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Chuck 54
01-04-2012, 11:58 AM
The following players are likely to be available around the 14th slot:

David DeCastro, G, Stanford
Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College
Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama
Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama

Which player do you take?

Or do you move down some in round 1, pick up extra draft choices and select among:

Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC
Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama

I hate that we missed the playoffs, but we're certainly going to have top prospects at many of our need areas at #14 and below.

Joe Rod
01-04-2012, 12:02 PM
The following players are likely to be available around the 14th slot:

David DeCastro, G, Stanford
Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College
Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama
Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama

Which player do you take?

Or do you move down some in round 1, pick up extra draft choices and select among:

Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC
Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama

I hate that we missed the playoffs, but we're certainly going to have top prospects at many of our need areas at #14 and below.

Upshaw would be very tempting, but I would take DeCastro.

aikemirv
01-04-2012, 12:03 PM
The following players are likely to be available around the 14th slot:

David DeCastro, G, Stanford
Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College
Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama
Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama

Which player do you take?

Or do you move down some in round 1, pick up extra draft choices and select among:

Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC
Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama

I hate that we missed the playoffs, but we're certainly going to have top prospects at many of our need areas at #14 and below.

While we need a good G I go CB. I think you have a better chance getting a good G ( possibly starter) in the 2nd round than you do getting a starter CB there.

That is just me.

THUMPER
01-04-2012, 12:04 PM
The following players are likely to be available around the 14th slot:

David DeCastro, G, Stanford
Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College
Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama
Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama

Which player do you take?

Or do you move down some in round 1, pick up extra draft choices and select among:

Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC
Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama

I hate that we missed the playoffs, but we're certainly going to have top prospects at many of our need areas at #14 and below.

OG/C is our biggest need so I would go with DeCastro. If a top CB drops to #14 then I would take him.

I am very against moving down for more picks. We need quality talent not more scrubs.

Doomsday101
01-04-2012, 12:06 PM
after consulting with some gerbals I was informed that

We could go with dis (DeCastro) or we coule go with dat (Dre Kirkpatrick)


:laugh2:

Alexander
01-04-2012, 12:08 PM
OG/C is our biggest need so I would go with DeCastro. If a top CB drops to #14 then I would take him.

I am very against moving down for more picks. We need quality talent not more scrubs.

The problem with the middle of the round is that it is a zone where you are not always getting quality talent. It depends on the draft and how it is approached. If the idea is to take the best player, regardless of position, it can work. If the idea is to take the "best CB left" or some other need, it can be worse than trading down as the talent is often graded the same as the end of the round.

I do not like moving around in drafts, but we may not have a choice to just sit pat. We have so many depth issues (20 plus players hitting free agency) that we could need to add some additional choices unless free agency can fill some.

tm1119
01-04-2012, 12:38 PM
While we need a good G I go CB. I think you have a better chance getting a good G ( possibly starter) in the 2nd round than you do getting a starter CB there.

That is just me.

At least 2 of Boykin, Minnifield, Hayward, Hosely, and Jenkins will be there for us in the 2nd. There's no need to pick a cb at 14 just because its a need. We need to go highest ranked player on our board at OG, CB, or OLB. And there's still tons of time to determine who that will be.

Bigtommyb
01-04-2012, 12:46 PM
The following players are likely to be available around the 14th slot:

David DeCastro, G, Stanford
Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College
Courtney Upshaw, DE/OLB, Alabama
Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama

Which player do you take?

Or do you move down some in round 1, pick up extra draft choices and select among:

Nick Perry, DE/OLB, USC
Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama

I hate that we missed the playoffs, but we're certainly going to have top prospects at many of our need areas at #14 and below.




Whitney Mercilus from ILLINOIS, OR Upshaw, but Upshaw defenitely won't be there. If they are not i'd go CB, Stephon Gilmore from SouthCarolina. 6'1 195.

ABQCOWBOY
01-04-2012, 12:49 PM
The problem with the middle of the round is that it is a zone where you are not always getting quality talent. It depends on the draft and how it is approached. If the idea is to take the best player, regardless of position, it can work. If the idea is to take the "best CB left" or some other need, it can be worse than trading down as the talent is often graded the same as the end of the round.

I do not like moving around in drafts, but we may not have a choice to just sit pat. We have so many depth issues (20 plus players hitting free agency) that we could need to add some additional choices unless free agency can fill some.

Hey Al, how have you been?

I think you are correct in that we may be forced to move either up or down and that's not good. When you are forced to do something, it usually means that Jerry will give up more then he needs to in order to facilitate. That's never good.

Bigtommyb
01-04-2012, 12:50 PM
after consulting with some gerbals I was informed that

We could go with dis (DeCastro) or we coule go with dat (Dre Kirkpatrick)


:laugh2:



Kilpatrick will be gone before fourteen, believe me. First cb off the board.

tm1119
01-04-2012, 12:53 PM
Kilpatrick will be gone before fourteen, believe me. First cb off the board.

Heard of Morris Claiborne?

Doomsday101
01-04-2012, 01:01 PM
Kilpatrick will be gone before fourteen, believe me. First cb off the board.

I think as has just been pointed out Morris Claiborne will be the 1st CB taken. I understand Kilpatrick could be gone by 14 but the draft always seems to have some surprises in guys not going as fast as some of the experts think.

MichaelWinicki
01-04-2012, 01:06 PM
DeCastro.

VACowboy
01-04-2012, 01:09 PM
Sprint to the podium and select DeCastro.

Chuck 54
01-04-2012, 01:37 PM
As bad as our defense has been, I have to agree with running to the podium to select DeCastro from Stanford...he's huge, and he's supposed to be possibly the best interior lineman in the past decade...that's saying a lot considering Iupati ended up starting this past year.

Could the kid from Stanford be another Larry Allen, who was a second rounder, by the way?

Bigdog
01-04-2012, 02:25 PM
At least 2 of Boykin, Minnifield, Hayward, Hosely, and Jenkins will be there for us in the 2nd. There's no need to pick a cb at 14 just because its a need. We need to go highest ranked player on our board at OG, CB, or OLB. And there's still tons of time to determine who that will be.

Agree

aikemirv
01-04-2012, 02:59 PM
At least 2 of Boykin, Minnifield, Hayward, Hosely, and Jenkins will be there for us in the 2nd. There's no need to pick a cb at 14 just because its a need. We need to go highest ranked player on our board at OG, CB, or OLB. And there's still tons of time to determine who that will be.

I agree with that and I would not reach, but if I have them ranked together on my board I take CB over G unless the depth at that position that year dictates different. I don't study the draft prospects much, but if, like you said, the depth of the draft dictates G 1st and CB second you have to do that.

VACowboy
01-04-2012, 03:05 PM
The all-star games and combine can't get here soon enough.

windward
01-04-2012, 03:13 PM
DeCastro every day and twice on Sunday. CB is deep this year.

hipfake08
01-04-2012, 03:37 PM
I am just hoping more top tier players declare.
That way more talent and the player we want is sitting there.....

TheCount
01-04-2012, 03:49 PM
Easy pick for me, DeCastro.


DeCastro every day and twice on Sunday. CB is deep this year.

So is guard, technically.

Dash28
01-04-2012, 04:05 PM
I go DeCastro at this moment.

casmith07
01-04-2012, 04:08 PM
Heard of Morris Claiborne?

Kirkpatrick is a much better tackler than Claiborne.

Claiborne reminds me a lot of Newman.

Dash28
01-04-2012, 04:10 PM
Kirkpatrick is a much better tackler than Claiborne.

Claiborne reminds me a lot of Newman.
Kirkpatrick is the better tackler but I don't see the Newman comparison for Clai.

unionjack8
01-04-2012, 06:11 PM
Decastro and its not open for debate imo unless dre is there(i expect claiborne gone)

dmq
01-04-2012, 09:11 PM
Anyone know what kind of chances we have at DeCasto being there at 14? I know it is pretty impossible to answer, but is he falling to get to us at 14? I have the same feeling that I did when this went on with T Smith. I kept thinking someone would grab him before we got him.

casmith07
01-04-2012, 09:59 PM
Kirkpatrick is the better tackler but I don't see the Newman comparison for Clai.

From college, you'd see it big time. Similar build, similar style of play. Not overly physical at the point of attack, etc. More of a "submarine tackler."

Oh_Canada
01-05-2012, 07:32 AM
I trade down and take Dennard (though I'd still prefer a pressure player)...than take Amini Silatolu in the second round.

Avery
01-05-2012, 10:32 AM
Decastro. We can nickname him Decastration after he rips the opponents balls off and hands them back to them.

Joe Rod
01-05-2012, 10:55 AM
Anyone know what kind of chances we have at DeCasto being there at 14? I know it is pretty impossible to answer, but is he falling to get to us at 14? I have the same feeling that I did when this went on with T Smith. I kept thinking someone would grab him before we got him.

Guards don't usually go very high in the draft, but the new cap rules on rookies might change that. Iupati went 17th a few years back to the 49ers and he was the best Guard Prospect to come out in some time. I presonally would expect DeCastro to be there if Dallas wants him.

Doomsday101
01-05-2012, 10:59 AM
Guards don't usually go very high in the draft, but the new cap rules on rookies might change that. Iupati went 17th a few years back to the 49ers and he was the best Guard Prospect to come out in some time. I presonally would expect DeCastro to be there if Dallas wants him.

I agree that top G will fall mid to late 1st rd. In the case of DeCastro he is the top G in the nation and he should fall mid portion of the draft and it so happens we have a pick in the middle of the 1st as well as a big time need for improvements on the OL. Seems a match made in heaven. If Cowboys were picking in the top 10 DeCastro I doubt would be getting this much talk but at 14 yeah.

AmishCowboy
01-05-2012, 11:18 AM
Decastro, no question, An instant starter.

Deep_Freeze
01-05-2012, 02:07 PM
I agree that top G will fall mid to late 1st rd. In the case of DeCastro he is the top G in the nation and he should fall mid portion of the draft and it so happens we have a pick in the middle of the 1st as well as a big time need for improvements on the OL. Seems a match made in heaven. If Cowboys were picking in the top 10 DeCastro I doubt would be getting this much talk but at 14 yeah.

Well I wouldn't be upset if DeCastro is drafted, guess if we are picking an OL this high in the first round I have to wonder why it wouldn't be a OT with all the issues we saw Free have this last year. I figure Free could be a much better guard than DeCastro next year if we had another OT.

We could have DeCastro, great......Free would still get abused by Tuck just like he did JPP, we can't expect to hide him on the right side.

Doomsday101
01-05-2012, 02:43 PM
Well I wouldn't be upset if DeCastro is drafted, guess if we are picking an OL this high in the first round I have to wonder why it wouldn't be a OT with all the issues we saw Free have this last year. I figure Free could be a much better guard than DeCastro next year if we had another OT.

We could have DeCastro, great......Free would still get abused by Tuck just like he did JPP, we can't expect to hide him on the right side.

Top OT as we saw last year will go in the 1st part of the 1st rd. Top G will normally fall in the middle portion of the 1st rd. As for moving Free to G I'm not looking to experiment. We know Free can play the RT he has shown that. I like LT with Smith and Free back to RT.

Again I'm open to other picks in the 1st rd depending on how the draft falls but if on draft day DeCastro is still there at 14 I have no problem taking the best interior lineman in the nation as my 1st pick.

I guess what I’m saying I’m not looking for the 3rd or 4th best player at a position in the 1st rd I want the best player out there at a certain position of need. In this case I think DeCastro fits that bill

Deep_Freeze
01-05-2012, 02:57 PM
Top OT as we saw last year will go in the 1st part of the 1st rd. Top G will normally fall in the middle portion of the 1st rd. As for moving Free to G I'm not looking to experiment. We know Free can play the RT he has shown that. I like LT with Smith and Free back to RT.

Again I'm open to other picks in the 1st rd depending on how the draft falls but if on draft day DeCastro is still there at 14 I have no problem taking the best interior lineman in the nation as my 1st pick.

I guess what I’m saying I’m not looking for the 3rd or 4th best player at a position in the 1st rd I want the best player out there at a certain position of need. In this case I think DeCastro fits that bill

Actually I'm not sure what Free can do after this year (he had shown he could play LT and look what happened), he looked so foolish out there that sometimes it should make you doubt whether he should be on the edge at all. Of course having the best player at a position in a draft is good, but it does depend on the position, and I don't see us talking about taking the best fullback in the first round.

Extreme case, but the point is, positions do mean something. We drafted 2 guards just last year, plus a OT. Now, after our D looked like a high school squad out there, I believe it is overkill. We do have other needs, and I would rather fill a guard in FA for now then use another first rounder.

ABQcowboyJR
01-05-2012, 03:42 PM
I take one of the premier corners if they fall or the best pass rusher on our board. D-fence

ZeroClub
01-05-2012, 03:47 PM
It'd be great to get the top Guard. I hope it works out.

Cowboys&LakersFan
01-05-2012, 05:24 PM
We should take DeCastro if he's available.