de ends in the draft

[lane]

assuming we don't get howard, by the way i wish jj and bp would make up their mind already, who would yall like to have on america's team out of these picks?

1. dan cody
2. david pollack
3. erasmus james
4. marcus spears
5. bill swancutt
6. matt roth
7. justin tuck

i would like dan cody or pollack myself, either one.
they have that 454 engine you look for

let me know!!

peace, lane

[ravidubey]

Pollack

[Portland Fanatic]

Missing Merriman....

[Outlaw Heroes]

Would be happy with either of (i) Spears or Pollack in round one; or (ii) Tuck or Roth in round two. I see a great deal of bust potential in the others.

[Qwickdraw]

I like Spears personally.
The James and Tuck.

[ghst187]

Merriman, Pollack, or Tuck would be fine by me
but I don't think any of the DEs in this draft will match the production Howard would.

[fishspill]

Pollack and Spears. Merriman after that.

If we could swing 2 of the 3 in the first I'd be in heaven.

Hesitant on the rest.

[Portland Fanatic]

assuming we don't get howard, by the way i wish jj and bp would make up their mind already, who would yall like to have on america's team out of these picks?

1. dan cody
2. david pollack
3. erasmus james
4. marcus spears
5. bill swancutt
6. matt roth
7. justin tuck

i would like dan cody or pollack myself, either one.
they have that 454 engine you look for

let me know!!

peace, lane

Staying 4-3...not crazy about any of them at all.

1. dan cody...my call as a bust
2. david pollack...will be a solid LDE
3. erasmus james...will be a solid LDE
4. marcus spears...will be the best LDE of all
5. bill swancutt...decent
6. matt roth...I think he could be good...kinda like him, but not in first rd.
7. justin tuck...like him to in the 2nd rd.

The issue is...if we stay 4-3...most of the above are LDE...of which I don't see any being any better then Ellis.

If we go 3-4, then Spears is the only one at DE...Tuck at Tweener DE/OLB

If Dallas decided to stay 4-3, I'd much rather trade our second for Howard amd add two other players with first round picks...or gain more pics...

[alpha]

Personally, I prefer the rookie DEs in this order: Pollack, Merriman, Spears, James, Roth, Tuck, Cody.

Merriman has more potential, but Pollack is closer to being a sure thing. Both look like they'll be very productive and versatile players. Can't go wrong here.

Spears is an ideal 3-4 end, and would represent great value at #11 as such, but may not be worth #20 if he's gonna be used in a 4-3, IMHO.

James scares me. Is he the next Freak or the next Ekuban? Classic boom or bust pick, IMO.

Gotta love Roth's motor. He may never be a top-10 pass rusher, but this kid has Greg Ellis/Grant Wistrom written all over him (at least). And that ain't bad.

Tuck is intriguing, but I wouldn't take him before round two. I don't know enough about Cody to form an opinion one way or another, but what I have read leaves me with more potential concern than excitement.

My $0.02 FWIW

[kiheikiwi]

Merriman No.1
Spears next, I know he's a LDE, but I think he can be put on the right with the other talent on the line, and grow into the possition. Infuse some youth into the line. I saw someone had said in another post, that Spears reminded them of Leon Lett, same body type- thats what I like to hear!!!
Not interested in James-sorry.

[ghettogandhi]

james is the best of the true de bunch-
johnson is number 2

[Dough Boy]

james is the best of the true de bunch-
johnson is number 2

Based on production or potential?

[ghettogandhi]

Based on production or potential?

to me the draft is a combination of on the field displays of football ability, potential for development and improvement and character-such as love for the game, respect for the game and others etc and mental capacity as it relates to learning football related skills-reading a defense etc( is he mentally capable of making quick reads at the line-middle linebacker,fs etc)

So having said that- if james had not been injured he would be a top 10 pick- he has good size, strength and when healthy has made great plays on the field.

Travis Johnson has been a consistently good performer for the seminoles-

others have been more productive( see pollack) but they have questions as to size and nfl position-is he an outside backer who is a tad slow or is he a smallish end with good speed-I think he is the former

[Muhast]

who the hell is johnson? lol

Tuck would be a VERY nice pick in the 2nd. Or maybe 20 at the highest.

Spears,Merriman,Pollack,or tuck give me at least one dallas and im happy.

[Rack Bauer]

Pollack is the top DE in this draft.

If he moves to OLB (in a 3-4) I think he'll end up being the best at that position as well.

Merriman has potential, but he didn't produce as much as you'd expect considering the hype.

James is injury prone.

Cody is overrated and a psychopath (My opinion).

Tuck is another "potential" guy, but he didn't do much last season. He was spectacular two seasons ago.

Roth is a high motor guy. Will probably be a very consistent performer, but will never be "Great."

Spears could be great. I think he'll at least be "Solid." Wouldn't mind taking him at #20 (if he's there) even if we took Merriman or Pollack at #11.

[ghettogandhi]

Pollack is the top DE in this draft.

that is a joke- no scouting service, team has pollack as the top rated anything- like I said before he is a slowish outside backer and a smallish de

If he moves to OLB (in a 3-4) I think he'll end up being the best at that position as well. -
I agree with that - he could be an all star outside backer in a 3-4
he is ideally suited for a 3-4- because his size would be very good and his speed is less important in a 3-4 than a 4-3. could be bruschi like in that schem

Merriman has potential, but he didn't produce as much as you'd expect considering the hype.

he averaged 70 tackles and 8 sacks his last 2 seasons- he is two years younger than pollack, is faster, stronger and bigger than Pollack with a body that can easily put on 20 more pounds while still being fast enough to play olb in a 3-4

[ PHP][/PHP] James is injury prone.

agreed-but he is the best and his injuries have little long term concerns

Cody is overrated and a psychopath (My opinion).

good player- nothing more nothing less

Tuck is another "potential" guy, but he didn't do much last season. He was spectacular two seasons ago .

Roth is a high motor guy. Will probably be a very consistent performer, but will never be "Great."

agreed he is in the same boat as pollack

Spears could be great. I think he'll at least be "Solid." Wouldn't mind taking him at #20 (if he's there) even if we took Merriman or Pollack at #11.

spears has solid but not spectacular written all over him- he will never be great because he is not disruptive enough- he will not be a top 15 pick

[Rack Bauer]

that is a joke- no scouting service, team has pollack as the top rated anything


You know what's a joke? People that only rely on reading what a scouting service has to say. What's the matter, not man enough to come up with your own opinion?


because his size would be very good and his speed is less important in a 3-4 than a 4-3.


I'll be the first to say that 40 times mean CRAP, but are you trying to tell me that a 40 time is more important for a 4-3 DE then it is for a 3-4 OLB?


he averaged 70 tackles and 8 sacks his last 2 seasons- he is two years younger than pollack, is faster, stronger and bigger than Pollack with a body that can easily put on 20 more pounds while still being fast enough to play olb in a 3-4

I don't care how young he is. If he's not as good of a football player then I don't want him (unless the better player is off the board). He's not stronger then Pollack. They both did 25 reps. He's not faster then Pollack. Pollack ran a 4.75 electronic timed 40. SM ran a 4.66 HAND TIMED 40. Hand timed 40s are, on average, a tenth of a second faster then electronic timed 40s. That means he would of ran a 4.76 electronic timed 40 (if he had the intestinal fortitude to actually work out at the combine).

And you are on crack if you think Merriman can "Easily" put on 20 lbs (he would weigh 295) and still be "fast enough" to play OLB in a 3-4. Seriously, your Shawne Merriman man-love is sickening at times.


agreed he is in the same boat as pollack


:rolleyes:


he will never be great because he is not disruptive enough


How "disruptive" was Richard Seymour in college? Would you not call him great?



*yawn* here we go again.

[ghettogandhi]

who the hell is johnson? lol

Tuck would be a VERY nice pick in the 2nd. Or maybe 20 at the highest.

Spears,Merriman,Pollack,or tuck give me at least one dallas and im happy.

if you dont know who johnson is - maybe we should check your credentials-

PS if tuck goes 20 than that gm will be fired by the next year

[Dough Boy]

Pollack is the top DE in this draft.

that is a joke- no scouting service, team has pollack as the top rated anything- like I said before he is a slowish outside backer and a smallish de



I know I'm flip flopping, :flipflop: because I had Merriman as the best DE/OLB in this draft. However, I must say Pollack is closing the gap. You can not argue with his production. You can not argue with the conf he played in. Some of the guys he beat on Sat, will be playing on Sun. I guess what I'm trying to say is, production from the SEC should count for something. He was a marked man from his Sophomore year forward. I like Merriman, but how many teams game planned against him. I know every team in the SEC had to account for Pollack on every play, yet he still put up 12 sacks this year, including 3 in the Bowl Game against Wisconsin.

I really like Merriman's potential (that word that has haunted many head coaches), but Pollack (IMHO) is a 10 sack guy waiting to happen. If Freeny and Hugh Douglas can over come their short stature, I think Pollack can also.

FYI - I'm still mesmerized by his short shuttle time. He may not be fast, but he may be one of the quickest players in this or any other draft.

I'm not saying Pollack is the best DE in this draft, but I am saying that it is not as far fetched as you allude to.

[ghettogandhi]

You know what's a joke? People that only rely on reading what a scouting service has to say. What's the matter, not man enough to come up with your own opinion?





I'll be the first to say that 40 times mean CRAP, but are you trying to tell me that a 40 time is more important for a 4-3 DE then it is for a 3-4 OLB?




I don't care how young he is. If he's not as good of a football player then I don't want him (unless the better player is off the board). He's not stronger then Pollack. They both did 25 reps. He's not faster then Pollack. Pollack ran a 4.75 electronic timed 40. SM ran a 4.66 HAND TIMED 40. Hand timed 40s are, on average, a tenth of a second faster then electronic timed 40s. That means he would of ran a 4.76 electronic timed 40 (if he had the intestinal fortitude to actually work out at the combine).

And you are on crack if you think Merriman can "Easily" put on 20 lbs (he would weigh 295) and still be "fast enough" to play OLB in a 3-4. Seriously, your Shawne Merriman man-love is sickening at times.





:rolleyes:





How "disruptive" was Richard Seymour in college? Would you not call him great?



*yawn* here we go again.

if you fail to realize that speed of the linebackers is less important in a 3-4 than it is in a 4-3 than there is no need for discussion because you obviously know little about both schemes-

how fast are the Patriots linebackers- they are among the slowest in the league.

As for the Seymour comment- you conveniently say that you would rather have Pollack than Merriman because he was more productive than two statements later you put your foot in your mouth when you say "how disruptive was richard seymour in college"?

which is it - productivity- which is your case for Pollack or is it potential (see Merriman and your boy seymour) or is it a combination of all those things like I have been trying to learn you for some months now

by the way I withdraw my application to your Pollack for Pres club

[Rack Bauer]

if you dont know who johnson is - maybe we should check your credentials-

PS if tuck goes 20 than that gm will be fired by the next year



james is the best of the true de bunch-
johnson is number 2


You stated that James is the best True DE. You said Johnson is number 2. The only "Johnson" that plays on the DL in this draft is Travis Johnson, a defensive TACKLE.


Maybe we should check YOUR credentials? Check that, no need to, we all know you don't have any.

[Rack Bauer]

if you fail to realize that speed of the linebackers is less important in a 3-4 than it is in a 4-3 than there is no need for discussion because you obviously know little about both schemes-


So that's your fallback, huh? You get caught making a fool of yourself and you spin doctor your way out of it.

LMFAO!!!


As for the Seymour comment- you conveniently say that you would rather have Pollack than Merriman because he was more productive than two statements later you put your foot in your mouth when you say "how disruptive was richard seymour in college"?


More spin doctoring. My god, GG, you sure don't like being made a fool of, do you?

I didn't say that I like Pollack ONLY cuz of his production. That's just one of the MANY reasons he's the #1 DE in the draft, IMO.


And just FYI, Spears was even more productive this past season the your boy-toy Merriman.


by the way I withdraw my application to your Pollack for Pres club


Withdrew it? We all know you've had your nose so far up Merriman's a** all offseason to even consider anyone else for "President."


I think I should call the police and report you cuz the amount of man-love you have for Merriman is downright "Stalkerish."

[ghettogandhi]

You stated that James is the best True DE. You said Johnson is number 2. The only "Johnson" that plays on the DL in this draft is Travis Johnson, a defensive TACKLE.


Maybe we should check YOUR credentials? Check that, no need to, we all know you don't have any.

was referring to dlineman prospects in the draft- johnson is the 2nd best prospect in the draft-

I will gladly explain to you the 3-4 if you would like- or I could have Nors do it for you- Im sure he would be glad to do it

[Rack Bauer]

Anything football related spewing from your keyboard would be either garbage or man-love related, so no thanks. I've forgotten more football then you happen to currently know anyway.

[ghettogandhi]

Anything football related spewing from your keyboard would be either garbage or man-love related, so no thanks. I've forgotten more football then you happen to currently know anyway.

like I said you have disputed nothing i have said-

you know nothing about the 3-4 and less about the intricacies of football

[Rack Bauer]

like I said you have disputed nothing i have said-

you know nothing about the 3-4 and less about the intricacies of football


LMMFAO!!!

[ghettogandhi]

Your lack of football knowledge is quite amusing-each time you get caught with your pants by your feet you cry like a little beeattchh.

I rest my case your ignorance has been acknowledged and it will be proven next year on the field and your humiliation will begin on draft day as pollack is drafted at least 5 spots lower than merriman- of course Pollack is the better player though- lmmfao - lol

[jobberone]

if you dont know who johnson is - maybe we should check your credentials-

PS if tuck goes 20 than that gm will be fired by the next year

Johnson is considered my some to be the top ranked DT in the draft but I haven't seen him on any DE lists.

[Rack Bauer]

Your lack of football knowledge is quite amusing-each time you get caught with your pants by your feet you cry like a little beeattchh.

Who's crying? I'm laughing at you. The only one crying is you, Chica.


You want to instruct me on the intricacies of being a moron? Now THAT is something you have vast knowledge about.

[Natedawg44]

God I don't want to step into this but I gotta know where in the heck did this come from.
Cody is overrated and a psychopath(My opinion).
The guy was clinically depressed and now he is better on medication. Its not like he knocked off a liquor store or was running around with Jack Nicholson and the big indian on one flew over the Cuckoo's nest. He's been a model citizen on and off the field since he took his year off.

[ghettogandhi]

Who's crying? I'm laughing at you. The only one crying is you, Chica.


You want to instruct me on the intricacies of being a moron? Now THAT is something you have vast knowledge about.

I know what im talking bout- YOU ON THE OTHER HAND HAVE NEVER SEEN MERRIMAN PLAY BUT You CONTINUE TO DIMINISH HIS SKILLs AND QUESTION HIS SUPPORTERS- I on the other hand have seen Pollack- your boy toy- play several times-

Plus the football majority agrees with me while no one agrees with you- but I ll take your word for it since youve never seen MERRIMAN Play and you are in love with Pollack

[ghettogandhi]

God I don't want to step into this but I gotta know where in the heck did this come from.

The guy was clinically depressed and now he is better on medication. Its not like he knocked off a liquor store or was running around with Jack Nicholson and the big indian on one flew over the Cuckoo's nest. He's been a model citizen on and off the field since he took his year off.
I think the guy will be a solid player
Rack is the all knowing- little side fact for ya- Rack has never seen Merriman play- check out his damning posts on Merriman and there are many

[lane]

i watched the senior bowl and swancutt looked real good, anyone got an opinion on him? and quit fightin so much, we are dallas fans remember? not eagle fans!

peace, lane

[ghettogandhi]

i watched the senior bowl and swancutt looked real good, anyone got an opinion on him? and quit fightin so much, we are dallas fans remember? not eagle fans!

peace, lane

thats an intriguing prospect- I have never seen him play but would love any info anyone has on him-

some of the draft sites have mentioned his name in passing as a solid prospect who is moving up-

Has Anyone Seen Swancutt Play?

[blayze]

apparently not to many people who resonded to this question has seen dan cody play much.over rated,psychopath,you need to watch this guy play because he will not be a bust.not only that I guarentee you he will be the best DE to come out of this draft.and as far as psycho he had a case of depression as a 19 year old kid which he handled in a very responsible way and he is not the only freshman in college to develop depression.and if you had been paying attention you would know he has not had a problem in the last 3 years.I don't have a problem if someone doesn't like him but I think they should get their facts straight before they say anything.

[Fletch]

Roth is a high motor guy. Will probably be a very consistent performer, but will never be "Great."

Funny, that is what a lot of people say in here about Pollack.

[lane]

i love dan cody, he plays for love of the game and i like that baby!!

[Fletch]

i love dan cody, he plays for love of the game and i like that baby!!

I think Dan Cody will be a productive DE. He'll never be in the Julius Pepper's range, but he will be effective. I do believe Merriman has that something that could propell him to elite status.

[Muhast]

Ghetto my point was... WHERE THE HELL WAS JOHNSON SHOWN as the #2 defensive end, for that matter even defensive player in this draft??? I've never once seen him top 10 on ANY mock draft. I know Merriman, DJ, A.Rolle, T.Davis,C.Rogers, A.Jones are all ranked above Johnson. Add M.Spears, E.James also. I dunno what your talking about Ghetto.

[ghettogandhi]

apparently not to many people who resonded to this question has seen dan cody play much.over rated,psychopath,you need to watch this guy play because he will not be a bust.not only that I guarentee you he will be the best DE to come out of this draft.and as far as psycho he had a case of depression as a 19 year old kid which he handled in a very responsible way and he is not the only freshman in college to develop depression.and if you had been paying attention you would know he has not had a problem in the last 3 years.I don't have a problem if someone doesn't like him but I think they should get their facts straight before they say anything.

some people on this board post inaccurate misinformation regularly-

got to read through it-

I would never hold what happened as a 19 yr older against him- how many of us have done idiotic stuff in our teens and early 20's - probably a good percentage of us-

but what do I know?

[morasp]

Pollack. To me he is another high character Greg Ellis/Chris Spielman type who busts his butt, stays late and learns all the techniques, and in the fourth quarter when you need that stop, he's the one that get's it. And he could be a solid contributor on the team for 8-10 seasons. As far as I can tell, Merriman could be the next Boss Bailey, has he done anything for detroit lately?

[ghettogandhi]

Ghetto my point was... WHERE THE HELL WAS JOHNSON SHOWN as the #2 defensive end, for that matter even defensive player in this draft??? I've never once seen him top 10 on ANY mock draft. I know Merriman, DJ, A.Rolle, T.Davis,C.Rogers, A.Jones are all ranked above Johnson. Add M.Spears, E.James also. I dunno what your talking about Ghetto.

never said johnson was a top 10 player- if thats what you thought-

i said johnson is the 2nd best dline prospect according to some- I like in them in this order


Merriman-de/olb
James- de
Johnson-dt
Spears-dt/de
Pollack 3-4 olb
cody-

johnson in no way is a top 10 prospect- maybe top 15 around Spears-I could be wrong about this one so I wont be stubborn on Johnson but Im fairly confident about four of the 5 on that list

[ghettogandhi]

Pollack. To me he is another high character Greg Ellis/Chris Spielman type who busts his butt, stays late and learns all the techniques, and in the fourth quarter when you need that stop, he's the one that get's it. And he could be a solid contributor on the team for 8-10 seasons. As far as I can tell, Merriman could be the next Boss Bailey, has he done anything for detroit lately?

Calling merriman Boss Bailey is like calling Ronnie Brown-Micheal Wiley or Kijana Carter or any other back who wasnt a starter-

lots of very good players were backups for most of their career in college- see Priest holmes

[Rack Bauer]

The amount of Merriman Man-love in this thread is enough to make one vomit. GG, seriously, tone it down a bit.




The guy was clinically depressed and now he is better on medication. Its not like he knocked off a liquor store or was running around with Jack Nicholson and the big indian on one flew over the Cuckoo's nest. He's been a model citizen on and off the field since he took his year off.

I guess you missed the "MY OPINION" part of my post?

[hank2k]

[QUOTE=lanecity1975]i watched the senior bowl and swancutt looked real good, anyone got an opinion on him? and quit fightin so much, we are dallas fans remember? not eagle fans!

Funny, you really cant make a great slam dunk case for or against any of the guys wer'e supposedly looking at at DE in the 11 pick range. Maybe we just fork over the #20 for Howard , the safest bet.

Ill take Howard vs the field on total number of sacks next year.

Any takers???

[morasp]

Calling merriman Boss Bailey is like calling Ronnie Brown-Micheal Wiley or Kijana Carter or any other back who wasnt a starter-

lots of very good players were backups for most of their career in college- see Priest holmes

Marriman isn't a running back. Linebacker takes instincts and experience. Look how much Brady James is struggling and he's played it a lot in college. Running backs have a better chance of stepping in in NFL than any other position.

Let me try another comparrison to an NFL "linebacker". The sporting news compares Merriman to Arrington, another physical speciman. Arrington got the big contract and makes some big plays but to me he is out of postion a lot. I don't think, for that price tag I would want him on my team even if we could get him.

[ghettogandhi]

Ghetto my point was... WHERE THE HELL WAS JOHNSON SHOWN as the #2 defensive end, for that matter even defensive player in this draft??? I've never once seen him top 10 on ANY mock draft. I know Merriman, DJ, A.Rolle, T.Davis,C.Rogers, A.Jones are all ranked above Johnson. Add M.Spears, E.James also. I dunno what your talking about Ghetto.

johnson is the number 2 most explosive dlineman -not de- apologize for the confusion

[Muhast]

well, then in your list even you dont consider him top 2 lol. Its cool tho. thanks for clearing that up