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[Randy White]

NFL first 24 picks Mock as of 1/14/2012

Overall:

1st: Colts = Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
any questions ?

2nd: Rams = Matt Kalil, OT, USC
J.Blackmon was a possibility, but keeping Stafford healty is a bigger priority and now that Fisher is the HC, the passing game is not going to be one.

3rd: Vikings = Justin Blackmon, WR, OKst
The Vikings are going to be in a crossroad with this pick. Morris Claiborne or Justin Blackmon ? Big need for both, but they need to get Ponder some weapons. This might be a spot to move into for RGIII if the Dolphins or Redskins are interested. Side note: with Cam Newton exploding into the scene, the Vikings have an intriguing prospect in Joe Webb, who's just as good an athlete as Newton, and almost as big. Keep an eye out on that situation

4th: Browns = Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
No brainer. Putting aside the fact that he's a terrific prospect and he fills one of their biggest needs, he's going to put butts on that stadium as soon as he takes over. They'd be stupid to pass on him.

5th: Bucs = Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
Terrific player, fills a huge need, they'd be thrilled if he's available at this spot.

6th: Redskins = Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
If they don't move up for RGIII, this is their pick. Shannahan loves CBs ( remember he traded Portis for Champ Bailey ) and DEs. Quick: who starts opposite of Hall ? No, I couldn't think of his name either. Coples could be a pick here also, but Dre's position is harder to find.

7th: Jaguars = Quinton Coples, DE, NC
Both Coples and Kirkpatrick could switch teams come draft day. Jaguars would take the one that the Redskins passes on since they have a need for both.

* 8th: Panthers = Alshon Jeffery, WR, SC
The Panthers will most likely trade out of this spot. They have an incredibly young roster, which makes it hard to target a player to them. The one thing they don't have is a guy who can take some pressure off 32 year old Steve Smith. Jeffery is a big time playmaker, in the Megatron mold, and although things change before the draft and Jeffery might move up some, I'll admit that this is probably too early. Still, he'd be a dangerous guy in this offense with Newton. Julio Jones and A.J. Green's success might also influence this selection.

* 9th: Dolphins = Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
Dolphins biggest need right now is O-line. Carey is likely gone and Murtha is coming back from a pectoral injury. Jake Long's history of injuries is also becoming a problem. Jonathan Martin from Stanford is another option here.

10th: Bills = Melvin Ingram, OLB, SC
Fills their #1 need, even though Andre Branch is probably the better player.

**11th: Chiefs = Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
Richardson is a perfect guy for them and they'd be ecstatic if he fell to that spot.

** 12: Seahawks = Andre Branch, DE, Clemson
No QB left on the board, no need for OL, DB, RB or WR help, but they don't have a top of the line DE. Branch could potentially be that guy. Michael Brockers from LSU could also go here.


* = coin flip will determine final order
** = coin flip will determine final order

[rkell87]

you only posted 12???


btw please not barron in the first, this saftey class is weak and he probably should be a late 2nd rounder at best

[Randy White]

13th: Cardinals = Jonathan Martin, OT, Standford
If the Dolphins take Martin, AZ would take Reiff. Also, if the Seahawks opt for Brockers instead of Branch, then Branch could go here too.

14th: Cowboys Mark Barron, S, Alabama.
I know the popular pick is DeCastro and he might well be the guy. However, I don't need to tell any of you guys about our defensive backfield problems. Barron will be an immediate starter at the team's current biggest weakness. He's also a highly rated player coming into this draft. I also have another dark horse that might surprise a few of you: Sam Montgomery, DE/OLB, LSU.

15th: Eagles = Luke Kuechly, MLB, Boston College
Obvious need, perfect fit.

16th: J-E-T-S = Sam Montgomery, DE/OLB, LSU.
The Jets desperately need a pass rusher. This is Montgomery's speciality. At 6'4, 250 lbs, he could be exactly what they're looking for.

17th: Bengals ( from Raidus )= Vontaze Burfict, OLB, ASU
This would probably be a BPA selection here. Michael Brockers could go here too, but Vontaze fills a slighty bigger need than Brockers or maybe Brockers overlaps Burfict because of his let down this year. The Bengals biggest need is actually CB, but the best one available is Dennard, who's stock is falling.

18th: Chargers = David DeCastro, G, Stanford
That guy you just saw running down the street naked was Philip Rivers who was drunk on happyness after this pick.

19th: Bears = Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
No brainer for the Bears, who's D-line needs the talent. Devon Still could also be a pick here if Brockers is no longer available.

20th: Titans = Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
If Jeffery is available here, he'd be the guy, but Floyd is no slouch himself. Fills an immediate need and provides a potential goto guy for Jake Locker.

21st: Bengals = Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
The Bengals get their man after all. Dennard's instincts are good, but he's going to need work, much like Prince Amukamara. However, unlike Amukamara, he's a natural CB, so the project's timeline should be shorter.

22nd: Browns ( from Atlanta ) = Lamar Miller, RB, University of Miami
RGIII and Miller.. A tremendous explosive combination that could score at anytime from anywhere. The Browns offense would instantly become nuclear with those 2.

23rd: Lions = Kevin Reddick, OLB, NC
Perfect match for a defense that desperately needs LB help and fits his talents like a glove.

24th: Steelers = Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
The Steelers could go in several directions here. Devon Still is also a possibility, but Harrison is 33 years old and James Farrior is 37 years old. Jarvis would provide depth at both positions with his size ( 6'3, 240 lbs ).

[Randy White]

you only posted 12???


btw please not barron in the first, this saftey class is weak and he probably should be a late 2nd rounder at best

Patience, please..

Barron will not last past the first round. Steelers, Jets, Bengals, Bears, Packers, and Texans, would jump on him in a hearbeat.

[dboy214]

i'm also intrigued by mingo's freak athleticism.

[rkell87]

Patience, please..

Barron will not last past the first round. Steelers, Jets, Bengals, Bears, Packers, and Texans, would jump on him in a hearbeat.

good let them, let somebody else over draft a player because of need

[Randy White]

good let them, let somebody else over draft a player because of need

" overdraft " ? Where do you think Barron ranks, overall, coming into this draft ?

[rkell87]

" overdraft " ? Where do you think Barron ranks, overall, coming into this draft ?

i really don't care where he ranks, he isn't a first round talent imo but is the best in this class meaning he will be selected earlier than he should hence 'over drafted'

[dboy214]

this is what wes bunting said about barron in a recent chat discussion about safeties...


CN: What do those two do for the 2013 draft class? It has to be stronger than this one.

WB: Those to offer more than the top two in this year's draft, [Mark] Barron and Markelle Martin. They go in cycles. You remember how good the safety class was two years ago? You had Earl Thomas, Nate Allen and Morgan Burnett. Burnett fell to the 3rd round, and those guys would be 2nd rounders this year, and maybe break into the late 1st. I gave Burnett the same grade I gave Barron this year, and Barron is considered a 1st rounder this year and Burnett fell to the 3rd.

[Dash28]

Barron may end up being good but I don't like selecting him at 14.

We might pass on DeCastro but it wouldn't be for a S in this class.

DeCastro over him all day.

[BAT]

i'm also intrigued by mingo's freak athleticism.

Isn't Mingo a sophomore? I like Mingo too, but Montgomery is the more athletic and more productive pass rusher on that LSU team.

I'd take either, but Montgomery is the safer choice.

[ologan]

Darn,the ink's not even dry on Fisher's contract,and he's finaggled Stafford from the Lions! We coulda used this guy!!

[Hostile]

The musical notes in the title are awesome. How'd you do it?

[jblaze2004]

mark barron at 14? He better blow up the combine to make that jump. Now if we draft him in the 2nd then I would be ok with that. What round did the safety rahim moore get drafted last year? And how do ya'll think barron rates next to rahim moore and last years draft class, which was also weak.

[Hailmary]

My goodness, no! If Barron's our pick at 14, I'd flip (and not in a good way).

[RS12]

Sorry Randy and I think you are a good poster but I hate the pick. I just dont think the guy will cover well enough to warrant that high of a pick.

[Eskimo]

No way you can take a safety that high unless they have CB type coverage ability in the modern game. That's what made Eric Berry and Earl Thomas such good picks in 2010. So for Barron to go that high he better show CB hips and run in the neighbourhood of 4.42 in the 40 with a 35 inch vertical, a sub 4.0 short shuttle and a 6.7 or less 3-cone drill.

I don't like in-the-box safeties in the first round. We shouldn't consider such a player before the 3rd round. What we really need is a FS to complement Sensy.

[MichaelWinicki]

No way you can take a safety that high unless they have CB type coverage ability in the modern game. That's what made Eric Berry and Earl Thomas such good picks in 2010. So for Barron to go that high he better show CB hips and run in the neighbourhood of 4.42 in the 40 with a 35 inch vertical, a sub 4.0 short shuttle and a 6.7 or less 3-cone drill.

I don't like in-the-box safeties in the first round. We shouldn't consider such a player before the 3rd round. What we really need is a FS to complement Sensy.

Exactly.

That's all we need... Another hulking type of safety who can't cover.

Horrible pick in the first round.

[tm1119]

Everyone already did all the *****ing about Barron so I won't go there...but Jarvis Jones went back to school. And also you have Branch going way too high. Are u possibly confusing him with Mercilus? Other than that its a good early mock. Most of the picks make perfect sense.

[Hailmary]

No way you can take a safety that high unless they have CB type coverage ability in the modern game. That's what made Eric Berry and Earl Thomas such good picks in 2010. So for Barron to go that high he better show CB hips and run in the neighbourhood of 4.42 in the 40 with a 35 inch vertical, a sub 4.0 short shuttle and a 6.7 or less 3-cone drill.

I don't like in-the-box safeties in the first round. We shouldn't consider such a player before the 3rd round. What we really need is a FS to complement Sensy.
And no one else should. They are pieces to a defense rather than difference makers in today's game.

[Randy White]

The musical notes in the title are awesome. How'd you do it?

Simple, my friend.. It's been available to everyone since, well, Al Gore invented the internet:

in windows:
Start-Programs-Accessories-System Tools-Character Map

Then, just about which ever font you choose, just scroll down until you find the note symbol, copy it, and then paste it.

[Randy White]

Darn,the ink's not even dry on Fisher's contract,and he's finaggled Stafford from the Lions! We coulda used this guy!!

:lmao2:


Sorry about that. for some damn reason I always call Bradford " Stafford ".. :abuseme:

[Randy White]

the argument against Barron, although I don't agree with it, and sorry about Jarvis Jones because I didn't know he chose to stay until right now. What I'm trying to do is get into the Cowboys' heads and see what they could possibly be thinking.

The way I see it, when it comes to Barron, is this:

If the Cowboys sign Nick or another high profile guard, probably their logic would lead them into not investing a #1 draft pick on another one. Their thinking might be that with Bill Nagy ( who they like ), David Arkin, and possibly bringing back Holland, the other guard position should be more than taken care of. If none of those 3 contribute much, they could address it in 2013, but it's not as if that one particular position is a franchise killer. Two ? yes, one ? Not really.

So that leads to the next problem, which is bigger than the O-line. Now, the ideal situation is for Kirkpatrick to fall to #14. He'd be the obvious choice, even over DeCastro. However, I don't think he will. The guy is good and plays a position that's in demand. That leaves the safety position. Those of you who say that Barron can't cover, I would like to know 2 things: a) define " can't cover ", you mean like a CB ? or like a safety ?, b) what are you basing your opinion on ? I'm not going to tell you that I've seen Barron play since highschool because it would be a lie. However, I've seen enough to know that this guy is a player. Comparing him to Roy Williams, or basing an opinion on him because of Roy Williams' tenure in Dallas is counter-productive. It's like saying the Cowboys shouldn't draft Sam Montgomery ( for example ) because Anthony Spencer didn't work out. Both were DE in college, both are 6'4, both are 250 lbs, and both were pass rushing specialists. Doesn't make sense.

As far as the " safeties fall in the draft all the time " argument, that is factual. However, every draft is unique and every player is different. The point that the position is weak this year, and that he's the best one of them all ( not to mention a first round talent ) has been made very clear. That, by itself, screams that this guy is not going to get out of the first round. Take another position that shares the same reputation as safeties, at least over the past few years. Should the Chiefs pass on Trent Richardson ( if he falls to them ) because he's a RB ( and they can get those just about anywhere ) even though he's a first round talent and he represents a big need for them ? IMO that would be a mistake.

I'm not saying the Cowboys should draft solely based on need. I'm against drafting " solely based on " anything, including the so called " best player available " theory. I am for drafting based on a complete and thorough evaluation of not only the player(s), but the roster, the coaching philosophy, and the draft itself. What are my needs ? Who's available ? Who's drafting in front of me ? Who's drafting behind me ? Who fits my systems ? Those would be the questions, along with the background checks, in which I'd base the draft decisions on.

[Randy White]

Everyone already did all the *****ing about Barron so I won't go there...but Jarvis Jones went back to school. And also you have Branch going way too high. Are u possibly confusing him with Mercilus? Other than that its a good early mock. Most of the picks make perfect sense.

Well, this is the book on Branch:

Clemson DE/OLB Andre Branch

Branch exceeded expectations and turned some heads this season, most notably by answering some of the questions about his ability to turn the corner at the next level. He's looked more explosive out of his stance and shown the ability to bend back inside once he gets under the outside shoulder of the offensive tackle. Add in his above-average upper-body strength, and Branch is capable of giving a team's pass rush an immediate boost.

NFL fit: Buffalo (No. 10 overall) needs to bolster its pass rush and address the outside linebacker spot in its base 3-4 scheme. Branch would be a good fit, because despite showing only average fluidity in space, he has experience dropping into coverage and is agile enough hold up in underneath coverage on occasion. He also has experience rushing the passer out of a two-point stance.

[TheDallasDon]

Jarvis Jones is staying in school

[jnday]

:star: the argument against Barron, although I don't agree with it, and sorry about Jarvis Jones because I didn't know he chose to stay until right now. What I'm trying to do is get into the Cowboys' heads and see what they could possibly be thinking.

The way I see it, when it comes to Barron, is this:

If the Cowboys sign Nick or another high profile guard, probably their logic would lead them into not investing a #1 draft pick on another one. Their thinking might be that with Bill Nagy ( who they like ), David Arkin, and possibly bringing back Holland, the other guard position should be more than taken care of. If none of those 3 contribute much, they could address it in 2013, but it's not as if that one particular position is a franchise killer. Two ? yes, one ? Not really.

So that leads to the next problem, which is bigger than the O-line. Now, the ideal situation is for Kirkpatrick to fall to #14. He'd be the obvious choice, even over DeCastro. However, I don't think he will. The guy is good and plays a position that's in demand. That leaves the safety position. Those of you who say that Barron can't cover, I would like to know 2 things: a) define " can't cover ", you mean like a CB ? or like a safety ?, b) what are you basing your opinion on ? I'm not going to tell you that I've seen Barron play since highschool because it would be a lie. However, I've seen enough to know that this guy is a player. Comparing him to Roy Williams, or basing an opinion on him because of Roy Williams' tenure in Dallas is counter-productive. It's like saying the Cowboys shouldn't draft Sam Montgomery ( for example ) because Anthony Spencer didn't work out. Both were DE in college, both are 6'4, both are 250 lbs, and both were pass rushing specialists. Doesn't make sense.

As far as the " safeties fall in the draft all the time " argument, that is factual. However, every draft is unique and every player is different. The point that the position is weak this year, and that he's the best one of them all ( not to mention a first round talent ) has been made very clear. That, by itself, screams that this guy is not going to get out of the first round. Take another position that shares the same reputation as safeties, at least over the past few years. Should the Chiefs pass on Trent Richardson ( if he falls to them ) because he's a RB ( and they can get those just about anywhere ) even though he's a first round talent and he represents a big need for them ? IMO that would be a mistake.

I'm not saying the Cowboys should draft solely based on need. I'm against drafting " solely based on " anything, including the so called " best player available " theory. I am for drafting based on a complete and thorough evaluation of not only the player(s), but the roster, the coaching philosophy, and the draft itself. What are my needs ? Who's available ? Who's drafting in front of me ? Who's drafting behind me ? Who fits my systems ? Those would be the questions, along with the background checks, in which I'd base the draft decisions on.
The reason for the Barron/Roy Williams comparison is simple . Barron gets beat on the deep ball . Very few teams were able to throw deep on Alabama due to their pass rush . This covered up Barron's lack of coverage skills . I have watched a ton of Alabama games and Barron just doesn't have the ability to cover deep . Ths fault will really hurt him at the next level. Most of the mocks that have seen shows him going late first or in the second . His teammate Lester is a better pro prospect IMO .

[MichaelWinicki]

:star:
The reason for the Barron/Roy Williams comparison is simple . Barron gets beat on the deep ball . Very few teams were able to throw deep on Alabama due to their pass rush . This covered up Barron's lack of coverage skills . I have watched a ton of Alabama games and Barron just doesn't have the ability to cover deep . Ths fault will really hurt him at the next level. Most of the mocks that have seen shows him going late first or in the second . His teammate Lester is a better pro prospect IMO .

Look at the guys who have dominated at safety over the last decade...

Ed Reed 5-11/200
Brian Dawkins 6-0/210
Troy Polamalu 5-10/207

And all of them could run the 40 in less than 4.5

And you have to believe their short area time was very good also because they were short-striders.

These safety's that are 6'2 and 220lbs... Most simply can't move fast enough to be good in coverage at the next level.

And if a guy coming out of college is 220lbs... what's he going to be in a two, three years? 225? 230?

Can you say "Roy Williams?"

I say go smaller and faster at safety.

[unionjack8]

" overdraft " ? Where do you think Barron ranks, overall, coming into this draft ?


i wouldnt give him a first round grade.

He's not as good as Nate Allen or Morgan Burnett imo.

THAT IS THE SINGLE WORST PICK SINCE QUINCY CARTER

[jnday]

:eek: Look at the guys who have dominated at safety over the last decade...

Ed Reed 5-11/200
Brian Dawkins 6-0/210
Troy Polamalu 5-10/207

And all of them could run the 40 in less than 4.5

And you have to believe their short area time was very good also because they were short-striders.

These safety's that are 6'2 and 220lbs... Most simply can't move fast enough to be good in coverage at the next level.

And if a guy coming out of college is 220lbs... what's he going to be in a two, three years? 225? 230?

Can you say "Roy Williams?"

I say go smaller and faster at safety.
I think defensive player that is considered in the draft or free agency should have above average speed . This defense is slow . There are too many players with just enough speed to make the roster . Barron can not keep up on deep routes in college . He will struggle in the NFL IMO .

[Muhast]

Jarvis Jones is staying in school


Yea that was my thought.

I appreciate the effort, but I'd be livid if this happens.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I would not be a happy camper if we made that pick at #14.

Not a happy camper at all.