he did. But there is a reason 99% of the time coaches will not do what Red did in that situation, past experiences dictate the best approach, and Red's was not it.

I get part of what you are saying, but here is where you lose me,

"experiences dictate the best approach,".

We did the same thing against the skins and won. Would that not be past experience?

[Doomsday101]

When a coach goes against what almost every other coach would do in a certain situation and the result of that decision results in a loss, that coach will be held accountable. Especially when that coach has been known for his questionable calls already.

I also understand WHY Red did what he did. But there is a reason 99% of the time coaches will not do what Red did in that situation, past experiences dictate the best approach, and Red's was not it.

He is accoutable no matter what call was made. He made the call he made you live with it you move on.

I'm sure 99% of the coaches would not go for it on a 4th and 2 from their own 30 with a little over 2 min to go and a 6 point lead. Belicheck did yet never felt the need to say he was sorry or he made a mistake. He made the call he felt was right and it ended up being wrong.

[Jimz31]

The PC yesterday would have been over a lot sooner had JG just adnitted to a screw up....the media today also wouldn't be so focused on it.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

So Jimmy Johnson's opinions on Romo are idiotic and absurd, but an NFL flame-out and reality TV star is spot on with his coaching analysis?

I love this place. There is absolutely no shame to be found.

:laugh2:

Are you denying Jimmy is an idiot? I mean the dude claimed Romo needs to be like Josh Freeman. I mean seriously how dumb can a guy be? :laugh2:

[Dough Boy]

So Jimmy Johnson's opinions on Romo are idiotic and absurd, but an NFL flame-out and reality TV star is spot on with his coaching analysis?

I love this place. There is absolutely no shame to be found.

:laugh2:

Where did I call JJ's opinion idiotic? And what does a flame-out has to do with one person's point of view. So a bad NFL player has no voice.

You are right, no shame to be found....

Just for the record, Palmer is a better NFL player than you, so by your logic...... you should stop posting your analysis. All this coming from a person that thinks a 30-yard route is a slant......... No shame I say..... None in this place.

[The30YardSlant]

Are you denying Jimmy is an idiot? I mean the dude claimed Romo needs to be like Josh Freeman. I mean seriously how dumb can a guy be? :laugh2:

I just find it funny that the validity of one's opinion is directly tied to whether or not you agree with them around here, and there is no consistency from one discussion to another. If Lombardi walked out of his grave and said he didnt feel that Garrett was a good coach and that God himself feels the same way, we would instantly have a bunch of atheists around here calling Lombardi an idiot.

[The30YardSlant]

Where did I call JJ's opinion idiotic? And what does a flame-out has to do with one person's point of view. So a bad NFL player has no voice.

You are right, no shame to be found....

Just for the record, Palmer is a better NFL player than you, so by your logic...... you should stop posting your analysis. All this coming from a person that thinks a 30-yard route is a slant......... No shame I say..... None in this place.

I wasnt speaking specifically to you. And yes, Jesse Palmer knows more than me, but people arent publishing my thoughts.

[casmith07]

What hurts the most is that despite the coaching staff's thought that it wasn't a clean play, it was a perfect snap, hold, and kick right down the center of the uprights.

That's what hurts the most. Who cares if Bailey missed the 2nd one -- he made it and was "iced." That's all anyone will remember and it also doesn't matter how we lost, a Loss is a Loss.

[Doomsday101]

I wasnt speaking specifically to you. And yes, Jesse Palmer knows more than me, but people arent publishing my thoughts.

actually I am, I'm putting the best of The30yardslant comments into a book I'm writing. :laugh2:

Just kidding.

I listen to alot of different views from former coaches and players and while I may not agree with each of them (hell often they don't agree with each other) on a topic I listen to what they have to say.

However these are all still opinions and every coach out there even Jimmy has made calls that people have questioned.

It is part of the deal when you are a HC you will make calls and when things do not work out people who cover the game and fans will question your call.

[Dough Boy]

I wasnt speaking specifically to you. And yes, Jesse Palmer knows more than me, but people arent publishing my thoughts.

While they are not published, they are on display for all to see and judge; just as Palmers are.

I've said this 50 times today, I did not agree with the decision to allow the clock to run down; however I'm mature enough (not many of this board can say that) to allow for another person to have a different opinion and also not think that I'm always right.

I would have called a TO. Re-grouped. And moved forward.

Garrett had other thoughts. As I've gotten older I've learned its not always about the end result but rather a repeatable 'process'. Garrett stuck to his process. After I heard his interview, which is all the information that I had to go on, I totally understand why he did what he did. Whether I agree or not is immaterial. I'm old school; I understand his thought process and logic.

If you are smart as you say you are, you will admit, that his logic is sound. The results are not what any fan wanted, but the process he used is pure.

[The30YardSlant]

His logic makes sense if we didnt have a solid QB or running back. Romo has been making clutch plays with few mistakes for the last five games, why not let him go move you down the feild? He had JUST made a huge completion to get them into FG range the play before.

[Idgit]

What hurts the most is that despite the coaching staff's thought that it wasn't a clean play, it was a perfect snap, hold, and kick right down the center of the uprights.

That's what hurts the most. Who cares if Bailey missed the 2nd one -- he made it and was "iced." That's all anyone will remember and it also doesn't matter how we lost, a Loss is a Loss.

That doesn't actually hurt me at all. We called a TO, and he went through with the practice kick. I'm glad he made the practice one, anyway. But we had a reason to call a timeout, and that's what our coaches chose to do. I can live with that, just fine.

Re: 'icing,' the guy had been 'iced' before each of the previous game winners he'd kicked, and then went out and booted it through for the win. I don't believe he got the yips just because we made him wait. He just missed it. That's what happens from 49 yards out much of the time.

What bugs me is that we didn't run it one more time to give ourselves the chance to get closer. That's the only coaching decision I really had a problem with.

[Dough Boy]

His logic makes sense if we didnt have a solid QB or running back. Romo has been making clutch plays with few mistakes for the last five games, why not let him go move you down the feild? He had JUST made a huge completion to get them into FG range the play before.

The numerous negative plays should not factor into the equation. The fact that we did not have an answer for the run blitz nor the pass blitz should not be allowed in as evidence.

Last week is last week bro. Focus on this game. Their Def outclassed our Offense.

[Dough Boy]

What bugs me is that we didn't run it one more time to give ourselves the chance to get closer. That's the only coaching decision I really had a problem with.

On this we can agree. If I were HC, we would have ran one more play. While I do understand his logic, I would have ran the ball once more. That being said, we didn't lose the game there. We lost the game becasue we played like crap on both sides of the ball most of the day, esp on offense. All the good field position that we waisted on the 1st half of play.

[Risen Star]

I understand what he was thinking too. I understood it before his explanation on Monday.

If Bailey doesn't decide to follow through with the play after the whistle nobody's talking about him icing his own kicker. The play was rushed and the timeout was made well before the snap. It's unfortunate for us how it turned out but it wasn't exactly the worst. coaching. decision. ever. like I've been reading.

And forgive me for setting unreasonable expectations but I expect my kicker to make that kick again anyway. It was makeable. You just drilled it with ease. The failure is on you the kicker for missing it and not the head coach for calling a timeout ahead of time.

[Stautner]

I understand what he was thinking too. I understood it before his explanation on Monday.

If Bailey doesn't decide to follow through with the play after the whistle nobody's talking about him icing his own kicker. The play was rushed and the timeout was made well before the snap. It's unfortunate for us how it turned out but it wasn't exactly the worst. coaching. decision. ever. like I've been reading.

And forgive me for setting unreasonable expectations but I expect my kicker to make that kick again anyway. It was makeable. You just drilled it with ease. The failure is on you the kicker for missing it and not the head coach for calling a timeout ahead of time.

I partly agree about Garrett, and agree completely about Bailey. I understand why Garrett called the timeout, but while he may have called the timeout with sufficient time that the play could have been stopped before kicking the ball, he still should have recognized the situation much sooner and never put Bailey in the position of going out there and getting his mind set for the kick only to have it pulled from under him. The timeout should have been called much sooner so that Bailey would only have to get into that mindset once, rather than having to refocus again. Nevertheless, you are right that it is Bailey's job to make that FG anyway, and it was a makeable FG.

[birdwells1]

Had the kick sailed through the uprights, this week's storm would be a few minor sprinkles.

I hate Kickers. 2 misses and a doink make.

I knew he was going to miss. I just knew it.

Yeah but it would've reared its head at another time, imo. The kick sailing through doesn't mean not calling a to with 25 seconds left was the right thing to do.

[nalam]

Had the kick sailed through the uprights, this week's storm would be a few minor sprinkles.

I hate Kickers. 2 misses and a doink make.

I knew he was going to miss. I just knew it.

He was due for a miss, no kicker is going to make 100% of the kicks , but to be fair, look at the kicks , 53 yard, 50 yard and 49 yards ( no gimme's )

Also Mcbriar holds were not so good (as good as Mcbriar prior injury )

:)

[birdwells1]

He is accoutable no matter what call was made. He made the call he made you live with it you move on.

I'm sure 99% of the coaches would not go for it on a 4th and 2 from their own 30 with a little over 2 min to go and a 6 point lead. Belicheck did yet never felt the need to say he was sorry or he made a mistake. He made the call he felt was right and it ended up being wrong.

Yeah, that's because like Belicheck, all Garrett has to do is show you his 3 Super Bowl rings to shut the media up. Garrett hasn't done enough good yet to out weigh his poor decisions, when he gets a Lombardi then maybe.

[Hostile]

I understand what he was thinking too. I understood it before his explanation on Monday.

If Bailey doesn't decide to follow through with the play after the whistle nobody's talking about him icing his own kicker. The play was rushed and the timeout was made well before the snap. It's unfortunate for us how it turned out but it wasn't exactly the worst. coaching. decision. ever. like I've been reading.

And forgive me for setting unreasonable expectations but I expect my kicker to make that kick again anyway. It was makeable. You just drilled it with ease. The failure is on you the kicker for missing it and not the head coach for calling a timeout ahead of time.:post:

[Mattb_25]

Had the kick sailed through the uprights, this week's storm would be a few minor sprinkles.

I hate Kickers. 2 misses and a doink make.

I knew he was going to miss. I just knew it.

Which makes it even more mind blowing that Garrett had so much confidence in Bailey to make a 49 yard FG. It was clear that Bailey was having an off day. And to not EVEN attempt to get a few more yards just doesn't make sense. I honestly would have rather seen us to go OT by losing a few yards and not getting to attempt a FG, instead of JG quitting on his offense and settling for that 49 yard FG. :banghead: :banghead:

But I was thinking earlier, wasn't JG in this same situation against the Dolphins? But instead, wasn't he trying to get extra yardage for a closer FG at the end of that Dolphins game?

[ternewt24]

I understand what Garrett was thinking. His field goal team was having issues getting lined up while the clock was winding down, and Garrett wanted a clean attempt, and therefore called a time-out to give his field goal unit its best opportunity.

Again, I see Garrett's logic. Arizona's run defence was stifling all day. The Cowboys' longest run of the day was 11 yards, and they had been held to negative yardage a couple of times. Garrett didn't want to chance running the football into another run blitz and risk adding distance to the field goal.

Head coaching decisions are no different than any other decision we make in our day-to-day lives. Sometimes you guess right, other times you guess wrong. Having played with Jason in New York, I can tell you he's the type of coach that will have owned up to his mistake in front of his players after the game, and his team will respect him more because of it. The Cowboys didn't lose because of Garrett's decision.





I understand haveing to make quick decision and trying to be sure your team is set. But you got to admit, it gets a little tiresome that almost every week there is an excuse for something Garrett has done. At what point do excuses stop and just start standing up to the fact that Garrett cant coach and run offense!! We need a change, whether its a new Offensive cordinator or what, something got to change. seem to be wasteing some good talent on this team!
Just my perspective!!

[Frozen700]

So Jimmy Johnson's opinions on Romo are idiotic and absurd, but an NFL flame-out and reality TV star is spot on with his coaching analysis?

I love this place. There is absolutely no shame to be found.

:laugh2:

I mean it is a cowboys message board. But i agree

But i also believe Jimmy is a damn fool

[Fletch]

So Jimmy Johnson's opinions on Romo are idiotic and absurd, but an NFL flame-out and reality TV star is spot on with his coaching analysis?

I love this place. There is absolutely no shame to be found.

:laugh2:

People are going to agree with whatever suits their agenda. That's cool. But regardless who is agreeing with Jason or disagreeing, that is now a moot point. Time to move on.

[Eskimo]

Which makes it even more mind blowing that Garrett had so much confidence in Bailey to make a 49 yard FG. It was clear that Bailey was having an off day. And to not EVEN attempt to get a few more yards just doesn't make sense. I honestly would have rather seen us to go OT by losing a few yards and not getting to attempt a FG, instead of JG quitting on his offense and settling for that 49 yard FG. :banghead: :banghead:

But I was thinking earlier, wasn't JG in this same situation against the Dolphins? But instead, wasn't he trying to get extra yardage for a closer FG at the end of that Dolphins game?

The diff was we could run the ball against the Dolphins.

The second difference is there was a lot of time left on the clock against the Dolphins once we were in FG range. We just kept running the ball to run out the time clock.

The situations were not similar at all.

JG will always be plagued with making such calls against a physical DL so long as he goes into battle with this OL. They struggled mightily against the Cards and this was obvious to anyone who watched the game.

[juck]

Had the kick sailed through the uprights, this week's storm would be a few minor sprinkles.

I hate Kickers. 2 misses and a doink make.

I knew he was going to miss. I just knew it.
Exactly. Either or, the dude should have made the kick and nobody is concerned with that fact.

[Bigdog]

Had the kick sailed through the uprights, this week's storm would be a few minor sprinkles.

I hate Kickers. 2 misses and a doink make.

I knew he was going to miss. I just knew it.

You might hate kickers but Bailey has made some crucial kicks for us to win this year. We might be 5-7 instead of 7-5 if it weren't for him making those clutch kicks.

[Joe Rod]

That doesn't actually hurt me at all. We called a TO, and he went through with the practice kick. I'm glad he made the practice one, anyway. But we had a reason to call a timeout, and that's what our coaches chose to do. I can live with that, just fine.

Re: 'icing,' the guy had been 'iced' before each of the previous game winners he'd kicked, and then went out and booted it through for the win. I don't believe he got the yips just because we made him wait. He just missed it. That's what happens from 49 yards out much of the time.

What bugs me is that we didn't run it one more time to give ourselves the chance to get closer. That's the only coaching decision I really had a problem with.

Yeah, I have to agree with this. That FG was not a "gimmie" by any means. He had already missed one and barely got in another.

[JIMMYBUFFETT]

That doesn't actually hurt me at all. We called a TO, and he went through with the practice kick. I'm glad he made the practice one, anyway. But we had a reason to call a timeout, and that's what our coaches chose to do. I can live with that, just fine.

Re: 'icing,' the guy had been 'iced' before each of the previous game winners he'd kicked, and then went out and booted it through for the win. I don't believe he got the yips just because we made him wait. He just missed it. That's what happens from 49 yards out much of the time.

What bugs me is that we didn't run it one more time to give ourselves the chance to get closer. That's the only coaching decision I really had a problem with.

Yeah, dead on post. I've got no problem with the TO, especially when your special teams coach is in your ear calling for it. I don't have a problem with spiking the ball and keeping TOs in your pocket. I do have major issue with not running up the middle, trying to get Bailey a few yards closer, and still being able to kill the clock with a TO. That was just awful! And for what it's worth...I thik Jesse Palmer is the best commentator in sports right now. The guy is knowledgable, well spoken, and unbiased. He and Kirk Herbstreit are two of the few things ESPN has done right.