Eagles’ Jackson scaring off prospective teams

[BrAinPaiNt]

LINK (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_direct_snap_desean_jackson_free_agency_eagles _120611)

Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson(notes) has almost gotten to the point that he is radioactive. That’s not good for a pending unrestricted free agent looking to cash in big time during the offseason.

While no one with Jackson’s immense talent is ever completely untouchable, five NFL team personnel executives interviewed by Yahoo! Sports said they would have no interest in pursuing him. Two of the executives’ opinions were strengthened following Jackson’s alarming display Thursday night in which he essentially quit on the Eagles.

[Sonny#9]

LINK (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-cole_direct_snap_desean_jackson_free_agency_eagles _120611)

Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver DeSean Jackson(notes) has almost gotten to the point that he is radioactive. That’s not good for a pending unrestricted free agent looking to cash in big time during the offseason.

While no one with Jackson’s immense talent is ever completely untouchable, five NFL team personnel executives interviewed by Yahoo! Sports said they would have no interest in pursuing him. Two of the executives’ opinions were strengthened following Jackson’s alarming display Thursday night in which he essentially quit on the Eagles.

I'd still sign him. He still provides that game-breaking ability so many teams are so sorely lacking.

[Risen Star]

Yeah his own stupidity has made a bad situation worse. I was fully on his side in his dispute with the Eagles but sleepwalking through the season and letting his teammates down is just inexcusable.

He's a buyer beware high risk and reward. He could dominate once he's paid but he also can easily shut it down at the first sign of adversity.

Not to mention he's a constant physical risk. The guy's built like an NFL kicker.

I don't want the Cowboys to sign him, but I certainly want him to leave Philadelphia.

[Dough Boy]

I'd still sign him. He still provides that game-breaking ability so many teams are so sorely lacking.

You have "Triple A" as a deep threat and no QB to get him the ball down field consistently. Imagine Jackson in that locker room and no QB to get him the ball. The money you will have to invest to get this guy coupled with his bad attitude will go over lovely. I hope you land him.

[Doomsday101]

I would make sure I protected myself if I was a GM looking to sign him. Kid has great talent but his actions can also cause problems on a team. There is a reason he dropped to the 2nd rd and a reason Philly did not just jump up and give him the contract he wanted.

[Sonny#9]

I would make sure I protected myself if I was a GM looking to sign him. Kid has great talent but his actions can also cause problems on a team. There is a reason he dropped to the 2nd rd and a reason Philly did not just jump up and give him the contract he wanted.

Not to excuse his actions Thursday night -- but I understand his resentment. They went and spent a boat load on free-agents, but did not take care of their own. Jackson, at least at the start of the season, deserved to be taken care of. He's played his way out of Philly. One more reason the Cerrato School of Team Building is an utter failure -- year in and year out -- every team that goes on the FA spending spree fails.

His talent is undeniable, as is his baggage. Someone said it above -- he could very well pull a Haynesworth -- loaf once he get paid. However, an incentive laden contract might motivate him properly.

[BraveHeartFan]

He's got a lot of talent. I don't think anyone denies that.

His ten cent brain he brings with it is not worth the talent.

[tyke1doe]

We have enough problems handling time outs.
Why would we want to handle DeSean Jackson?

P.S., The above is not directed to any poster in particular.

[Doomsday101]

Not to excuse his actions Thursday night -- but I understand his resentment. They went and spent a boat load on free-agents, but did not take care of their own. Jackson, at least at the start of the season, deserved to be taken care of. He's played his way out of Philly. One more reason the Cerrato School of Team Building is an utter failure -- year in and year out -- every team that goes on the FA spending spree fails.

His talent is undeniable, as is his baggage. Someone said it above -- he could very well pull a Haynesworth -- loaf once he get paid. However, an incentive laden contract might motivate him properly.

I understand that but as Irvin and Sharpe both said playing like a Professional is something you do all the time.

Irvin wanted Jerry Rice Money and Jones did not give that to Irvin right away but Mike did not pout or slack off he went out and put Jerry Rice numbers up. Having a guy who has an attitude problem when he does not like something is not the guy I want.

Great Talent he has no clue as to what a Professional is

[Idgit]

I hate, hate, hate the guy. But he changes what a defense does. The pressure he puts on intermediate coverage is unbelievable. So much so, that I'd consider a two year deal with two big annual payments and a club option on year three. He's the kind of player the Pats surprise everyone by taking a shot on.

[Doomsday101]

I hate, hate, hate the guy. But he changes what a defense does. The pressure he puts on intermediate coverage is unbelievable. So much so, that I'd consider a two year deal with two big annual payments and a club option on year three. He's the kind of player the Pats surprise everyone by taking a shot on.

I don't know about that. Guys like Moss they brought in they did with smaller contracts same with Ocho who is not done much in NE. Meantime they have guys who may not have that same talent but hussle are team players and make things happen. Like Wes Welker.

What I see in NE outside of Tom Brady there are not major super stars heck many of these guys where not seen as top athletes coming into the NFL. Great teams do not need idiots they need team players who are willing to put it on the line every week

[stasheroo]

I would make sure I protected myself if I was a GM looking to sign him. Kid has great talent but his actions can also cause problems on a team. There is a reason he dropped to the 2nd rd and a reason Philly did not just jump up and give him the contract he wanted.

To be brutally honest - and I know set myself up for criticism - I would sign the guy to a two year, incentive-laden deal. He would get paid, and I would have safeguards for poor behavior.

I think he would be a tremendous resource for this team, in both the passing and punt return games.

His physical gifts are rare and he takes the lid off of any defense he plays. Not only does he provide a deep threat, but he opens things up for the rest of the offense.

His actions are inexcuseable and I believe that he has done great harm to his marketability, but if I could get him on an incentive-laden deal (maybe similar to Owens' original contract), I would strongly consider it.

[burmafrd]

sooner or later he is going to get busted in two pieces. Just a matter of time.

Add that to his ten cent head and no smart team should put any reliance on him or spend any real money on him.

[Idgit]

I don't know about that. Guys like Moss they brought in they did with smaller contracts same with Ocho who is not done much in NE. Meantime they have guys who may not have that same talent but hussle are team players and make things happen. Like Wes Welker.

What I see in NE outside of Tom Brady there are not major super stars heck many of these guys where not seen as top athletes coming into the NFL. Great teams do not need idiots they need team players who are willing to put it on the line every week

Moss is actually the comparison I was thinking of. He changed the offense there in the way Jackson can for somebody. He just gets further downfield faster than everyone and stretches underneath coverage so much. That would make our TEs, RBs, and Dez impossible to cover adequately.

He needs money badly, so you have to give him a deal he'll be content with. Just like we did with the first TO deal. Big money, doled out annually.

I'm not saying 'do it.' I get that the guy is poison. But a small dose of poison sure looks tempting when you think about what else it could do for this offense.

[Idgit]

To be brutally honest - and I know set myself up for criticism - I would sign the guy to a two year, incentive-laden deal. He would get paid, and I would have safeguards for poor behavior.

I think he would be a tremendous resource for this team, in both the passing and punt return games.

His physical gifts are rare and he takes the lid off of any defense he plays. Not only does he provide a deep threat, but he opens things up for the rest of the offense.

His actions are inexcuseable and I believe that he has done great harm to his marketability, but if I could get him on an incentive-laden deal (maybe similar to Owens' original contract), I would strongly consider it.

Heh. .

[Doomsday101]

To be brutally honest - and I know set myself up for criticism - I would sign the guy to a two year, incentive-laden deal. He would get paid, and I would have safeguards for poor behavior.

I think he would be a tremendous resource for this team, in both the passing and punt return games.

His physical gifts are rare and he takes the lid off of any defense he plays. Not only does he provide a deep threat, but he opens things up for the rest of the offense.

His actions are inexcuseable and I believe that he has done great harm to his marketability, but if I could get him on an incentive-laden deal (maybe similar to Owens' original contract), I would strongly consider it.

I would go with one of many top WR coming into the league not someone else’s headache. Jackson has talent no doubt but he is not the only WR who has talent and more young kids are on their way. If I have to go through incentive laden and keeping a close eye on him he is not worth the time.

[Doomsday101]

Moss is actually the comparison I was thinking of. He changed the offense there in the way Jackson can for somebody. He just gets further downfield faster than everyone and stretches underneath coverage so much. That would make our TEs, RBs, and Dez impossible to cover adequately.

He needs money badly, so you have to give him a deal he'll be content with. Just like we did with the first TO deal. Big money, doled out annually.

I'm not saying 'do it.' I get that the guy is poison. But a small dose of poison sure looks tempting when you think about what else it could do for this offense.

No I wouldn't maybe if there was never going to be a top WR coming to the NFL but look around there are many young kids coming into the NFL right now that are better than Jackson without the baggage. Maybe he needs to know that he is not all that and there are others who have as much talent if not more.

[Idgit]

No I wouldn't maybe if there was never going to be a top WR coming to the NFL but look around there are many young kids coming into the NFL right now that are better than Jackson without the baggage. Maybe he needs to know that he is not all that and there are others who have as much talent if not more.

But Jackson doesn't require a draft pick.

Fundamentally I agree. He's more likely Pacman Jones than he is Randy Moss. But he is good enough to be tempting as a street FA.

[Risen Star]

I think people are kidding themselves if you think you can get Jackson for a 2 or 3 year incentive laden deal. He's gonna sign a long term contract at top money. I'm sure it's a shallower pool of teams that will be interested after his antics this year but there will still be enough interest for that to happen.

He's got Washington Redskin written all over him.

[Joe Realist]

The Eagles will chalk this up as a lost year, franchise him then extend him near midseason of 2012.

[Doomsday101]

But Jackson doesn't require a draft pick.

Fundamentally I agree. He's more likely Pacman Jones than he is Randy Moss. But he is good enough to be tempting as a street FA.

I have had my fill of guys like that. Talent but his actions hurt the team in the long run. There are young kids coming into the NFL if I was going grab a WR I would do it through the draft not a problem player another team is getting sick of.

No doubt someone will get him, good luck

[Dallas]

Not to excuse his actions Thursday night -- but I understand his resentment. They went and spent a boat load on free-agents, but did not take care of their own. Jackson, at least at the start of the season, deserved to be taken care of. He's played his way out of Philly. One more reason the Cerrato School of Team Building is an utter failure -- year in and year out -- every team that goes on the FA spending spree fails.

His talent is undeniable, as is his baggage. Someone said it above -- he could very well pull a Haynesworth -- loaf once he get paid. However, an incentive laden contract might motivate him properly.


I stopped reading right there. You completely contradict your first statement. You don't want to excuse his actions but you do? :rolleyes:

[yimyammer]

To be brutally honest - and I know set myself up for criticism - I would sign the guy to a two year, incentive-laden deal. He would get paid, and I would have safeguards for poor behavior.

I think he would be a tremendous resource for this team, in both the passing and punt return games.

His physical gifts are rare and he takes the lid off of any defense he plays. Not only does he provide a deep threat, but he opens things up for the rest of the offense.

His actions are inexcuseable and I believe that he has done great harm to his marketability, but if I could get him on an incentive-laden deal (maybe similar to Owens' original contract), I would strongly consider it.

I was thinking the same thing but was dreaming about a one year deal with decent guaranteed money plus incentives and trying to sell him on the opportunity to lock up some $$ while getting a chance twice a year to stick it to the Eagles and then uses the fame of the Cowboys to get a big contract with some other team the following year

[BrAinPaiNt]

There are a few problems with even considering signing him.

First he is going to want to get paid BIG. He is not looking to sign some incentive laden contract with small guaranteed/yearly salaries.

Second he has a 10 cent head to go with that talent and you don't want that attitude rubbing off on other players or making other players mad.

Third even if you got him for some crazy reduced price...you can bet he would not be happy about not getting the amount of money he wants and would continue the act he is currently doing in Philly.

Last...It is hard to trust someone like him. It is even more of a risk because it is the type of the player where you can start to get used to the big plays he makes, start relying on him and than he starts acting up and you are caught short of a WR and ST player.

He is the classic type of player you should stay away from and also the classic type of player that "Bad" Jerry used to like to bring in but would always get burned by in the end.

Pass Pass Pass. Jerry and company were right to flag him during the draft and they should not bring him in. Again this would be the type of move that "Bad" Jerry would make ala Pac Man.

[RoyTheHammer]

Not to excuse his actions Thursday night -- but I understand his resentment. They went and spent a boat load on free-agents, but did not take care of their own. Jackson, at least at the start of the season, deserved to be taken care of. He's played his way out of Philly. One more reason the Cerrato School of Team Building is an utter failure -- year in and year out -- every team that goes on the FA spending spree fails.

His talent is undeniable, as is his baggage. Someone said it above -- he could very well pull a Haynesworth -- loaf once he get paid. However, an incentive laden contract might motivate him properly.

No, he didn't. His actions last year dictated why the Eagles didn't pay him.

[BraveHeartFan]

We don't have to worry about this being a problem for Cowboys fan cause he's not going to be signing with the Cowboys.

[RoyTheHammer]

We don't have to worry about this being a problem for Cowboys fan cause he's not going to be signing with the Cowboys.

Bingo. I hope he does sign somewhere in the division though. He might beat ya one game, but he'll disappear for the next three and cause a huge distraction and break down locker room chemistry in the meantime.

[Sonny#9]

No, he didn't. His actions last year dictated why the Eagles didn't pay him.


He had a really good year, statistically, last year. What did he do -- I don't recall.

[RoyTheHammer]

He had a really good year, statistically, last year. What did he do -- I don't recall.


Sigh.. first of all, he had a decent year last year. Not great. He had 47 total catches, and disappeared in alot of games for them. Very inconsistant. Maclin outproduced him.

Secondly, its been said several times already.. but was reported several times that he disrupted team meetings by not paying attention and spending an inordinate amount of time texting his agent about his contract during team activities throughout the day. He also had his people tell the organization and the coaches that he didn't think he should have to run routes over the middle of the field or return punts because it was too much of a risk to him and he was too special. He also refused to do something Reid told him to go do during pregame warmups before the Bears game last year. He distanced his coaches, the organization, and his teammates in the process of all this selfish crap.. and it simply continued again this year on an even greater level. The holdout, short arming passes because he is afraid of getting hit, admitting his health is more important than winning football games, and basically just quitting on his teammates and organization altogether.

[Idgit]

I think people are kidding themselves if you think you can get Jackson for a 2 or 3 year incentive laden deal. He's gonna sign a long term contract at top money. I'm sure it's a shallower pool of teams that will be interested after his antics this year but there will still be enough interest for that to happen.

He's got Washington Redskin written all over him.

It doesn't have to be an incentive-laden deal. He's worth the money, and he should get it guaranteed from season to season. He's just demonstrated that he's a risk on a long-term deal. I don't know that there's a team out there that's going to front him significant money and be on the hook for 5-6 years. It's a big risk for a player like that. He'll get good money on a pay-as-you-go basis from someone.

[BlueStar3398]

I can't stand him. He's talented, but he's also a diva and a headcase.

[Doomsday101]

I can't stand him. He's talented, but he's also a diva and a headcase.

I can handle a bit of diva but can't stand guys who are not team oriented

I was told a long time ago that everyone is a team guy when things are going good but when you hit rough times that is when you find out about a player and his commitment to the team

[burmafrd]

There are a few problems with even considering signing him.

First he is going to want to get paid BIG. He is not looking to sign some incentive laden contract with small guaranteed/yearly salaries.

Second he has a 10 cent head to go with that talent and you don't want that attitude rubbing off on other players or making other players mad.

Third even if you got him for some crazy reduced price...you can bet he would not be happy about not getting the amount of money he wants and would continue the act he is currently doing in Philly.

Last...It is hard to trust someone like him. It is even more of a risk because it is the type of the player where you can start to get used to the big plays he makes, start relying on him and than he starts acting up and you are caught short of a WR and ST player.

He is the classic type of player you should stay away from and also the classic type of player that "Bad" Jerry used to like to bring in but would always get burned by in the end.

Pass Pass Pass. Jerry and company were right to flag him during the draft and they should not bring him in. Again this would be the type of move that "Bad" Jerry would make ala Pac Man.


DITTO

[Hoofbite]

Dan Snyder fears not.

Neither does Oakland. If they signed him they'd have the fastest trio of WRs who all don't provide much else.

Jacoby Ford
Heyward-Bey
Jackson

They'd probably kick your *** in a track and field competition but that'd be about it.

[Hoofbite]

He's gonna find out real quick that he's not nearly as valuable as he thinks. He'll either take a lesser deal with a better team in hopes of reforming his image or he'll take a decent deal with a lesser team and just continue to be a turd.

[Doomsday101]

Dan Snyder fears not.

Neither does Oakland. If they signed him they'd have the fastest trio of WRs who all don't provide much else.

Jacoby Ford
Heyward-Bey
Jackson

They'd probably kick your *** in a track and field competition but that'd be about it.

Raiders have always been known as the island of misfit toys. :laugh2:

[casmith07]

Moss is actually the comparison I was thinking of. He changed the offense there in the way Jackson can for somebody. He just gets further downfield faster than everyone and stretches underneath coverage so much. That would make our TEs, RBs, and Dez impossible to cover adequately.

He needs money badly, so you have to give him a deal he'll be content with. Just like we did with the first TO deal. Big money, doled out annually.

I'm not saying 'do it.' I get that the guy is poison. But a small dose of poison sure looks tempting when you think about what else it could do for this offense.

You can also put him in there on punts and kicks, and keep Dez on the sidelines.

Still think Dez is a better PR though.

[Future]

Was he ever a diva before the contract thing? I think when this guy gets paid, he's going to be fine as far as a teammate.

Not trying to defend his actions...well I sorta am...but the guy is only making 500k this year. Philly is lucky he ever got on the field at all. There's no way I would have if I was him.

[Hoofbite]

Was he ever a diva before the contract thing? I think when this guy gets paid, he's going to be fine as far as a teammate.

Not trying to defend his actions...well I sorta am...but the guy is only making 500k this year. Philly is lucky he ever got on the field at all. There's no way I would have if I was him.

I don't follow the Eagles really that much but the fact that when they broke tradition and started raining money on players Jackson was left out tells me there's something about the guy they don't like.

Something that probably dates back a year or more.

If I were them, I'd franchise him and trade him and ask for a 2nd rounder but be willing to go as low as a high 4th if it came to it just to make sure I got something out of him and so I could at least attempt to keep him out of the division.

[Risen Star]

Was he ever a diva before the contract thing? I think when this guy gets paid, he's going to be fine as far as a teammate.

Not trying to defend his actions...well I sorta am...but the guy is only making 500k this year. Philly is lucky he ever got on the field at all. There's no way I would have if I was him.

He was always cocky and would showboat and all that, but no....he wasn't a problem before the contract issue.

Like I said before, I fully supported his side on this up to the point where he quit on his team this year. I usually always support management over the player but this was one case where clearly the player had a legitimate gripe.

They didn't want to pay him because it would have taken top 5 type money and the guy is built like a cheerleader. That's understandable but it's also understandable for such a productive dynamic weapon having a problem making peanuts when everybody else around him is getting paid. A backup WR making millions while he's playing for 500K.

I'm sure once he's paid he'll be back making big plays, but I don't want a guy who quits on his team for any reason. It's the one thing you can not do. Your teammates count on you. They aren't a part of this. You want to get back at the Eagles? Keep making plays and tell your agent you want the heck out of Philadelphia ASAP.

[RoyTheHammer]

He was always cocky and would showboat and all that, but no....he wasn't a problem before the contract issue.

:rolleyes:

:laugh2:

[Passepartout]

There are pros and cons about signing him. Pros are that he is very good at what he does. Cons is that if he lefts this contract thing go through his head, then it has become a huge distraction for the Eagles. Or any other team possibly that signs him in the near future.

[Risen Star]

There are pros and cons about signing him. Pros are that he is very good at what he does. Cons is that if he lefts this contract thing go through his head, then it has become a huge distraction for the Eagles. Or any other team possibly that signs him in the near future.

It would be a real gutsy move by the Cowboys. If you did it, you'd have to let Robinson go and roll with Dez, Austin and Jackson.

That'd be a nightmare to defend but again, he quit on his team this year. What's he gonna do if things go bad at some point here. Quit? No thank you.

Having said that, in the unlikely event that this did happen, I would LMAO when Jackson destroyed Philly twice every season.

[stasheroo]

I don't follow the Eagles really that much but the fact that when they broke tradition and started raining money on players Jackson was left out tells me there's something about the guy they don't like.

Something that probably dates back a year or more.

If I were them, I'd franchise him and trade him and ask for a 2nd rounder but be willing to go as low as a high 4th if it came to it just to make sure I got something out of him and so I could at least attempt to keep him out of the division.

I don't think that's a reasonable scenario.

If the Eagles tag him, Jackson will likely be advised by Rosenhaus to sign the deal immediately, guaranteeing him $9 million plus.

At that point, I think it would be impossible for the Eagles to trade him if they wanted to.

[stasheroo]

It would be a real gutsy move by the Cowboys. If you did it, you'd have to let Robinson go and roll with Dez, Austin and Jackson.

That'd be a nightmare to defend but again, he quit on his team this year. What's he gonna do if things go bad at some point here. Quit? No thank you.

Having said that, in the unlikely event that this did happen, I would LMAO when Jackson destroyed Philly twice every season.

I think his 'quitting' on his team stems from one thing - money.

Specifically the lack thereof.

The Eagles made a conscious decison to pay essentially everyone but him.

I think that's what really sent him down this sprial of not caring.

[Risen Star]

I think his 'quitting' on his team stems from one thing - money.

Specifically the lack thereof.

The Eagles made a conscious decison to pay essentially everyone but him.

I think that's what really sent him down this sprial of not caring.

Oh, I agree. It was all about money.

Does that make it right? What kind of guy just quits on his teammates like that? It shows a severe character flaw, IMO, and I probably don't want that guy anywhere near my locker room.

[stasheroo]

Oh, I agree. It was all about money.

Does that make it right? What kind of guy just quits on his teammates like that? It shows a severe character flaw, IMO, and I probably don't want that guy anywhere near my locker room.

No!

Nothing makes it right.

But my thinking is that with a guy with prior known character flaws, screwing around with him financially is like pouring gasoline on a fire.

If the Eagles had no intentions of paying him, I think the smart move would have been to have traded him last season when his value was sky-high. They likely could have gottne at least a 1st round pick and he could have been someone else's problem.

Of course highsight is 20-20 but the Eagles had to know him better than anyone.

[RoyTheHammer]

No!

Nothing makes it right.


You two.. lol.

:D

[Risen Star]

No!

Nothing makes it right.

But my thinking is that with a guy with prior known character flaws, screwing around with him financially is like pouring gasoline on a fire.

If the Eagles had no intentions of paying him, I think the smart move would have been to have traded him last season when his value was sky-high. They likely could have gottne at least a 1st round pick and he could have been someone else's problem.

Of course highsight is 20-20 but the Eagles had to know him better than anyone.

I agree with all that. The Eagles got what they deserved. I just wouldn't want to see my team sign him. His size alone scares me. Add in the quitting and I just wouldn't have any interest.

But I'll be his biggest fan when he returns to Philly in another uniform.

[Hoofbite]

I don't think that's a reasonable scenario.

If the Eagles tag him, Jackson will likely be advised by Rosenhaus to sign the deal immediately, guaranteeing him $9 million plus.

At that point, I think it would be impossible for the Eagles to trade him if they wanted to.

I don't see why he would advise him to sign it right away.

Nobody knows what any team would offer. The guy has value at multiple positions, WR and PR. I don't think he would break anyone's bank but I do think the long-term contract would be significant enough to at least see what someone else would offer before jumping into a 1 year deal that could work against you just as much as it could work for you.

[BraveHeartFan]

Was he ever a diva before the contract thing? I think when this guy gets paid, he's going to be fine as far as a teammate.

Not trying to defend his actions...well I sorta am...but the guy is only making 500k this year. Philly is lucky he ever got on the field at all. There's no way I would have if I was him.


Only 500k! Gosh if all of us could be so darned unlucky to be making only 500k to show up and work. Geez. The terrible humanity of it all!

[Doomsday101]

Only 500k! Gosh if all of us could be so darned unlucky to be making only 500k to show up and work. Geez. The terrible humanity of it all!

that must be the slavery issue they talked about during the lockout. :laugh2: