Report: Turner on way out of San Diego

[GRD]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Norv-Turner-reportedly-to-be-fired-as-San-Diego-Chargers-coach-123111 (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Norv-Turner-reportedly-to-be-fired-as-San-Diego-Chargers-coach-123111)

Chargers head coach Norv Turner will be fired sometime next week, meaning Sunday's game in Oakland will be his last with the team, the San Diego Union Tribune reported Saturday.

Sources familiar with team president Dean Spanos' thinking told the newspaper that Spanos feels he has no choice but to make a change after the team lost six games in a row mid season.

There reaches a point of no return," a person in the Chargers' organization said.
The ax will fall despite Turner's reign at the Chargers being as successful as any of the team's previous coaches.

He will enter Sunday's game with a 48-31 win-loss record — the second best regular-season winning percentage of any Chargers head coach. If the team beats the Raiders on Sunday, and his postseason record is added to the equation, Turner will top the list of Chargers coaches.

Turner's dismissal will not be unexpected, with the coach being told in November that he quickly needed positive results to save his job. Four more defeats that month left San Diego fourth in the AFC West standings. They have since climbed to third, one game ahead of Kansas City.

But the firing is not likely to be well supported by Chargers players.
"It's really a shame . . ." quarterback Philip Rivers (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/player/philip-rivers/200301) told the Union Tribune. "It hasn't been great [the past two seasons], but he's the winningest coach in the history of this place.

That's all I know. Are we satisfied at 8-8? Absolutely not. Did the Giants go 8-8 before they won the Super Bowl? Yeah. Pittsburgh? Yeah. Teams go 8-8. I mean, teams that are in a funk, they're 4-12 and 3-13 and they're 2-14, they're 5-11. If this is the rough stretch here — 9-7, 8-8 — that's pretty good.]

[JoeCorrado]

I like Norv, hope this is true. Sorry that he would be losing the HC spot in San Diego, but that is their loss.

Maybe we can get him back here with Garrett as his OC? If there is any guy in the league that Garrett should trust as his OC, it would be Norv.

Sure I understand that Garrett has stated that he is comfortable as HC/OC and that he didn't see us adding an OC... but then again, Norv was not available then. And his becoming available now- well, that changes the mix.

[lane]

we need to bring him in asap as our oc.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

we need to bring him in asap as our oc.

Not happening. Jerry has already come out and said Garrett will be the OC as long as he's head coach.

[SkinsandTerps]

Not happening. Jerry has already come out and said Garrett will be the OC as long as he's head coach.

Jerry says lots of things. I wouldn't take too much of that into consideration if I were you.

Although, I do not think the Cowboys have a team right this second that works for Norv. He could get the parts, but that still would not help the defense.

[burmafrd]

and this is news how?

[Mansta54]

Jerry says lots of things. I wouldn't take too much of that into consideration if I were you.

Although, I do not think the Cowboys have a team right this second that works for Norv. He could get the parts, but that still would not help the defense.

It always kills me when Foreskin fans chime in on our team situations and issues when theirs are soooo bad year after year. They consistently live in the NFC east BASEMENT and their bigtime SB winning HC got WORSE in his second year with the team and still doesn't have a starting QB. Jim Zorn won as many games as in a season as MS. What an absolute JOKE!!! Hey, maybe yall should hire Norv as yalls OC, lawd knows yall need one..:lmao2:

[Hostile]

I'd love to have him, especially if we do lose John Garrett and/or Wade Wilson. Just not sure I think it will happen.

[Mansta54]

I'd love to have him, especially if we do lose John Garrett and/or Wade Wilson. Just not sure I think it will happen.

I'd luv to have him too, I've always liked Norv as OC. Great play caller and he gets the ball deep often during the game..

[THUMPER]

I'd love to bring in Norv Turner as the OC and Steve Spagnolo (assuming he is released by the Rams) as the DC.

Rob Ryan appears to be all talk and belly. I am not impressed with our defense in the least and he has been, by far, the biggest disappointment this season.

[JakeCamp12]

I'd love to bring in Norv Turner as the OC and Steve Spagnolo (assuming he is released by the Rams) as the DC.

Rob Ryan appears to be all talk and belly. I am not impressed with our defense in the least and he has been, by far, the biggest disappointment this season.

I am hoping for the same thing Thumper...from your lips to Jerry's ears...

[Risen Star]

we need to bring him in asap as our oc.

I would hate it if we did. There's nothing wrong with our current OC.

[Hostile]

I would hate it if we did. There's nothing wrong with our current OC.I agree. I do think however if he came in to take John Garrett's place (rumor he may be headed back to the college ranks) and/or Wade Wilson's (rumor he may get an OC job), that he is a good fit here.

[SDogo]

Only coaching changes I see being made this year are at OL and possibly DB. Norv is not going to coach either. I still think there is a chance Sparano could be brought in, if John does leave it kills two birds with one stone and they can give Tony a fancy little title and some extra pay.

If Bowles is let go in Miami as well he might just follow to take the DB gig.

If Wilson leaves I would keep an eye on Mike Sullivan, but of course todays game goes a long way in that decision.

[Mansta54]

I want Sparano coaching our OL when HH leaves.

[cowboys2233]

and this is news how?

Um, because he was the Cowboy's offensive coordinator under Jimmy Johnson, is considered one of the brightest offensive minds in the game today, and some, including one Jimmy Johnson, have suggested that Garrett would be better served handing over his play-calling duties to someone else, so he can focus on his head coaching?

Are you connecting any of these dots yet? Oh wait, maybe you're just being an arse? If so, forgive my long-winded explanation of why this IS news, whether you choose to consider it as such or not.

[Hostile]

Only coaching changes I see being made this year are at OL and possibly DB. Norv is not going to coach either. I still think there is a chance Sparano could be brought in, if John does leave it kills two birds with one stone and they can give Tony a fancy little title and some extra pay.

If Bowles is let go in Miami as well he might just follow to take the DB gig.

If Wilson leaves I would keep an eye on Mike Sullivan, but of course todays game goes a long way in that decision.Campo out, Bowles in.
Houck out, Sparano in.
John Garrett out, Norv in.

Me happy.

[Risen Star]

I agree. I do think however if he came in to take John Garrett's place (rumor he may be headed back to the college ranks) and/or Wade Wilson's (rumor he may get an OC job), that he is a good fit here.

But I just don't think a guy like Norv would take those positions. He's gonna want to run an offense.

[SDogo]

Campo out, Bowles in.
Houck out, Sparano in.
John Garrett out, Norv in.

Me happy.


What I do know is there is a lot of layover from the 2007-2008 coaching staff. I'm not entirely sure a coaching shuffle is not in order if this blows up today.

Dave Campo
John Garrett
Hudson Houck
Brett Maxie
Skip Peete
Wes Phillips
Wade Wilson

I can see two leaving to take promotions (Wilson and John)

I know Wes is someone Jason likes and a hot young name around the NFL. If will probably start getting some opportunities soon.

Campo, well I don't even need to get into it. He just needs to go.

Houck is going to retire.

I never understood why Maxie was still around to be honest. He's a Dave Campo clone.

I like Skip Peete, Jason like Skip Peete, I'm not sure he is going anywhere soon and he would get scooped up quick if he left or was let go.

I know most of the people mentioned above have contracts that are running out and were never redone when Garrett got the job so it could be interesting.

[Eskimo]

I would hate it if we did. There's nothing wrong with our current OC.

I agree that Garrett is doing a good job as OC.

However, his main focus should be the whole team.

This way he can have Turner coaching his offense and he will have another great offensive mind to discuss gameplans with.

I hope this works out.

[The Quest for Six]

If Turner is let go in San Diego, Garrett needs to go hire him as an offensive Coordinater, nevermind what the clown leader of the organization Jerry Jones says

[AbeBeta]

Turner will go somewhere and work with a young QB -- Carolina seems a really good fit if they aren't 100% happy with Shula there.

[Hostile]

But I just don't think a guy like Norv would take those positions. He's gonna want to run an offense.I think it would be a co-run deal. Where each are bouncing ideas off the other and studying game plans together.

[Hostile]

If Ryan leaves for a HC job, give me Capers.

[SDogo]

If Ryan leaves for a HC job, give me Capers.

Long standing cry from this fan.

[burmafrd]

Um, because he was the Cowboy's offensive coordinator under Jimmy Johnson, is considered one of the brightest offensive minds in the game today, and some, including one Jimmy Johnson, have suggested that Garrett would be better served handing over his play-calling duties to someone else, so he can focus on his head coaching?

Are you connecting any of these dots yet? Oh wait, maybe you're just being an arse? If so, forgive my long-winded explanation of why this IS news, whether you choose to consider it as such or not.

well if someone had thought a little before posting, the FACT that Norv was on his way out is VERY OLD NEWS.


Figure it out yet?

[Don Corleone]

Only coaching changes I see being made this year are at OL and possibly DB. Norv is not going to coach either. I still think there is a chance Sparano could be brought in, if John does leave it kills two birds with one stone and they can give Tony a fancy little title and some extra pay.

If Bowles is let go in Miami as well he might just follow to take the DB gig.

If Wilson leaves I would keep an eye on Mike Sullivan, but of course todays game goes a long way in that decision.

Are you predicting that Campo will be replaced? That man must have naked pictures of Jerry. He seems to have 9 lives with this organization.

[SDogo]

Are you predicting that Campo will be replaced? That man must have naked pictures of Jerry. He seems to have 9 lives with this organization.

I believe so, I think he would of been replaced last year if anyone of Rob's options would of been available. Another off season, more coaching changes, I got to believe someone will pop up.

[Don Corleone]

I believe so, I think he would of been replaced last year if anyone of Rob's options would of been available. Another off season, more coaching changes, I got to believe someone will pop up.

Well, the secondary has been the achilles heal for some time now. It would be refreshing to bring in someone new.

[LeonDixson]

Is there any coach or assistant from the Jags we would want? According to Jay Glazer the Jags told all of them to vacate the premises after their last game. They are firing all of them.

I know they were really bad but is there any assistant there that is good?

[SDogo]

Is there any coach or assistant from the Jags we would want? According to Jay Glazer the Jags told all of them to vacate the premises after their last game. They are firing all of them.

I know they were really bad but is there any assistant there that is good?

Cory Undlin, their DB coach who has worked with Ryan in the past.

[jazzcat22]

Hasn't this rumor been going on for several years....I really would,t doubt it this time.
but it falls into that....i'll beleive it when it happens....category.

I would love for him to come back, be the OC, JG focused on HC and Sparano replace anyone else....maybe Houck, but would he go from HC to OL.

Now if there was someone to replace Campo and a few other D coaches...say like, ANYONE available.
As much as I been saying I hate this Defense, I feel we will have Ryan another year. So get him some support, coaches, players.

[Hostile]

Is there any coach or assistant from the Jags we would want? According to Jay Glazer the Jags told all of them to vacate the premises after their last game. They are firing all of them.

I know they were really bad but is there any assistant there that is good?Wow. That type of move screams Bill Cowher coming.

[LeonDixson]

Cory Undlin, their DB coach who has worked with Ryan in the past.
Is he good? Almost any experienced DB coach would be better than Campo, but I'd like a really good one.

[big dog cowboy]

Rob Ryan appears to be all talk and belly. I am not impressed with our defense in the least and he has been, by far, the biggest disappointment this season.

Remember how bad our defense was when he took over? We are much better now with basically the same guys.

[jazzcat22]

Is there any coach or assistant from the Jags we would want? According to Jay Glazer the Jags told all of them to vacate the premises after their last game. They are firing all of them.

I know they were really bad but is there any assistant there that is good?


How about Jack Del Rio for DC?

[LeonDixson]

Wow. That type of move screams Bill Cowher coming.
I didn't think of that, but you could be right.

[Hostile]

Is he good? Almost any experienced DB coach would be better than Campo, but I'd like a really good one.I think he is a Belichick guy. I am not positive on that though.

[SDogo]

Is he good? Almost any experienced DB coach would be better than Campo, but I'd like a really good one.


The Jaguars DB have always been a over achieving bunch simply because I'm going to bet anyone will struggle to name their starting CB's over the last couple years and yet have managed to be respectable.

I don't know much about his overall body of work, not a name associated with many openings but there is a connection there. lol

[SDogo]

I think he is a Belichick guy. I am not positive on that though.


Correct, he was brought into the league by Belichick.

[Eskimo]

If Ryan leaves for a HC job, give me Capers.

Yes, I'd love Capers, too. He is a great defensive mind and has done a very good job with the talent he has been handed in GB. The other aspect of Capers that I love is he has probably gotten the yearning to be a HC out of his system. That means we can potentially have him here in this role for a long time and he can groom an heir apparent for himself before he retires.

The problem that I have with Ryan is that even if he is successful he will leave and gut the defensive staff he will have assembled by then. This would then necessitate a major rebuild in a different defensive system after we have found players who work will with his schemes.

[Eskimo]

Remember how bad our defense was when he took over? We are much better now with basically the same guys.

I don't think that is entirely true.

He has Elam instead of Ball - even though Elam isn't great that is a big upgrade.

He also has Sean Lee out there instead of Brooking. So we went from below avg at that spot to a Pro Bowl caliber player.

OTOH, TNew is a bit worse this year but Jenkins is a lot better, Oscan is the same - so it is about the same result at CB.

At DL we lost Bowen but Lissemore looks to be an equivalent player so that is a wash.

Overall I'd say Ryan has a better group of players due to 2 net major upgrades with no major downgrades.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Yes, I'd love Capers, too. He is a great defensive mind and has done a very good job with the talent he has been handed in GB. The other aspect of Capers that I love is he has probably gotten the yearning to be a HC out of his system. That means we can potentially have him here in this role for a long time and he can groom an heir apparent for himself before he retires.

The problem that I have with Ryan is that even if he is successful he will leave and gut the defensive staff he will have assembled by then. This would then necessitate a major rebuild in a different defensive system after we have found players who work will with his schemes.

Have you not watched Green Bay's defense this season? They've looked awful at times. They have much more talent than we do.

[aikemirv]

I would love to have Norv as OC.

Bowles,Capers and all these other names mentioned though, nah

Green BAys D has been awful this year at times just like ours. I am not sure why some think he would be an upgrade. Our secondary stinks, I am not sure how Ryan gets blamed for their failures to simply cover and look for the ball. That is on Campo and to tell you the truth eve before Campo.

We need a new secondary coach and philosophy on training out CB's.

By the way, the difference you see in Jenkins this year IS a direct reflection on the challenge Ryan gave him at the beginning of the year. I know he is fragile but he has not backed down from hits this year like we saw in the past!

[Eskimo]

Have you not watched Green Bay's defense this season? They've looked awful at times. They have much more talent than we do.

And the previous two seasons they were really good.

I suspect a good chuck of their poor showing is teams get behind early and throw a lot. They also probably go for it on 4th down a lot. When we get teams in that position they seem to have no problem marching up and down the field on us.

The other issue is GB has lost some players in FA and that has hurt them. Cullen Jenkins was a pretty major loss for them. They start Erik Walden at OLB - our 6th round pick that we cut in his rookie season starts at the glamour position in a 3-4 defense.

Having said that, they aren't so bad in points allowed and they generate a ton of turnovers. They remind me of the NO defense in 2009 when they won the SB.

[twentytwo]

I agree. I do think however if he came in to take John Garrett's place (rumor he may be headed back to the college ranks) and/or Wade Wilson's (rumor he may get an OC job), that he is a good fit here.

You think he would take that sort of downgrade? I would love it if he would.

[theogt]

If Ryan leaves for a HC job, give me Capers.Good god almighty Capers is a terrible coach. If they didn't have some of the best QB play in the history of the league this year, he'd likely be fired after this season. Everywhere he goes he makes the defense worse than when he showed up.

[jimmy40]

well he let Robinson and Sproles go. Nice job Norv.

[theogt]

well he let Robinson and Sproles go. Nice job Norv.He doesn't (didn't) make personnel decisions there.

[jimmy40]

He doesn't (didn't) make personnel decisions there.no input huh?

[theogt]

no input huh?A.J. Smith seems like an arrogant little ******* that doesn't much care for what anyone else thinks, but who knows. Regardless, personnel decisions there don't go on Norv's shoulders.

[BAT]

Good god almighty Capers is a terrible coach. If they didn't have some of the best QB play in the history of the league this year, he'd likely be fired after this season. Everywhere he goes he makes the defense worse than when he showed up.

That defense was championship caliber last season. And while the D is giving up a lot of yards, it is still generating a lot of turnovers (very similar to Saints D when it won it's Lombardi).

And if Norv is fired after last regular season game, Jerry should offer him a consultant spot for the playoffs/offseason.

If Jerry was willing to do so for Reeves (at one point) then Norv is a no-brainer. And a consultant would not come off as a demotion per se.

[theogt]

That defense was championship caliber last season. And while the D is giving up a lot of yards, it is still generating a lot of turnovers (very similar to Saints D when it won it's Lombardi).

And if Norv is fired after last regular season game, Jerry should offer him a consultant spot for the playoffs/offseason.

If Jerry was willing to do so for Reeves (at one point) then Norv is a no-brainer. And a consultant would not come off as a demotion per se.Turnovers are by and large luck. Capers is a terrible coach.

[burmafrd]

A.J. Smith seems like an arrogant little ******* that doesn't much care for what anyone else thinks, but who knows. Regardless, personnel decisions there don't go on Norv's shoulders.

he is an arrogant POS.

[tyke1doe]

Turnovers are by and large luck. Capers is a terrible coach.

Not always.

When a defender rips a ball out of a receiver's/running back's hands, that's not luck. That's technique.

If a corner jumps a route, that's not luck. That's technique.

[SA_Gunslinger]

If Garrett is going to give up playcalling duties for anyone, I would have to think it would be for Norv Turner. I would not be upset if this happened.

:star:

[FLcowboy]

I would hate it if we did. There's nothing wrong with our current OC.

Agree. The defense is where a lot of improvement is needed.

[BAT]

Turnovers are by and large luck. Capers is a terrible coach.

Only if they are not coached.

[ologan]

Hire him all you want,but he ain't gonna do doodly squat till you fix the damn offensive line!

[Idgit]

no input huh?

I don't want Norv Turner back, but he probably has less input on personnel than all but a few coaches in the league. He's got his own limitations, though, and letting him go in SD is the right decision.

[AbeBeta]

Good god almighty Capers is a terrible coach. If they didn't have some of the best QB play in the history of the league this year, he'd likely be fired after this season. Everywhere he goes he makes the defense worse than when he showed up.

You like Nolan?

[fairviewfarmer]

I'd love to have him, especially if we do lose John Garrett and/or Wade Wilson. Just not sure I think it will happen.
Norv may be in line for the HC of the Rams or Bucs. jmo

[bsheeern]

Rivers is lobbying to keep Norv in SD. If he stays then I see us getting Sparano.