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btcutter
03-29-2005, 11:55 AM
This guy just make plays. He reminds me of Steve Smith and Torry Holt. He make tough catchs and runs well after the catch. He maybe a shade under 6' but so what. In these days, you can't touch the receivers....he's gonna get great separation. I hope we have a chance to land him with the 20th pick. He will have a big impact on our Offense if we can get him.
I never seen Williamson play so I don't know much about him. There's alot of talk about Williamson being a great deep threat. Perhaps others can fill in their opinions about him.

NYCowboy22
03-29-2005, 11:57 AM
I'm a huge Clayton supporter. I really hope he is there at 20.

Native Born Fan
03-29-2005, 11:58 AM
This guy just make plays. He reminds me of Steve Smith and Torry Holt. He make tough catchs and runs well after the catch. He maybe a shade under 6' but so what. In these days, you can't touch the receivers....he's gonna get great separation. I hope we have a chance to land him with the 20th pick. He will have a big impact on our Offense if we can get him.
I never seen Williamson play so I don't know much about him. There's alot of talk about Williamson being a great deep threat. Perhaps others can fill in their opinions about him.

Agreed! You are a sharp fan.

JBRockBottom31
03-29-2005, 11:58 AM
This guy just make plays. He reminds me of Steve Smith and Torry Holt. He make tough catchs and runs well after the catch. He maybe a shade under 6' but so what. In these days, you can't touch the receivers....he's gonna get great separation. I hope we have a chance to land him with the 20th pick. He will have a big impact on our Offense if we can get him.
I never seen Williamson play so I don't know much about him. There's alot of talk about Williamson being a great deep threat. Perhaps others can fill in their opinions about him.

He is another Terry Glenn or Galloway, I would rather have Williamson, this guy has size and hands 6'2 200 lbs

hockix
03-29-2005, 12:00 PM
I'm a huge Clayton supporter. I really hope he is there at 20.

I also hope we can get him at 20.
He is a playmaker.

chicago JK
03-29-2005, 12:00 PM
This guy just make plays. He reminds me of Steve Smith and Torry Holt. He make tough catchs and runs well after the catch. He maybe a shade under 6' but so what. In these days, you can't touch the receivers....he's gonna get great separation. I hope we have a chance to land him with the 20th pick. He will have a big impact on our Offense if we can get him.
I never seen Williamson play so I don't know much about him. There's alot of talk about Williamson being a great deep threat. Perhaps others can fill in their opinions about him.
Check out the draft board. Someone posted a highlight video of Williamson. Note he is raw and played in a bad passing offense at SC.

btcutter
03-29-2005, 12:03 PM
Check out the draft board. Someone posted a highlight video of Williamson. Note he is raw and played in a bad passing offense at SC.


so was Alexander Wright whom we wasted a 2nd round pick. I know his got the measurables. Biggest question is can he play or is it going to take him 5 yrs and the next team before he realizes his potential? I think I'll take my chances with Clayton.

btcutter
03-29-2005, 12:05 PM
He is another Terry Glenn or Galloway, I would rather have Williamson, this guy has size and hands 6'2 200 lbs


Really?! Give me Glenn at top of his game any day. I'll take two of them starting for us if I can!!! When Glenn was at his peak, he was pretty darn good. If my 20th pick yield a player like that, I declare the pick a success.

2233boys
03-29-2005, 12:06 PM
He is another Terry Glenn or Galloway, I would rather have Williamson, this guy has size and hands 6'2 200 lbs
I agree

jksmith269
03-29-2005, 12:10 PM
I would lean towards Clayton as well. If I had to say a bigger receiver to go after other than Edwards I'd go with Reggie Brown from UGA he and Willimson are a lot alike but Brown has better leaping ability. Brown had a 41.5 verticle jump compared to a 37" for Willimson. Brown ran a 4.45 40 Willimson ran a 4.32. that is the only place Willimson was quicker in the short shuttle Brown ran a 4.0 and Willimson ran a 4.18 in the cone Brown ran a 6.99 and Willimson ran a 7.10

taking all this into consideration and they both have a lot of raw ability I'd take Brown

LA=Pancakemaker
03-29-2005, 12:11 PM
He is another Terry Glenn or Galloway, I would rather have Williamson, this guy has size and hands 6'2 200 lbs

I agree 2 - Clayton aint our guy!

hendog
03-29-2005, 12:19 PM
I would lean towards Clayton as well. If I had to say a bigger receiver to go after other than Edwards I'd go with Reggie Brown from UGA he and Willimson are a lot alike but Brown has better leaping ability. Brown had a 41.5 verticle jump compared to a 37" for Willimson. Brown ran a 4.45 40 Willimson ran a 4.32. that is the only place Willimson was quicker in the short shuttle Brown ran a 4.0 and Willimson ran a 4.18 in the cone Brown ran a 6.99 and Willimson ran a 7.10

taking all this into consideration and they both have a lot of raw ability I'd take Brown


David Pollack beat Brown and Williamson in the short shuttle and the 3 cone drill.

hendog
03-29-2005, 12:22 PM
BTW - I'll take Clayton.

Natedawg44
03-29-2005, 01:06 PM
Wouldn't shock me at all if Clayton had the best year of any rookie WR next year. Williamson may be faster, but he's as good after the catch as anyone I have ever seen in college football.

InmanRoshi
03-29-2005, 01:37 PM
He reminds me of Josh Reed coming out of LSU. Same size. Great college production. Same recieving style, both of them are best known for run after the catch capability. Lots of people saying they would be the best WR in their class based on college production. Thus far, Reed has been a disappointment in Buffalo.

hendog
03-29-2005, 01:50 PM
He reminds me of Josh Reed coming out of LSU. Same size. Great college production. Same recieving style, both of them are best known for run after the catch capability. Lots of people saying they would be the best WR in their class based on college production. Thus far, Reed has been a disappointment in Buffalo.


I thought Reed would have done better so far. But he's right at 20 pounds heavier than Clayton on a 5' 10" frame. He's doesn't have nearly the explosiveness or RAC ability that MC has shown nor did he in college IMO.

But like I said I thought Reed would do well @ Buffalo.

InmanRoshi
03-29-2005, 01:57 PM
He's doesn't have nearly the explosiveness or RAC ability that MC has shown nor did he in college IMO.

Reed was a converted tailback. RAC was his specialty. He also won the Biletnikoff Award winner given to the nation’s top receiver and set 10 LSU and 5 SEC season-records.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/2002/01/10/reed_draft_ap/

Chocolate Lab
03-29-2005, 02:08 PM
That Reed-Clayton comparison might be a good call, Inman. I'm not an OU fan but I see lots of their games, and Clayton IMO is having his stock run up way too high lately from what I read on these boards. His best asset is runnning after the catch, but I don't know if he'll get enough separation to use that a lot in the pros. (And you can't do that nifty little bubble screen play in the pros.) Not that he'll be terrible, but I wouldn't think he'd be an early first rounder like I see lately. I know people like the Lee Evans comparison, but Evans is faster and was thought to be one of the top two or three players in the country before he tore up his knee. Clayton never was.

BTW, I thought Reed would be a pretty good pro, too, so what do I know. :)

Waffle
03-29-2005, 02:12 PM
Just a hunch, but I think you'll see the Cowboys maneuver around and scoop up Roddy White if Clayton is gone at #20.

royhitshard
03-29-2005, 02:19 PM
I am a huge Clayton fan as well, and think he will have the best year of all rookies.

AsthmaField
03-29-2005, 02:28 PM
He reminds me of Josh Reed coming out of LSU. Same size. Great college production. Same recieving style, both of them are best known for run after the catch capability. Lots of people saying they would be the best WR in their class based on college production. Thus far, Reed has been a disappointment in Buffalo.


It will be different for Clayton here. Remember, in Buffalo the main reason Reed wasn't a success is because the QB throwing him the ball was Bleds....

Uh, nevermind. Scratch that.

InmanRoshi
03-29-2005, 02:29 PM
It will be different for Clayton here. Remember, in Buffalo the main reason Reed wasn't a success is because the QB throwing him the ball was Bleds....

Uh, nevermind. Scratch that.

Hasn't seemed to hurt Eric Moulds much (when he's been healthy).

AsthmaField
03-29-2005, 02:44 PM
Hasn't seemed to hurt Eric Moulds much (when he's been healthy).


I know... I was only joking. I think Bledsoe can put up good numbers for us if we put him in the right situations.

On topic: I like Clayton and think he'll be a good pro. He does run well after the catch, but he seems to have a pretty complete game.

The only problem I see with him is that he's a little shorter than you'd like... but with the new emphasis being put on pass interference that seems to be less of a problem now.

He has much better toughness than Galloway ever had and his hands are very good. I think he'd be a good pick at 20.

ddh33
03-29-2005, 03:06 PM
The Reed comparison is pretty interesting. To be honest, I haven't watched much of him. From the little I did, I do see the comparisons.

I have seen all of Mark Clayton's games. The biggest negative I can give is size and strength. Other than that, he's fearless and will go over the middle. He continually bailed his QBs out of bad throws. He's great after the catch, as everyone knows. He runs good routes. He's a great worker. Seems to be a student of the game. With all of that, I just can't imagine him not being successful - depending on how you define success.

speedkilz88
03-29-2005, 03:58 PM
When did 5-10 become a "shade under 6-0"?:rolleyes:

big dog cowboy
03-29-2005, 04:26 PM
I guess we will just have to taken Williams at #11 so this problem won't ever exist!!! I know I know he won't be there at #11 but it doeson't hurt to dream.

RESIN8
03-29-2005, 05:08 PM
I'd rather have Clayton than Williamson myself. All i keep hearing about Williamson is his size and speed, but he seems more like a projection of success rather than grabbing a guy who is a great football player. Mike Clayton was bashed last year for not having game breaker speed. I think he was said to have run a 4.6 40(same as MW), yet look what type of year he had. WHy? Cause he's damn good football player. Clayonts strength? C'mon the guy was hard to take down and a 4.45 or what ever he ran isn't chopped liver. I too liken the refrence between Clayton and Steve Smith since both are shorter, yet they kind of got the hops to get the jump ball. I would be ecstatic if we got Clayton..

Natedawg44
03-29-2005, 07:04 PM
Reed never proved he could get separation. The best he could muster was a 4.6 Clayton has proven 4.4 speed and is much quicker out of his cuts

lane
03-29-2005, 08:19 PM
i've said it once, i'll say it again, mark clayton would look smashing in blue and silver!!!

btcutter
03-29-2005, 08:32 PM
Reed never proved he could get separation. The best he could muster was a 4.6 Clayton has proven 4.4 speed and is much quicker out of his cuts


There, I agree he is lighting quick out of his cuts and has great suddeness in change of directions. I love to see him run a few reverses for us. Straight line speed is nice but having "moves" is $$

InmanRoshi
03-29-2005, 09:19 PM
Reed never proved he could get separation. The best he could muster was a 4.6 Clayton has proven 4.4 speed and is much quicker out of his cuts

Its not just Josh Reed. As a rule, all of the WR's in that mold have had problems in the NFL. All of the short, slot-typle WR's who had a ton of RAC in college. Think Pete Warrick. Think Troy Edwards. Even the ones that have succeeded, like Rocket Ismail and Santana Moss, have taken 3-4 years to translate their game to the NFL. Even those guys only become solid #2's with injury problems. You just can't juke and jive in secondaries in the NFL like you can in college. The first time you try one of those cutsie 360 spins in an NFL secondary, you'll get your clock cleaned.

People point to Steve Smith and Lee Evans, but both of those guy are more in-line burners in the mold of line of Joey Galloway than a guy who jukes around with the ball in his hands and gets a lot of yards after the catch in opponent's secondaries.