SA: Garrett defends ‘growing pains'

[CCBoy]

Garrett defends ‘growing pains'
Cowboys coach believes young foundation has team on track.
By Tom Orsborn





IRVING — Jason Garrett is confident the Dallas Cowboys are on the right path even after they lost four of their last five games, including Sunday night's playoffs-or-bust showdown with the New York Giants.

“I believe people believe in the direction we're going in,” Garrett said Monday. “I think there is evidence of positive things, a positive direction we've taken.”

In his first full season as head coach, Garrett fashioned a two-game improvement over 2010's 6-10 showing. He pointed to the Cowboys coming within a win of claiming the NFC East title as proof the franchise is close to being a contender, but there's plenty of evidence to argue they are not that close at all....



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[Dave_in-NC]

Eh, any one expect any thing else?

[CCBoy]

Eh, any one expect any thing else?

Quick question here: Have you ever been responsible for a large group of adults? Say, in the neighborhood of 120+ group size...and still responsible for group improvements and individual development?

[Dave_in-NC]

Quick question here: Have you ever been responsible for a large group of adults? Say, in the neighborhood of 120+ group size...and still responsible for group improvements and individual development?

Yup. I have. Not sure what that has to do with. "Did any one expect different." Garrett gives standard answers on every thing he's asked. No biggie really.

[BraveHeartFan]

Yup. I have. Not sure what that has to do with. "Did any one expect different." Garrett gives standard answers on every thing he's asked. No biggie really.


I expected nothing less. That's his way of doing things when it comes to the media and I'm perfectly fine with that.


I am curious though, so I'll ask, what job were you doing when you were watching over so many folks?

[Dave_in-NC]

I expected nothing less. That's his way of doing things when it comes to the media and I'm perfectly fine with that.


I am curious though, so I'll ask, what job were you doing when you were watching over so many folks?

President of a youth soccer organization. Had right at 4500 kids.
That gave me around 7500 parents and roughly 400 coaches.
Countless adults to deal with.

Talk about a rough job.

[CCBoy]

Yup. I have. Not sure what that has to do with. "Did any one expect different." Garrett gives standard answers on every thing he's asked. No biggie really.

Then if that is true, then you are also aware of why no other approach in description, by Garrett, would be appropriate the what is immediately in view is intended directions attempted. To include a further evaluation of players and their roles moving forward, will take an intensive effort by a large number of people and over time. To before the media, at this point, to address anything more than intent of himself, or the franchise, would be irresponsible as well as potentiall harmful to himself, the team, and players involved. But you already know that and have stated such....

[Dave_in-NC]

Then if that is true, then you are also aware of why no other approach in description, by Garrett, would be appropriate the what is immediately in view is intended directions attempted. To include a further evaluation of players and their roles moving forward, will take an intensive effort by a large number of people and over time. To before the media, at this point, to address anything more than intent of himself, or the franchise, would be irresponsible as well as potentiall harmful to himself, the team, and players involved. But you already know that and have stated such....

I agree. What I would like is some tidbit though. Throw us a bone.
Cowboy fans want to know some thing about our future to cling to.
He's just dry but that's his style I guess.

[CCBoy]

President of a youth soccer organization. Had right at 4500 kids.
That gave me around 7500 parents and roughly 400 coaches.
Countless adults to deal with.

Talk about a rough job.

I commend you for participation and providing opportunity for youth. But I dare say the risk/reward for an appointed position in public leagues is quite the extent of comparison here. I thank you for undertaking such a task.

But how many press conferences did it take you going through on the play of a single kid out for soccer?

I guess that the mean average of salary for those kids was in the million dollar range as well. The equipment, and arena of play, touching the billion regions?

Just based upon perspective, one can see a lacking in just taking an opinion disjointed from specifics of application. Not insult in effort here, just a validity of applications...as in a discussion.

[CCBoy]

I agree. What I would like is some tidbit though. Throw us a bone.
Cowboy fans want to know some thing about our future to cling to.
He's just dry but that's his style I guess.

Dave, I have absolutely no problem with yourself at all. You are a great fan, and loyal to the Cowboys.

As you, I, and all Cowboy fans are thirsting right now, is strength of positive indicators for progress and going into the future.

Here, the system of change has to be responsibly protected by process. That involves Jason Garrett as well. Since he is a very reasoned person, he doesn't allow release of a personal emotion to affect his own process. That's just the way it is. Hey, it's not always easy, but as fans sometimes just have to understand the process itself, and painfully be patient for concrete indicators.

In the meantime, we can discuss any and everthing that affects a palat for alternatives that come into play. This, you already know...and I understand.

[Dave_in-NC]

I commend you for participation and providing opportunity for youth. But I dare say the risk/reward for an appointed position in public leagues is quite the extent of comparison here. I thank you for undertaking such a task.

But how many press conferences did it take you going through on the play of a single kid out for soccer?

I guess that the mean average of salary for those kids was in the million dollar range as well. The equipment, and arena of play, touching the billion regions?

Just based upon perspective, one can see a lacking in just taking an opinion disjointed from specifics of application. Not insult in effort here, just a validity of applications...as in a discussion.



But how many press conferences did it take you going through on the play of a single kid out for soccer?

It was worse. Teams full of parents questioning coaches who played the "kid who shouldn't be on the team" way after that coach couldn't put out the fire.
I guarntee JG doesn't get the tounge lashings I did from any one.

I guess that the mean average of salary for those kids was in the million dollar range as well. The equipment, and arena of play, touching the billion regions?

New complexes being built, maintenance and equipment,fees and things I'm forgetting? A few million.

Oh and I got paid nothing in terms of dollars. It actually cost me because every child played no matter their parents income. My pay was knowing the kids played under a well structured environment.

[kmp77]

“I believe people believe in the direction we're going in,” Garrett said Monday. “I think there is evidence of positive things, a positive direction we've taken.”


The offense sucks (predictable, bad OC, bad OL, WRs don't get open).
The defense sucks (no pressure, bad CBs, bad DBs, blown assignments, dumb players).
Special teams mostly sucks aside from kicker.



What a great direction!!!! :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[CCBoy]

The offense sucks (predictable, bad OC, bad OL, WRs don't get open).
The defense sucks (no pressure, bad CBs, bad DBs, blown assignments, dumb players).
Special teams mostly sucks aside from kicker.



What a great direction!!!! :laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

Your insights here? Here's what the article included:


Although he never termed this season a rebuilding year after releasing such high-priced players as Andre Gurode, Leonard Davis, Marion Barber and others, Garrett hinted at his season-ending news conference that that was indeed the case.



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[BraveHeartFan]

President of a youth soccer organization. Had right at 4500 kids.
That gave me around 7500 parents and roughly 400 coaches.
Countless adults to deal with.

Talk about a rough job.

Oh man can I feel for you. Having coached in a kids flag football league, been an official in a youth tackle football league, and running the adult flag football league I know exactly the challenges you face with not only the players, and coaches, but most importantly the parents and fans.

There are days in those situations that make it all worth it and its so fun you enjoy it all and there are days in those offices that are so awful that it makes you hate the sport itself for a moment.


Big props to you for taking on such thing. That's awesome.

[Dave_in-NC]

Dave, I have absolutely no problem with yourself at all. You are a great fan, and loyal to the Cowboys.

As you, I, and all Cowboy fans are thirsting right now, is strength of positive indicators for progress and going into the future.

Here, the system of change has to be responsibly protected by process. That involves Jason Garrett as well. Since he is a very reasoned person, he doesn't allow release of a personal emotion to affect his own process. That's just the way it is. Hey, it's not always easy, but as fans sometimes just have to understand the process itself, and painfully be patient for concrete indicators.

In the meantime, we can discuss any and everthing that affects a palat for alternatives that come into play. This, you already know...and I understand.

I'm rough edged around here I know that. Most of the time this place is my release more than any thing. I have a pretty good sense of humor that can't be recognized on the Internet. I learned a long time ago that football is entertainment. I love the Cowboys and some times lose sight that even though I love them they are part of the entertainment.

Jerry has just always rubbed me the wrong way with his stubbornness. It's just what it is.

[CCBoy]

But how many press conferences did it take you going through on the play of a single kid out for soccer?

It was worse. Teams full of parents questioning coaches who played the "kid who shouldn't be on the team" way after that coach couldn't put out the fire.
I guarntee JG doesn't get the tounge lashings I did from any one.

I guess that the mean average of salary for those kids was in the million dollar range as well. The equipment, and arena of play, touching the billion regions?

New complexes being built, maintenance and equipment,fees and things I'm forgetting? A few million.

Oh and I got paid nothing in terms of dollars. It actually cost me because every child played no matter their parents income. My pay was knowing the kids played under a well structured environment.

I was in charge of a Tank Firing Range at Fort Knox, Ky. I was responsible for the complete control and safety of 120+ daily. The firing range was provided by a contribution of Saudi Arabia for $16 M. The environemental impact survey cost over $1.2 M and took a year before it's construction.

From the tower, I controlled the live fire, day and night, of 12 tanks on line. Each of which worth a cost of $1.25M apiece.

Out a side window of that tower, I could see the factory for Louisville Slugger bats.

But that reference set is apart from what is involved with Jason Garrett and considerations to his role with the Cowboys.

I was responsible for the complete safety of all on the range, in support and being trained...but it still doesn't approach the magnitude and function that Jason Garrett must keep under his hat.

[Dave_in-NC]

Oh man can I feel for you. Having coached in a kids flag football league, been an official in a youth tackle football league, and running the adult flag football league I know exactly the challenges you face with not only the players, and coaches, but most importantly the parents and fans.

There are days in those situations that make it all worth it and its so fun you enjoy it all and there are days in those offices that are so awful that it makes you hate the sport itself for a moment.


Big props to you for taking on such thing. That's awesome.

It's amazing isn't it? Then I'm surrounded by the USMC who think every thing in their kids lives should be as regimented as their jobs are.
Oh well, I get the last laugh most times.
:beer2:

[Dave_in-NC]

I was in charge of a Tank Firing Range at Fort Knox, Ky. I was responsible for the complete control and safety of 120+ daily. The firing range was provided by a contribution of Saudi Arabia for $16 M. The environemental impact survey cost over $1.2 M and took a year before it's construction.

From the tower, I controlled the live fire, day and night, of 12 tanks on line. Each of which worth a cost of $1.25M apiece.

Out a side window of that tower, I could see the factory for Louisville Slugger bats.

But that reference set is apart from what is involved with Jason Garrett and considerations to his role with the Cowboys.

I was responsible for the complete safety of all on the range, in support and being trained...but it still doesn't approach the magnitude and function that Jason Garrett must keep under his hat.

Your selling yourself way short my friend.

[ninja]

“We moved on from some older players that probably would have given us maybe a better chance to win right now because we wanted to take it in a different direction,” Garrett said.

Who are these older players? Barber? Roy Williams? Davis? Colombo? Gurode? Hurd? Does Garrett actually think those older players would have helped win some games? If so, he is not only stupid but delusional.

Someone needs to ask the "Human Computer" Garrett if he thinks older players like James, Brooking, and Newman were a plus for the team this year.

Note to Garrett: Barber, Williams, Davis, Colombo, Gurode, Hurd, Newman, Brooking, and Newman all absolutely suck.

[BraveHeartFan]

I was in charge of a Tank Firing Range at Fort Knox, Ky. I was responsible for the complete control and safety of 120+ daily. The firing range was provided by a contribution of Saudi Arabia for $16 M. The environemental impact survey cost over $1.2 M and took a year before it's construction.

From the tower, I controlled the live fire, day and night, of 12 tanks on line. Each of which worth a cost of $1.25M apiece.

Out a side window of that tower, I could see the factory for Louisville Slugger bats.

But that reference set is apart from what is involved with Jason Garrett and considerations to his role with the Cowboys.

I was responsible for the complete safety of all on the range, in support and being trained...but it still doesn't approach the magnitude and function that Jason Garrett must keep under his hat.

What you're doing there is far more important and critical than anything Jason Garrett is doing or dealing with.

[yimyammer]

I don't have a problem with growing pains if they would quit insulting our intelligence and just admit we're in a rebuilding phase and the team is lacking in talent. It seems to me the organization is afraid of telling the obvious truth because they actually believe the fans would be shocked if they just came out and said what is obvious. I hate political correctness in any arena. I also think it would be a good thing if the players heard from the owner and coach that the talent is lacking, needs vast improvement and we're not a "very, very good team".

The dilemma the coaches and organization have imo is the age of the key players, Romo, Ware & Witten, with Romo being the biggest concern. We lose him and we're dead in the water. My concern is they wont be able to rebuild the team fast enough and still have him performing at a high level. So by the time they prop up the rest of the roster, the most important position will be in a severe state of decline, injured or out of the league altogether.

I've said it for years but I don't think they have placed enough value in the concept of the team and getting the best 53 vs having a few stars try and drag the entire team through a long season fraught with injuries and attrition.

[Dave_in-NC]

I don't have a problem with growing pains if they would quit insulting our intelligence and just admit we're in a rebuilding phase and the team is lacking in talent. It seems to me the organization is afraid of telling the obvious truth because they actually believe the fans would be shocked if they just came out and said what is obvious. I hate political correctness in any arena. I also think it would be a good thing if the players heard from the owner and coach that the talent is lacking, needs vast improvement and we're not a "very, very good team".

The dilemma the coaches and organization have imo is the age of the key players, Romo, Ware & Witten, with Romo being the biggest concern. We lose him and we're dead in the water. My concern is they wont be able to rebuild the team fast enough and still have him performing at a high level. So by the time they prop up the rest of the roster, the most important position will be in a severe state of decline, injured or out of the league altogether.

I've said it for years but I don't think they have placed enough value in the concept of the team and getting the best 53 vs having a few stars try and drag the entire team through a long season fraught with injuries and attrition.

This. It's almost insulting that Jerry would think he's really buffaloing the fans. All teams go through this process. Just say "hey we are going to get this ship righted" Not "We are a very good team" after an 8-8 season.

[Chocolate Lab]

“We moved on from some older players that probably would have given us maybe a better chance to win right now because we wanted to take it in a different direction,” Garrett said.

Who are these older players? Barber? Roy Williams? Davis? Colombo? Gurode? Hurd? Does Garrett actually think those older players would have helped win some games? If so, he is not only stupid but delusional.
Exactly.

Makes you wonder if he truly believes that or if he's just trying to spin it. I say it's the latter.

[28 Joker]

I supported Garrett after he turned the team around, but Garrett made some critical tactical mistakes in losses to the Lions, Patriots, and Cardinals. Solid coaching should have been the difference in those games.

I fully expected at least 10 wins and the playoffs. However, the Cowboys gave the division away at home (Giants) and gave away the home playoff game, too. I'm convinced that this core of players will never see an NFC Championship Game appearance, much less a Super Bowl.

Is there any doubt that New England's head coach could take Dallas' team and beat his own (back in October)?

Not for me.

[arglebargle]

....

Is there any doubt that New England's head coach could take Dallas' team and beat his own (back in October)?

Not for me.

Mr. Belicheat's first years as a Browns' head coach were not so full of glory.

Just pointing that out.


Think the Browns maybe wish they'd kept him?

[arglebargle]

“We moved on from some older players that probably would have given us maybe a better chance to win right now because we wanted to take it in a different direction,” Garrett said.

Who are these older players? Barber? Roy Williams? Davis? Colombo? Gurode? Hurd? Does Garrett actually think those older players would have helped win some games? If so, he is not only stupid but delusional.

Someone needs to ask the "Human Computer" Garrett if he thinks older players like James, Brooking, and Newman were a plus for the team this year.

Note to Garrett: Barber, Williams, Davis, Colombo, Gurode, Hurd, Newman, Brooking, and Newman all absolutely suck.

Are you being intentionally clueless?

Garrett gains nothing by running down his older players, other than looking like a donkey.

I'm pretty sure they were aware of the limitations on the older guys they kept, there just weren't viable, affordable replacements. And I note, they DID try to replace Newmann.

I don't think any team in the league has a 'magic fixit wand'.

[ninja]

Are you being intentionally clueless?

Garrett gains nothing by running down his older players, other than looking like a donkey.

I'm pretty sure they were aware of the limitations on the older guys they kept, there just weren't viable, affordable replacements. And I note, they DID try to replace Newmann.

I don't think any team in the league has a 'magic fixit wand'.

Are you being intentionally clueless or do you lack reading and comprehension skills?

[trueblue1687]

Then if that is true, then you are also aware of why no other approach in description, by Garrett, would be appropriate the what is immediately in view is intended directions attempted. To include a further evaluation of players and their roles moving forward, will take an intensive effort by a large number of people and over time. To before the media, at this point, to address anything more than intent of himself, or the franchise, would be irresponsible as well as potentiall harmful to himself, the team, and players involved. But you already know that and have stated such....

That is the fault of Garrett: a softie when it comes to accountability. He's gonna take the PC route instead of making the general statement that there is ALOT of work to be done. Implicit praise for progress is the REALLY harmful statement. He should grow a pair and start chopping off some heads. An appropriate repsonse may have sounded something like: stay tuned for some more fine tuning...we obviously underperformed this season. Tacit approval of mediocre play is a defeatist mentality. That said, his press conferences are pure BS that says absolutely nothing.

[visionary]

Mr. Belicheat's first years as a Browns' head coach were not so full of glory.

Just pointing that out.


Think the Browns maybe wish they'd kept him?

yep, the example of the one coach fired by one team that goes on to become great with another team

as opposed to the hundreds of underperforming coaches who were fired from their teams and either amounted to nothing or were always mediocre

yeah, it makes sense to base our operations on the exception rather than the rule

this is the same logic being used by homers on this board when people would point out that the team was playing poorly, "well, how was GB playing last year and they went on to win the SB"

yeah they did, but that was the exception, that is not the norm
this stuff works only in hindsight
you cant base your decisions on rarities or exceptions

no surprise that we are the doormat because we make stupid decisions on whims and fancies (like hiring an OC to be the HC when he was not even a good OC just because "he is in the family portrait")

[CCBoy]

That is the fault of Garrett: a softie when it comes to accountability. He's gonna take the PC route instead of making the general statement that there is ALOT of work to be done. Implicit praise for progress is the REALLY harmful statement. He should grow a pair and start chopping off some heads. An appropriate repsonse may have sounded something like: stay tuned for some more fine tuning...we obviously underperformed this season. Tacit approval of mediocre play is a defeatist mentality. That said, his press conferences are pure BS that says absolutely nothing.

Not really, from a leadership perspective. Do you remember a presser with Bill Parcells. The extent of most of his comments, was a sly remark insulting the media person asking the question and following that with a smirk of personal philosophy.

Jason Garrett is more cerebral in his approaches, but tells a true storyline that reveals how things are being approached and fed to the players. That is relevant...and in vein of a Tom Landry, effective.