View Full Version : Does Eli get called a choker for this?
The30YardSlant
12-18-2011, 02:35 PM
Just for clarity, it's a rhetorical question that we all know the answer to. This is far worse than any Romo December game in recent memory, but nobody is going to call him on it.
rockj7
12-18-2011, 02:37 PM
No he dosent play for the cowboys and he won a superbowl
Nav22
12-18-2011, 02:38 PM
They'll say, "Eli pulled a Romo today!"
slomoxn
12-18-2011, 02:42 PM
I didnt watche the game last night, we took the kids to see Sherlock Holmes and I have been playing SKYRIM with one of my sons all morning. In saying all that, what is Eli doing wrong? Oh yeah, the second poster is right, Eli won a superbowl and that is why I will never criticize him.
Say what you want he stepped up when needed, so did his team around him but he did not make any game changing or losing mistakes and made plays when needed.
The30YardSlant
12-18-2011, 02:45 PM
I didnt watche the game last night, we took the kids to see Sherlock Holmes and I have been playing SKYRIM with one of my sons all morning. In saying all that, what is Eli doing wrong? Oh yeah, the second poster is right, Eli won a superbowl and that is why I will never criticize him.
Say what you want he stepped up when needed, so did his team around him but he did not make any game changing or losing mistakes and made plays when needed.
He's thrown three picks in a very important December game against a divisional opponent. If Romo did that he would get eaten alive.
Dodger
12-18-2011, 02:45 PM
I don't think so. Eli is better than Romo, so he can't be a choker....I read it here, so it must be true.
chuffly
12-18-2011, 02:48 PM
Say what you want he stepped up when needed, so did his team around him but he did not make any game changing or losing mistakes and made plays when needed.
Well his team could have used him stepping up today.
ajk23az
12-18-2011, 02:49 PM
This is a rhetorical question right?
Eddie
12-18-2011, 02:50 PM
You guys are like little children.
Who cares about Eli and what other people think or don't think of him?
Get over it.
CowboyMcCoy
12-18-2011, 02:51 PM
Just for clarity, it's a rhetorical question that we all know the answer to. This is far worse than any Romo December game in recent memory, but nobody is going to call him on it.
I swear, I was just saying the same thing about how Romo takes the fall. But it's just another pick for Manning, because, well, his dad's name was Archie.
The30YardSlant
12-18-2011, 02:51 PM
You guys are like little children.
Who cares about Eli and what other people think or don't think of him?
Get over it.
I'm simply pointing out the inexcusable double standard
DFWJC
12-18-2011, 02:51 PM
They'll say, "Eli pulled a Romo today!"
:laugh2:
Almost surely, they'll say that! Good one...but sad.
Romo has never had a 0 TD 3 int game as far as I know.
oops...just found out he had one way back 2007. A liefetime ago.
The30YardSlant
12-18-2011, 02:51 PM
I swear, I was just saying the same thing about how Romo takes the fall. But it's just another pick for Manning, because, well, his brother's name is Peyton.
Fixed
Boyzmamacita
12-18-2011, 02:54 PM
I swear, I was just saying the same thing about how Romo takes the fall. But it's just another pick for Manning, because, well, his dad's name was Archie.
Fixed
:laugh2: You're both right.
theogt
12-18-2011, 02:56 PM
This was just Eli being Eli. No big deal.
SDCowboy85
12-18-2011, 02:56 PM
The bottom line is Romo vs Eli is no longer a debate. Romo is far superior. Period.
Staxxxx
12-18-2011, 02:56 PM
Somehow this will only strengthen the Manning for MVP rhetoric.
MegaMagick
12-18-2011, 02:57 PM
Just for clarity, it's a rhetorical question that we all know the answer to. This is far worse than any Romo December game in recent memory, but nobody is going to call him on it.
Can't call a SB MVP a choker.
Boyzmamacita
12-18-2011, 02:58 PM
Can't call a SB MVP a choker.
Not sure if serious.
SDCowboy85
12-18-2011, 02:59 PM
Can't call a SB MVP a choker.
You can when he wasn't the real MVP.
Ender
12-18-2011, 03:03 PM
I didnt watche the game last night, we took the kids to see Sherlock Holmes and I have been playing SKYRIM with one of my sons all morning. In saying all that, what is Eli doing wrong? Oh yeah, the second poster is right, Eli won a superbowl and that is why I will never criticize him.
Say what you want he stepped up when needed, so did his team around him but he did not make any game changing or losing mistakes and made plays when needed.
Thats crazy.. i did the same exact thing the last couple days.. Lol
The30YardSlant
12-18-2011, 03:04 PM
Can't call a SB MVP a choker.
Why? Because he threw up a ball up for grabs and had a receiver make mone of the great catches in NFL history?
The best play he made that game was a 15 yard pass to a wide open Burress that I could have made.
MegaMagick
12-18-2011, 03:04 PM
You can when he wasn't the real MVP.
Yeah, but as long as he has it then he will never be called a choker. It goes against all the rules in the sports media.
Dirk will never again be called a choker or soft again in his career, because he has a ring. If Tony had a ring and the SB MVP award ESPN/NFL Network would be slobbering over him every week win or lose, it's just how it is.
You guys are like little children.
Who cares about Eli and what other people think or don't think of him?
Get over it.
+ 1 trillion. How many Eli threads do we need? Some of you guys sound like bitter ex girlfriends.
Yeah, but as long as he has it then he will never be called a choker. It goes against all the rules in the sports media.
Dirk will never again be called a choker or soft again in his career, because he has a ring. If Tony had a ring and the SB MVP award ESPN/NFL Network would be slobbering over him every week win or lose, it's just how it is.
Doesn't that change the meaning of the words then? A "choker" is now someone who "fails to perform in meaningful situations... unless they've got a ring, in which case they have immunity."
SDCowboy85
12-18-2011, 03:15 PM
Yeah, but as long as he has it then he will never be called a choker. It goes against all the rules in the sports media.
Dirk will never again be called a choker or soft again in his career, because he has a ring. If Tony had a ring and the SB MVP award ESPN/NFL Network would be slobbering over him every week win or lose, it's just how it is.
When you go 0TD 3INTs in a must win game for your team, you choked. Eli choked hard.
The bottom line is Romo vs Eli is no longer a debate. Romo is far superior. Period.
Yes, I also think Romo is better.
Neither player, however, is remotely close to being done yet, so this isn't really a credible statement.
SDCowboy85
12-18-2011, 03:16 PM
Yes, I also think Romo is better.
Neither player, however, is remotely close to being done yet, so this isn't really a credible statement.
That's why I said 'is' and not 'was'.
zeroburrito
12-18-2011, 03:18 PM
he has a super bowl ring.
MegaMagick
12-18-2011, 03:18 PM
Doesn't that change the meaning of the words then? A "choker" is now someone who "fails to perform in meaningful situations... unless they've got a ring, in which case they have immunity."
When you have a ring, instead of saying "he choked" it's just "he had a bad game".
How can you be labeled a choker(failing to perform in the biggest moments) when you've succeeded on the sports biggest stage?
Baelzar
12-18-2011, 03:21 PM
Eli has a much better record of winning when it counts. Including the most obvious pedigree: A Super Bowl Ring.
There's a difference between a fan and a cheerleader. I don't carry the jock for individual players, especially ones who have a tendency to choke under pressure.
jimnabby
12-18-2011, 03:23 PM
The real difference is this. Eli was so bad that his team was never in the game - that's never called a choke. It's only when there are obvious plays to point to late in the game that anyone gets called a choker, and you have to play well to make those things possible. Basically, people are idiots who can't remember anything but the last play they saw.
When you have a ring, instead of saying "he choked" it's just "he had a bad game".
How can you be labeled a choker(failing to perform in the biggest moments) when you've succeeded on the sports biggest stage?
What is the definition of a choker? Someone who routinely comes up short in meaningful situations? Then no, Eli isn't a choker.
What is the definition of having choked? Coming up short in a meaningful situation? Then he choked today. Choked hard.
Unless, of course, you can only choke if you don't have a ring. Which, if that's how you defining choking: "coming up short in a meaningful situation unless you already have a ring", then go for it. But that seems counter factual.
Doomsday101
12-18-2011, 03:28 PM
I would not put this loss on Eli alone, Giants got out played both sides of the ball.
That's why I said 'is' and not 'was'.
No, you asserted that the debate is over on the basis of one game.
The "debate" will never really be over, but I would at least wait until both players are finished before I unequivocally declare one as far superior to the other.
dexternjack
12-18-2011, 03:35 PM
The NFL channel was already blaming his receivers on the 3 ints. If that were Romo in exact same scenarios, he would have been eaten alive.
Primetime42
12-18-2011, 04:40 PM
Eli has a much better record of winning when it counts. Including the most obvious pedigree: A Super Bowl Ring.
There's a difference between a fan and a cheerleader. I don't carry the jock for individual players, especially ones who have a tendency to choke under pressure.
Go check Eli's December record sometime.
Also, all his playoff success came in one month.
SuspectCorner
12-18-2011, 05:03 PM
You can when he wasn't the real MVP.
That's no BS, either. Justin Tuck played circles around any other player on the field that day.
Just another example of quarterback elitism.
casmith07
12-18-2011, 05:05 PM
This was just Eli being Eli. No big deal.
This this this. A regular Eli effort in an otherwise anomaly of a season.
Eskimo
12-18-2011, 05:13 PM
What is the definition of a choker? Someone who routinely comes up short in meaningful situations? Then no, Eli isn't a choker.
What is the definition of having choked? Coming up short in a meaningful situation? Then he choked today. Choked hard.
Unless, of course, you can only choke if you don't have a ring. Which, if that's how you defining choking: "coming up short in a meaningful situation unless you already have a ring", then go for it. But that seems counter factual.
Even this year he came up short late against SF (couldn't get game tying score in the red zone at end of game), Seattle (late INT) and Philly (late fumble).
So how many times did Romo really fail to give his chance to win the game when he had the ball late? I can only name the NYJ game. You can add the Det game because he threw the late INT that helped the Lions get the win. In two of the games he got us into position for late FGs that were missed which cost us the game (Ariz, NYG) so I can't put those on him. The NE game was lost because the defense couldn't hold the lead at the end of the game and Romo didn't really get a chance to answer. The Philly game was a blowout loss because of the defense.
I really think the biggest difference is just how the media blows up anything to do with Romo.
BIGDen
12-18-2011, 05:29 PM
I didnt watche the game last night, we took the kids to see Sherlock Holmes and I have been playing SKYRIM with one of my sons all morning. In saying all that, what is Eli doing wrong? Oh yeah, the second poster is right, Eli won a superbowl and that is why I will never criticize him.
Say what you want he stepped up when needed, so did his team around him but he did not make any game changing or losing mistakes and made plays when needed.
Uh..he threw 2 terrible game-losing picks in that final drive in the SB, but the Patriots dropped them. His duck to Tyree was a terrible pass, but he lucked out there as well. He has had many terrible late season and postseason performances throughout his career (did you see the important Philly game last year when he fumbled without being hit?). His TEAM'S miracle accomplishment in '07 has given him a pass by everyone and it is not deserved. If the idiots Crayton and Fasano didn't drop critical passes in the '07 playoffs, Eli would be considered just an above average QB. BTW, the guy has led the ENTIRE NFL in turnovers multiple times throughout his career. His hype is about as well-deserved as Romo's media abuse.
AbeBeta
12-18-2011, 05:59 PM
Uh..he threw 2 terrible game-losing picks in that final drive in the SB, but the Patriots dropped them. His duck to Tyree was a terrible pass, but he lucked out there as well. He has had many terrible late season and postseason performances throughout his career (did you see the important Philly game last year when he fumbled without being hit?). His TEAM'S miracle accomplishment in '07 has given him a pass by everyone and it is not deserved. If the idiots Crayton and Fasano didn't drop critical passes in the '07 playoffs, Eli would be considered just an above average QB. BTW, the guy has led the ENTIRE NFL in turnovers multiple times throughout his career. His hype is about as well-deserved as Romo's media abuse.
Wow. You have to really be reaching if you judge a QB by the balls that MIGHT have been picked off.
Just for clarity, it's a rhetorical question that we all know the answer to. This is far worse than any Romo December game in recent memory, but nobody is going to call him on it.
if he throws up a clunker on last game of season in NY...trust me...they will be windfall of anger toward Eli. But lets keep it in perspective - we are talking about a guy who has won a Superbowl (that goes a long long way) compared to guy who hasn't gotten out of second round of playoffs yet. It's kind of a ridiculous comparison at this stage really.
Patton
12-18-2011, 06:02 PM
Once you win the Superbowl, you can blow as many games as you like. That's the media for you.
links18
12-18-2011, 06:39 PM
It was a total team collapse for the Giants. Nix had a lot to do with Eli sucking today......
Hostile
12-18-2011, 06:44 PM
Eli has a much better record of winning when it counts. Including the most obvious pedigree: A Super Bowl Ring.
There's a difference between a fan and a cheerleader. I don't carry the jock for individual players, especially ones who have a tendency to choke under pressure.So you're a Giants fan? Cool.
ninja
12-18-2011, 06:45 PM
Two huge games coming up for both Romo and Eli Manning.
The pressure will be on both to perform at their best.
However, I think there will be a little more pressure on Romo. The ring Eli has is the only thing that keeps him from getting the "choke" label.
burmafrd
12-18-2011, 06:47 PM
Wow. You have to really be reaching if you judge a QB by the balls that MIGHT have been picked off.
when you put the ball right into the hands of a DB that has a lot of picks. and he drops it.
What do you call that?
Dodger
12-18-2011, 06:47 PM
The ring Eli has is the only thing that keeps him from getting the "choke" label.Not for me it doesn't.
BIGDen
12-18-2011, 06:50 PM
Wow. You have to really be reaching if you judge a QB by the balls that MIGHT have been picked off.
Didn't reach for anything. I just watch the games. I've seen every game Romo has played and most of Eli's. Romo is clearly better QB IMO. Sometimes dropped passes and picks change the outcomes of games, history, and perception.
ilovejerry
12-18-2011, 06:55 PM
No he dosent play for the cowboys and he won a superbowl
He didn't win a SB his team did especially his D, he should have been called for a in the grasp. whatever his team won
Trajan
12-18-2011, 07:04 PM
A ring gives you a lot of credibility. Personally, I would chose Romo over Eli any day of the week. If Romo had that defense for their SuperBowl run he would have a ring and their offensive production would have improved dramatically over Eli, IMO.
DragonCowboy
12-18-2011, 07:19 PM
I mean can you really consider this game a choke job when he played like **** all game?
AsthmaField
12-18-2011, 07:31 PM
You can't spell deliveryman without Eli.
BubbleScreen
12-18-2011, 07:31 PM
Shame Tebow couldn't stop the NE Brady today.
Around the league, that loser Kyle Orton who was cut for Tebow managed to take an inferior KC team and beat the unbeatable Green Bay Rodgerses. There was a nice clutch win by the Detroit Staffords.
But yeah, back to the point of the thread, the NY Mannings played an even worse game than their brothers in Indy.
Best of all, the Dallas Romos are back in the driver's seat in the east. Next up, the Philly Vicks who destroyed the NY Sanchezes.
jimmy40
12-18-2011, 08:32 PM
He didn't win a SB his team did especially his D, he should have been called for a in the grasp. whatever his team wonno way he should have been called in the grasp
Red Dragon
12-18-2011, 08:35 PM
Eli gets blasted by the New York media. I actually have a great deal of respect for him. He's a formidable player.
TheCoolFan
12-18-2011, 08:38 PM
They're both solid quarterbacks. The only difference is that Eli had a great defense in 2007 and no coincidence that was the only time they have done anything in the playoffs. Romo hasn't had that luxury
Wonderboyromo
12-18-2011, 08:41 PM
Eli gets blasted by the New York media. I actually have a great deal of respect for him. He's a formidable player.
Romo gets blasted by the national media on a weekly basis.
TheDallasDon
12-18-2011, 08:43 PM
Eli gets blasted by the New York media. I actually have a great deal of respect for him. He's a formidable player.
I agree
I just can't stand his face, he looks half- retarded. Every time I see him I want 2 roundhouse kick him swiftly 2 face(a hard right cross should work also). I kno the guy can't help the way his face looks, but I can't help the way I feel about putting an elbow in his frontal lobe.
Sincerely, me
Eli gets blasted by the New York media. I actually have a great deal of respect for him. He's a formidable player.
+1.
He's a good QB and he's having a good year, individually.
I'd still take Romo over him but that doesn't say nearly as much about Eli as it does about Romo.
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