PDA

View Full Version : No FS please


Canada180
03-29-2005, 12:57 PM
what do you guys think about drafting a FS high

I really would be pizzed if we spend higher than a 4th on a FS

what we really need is a PASS RUSH ... bad

if we get Merriman or Spears and that along with ferguson should really help our rush

maybe another LB to replace Coak

If we get a pass rush , just watch how much better the whole secondary gets . And this is not even accounting for Roy roaming closer to the line this yr

NO FS ABOVE THE 4TF RD if at all

bannedontherun 88-peace

jksmith269
03-29-2005, 01:00 PM
I read an article yesterday that said Dallas shouldn't worry about a FS if we get Howard or Merriman because with a good pass rush an average FS will look great.

I don't remember where I read the article but I will look for it and try and post a link....

But that said I do agree we don't need to get to excited about signing a FS. we will be fine with what we have IMO

hendog
03-29-2005, 01:02 PM
I hope you're not satisfied going into the season with L.Scott as our starting FS. Poole or Bullocks in the 2nd would be fine by me. I imagine we'll address the pass rush issues in the 1st, assuming we don't acquire DH.

Jarv
03-29-2005, 01:04 PM
We got a FS when we signed Henry, his name is Pete Hunter. We killed 2 birds with one stone there. Now, I would not mind taken a flyer in the later rounds on a saftey, for backup purposes.

Canada180
03-29-2005, 01:05 PM
why waste a 2nd on a fs when a pss rusher will do the trick just fine and use that pick on wr or rt

jksmith269
03-29-2005, 01:09 PM
I hope you're not satisfied going into the season with L.Scott as our starting FS. Poole or Bullocks in the 2nd would be fine by me. I imagine we'll address the pass rush issues in the 1st, assuming we don't acquire DH.


I think BP is looking more at Keith Davis starting off the preseason as the starter but that said I think it will be like open tryouts between him, Scott, and Hunter for the starting job when the season starts.

hendog
03-29-2005, 01:10 PM
why waste a 2nd on a fs when a pss rusher will do the trick just fine and use that pick on wr or rt


You're wanting to put a pass rusher at FS now. Man Scott and Davis must be bad.

Everlastingxxx
03-29-2005, 01:13 PM
Davis! I like this guy a lot. Was our best special teams player with 2 forced fumbles. A playmaker...hopefully Tuna salad will give him a shot.

Canada180
03-29-2005, 01:14 PM
dont fret , Scott wont even be on this team come game 1

hunter or a late rd pick ; fa rookie , june pickup would be fine IF we get that passrush

it all starts on the line man , all on the line

WV Cowboy
03-29-2005, 01:15 PM
what we really need is a PASS RUSH ... bad


Don't worry, we are going to get a pass rush.

Parcells knows he needs one desperately.

Canada180
03-29-2005, 01:16 PM
yeah , a DL at Fs thats what I meant.. geesh

einstein, you'll figure it out

hendog
03-29-2005, 01:17 PM
why waste a 2nd on a fs when a pss rusher will do the trick just fine and use that pick on wr or rt


Which WR do you think will still be on the board in the 2nd and worthy of that pick? I don't think I'm ready to burn another 2nd on a RT when plenty will be aval. after the June 1st cuts.

hendog
03-29-2005, 01:19 PM
yeah , a DL at Fs thats what I meant.. geesh

einstein, you'll figure it out


You said it genious - not me.

WV Cowboy
03-29-2005, 01:21 PM
You said it genious - not me.
You misspelled genius. :D

hendog
03-29-2005, 01:35 PM
You misspelled genius. :D
Yea well I guess while you were in typing class I was watching your WV Cowboys get spanked by UL. :D

ABQCOWBOY
03-29-2005, 01:48 PM
Spanked? That was actually a pretty close game.

hendog
03-29-2005, 01:53 PM
Spanked? That was actually a pretty close game.
Actually it was a great game and I was pulling for WV all the way. Just trying to have alittle fun.

WV Cowboy
03-29-2005, 02:00 PM
Actually it was a great game and I was pulling for WV all the way. Just trying to have alittle fun.
Yea, between finishing second in the Big East tourney, and making it to the Elite 8, the Mountaineers had a great post season.

Funny thing is, I lived in NC for a while, and have always been a big Tar Heel basketball fan.

In the past it has been WVU in football, and the Tar Heels in basketball.

This year though, the Mountaineers basketball team made me sit up and notice them too.

MichaelWinicki
03-29-2005, 02:49 PM
what do you guys think about drafting a FS high

I really would be pizzed if we spend higher than a 4th on a FS

what we really need is a PASS RUSH ... bad

if we get Merriman or Spears and that along with ferguson should really help our rush

maybe another LB to replace Coak

If we get a pass rush , just watch how much better the whole secondary gets . And this is not even accounting for Roy roaming closer to the line this yr

NO FS ABOVE THE 4TF RD if at all

bannedontherun 88-peace


Obviously you haven't watched the last two Super Bowls where New England using a 3-step drop completely nullified 2 very, very good pass rushing teams.

Pass rush becomes much less important with the short drops.

We need a coverage FS and not drafting one high will cost this team in ways that you could never imagine.

Canada180
03-29-2005, 03:54 PM
obviously you didnt watch either. Dallas wasnt in it.

we are taliking about Dallas and the need for a high pick at fs

we dont need one there . a serviceable FS will be just fine with a decent pass rush

just because NE did it with the 3 step to philly doesnt mean it will always work in every situation

agood line will always serve you better than a fs

Crown Royal
03-29-2005, 03:57 PM
FS was one of the 3 worst defensive positions last offseason. With a LB and DE, we have the cogs in place to attack gaps appropriately, whether it be from the line or sophisticated blitz scheme (something I don't remember us ever having).

If FS is not upgraded, all of what I just said will be moot and our D will be innefective. Our corners play man-man all the time, without help up top we have nothing.

I will be very disappointed if we wait until round 4 to consider this position of great need.

Qwickdraw
03-29-2005, 03:58 PM
I agree on not drafting a FS. The stock of FSs available is weak.
(Should have signed Sharper)
Go with Keith Davis, Pete Hunter and bring in a cheap vet to compete for the job.
With the addition of Henry and a pass rush, the FS spot should be fine.

Crown Royal
03-29-2005, 04:00 PM
I agree on not drafting a FS. The stock of FSs available is weak.
(Should have signed Sharper)
Go with Keith Davis, Pete Hunter and bring in a cheap vet to compete for the job.
With the addition of Henry and a pass rush, the FS spot should be fine.

Did everyone forget how much it hurt last season without Woodson? Do you attribute that ONLY to not having a pass rush? We need better play at safety, book that.

I hope Keith Davis can play there, but if we do not at least try to improve the position, we will be making the same mistake we did at CB last season, when we though just anyone would be better than Mario Edwards.

Canada180
03-29-2005, 04:05 PM
i see what winicki is saying to a point

i think having Roy at ss will help the whole def this yr

a fs at a high pick is a great add on but my feeling mis that we can have our cake and eat it too

we can use that high pick on another area if we get the dl fixed and with Roy moved

I am only stating an idea , it may be wrong but it is only meant to garner discission

bannedontherun-peace

ABQCOWBOY
03-29-2005, 04:20 PM
Let me ask a simple question to those who do not advocate drafting a FS. Is it your intention that we play straight man to man the whole season? Bump and run or what? No cover2 schemes? If this is the case, then OK, we might be able to get away with not drafting a FS. However, if this is not your intent, then you better rethink your choices. In any sort of zone, particularly cover2, your safety play is critical. You must have excellent safety play in order to use cover2. If you don't have it, your going to get torched. There really is no question about this what so ever.

Crown Royal
03-29-2005, 04:21 PM
Let me ask a simple question to those who do not advocate drafting a FS. Is it your intention that we play straight man to man the whole season? Bump and run or what? No cover2 schemes? If this is the case, then OK, we might be able to get away with not drafting a FS. However, if this is not your intent, then you better rethink your choices. In any sort of zone, particularly cover2, your safety play is critical. You must have excellent safety play in order to use cover2. If you don't have it, your going to get torched. There really is no question about this what so ever.
Better not blitz too much, either.

lane
03-29-2005, 07:23 PM
lynn scott will do just fine

cowboybacker4life
03-29-2005, 10:02 PM
Everyone Hunter is a restricted free agent and has not been resigned as of yet

Derinyar
03-29-2005, 10:22 PM
You can only invest so many high picks/FA money in one area thats not a line. WE have 2 top 10 draft picks and a big contract already in the defensive backfield. A legitmate pass rush helps out the whole defense. With the current rules enforcments you just can't cover a player for ever. You have to be able to generate pressure. We haven't been able to do that for a while.

Get the lines right and the team will tend to follow.

zagnut
03-29-2005, 10:58 PM
Did everyone forget how much it hurt last season without Woodson? Do you attribute that ONLY to not having a pass rush? We need better play at safety, book that.

Ha! It was clearly the loss of Ekuban and Blade that made the defense go from first to worst. A great Dline fixes all. I'll not fall for your Woodson stories. :p:

Maxmadden
03-29-2005, 11:28 PM
Let's see, Marion, Washington, Everett, Teauge. All of them were fairly successful here. Marion was the only homegrown the others were all older veteran free agents, but the constant in all of this was Woodson.

I'm not trying to sway the vote either way, but if Woodsons available in the 2cond round I think I would take him.

Hostile
03-30-2005, 06:13 AM
I still hold out hope that Brandon Everage is given another shot and that he is in better shape than last summer.

Saves using a draft pick to acquire a FS.

wahaja
03-30-2005, 09:16 AM
I say we pick up Bullucks or pool in the 2nd Rnd if they fall to us. could you imagine having ROY and one of those guys in the secondary