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RS12
01-19-2012, 11:16 PM
WesBunting Wesley Bunting
My top five #NFLDRAFT prospects as of today are... 1. QB Luck 2. CB Claiborne 3. RB Richardson 4. OG DeCastro 5. DT Brockers #ShrineGame
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Brockers intriguing guy if DeCastro and Martin are gone. Where is RG3?

jblaze2004
01-19-2012, 11:24 PM
brockers in the top 5? the combine should be interesting.

Aliencowboy
01-20-2012, 12:43 AM
Brockers intriguing guy if DeCastro and Martin are gone. Where is RG3?

Brockers will have as much impact as Spears.
So why draft someone is already on the team

RoyTheHammer
01-20-2012, 01:05 AM
Brockers will have as much impact as Spears.
So why draft someone is already on the team

Because Brockers ISN'T already on the team.

Picksix
01-20-2012, 01:57 AM
Brockers will have as much impact as Spears.
So why draft someone is already on the team

People said the same thing about JJ Watt. But yeah, since Brockers and Spears went to the same school and play the same position, they're the same player. Makes sense.

JoeCorrado
01-20-2012, 02:04 AM
Brockers will have as much impact as Spears.
So why draft someone is already on the team

Your comparison is wrong. Brockers at 6-6 306 and still growing. An explosive player who can maintain gap integrity or get push even against a double team. He combines quickness and power to gain advantage and is football smart beyond his experience.

Keep your eye on him. He became my first selection on the day he declared. He will move up the boards and no doubt be gone before we get a whif.

Dash28
01-20-2012, 02:48 AM
I would appreciate any information on Brockers.

I'm intrigued by his potential and we need a penetrating end.

Potential to be a Seymore type?

JoeCorrado
01-20-2012, 05:09 AM
I would appreciate any information on Brockers.

I'm intrigued by his potential and we need a penetrating end.

Potential to be a Seymore type?

An amazing prospect. Can play at literally any position up front in either a 4-3 or 3-4, NT to DE. Just imagine the problem he would create for an offense from just a scheme standpoint. Now imagine him, Rat, and Ware together. Add an OLB opposite Ware...

Best of all, his upside is off the charts. He is still a puppy. Coming out after his sophomore year. He is strong, quick and has a bit of nasty. Also a team leader... a vocal one when necessary.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=41015

Probably gone by 14 but will push somebody else down a spot to us.

Oh_Canada
01-20-2012, 07:35 AM
An amazing prospect. Can play at literally any position up front in either a 4-3 or 3-4, NT to DE. Just imagine the problem he would create for an offense from just a scheme standpoint. Now imagine him, Rat, and Ware together. Add an OLB opposite Ware...

Best of all, his upside is off the charts. He is still a puppy. Coming out after his sophomore year. He is strong, quick and has a bit of nasty. Also a team leader... a vocal one when necessary.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=41015

Probably gone by 14 but will push somebody else down a spot to us.

I'm all for Brockers in the first round. The oline can be helped in the second/third rounds, and free agency....conversely there will be little to no help available on the defensive line though FA.

burmafrd
01-20-2012, 08:11 AM
I'm all for Brockers in the first round. The oline can be helped in the second/third rounds, and free agency....conversely there will be little to no help available on the defensive line though FA.

just maybe Brockers could be our Seymour

Zimmy Lives
01-20-2012, 10:04 AM
just maybe Brockers could be our Seymour

Maybe. Dallas can sure use a Seymour-type player.

As good as Castro is, I just don't see the Cowboys going o-line in the 1st. I think guys like Brockers and Kuechly (sp?) have a better chance of wearing the star than Castro, especially if everyone's dream comes true and Nicks is signed in FA.

reddyuta
01-20-2012, 10:29 AM
Our DEs are jags,i wouldnt be suprised if they are looking at them in the 1st rd.

jnday
01-20-2012, 11:20 AM
Your comparison is wrong. Brockers at 6-6 306 and still growing. An explosive player who can maintain gap integrity or get push even against a double team. He combines quickness and power to gain advantage and is football smart beyond his experience.

Keep your eye on him. He became my first selection on the day he declared. He will move up the boards and no doubt be gone before we get a whif.

I have seen several LSU games and I just haven't seen him make that much of an impact . If we go DE with the 14th pick , I want a player that produces sacks . IIRC Brockers only had two this year . What am I missing here ?

johnnyd
01-20-2012, 11:31 AM
The Decastro hype has me torn. I mean I want him at 14 bad, And i want to know we got a great player there and love to hear the good stuff.

But i feel like we have to "root against" him from now until the draft espcially at the combine, Which if he whiffs (which i doubt he will) would kind of have me thinking twice about picking him in the first place... confused i am ..yoda voice :p:

Flyo87
01-20-2012, 12:16 PM
I have seen several LSU games and I just haven't seen him make that much of an impact . If we go DE with the 14th pick , I want a player that produces sacks . IIRC Brockers only had two this year . What am I missing here ?

I'm asking myself the same thing. I think LSU hype machine is at it again. Didnt see him much in the national championship or the sec championship. I'll have to hold off before giving an evaluation but he certainlty hasnt jumped out on the screen the way the next 2 names i mention have. I'd much rather have Fletcher Cox from MSU or Jared Crick from Nebraska if we're looking 5 techniques. These are guys who are proven disruptive players who will continue to get better.

Flyo87
01-20-2012, 12:28 PM
I'm asking myself the same thing. I think LSU hype machine is at it again. Didnt see him much in the national championship or the sec championship. I'll have to hold off before giving an evaluation but he certainlty hasnt jumped out on the screen the way the next 2 names i mention have. I'd much rather have Fletcher Cox from MSU or Jared Crick from Nebraska if we're looking 5 techniques. These are guys who are proven disruptive players who will continue to get better.

Was reviewing again the SEC championship and heard Gary Danielson say he wouldnt trade Brockers and the other DT for John Henderson and Albert Haynesworth. Im really going to have to do my homework on this guy.

JoeCorrado
01-20-2012, 05:29 PM
I have seen several LSU games and I just haven't seen him make that much of an impact . If we go DE with the 14th pick , I want a player that produces sacks . IIRC Brockers only had two this year . What am I missing here ?

Are you watching the ball, the QB, or the line?
You missed the 54 total tackles this season? Normally while being doubled?
You missed that he gets a push up the middle and disrupts the QB?
You missed that he just doesn't quit. Doesn't take plays off. Has a motor.
You missed that this was just his "sophomore" season?
You missed his GAP control against the run?
You missed the level of competition? He shows up in big games.
You missed the Championship Game v. Alabama and those 7 tackles.
You missed that this guy is still growing? Think T. Smith on defense.He does need to improve as a pure pass rusher, heck, he is still a pup- and the exceptional upside here is what makes him such a great prospect. He turned just 21 last month and after only his sophomore year, he is accepted as the best DT available in the 2012 draft- and most of the others have twice his playtime experience! He has lots of room to grow- physically as well as technically. He is a vocal leader and passionate about the game. He has beast written all over him.

His first season, you should expect about what Rat gives us there. Solid against the run and some push. At 6-6 and long arms, he deflects passes and disrupts passing lanes. He affects the QB.

His presence now allows Rat to move to DE and we suddenly have three players on the line who consistently demand a double team. That is going to be a problem for most offenses. (Ware, Rat, Brockers)

Six blockers needed before we add the fourth rusher to the mix. Now we have opportunities for mismatches all along the line. That is the name of the game. Somebody is going to feed. And it all starts here.

Opinions can vary, that is mine.

burmafrd
01-20-2012, 05:38 PM
Are you watching the ball, the QB, or the line?
You missed the 54 total tackles this season? Normally while being doubled?
You missed that he gets a push up the middle and disrupts the QB?
You missed that he just doesn't quit. Doesn't take plays off. Has a motor.
You missed that this was just his "sophomore" season?
You missed his GAP control against the run?
You missed the level of competition? He shows up in big games.
You missed the Championship Game v. Alabama and those 7 tackles.
You missed that this guy is still growing? Think T. Smith on defense.He does need to improve as a pure pass rusher, heck, he is still a pup- and the exceptional upside here is what makes him such a great prospect. He turned just 21 last month and after only his sophomore year, he is accepted as the best DT available in the 2012 draft- and most of the others have twice his playtime experience! He has lots of room to grow- physically as well as technically. He is a vocal leader and passionate about the game. He has beast written all over him.

His first season, you should expect about what Rat gives us there. Solid against the run and some push. At 6-6 and long arms, he deflects passes and disrupts passing lanes. He affects the QB.

His presence now allows Rat to move to DE and we suddenly have three players on the line who consistently demand a double team. That is going to be a problem for most offenses. (Ware, Rat, Brockers)

Six blockers needed before we add the fourth rusher to the mix. Now we have opportunities for mismatches all along the line. That is the name of the game. Somebody is going to feed. And it all starts here.

Opinions can vary, that is mine.

sad thing is if he looks good at the combine he will be gone before we pick. 3-4 DE's that look like they can really raise hell are a serious premium pick; especially with all the 3-4 teams now

JoeCorrado
01-20-2012, 05:42 PM
sad thing is if he looks good at the combine he will be gone before we pick. 3-4 DE's that look like they can really raise hell are a serious premium pick; especially with all the 3-4 teams now

Mocks are already showing him off the board to Carolina with the 9th pick.

Still, he will at least push another guy down to us. I made my mock on the day he announced, and he was rated 20th over all. Now he is moving up fast. Wouldn't surprise me to see him gone before we get a chance at him. I can always hope.

Manwiththeplan
01-20-2012, 08:26 PM
I call Shenanagins. I know you can't measure an interior D-Linemen's impact soley on sacks, but considering we need more sacks and he doesn't get them, just like everone else on this team not named Ware, I'll pass.

If we go DE, give me Devon Still or Quinton Coples, maybe Fletcher-Cox.

Aliencowboy
01-20-2012, 10:21 PM
People said the same thing about JJ Watt. But yeah, since Brockers and Spears went to the same school and play the same position, they're the same player. Makes sense.



MBrockers is no where near the talent coming out of the
draft as JJWatts. What player do we have that went to the same
school as Watts?

Look at the tape instead of reading scouting reports.
Watch Georgia VS LSU.
His abilities are no better than Spears.
Spears happened to be a round one pick too.

jnday
01-20-2012, 11:40 PM
Are you watching the ball, the QB, or the line?
You missed the 54 total tackles this season? Normally while being doubled?
You missed that he gets a push up the middle and disrupts the QB?
You missed that he just doesn't quit. Doesn't take plays off. Has a motor.
You missed that this was just his "sophomore" season?
You missed his GAP control against the run?
You missed the level of competition? He shows up in big games.
You missed the Championship Game v. Alabama and those 7 tackles.
You missed that this guy is still growing? Think T. Smith on defense.He does need to improve as a pure pass rusher, heck, he is still a pup- and the exceptional upside here is what makes him such a great prospect. He turned just 21 last month and after only his sophomore year, he is accepted as the best DT available in the 2012 draft- and most of the others have twice his playtime experience! He has lots of room to grow- physically as well as technically. He is a vocal leader and passionate about the game. He has beast written all over him.



His first season, you should expect about what Rat gives us there. Solid against the run and some push. At 6-6 and long arms, he deflects passes and disrupts passing lanes. He affects the QB.

His presence now allows Rat to move to DE and we suddenly have three players on the line who consistently demand a double team. That is going to be a problem for most offenses. (Ware, Rat, Brockers)

Six blockers needed before we add the fourth rusher to the mix. Now we have opportunities for mismatches all along the line. That is the name of the game. Somebody is going to feed. And it all starts here.

Opinions can vary, that is mine.
You are quick to point out what a I missed during your rant . The point that I am making is that he is not a pass rusher . There is no disputing that fact . For all these great qualities that you listed , he doesn't dominate games like you imply . I am well aware of Brockers .
I watched all but two of his games this year . The last thing that Dallas needs is another lineman that can't get to the QB . I'm glad you have a "pet cat" . He will make a good player . I just want a "pet cat " that has a pass rush .

Dash28
01-21-2012, 03:37 AM
You are quick to point out what a I missed during your rant . The point that I am making is that he is not a pass rusher . There is no disputing that fact . For all these great qualities that you listed , he doesn't dominate games like you imply . I am well aware of Brockers .
I watched all but two of his games this year . The last thing that Dallas needs is another lineman that can't get to the QB . I'm glad you have a "pet cat" . He will make a good player . I just want a "pet cat " that has a pass rush .
I keep reading he's really raw with his pass rushing but has super potential to turn into a stud.

Majority of the scouts opinions and writeups on him seem really positive.

I want to see how he does at the combine and learn more before making a premature statement on him that he can't pass rush.

JoeCorrado
01-21-2012, 07:39 AM
You are quick to point out what a I missed during your rant . The point that I am making is that he is not a pass rusher . There is no disputing that fact . For all these great qualities that you listed , he doesn't dominate games like you imply . I am well aware of Brockers .
I watched all but two of his games this year . The last thing that Dallas needs is another lineman that can't get to the QB . I'm glad you have a "pet cat" . He will make a good player . I just want a "pet cat " that has a pass rush .

Not a rant, just pointing out the things that he accomplished in his first season as a starter. A pretty impressive season, if we are honest about it. Considerably better than your description of his being some sort of a non-factor. :confused:

I specifically noted that in the first year in the NFL- "He will contribute, and demand a double team." I didn't say he would dominate the game. Just like Rat, now- he will clog the run and be double teamed. Letting us move Rat to DE.

I stated that his second season, there will likely be a great improvement in his effectiveness. He is still a puppy with room to grow- upside is phenomenal. that is what makes him such a prospect- one who we can expect to develop into a true beast.

I don't have a pet cat, if I do- he isn't worth mentioning in the context of Dallas having a legit shot at him. Brockers is being projected right now as the best DT in the draft. If we are serious about moving Rat to DE, why would a guy who will fill out to #320 plus, makes lots of tackles in the run game, can affect the passer, and demands a double team, be a bad idea?

burmafrd
01-21-2012, 08:18 AM
Not a rant, just pointing out the things that he accomplished in his first season as a starter. A pretty impressive season, if we are honest about it. Considerably better than your description of his being some sort of a non-factor. :confused:

I specifically noted that in the first year in the NFL- "He will contribute, and demand a double team." I didn't say he would dominate the game. Just like Rat, now- he will clog the run and be double teamed. Letting us move Rat to DE.

I stated that his second season, there will likely be a great improvement in his effectiveness. He is still a puppy with room to grow- upside is phenomenal. that is what makes him such a prospect- one who we can expect to develop into a true beast.

I don't have a pet cat, if I do- he isn't worth mentioning in the context of Dallas having a legit shot at him. Brockers is being projected right now as the best DT in the draft. If we are serious about moving Rat to DE, why would a guy who will fill out to #320 plus, makes lots of tackles in the run game, can affect the passer, and demands a double team, be a bad idea?

now a guy that can push the pocket is something to think about; someone who can drive a guard right back into the QB would be good to have. OUr real problem is that we need someone that will prevent the QB from being able to step up all the time which is a real problem for us

egn22
01-21-2012, 09:01 AM
honest question, what has the history been like with LSU linemen?

jnday
01-21-2012, 09:59 AM
honest question, what has the history been like with LSU linemen?

Not good and that is an honest answer . I don't judge Brockers on that fact though . If the Dallas scouts determine that he will be the pass rusher that is needed on the DL , he should be considered at 14 . If he is going to be another hole plugging DL , no thanks . Dallas already has plenty of them .

RS12
01-21-2012, 10:40 AM
honest question, what has the history been like with LSU linemen?

:laugh2: At the Jacob Rogers/ Tyron Smith comparison. Everybody is their own seperate case.