Cowboys | Looking at Roby

[Cbz40]

Cowboys | Looking at Roby - from www.KFFL.com
Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:05:20 -0800

The Dallas Cowboys will have NFL Draft prospect WR Courtney Roby (Indiana) in for a workout April 13.

If this is a re-post.........shoot me!!!....seriously.....I apologize...please don't shoot me

[Eddie]

Is he any good?

[Charles]

Courtney Roby
WR | (6'0", 184, 4.43) | INDIANA

Strengths: Possesses great speed and can stretch defenses vertically. Has the body control to adjust to the ball while it's in the air and can make the tough over-the-shoulder catch. Plays with a mean streak and will fight though press coverage. Holds onto the ball after taking the big hit and isn't afraid to go over the middle. Has good experience returning kicks, plays with a non-stop motor and should develop into a quality special teams' contributor. Showed steady progress at the college level and should only get better with experience.

Weaknesses: Lacks ideal change of direction skills, doesn't explode out of cuts and needs to improve route-running skills. Builds speed slowly, doesn't have the elusiveness to make multiple defenders miss and needs a seam to turn the short gain into the big play. Lacks have ideal height and will have some problems challenging for jump balls in the red zone as well as downfield.

Overview: Roby played in 11 games and started three of them during his freshman season in 2001. He has been a fulltime starter since and has developed into one of the nation's most productive wide receivers as a senior in 2004. Roby doesn't have elite size and he's still a little bit rough around the edges as a route runner, but he has excellent speed and he continues to make significant strides with more experience. He is a developmental prospect that should make his biggest impact on special teams as a rookie but has the potential to develop into a Brandon Stokley-type No. 3 WR in the NFL if he continues to improve at such a fast clip. Right now Roby projects as a mid-Day 2 prospect but if he finishes strong as a senior and is able to run the expected impressive 40-time during post-season workouts, he could come off the board even earlier.

[Qwickdraw]

He's fast, I know that much.

COURTNEY ROBY
Wide Receiver
Indiana
Senior
6'0 | 185 | 4.33

HOME TOWN: Indianapolis, IN
HIGH SCHOOL: North Central

QUICK STRENGTHS: Speed, Quickness, Run after Catch
QUICK WEAKNESSES: Size, Strength, Release
NFL COMPARISONS: Athletic and versatile receiver who needs to add strength ala Reche Caldwell .
Roby came in and immediately saw time as a true freshman. He went on to become one of Indiana's all time most prolific receivers as a sophomore and a junior. He also starred in track for the Hoosiers running the fastest 60-meter dash of any Hoosier sprinter all year.

A good athlete who gets doesn't receive much attention because of where he plays. Roby is a smooth, quick player who runs nice routes and is dangerous after the catch. He has outstanding open field speed and can get deep. He is a multi-talented player who can play in a multitude of different positions and sets as well as return punts and kicks. He has good quickness and shows it coming out of his breaks. He has good hands and can make tough grabs in traffic. After the catch, he is elusive and has good open field moves. He lacks top size and strength though and has trouble against more physical corners. He does show great character, effort and work ethic and is a positive locker room presence. Roby has had some knee problems in college, but none of which should be a concern come draft time.

Roby is underrated and he is the type of player with the versatility to help a team. If he had more talent around him, Roby could already be regarded as one of the nation's better receivers. He should be a late 1st day-early 2nd day pick.


Year Team Rec Yards TDs
2000 - Fr Indiana 11 171 1
2001 - So Indiana 59 1009 4
2002 - Jr Indiana 45 504 0
2003 - Sr Indiana 26 442 4
TOTALS

[Eddie]

Brandon Stokley type WR???

I'll pass !!!

[Cbz40]

TSN has him ranked 11th
Courtney Roby, Indiana, 6-0 1/8, 189. Speedy in the mold of Isaac Bruce. Athletic; has good leaping ability. Has good height and hands. Can get yards after the catch. Has a quick burst to separate before and after the catch. Could improve strength and toughness.

[Charles]

http://images.sportsline.com/images/collegefootball/players/60x80/419764.jpg

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/badger/img/oct02/uwiud101202.jpg

http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2004/09/05/c-iu2.jpg

http://www.purdueexponent.org/2003/08/25/images/IU-preview.jpg
Keyshawn Johnson reincarnated :eek:

[jksmith269]

Year Team Rec Yards TDs
2000 - Fr Indiana 11 171 1
2001 - So Indiana 59 1009 4
2002 - Jr Indiana 45 504 0
2003 - Sr Indiana 26 442 4
TOTALS


WHere are the 2004 stats? or are the years wrong i.e. 2000=2001 so 2003=2004

[ABQCOWBOY]

Is he any good?

He's your classsic deep threat guy, which is really what we need. IMO, this is the type of WR we would probably be looking at if we couldn't get one of the top 2 or 3. Makes way more sense, IMO, to take a guy like this guy in the 4th, or maybe 3rd if we can trade, then to reach at 20 for somebody.

[Next_years_Champs]

Isn't he Reggie Roby's son?

[Cbz40]

As for myself, I would prefer he be a couple inches taller. Maybe I'm too picky

[mullet]

Roby at combine:
6'-0"
189 lbs
4.41 40-yard (9th best)
2.58 20-yard
36.5" vertical
10'-6" broadjump (tied for 3rd)
4.00 Shuttle (2nd best)
6.61 cone (the best)
20 wonerlic

he really shined at the cone and shuttle drills.

[LA=Pancakemaker]

Size, Strength, Release

These are quality's he lacks - plaaaaalease pass!

[Qwickdraw]

As for myself, I would prefer he be a couple inches taller. Maybe I'm too picky

I'm with you Cbz.
Maybe we ask too much.

[jksmith269]

These are his actual stats.....I like his average yrds per catch and his TD's in 04 other than that he seems pretty average

SEASON REC YDS AVG TD
2004 55 810 14.7 7
2003 45 504 11.2 0
2002 59 1039 17.6 4
2001 11 171 15.5 1

[ABQCOWBOY]

As for myself, I would prefer he be a couple inches taller. Maybe I'm too picky

I like big WRs also. Having said that, if the guy can run a streak and catch over the shoulder, that's really all we need. I think our roster is full of guys who can run decent routes. Both Glenn and KJ are really good route runners. Both Copper and Crayton seem to be developing that skill as well.

Hey, you can't teach 4.3 speed.

[Cbz40]

I like big WRs also. Having said that, if the guy can run a streak and catch over the shoulder, that's really all we need. I think our roster is full of guys who can run decent routes. Both Glenn and KJ are really good route runners. Both Copper and Crayton seem to be developing that skill as well.

Hey, you can't teach 4.3 speed.

True ABQ......but I still have visions of Galloway being blown off his route with a mere pat on the butt......or a strong north wind. :)

[Hollywood Henderson]

IU never had a quality QB and he produsced, sounds like Parcells quality kind of guy and speed to get deep!

How is he like Key? Besides the number?
Might be a great Prospect in the 4th!

[Waffle]

Excerpt From Scouting Report Posted by Charles:

"Weaknesses: Lacks ideal change of direction skills, doesn't explode out of cuts and needs to improve route-running skills."

Excerpt From Scouting Report Posted by Qwickdraw:

"Roby is a smooth, quick player who runs nice routes and is dangerous after the catch. He has good quickness and shows it coming out of his breaks."

:huh: :huh: :huh:

[Charles]

IU never had a quality QB and he produsced, sounds like Parcells quality kind of guy and speed to get deep!

How is he like Key? Besides the number?
Might be a great Prospect in the 4th!

Besides the number.....

Has the body control to adjust to the ball while it's in the air and can make the tough over-the-shoulder catch. Plays with a mean streak and will fight though press coverage. Holds onto the ball after taking the big hit and isn't afraid to go over the middle.

I think most would agree that the above description is very similar if not identical to Keyshawn Johnson or Hines Ward.

Height, weight and speed is usually the last information on a player I take a look at.

[Cbz40]

Excerpt From Scouting Report Posted by Charles:

"Weaknesses: Lacks ideal change of direction skills, doesn't explode out of cuts and needs to improve route-running skills."

Excerpt From Scouting Report Posted by Qwickdraw:

"Roby is a smooth, quick player who runs nice routes and is dangerous after the catch. He has good quickness and shows it coming out of his breaks."

:huh: :huh: :huh:

I would agree that is a


:huh: :huh: :huh:

[Charles]

Excerpt From Scouting Report Posted by Charles:

"Weaknesses: Lacks ideal change of direction skills, doesn't explode out of cuts and needs to improve route-running skills."

Excerpt From Scouting Report Posted by Qwickdraw:

"Roby is a smooth, quick player who runs nice routes and is dangerous after the catch. He has good quickness and shows it coming out of his breaks."

:huh: :huh: :huh:
That is great. :D

[Waffle]

I would agree that is a


:huh: :huh: :huh:

I was reading these and thought the scouting reports were on two different players.

They only thing they both agreed on was that Roby is undersized, which anyone can ascertain themselves just by simply looking at his height/weight statistics.

:doh:

[AsthmaField]

Excerpt From Scouting Report Posted by Charles:

"Weaknesses: Lacks ideal change of direction skills, doesn't explode out of cuts and needs to improve route-running skills."

Excerpt From Scouting Report Posted by Qwickdraw:

"Roby is a smooth, quick player who runs nice routes and is dangerous after the catch. He has good quickness and shows it coming out of his breaks."

:huh: :huh: :huh:


Lol.

If his 3 cone drill and short shuttle times are correct and they are that good... I'd say the second one is correct. I was wondering why they'd say he lacked explosion out of cuts and change of direction when his times were so good on those 2 drills.

[Waffle]

Lol.

If his 3 cone drill and short shuttle times are correct and they are that good... I'd say the second one is correct. I was wondering why they'd say he lacked explosion out of cuts and change of direction when his times were so good on those 2 drills.

I can't figure it out either.

[ABQCOWBOY]

True ABQ......but I still have visions of Galloway being blown off his route with a mere pat on the butt......or a strong north wind. :)

I think a lot of that has to do with heart, or at least where Galloway is concerned. I don't think we're going to see Williams or Edwards drafted at 11 and the only WR I'd probably consider at 20 is Williamson and even then, not sure. I think the talent is going to be there, for what we're looking for, lower in the draft.

[Cbz40]

I think a lot of that has to do with heart, or at least where Galloway is concerned. I don't think we're going to see Williams or Edwards drafted at 11 and the only WR I'd probably consider at 20 is Williamson and even then, not sure. I think the talent is going to be there, for what we're looking for, lower in the draft.

Galloway very seldom played with much intestinal fortitude and I should not allow that to blurr my opinion of a young WR.

The bio, speed, and abilities (although conflicting) make Roby very worthy of a closer looksee. He sounds as if he could be that deep threat which is despertly needed on this team. Roby would be a good selection in the 4th round.

Troy Wiliamson intrigues me also but there is a good chance he will not be there at #20.

[Chocolate Lab]

Our interest in Roby and the other mid-round WRs is simply a smokescreen... So other teams don't trade in front of us to take Matt Jones. ;)

[ABQCOWBOY]

Galloway very seldom played with much intestinal fortitude and I should not allow that to blurr my opinion of a young WR.

The bio, speed, and abilities (although conflicting) make Roby very worthy of a closer looksee. He sounds as if he could be that deep threat which is despertly needed on this team. Roby would be a good selection in the 4th round.

Troy Wiliamson intrigues me also but there is a good chance he will not be there at #20.

I agree with everything you said. I too, think Roby is worth looking into. I mean, Colbert was a smaller WR and he had a heck of a year as a rookie. Same with Lee Evans.

Troy Williamson is really interesting but again, I agree, he could easily be gone. He reminds me of the kid out of Hawaii a few years ago but maybe bigger.

[Cbz40]

Our interest in Roby and the other mid-round WRs is simply a smokescreen... So other teams don't trade in front of us to take Matt Jones. ;)


CL that would not surprise me at all. ;)

[ABQCOWBOY]

Our interest in Roby and the other mid-round WRs is simply a smokescreen... So other teams don't trade in front of us to take Matt Jones. ;)


LOL!!!

Yeah, you know Jerruh's got a woody for Jones.

Hahhahhh..... get it? Hahhahhahh.........


All BS aside thou, everybody thinks Jones is going to be a WR. I don't know. I mean, he has a ways to go before he is an accomplished Pro QB but I'll tell ya, every time I watched him play, he made things happen. He might get a shot at QB.

[Chocolate Lab]

LOL!!!

Yeah, you know Jerruh's got a woody for Jones.

Hahhahhh..... get it? Hahhahhahh.........


All BS aside thou, everybody thinks Jones is going to be a WR. I don't know. I mean, he has a ways to go before he is an accomplished Pro QB but I'll tell ya, every time I watched him play, he made things happen. He might get a shot at QB.
Hey, Parcells said he thought about running the single wing before... Would there be a more natural and better tailback in the league than Matt Jones?

Okay, maybe Vick... But we'd have a better backup in Danzler. :D

[Chief]

Our interest in Roby and the other mid-round WRs is simply a smokescreen... So other teams don't trade in front of us to take Matt Jones. ;)

lol

You just know that Jerry is cooking up some plan to land this kid.

A big, strapping, scary-fast former Razorback donning the Star with "Jones" written across his back.

Jerry's fantasy.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Hey, Parcells said he thought about running the single wing before... Would there be a more natural and better tailback in the league than Matt Jones?

Okay, maybe Vick... But we'd have a better backup in Danzler. :D

I'm with you. Maybe we can watch a few Air Force games and do a little adlib.

[Banned_n_austin]

...............................

[ghettogandhi]

sounds like a good 3rd or 4th rd pick potential.

I definitely believe Parcells will add a deep threat through the draft this year at some point- could be round 1-could be round 3 -if we add that pick

[Dough Boy]

As for myself, I would prefer he be a couple inches taller. Maybe I'm too picky
CBZ,

I normally agree with you, but let me ask you this. Would you take Joe Horn, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce (in his prime), Marvin Harrison or Derrick Mason (2 years ago) or David Terell 6"3'. The former group is around 6"0'. I use to think the same way, but give me a true receiver and playmaker. Regardless of height, we need playmakers. Playmakers make plays, regardless of size.

Now, I'm not saying Roby is a playmaker, I'm just saying lets not lock in on size.

[Cbz40]

CBZ,

I normally agree with you, but let me ask you this. Would you take Joe Horn, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce (in his prime), Marvin Harrison or Derrick Mason (2 years ago) or David Terell 6"3'. The former group is around 6"0'. I use to think the same way, but give me a true receiver and playmaker. Regardless of height, we need playmakers. Playmakers make plays, regardless of size.

Now, I'm not saying Roby is a playmaker, I'm just saying lets not lock in on size.


I later explain my position in the thread and yes Sir you are correct I should not let my distaste for Galloway fog my opinion of other receivers of the same stature.

[Sandman52]

Troy Williamson is really interesting but again, I agree, he could easily be gone. He reminds me of the kid out of Hawaii a few years ago but maybe bigger.
You're right. Williamson has always given me a Lelie-feel. Kid smokes his forty and is now hot . I'm worried about that because Lelie has yet to breakout.

Given the choice between Williamson and Clayton at #20, I like Clayton if for nothing more than his return abilities.

[Dough Boy]

I later explain my position in the thread and yes Sir you are correct I should not let my distaste for Galloway fog my opinion of other receivers of the same stature.


Sorry I didn't read the whole thread. You are a good poster, so I should have known you would explain yourself later. You 'cool' by me!

[Cbz40]

Sorry I didn't read the whole thread. You are a good poster, so I should have known you would explain yourself later. You 'cool' by me!

Thank you Sir.......I haven't had anyone say I was "cool" in years. :D

[big dog cowboy]

Thank you Sir.......I haven't had anyone say I was "cool" in years. :D
Is it still 'cool' to be 'cool'???

[Cbz40]

Is it still 'cool' to be 'cool'???

Heck Big Dog.........I suppose it still is. :confused:

UUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMM It better be otherwise Dough Boy is in Hot Water. :D

[big dog cowboy]

Then someday we will have to get together and drink a pepper and be cool together!!! :D

[Cbz40]

Then someday we will have to get together and drink a pepper and be cool together!!! :D


You Got It............Drinks are on me. ;)

[Dough Boy]

Thank you Sir.......I haven't had anyone say I was "cool" in years. :D

Us old fellas have to stick together...

[jobberone]

True ABQ......but I still have visions of Galloway being blown off his route with a mere pat on the butt......or a strong north wind. :)

That's what has Williams, Edwards and Williamson so high. They are big and fast esp Williamson.

My brother said he talked to Williamson not long ago (?month or so ago) and that he had bulked up a lot and looked very solid. Williamson said he was between 210 and 215 now. He does have thin legs though but that's part of the speed.

[TheSkaven]

I know some of the posters here have done some serious draft research in the past .. has anyone here done any research with regard to players brought into Valley Ranch before the draft and what percentage of them get drafted? I'm just curious to see if taking a look at a player demonstrates serious interest, or if it's a red herring to throw off other teams.

Someone should record all of these visits and post after the draft which (if any) of those players signed.

[jobberone]

You're right. Williamson has always given me a Lelie-feel. Kid smokes his forty and is now hot . I'm worried about that because Lelie has yet to breakout.

Given the choice between Williamson and Clayton at #20, I like Clayton if for nothing more than his return abilities.

Clayton may be better and I've really not seen him play so I can't compare. But I don't think it's totally accurate to classify Williamson as only a recently noted speedster. He's had the same track speed since HS. He's a big kid with good, big, soft hands who can make plays. He's a faster and better Alvin Harper IMO. But he's not a return man at all IMO.

It will be interesting to see which of the top 5 WRs hits it big. I think Williams is a sure fire and the others all should be solid if not spectular as well.

[mbanx]

Clayton may be better and I've really not seen him play so I can't compare. But I don't think it's totally accurate to classify Williamson as only a recently noted speedster. He's had the same track speed since HS. He's a big kid with good, big, soft hands who can make plays. He's a faster and better Alvin Harper IMO. But he's not a return man at all IMO.

It will be interesting to see which of the top 5 WRs hits it big. I think Williams is a sure fire and the others all should be solid if not spectular as well.


He might be faster than Alvin Harper but he has yet to make a clutch catch that puts the Cowboys in the SB, so lets hold off on calling him better. There are so many players out there with "potential" and "raw skills" but I want to see them perform under pressure with alot at stake.

[CaptainComeback]

Is he any good?

Being originally from Indiana I have followed Courtney Roby a little and I think he could be a good WCO type receiver. A big YAC bonus type guy that we could probably pick up in the 4th or 5th maybe unless he does something spectacular to skyrocket his stock.

[Natedawg44]

Clayton has the best open field moves of anyone I've seen since Peter Warrick in college. If Clayton was 6' 2" instead of 5' 11", I think he would be a top10 selection. It would not shock me one bit if he had the best statistical season as a rookie than any WR in this draft.

[Cbz40]

I like Clayton but only being 5'11" bothers me.......Roby at least is a little over 6'.

I'm for getting both of them in here and taking a closer look at them.

We do need a deep threat........Roby could be a great pickup in the middle rounds.

[Natedawg44]

I like Clayton but only being 5'11" bothers me.......Roby at least is a little over 6'.

I'm for getting both of them in here and taking a closer look at them.

We do need a deep threat........Roby could be a great pickup in the middle rounds.

I don't think an inch matters that much.

Thats what she said :p:

[Cbz40]

I don't think an inch matters that much.

Thats what she said :p:


YEP!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D


Every little bit helps :p:

[jobberone]

He might be faster than Alvin Harper but he has yet to make a clutch catch that puts the Cowboys in the SB, so lets hold off on calling him better. There are so many players out there with "potential" and "raw skills" but I want to see them perform under pressure with alot at stake.

Well IMO right now based on watching Harper over his career and Williamson over his career, Williamson is better. JMO which I'm entitled to. He's from my hometown and I've watched him since HS and throughout college.

So I have a very good feel for the kid football and character wise.

My opinion does not predict his success in the NFL but I'm not basing my opinions just on what I read either.

Nor I'm I a big homer for him. I'd take Williams first although Williamson has the potential to be a deeper threat IMO. I like Williams all around esp in the red zone.

As I said we will have to wait for a few years to see which of the top five WRs is the best but I predice at least 3 will do very well. But I'm willing to bet you a decent chunk of money Williamson will be better than Harper.

[Bobo]

Isn't he Reggie Roby's son?

I thought it was nephew, not positive though.

[Bobo]

Brandon Stokley type WR???

I'll pass !!!

Is that a joke? :huh:

Sounds like a good pick for the 4th, if he's still there and we haven't taken a WR already.

[jay cee]

Excerpt From Scouting Report Posted by Charles:

"Weaknesses: Lacks ideal change of direction skills, doesn't explode out of cuts and needs to improve route-running skills."

Excerpt From Scouting Report Posted by Qwickdraw:

"Roby is a smooth, quick player who runs nice routes and is dangerous after the catch. He has good quickness and shows it coming out of his breaks."

:huh: :huh: :huh:
I caught that too Waffle. talk about conflicting reports. no wonder drafting is such a crap shoot.

[RoysAHitta]

i think we should take mark clayton at #20, he reminds me a lot of Lee Evans for buffalo. shorter, fast, and good hands, and most importantly can get yards after catch.

roby will probably go in the 3rd round so we'd have to trade down and gain that pick back before we could really consider him.

[Hollywood Henderson]

Not that you can take much from that sports show that was on awhile back, what was it the College sports challenge or something?
But Williamson, showed he does have outstanding hands, he snatched the ball on the move at speed well...(As did Clayton & Edwards)

But the guy who hasn't gotten much hype that did at the combine is Roddy White, keep an eye on him too! Maybe not quite the burner as Williamson, but very good size too 6-1 210ish...

[jobberone]

Not that you can take much from that sports show that was on awhile back, what was it the College sports challenge or something?
But Williamson, showed he does have outstanding hands, he snatched the ball on the move at speed well...(As did Clayton & Edwards)

But the guy who hasn't gotten much hype that did at the combine is Roddy White, keep an eye on him too! Maybe not quite the burner as Williamson, but very good size too 6-1 210ish...

There seems to be a lot of reports of our interest in Roddy. That may be continuing myth or fact. Who knows. But he is in the top five and probably won't do day one. So he could be a steal.

WRs have a habit of not living up to the hype so I take it all in stride. Williams is the closest thing to no risk IMO.