Our "Sean Lee" at OLB

[SDogo]

Sorry, I was already high on the kid and just spent the weekend braking down some Boise St games. He is quickly becoming one of my favorite prospects in this draft and not just because what I see on film. The way the coaches and players speak about this kid and hearing his interviews he reminds me so much of Sean Lee.

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[robert70x7]

This guy is going to shoot up the draft boards. If we can get him in round 4, that'd be great. Need more guys like this on the team.

[SDogo]

This guy is going to shoot up the draft boards. If we can get him in round 4, that'd be great. Need more guys like this on the team.

I fully expect him to settle into the late part of round 2 and early part of round 3. He's not the most athletic, very comparable to Lee in that department so it wont be his workouts that do it. Coaches and scouts are simply going to see his production and instincts on tape then fall in love with the kid when they meet him.

[robert70x7]

I fully expect him to settle into the late part of round 2 and early part of round 3. He's not the most athletic, very comparable to Lee in that department so it wont be his workouts that do it. Coaches and scouts are simply going to see his production and instincts on tape then fall in love with the kid when they meet him.

So New England is going to end up with him, huh? :banghead:

[Romo 2 Austin]

All I need to see is the Sean Lee comparison, get him.

[SDogo]

So New England is going to end up with him, huh? :banghead:

Yeah, seems to work that way.

[SDogo]

All I need to see is the Sean Lee comparison, get him.

I can't wait for some of the draft interviews and footage to come out like it did with Lee leading up to the draft. It won't be hard to make the comparison.

[JonJon]

I wouldn't mind him if he makes it to the 3rd or 4th, which he should.

[Bigdog]

I wouldn't mind him if he makes it to the 3rd or 4th, which he should.

I like this kid too and hope we can get him. Unfortunately, I doubt that he will make it to the 4th rd. He might go early in the 3rd or late 2nd.

[jblaze2004]

reminds me of paul kruger(sp?) of the ravens.

[BAT]

reminds me of paul kruger(sp?) of the ravens.

A much better comparison.

[JoeCorrado]

I like this kid too and hope we can get him. Unfortunately, I doubt that he will make it to the 4th rd. He might go early in the 3rd or late 2nd.

The combine numbers may force him down though. May appear too slow, or lack the burst off the edge for many teams as a 3-4 OLB even though that appears to be his best fit.

I love his motor and if he does make it to the 4th round, I'd sure be looking seriously at him. A special teams beast and a situational pass rusher at the very least. Good character guy too.

Until the combine, we won't know what happens with his stock- just like all the rest.

[RoyTheHammer]

All I need to see is the Sean Lee comparison, get him.

:laugh2:

[Gaede]

We need guys like this on our team.

I see him going late second. Measurables aren't good enough, but teams will value his production and character. Type of player a good team picks up in the second because, at worst, player becomes long term quality depth. At best, becomes new leader of the team.

[Hoofbite]

Sign me up.

[burmafrd]

if he has enough quickness yes; but sadly all the want to in the world will not make up for being too slow.

[dogberry]

Wikipedia has Jared Allen's 40 at 4.72.

Draftcountdown has 14 DEs with 40s at 4.75 and faster.

Would be a candidate for a Jay Ratliff draft of players described as "relentless".

To confound me Ingram from South Carolina is listed as a 4.80 forty guy.

[burmafrd]

actually the 10 yd split is more of an indicator then the 40. You need a guy with a fast first few steps.

[Eskimo]

He seems like a high effort/motor guy who makes a lot of plays in pursuit.

I don't see much burst out of him on that highlight video.

He does appear to be tough at the point of attack and is a very good tackler who should be good in the run defense.

I kind of see Anthony Spencer but with with a better motor.

I'd think about him in the 4th round but not earlier as I don't think the measurables are going to be there for a good edge pass rusher which is what we are looking for. I'd much rather take a shot at Bruce Irvin, Curry, Ingram, Hightower or Whitney in the late first to mid second round for a Spencer replacement.

We really need a CB, OG and OLB in this draft or FA to fill out our roster.

[revospeed]

He reminds me of (insert white defensive player).

[RoyTheHammer]

He seems like a high effort/motor guy who makes a lot of plays in pursuit.

I don't see much burst out of him on that highlight video.

He does appear to be tough at the point of attack and is a very good tackler who should be good in the run defense.

I kind of see Anthony Spencer but with with a better motor.

I'd think about him in the 4th round but not earlier as I don't think the measurables are going to be there for a good edge pass rusher which is what we are looking for. I'd much rather take a shot at Bruce Irvin, Curry, Ingram, Hightower or Whitney in the late first to mid second round for a Spencer replacement.

We really need a CB, OG and OLB in this draft or FA to fill out our roster.

Spencer has a great motor, and if people don't like him, they won't like this guy either.

[Eskimo]

Spencer has a great motor, and if people don't like him, they won't like this guy either.

If Spencer were drafted in the 4th round people wouldn't be so upset about him.

Spencer is a good pursuit player but he is far from relentless and attacking when going up against an OT. He is content to get upfield and flail away with his arms. He rarely bullrushes and does not have an inside counter. He lacks the burst and body lean ability to get by as an outside rusher. He is an extremely limited players as an edge pass rusher. That is where I was commenting about his motor - he just doesn't attack OTs when lined up at DE.

I see this guy as another version of Spencer but maybe he'll be able to develop some pass rush moves.

[Romo 2 Austin]

:laugh2:

What's funny about that?

[Picksix]

@WesBunting

Been impressed with #BoiseState (https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23BoiseState) LB Shea McClellin..guy is doing everything asked of him, sneaky athlete, versatile, can reach QB #SeniorBowl (https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23SeniorBowl)

[Future]

I like him but have a hard time figuring out where he's going to play. He's not big enough to play 3-4 DE, and not athletic enough, imo, to play OLB.

I like the kid, but don't know that he has the physical ability to bring much to the table here.

[SDogo]

@WesBunting

Been impressed with #BoiseState (https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23BoiseState) LB Shea McClellin..guy is doing everything asked of him, sneaky athlete, versatile, can reach QB #SeniorBowl (https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23SeniorBowl)

yup........

[Hoofbite]

- OLB Shea McCLellin of Boise State continues to impress since making the move to linebacker. He destroyed several running backs and fullbacks this morning in pass-rushing drills in which he simulated standing up over a tackle.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/01/24/senior.bowl.practice.tuesday/index.html#ixzz1kY7thmuG

- Shea McClellin of Boise State looks better every day at the linebacker position. He's been planted in the middle today and has done a great job remaining patient with assignments, smoothly moving across the field and showing a good degree of awareness.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/01/25/senior.bowl.practice.wednesday/index.html#ixzz1kY6gI7GT

Diggin it. Hopefully Dallas can get him. Although if he keeps kicking *** he might move up a bit.

[RoyTheHammer]

What's funny about that?

Its funny because.. like your new best friend and hero, Sean Lee, you have no idea who this player is and won't know a thing about him until you start reading draft profiles and other people's opinions of him.. and yet in a year or two, you'll be proclaiming to all of us how you found him and how you told everyone he'd be a star if he starts to play well.

[SDogo]

- OLB Shea McCLellin of Boise State continues to impress since making the move to linebacker. He destroyed several running backs and fullbacks this morning in pass-rushing drills in which he simulated standing up over a tackle.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/01/24/senior.bowl.practice.tuesday/index.html#ixzz1kY7thmuG

- Shea McClellin of Boise State looks better every day at the linebacker position. He's been planted in the middle today and has done a great job remaining patient with assignments, smoothly moving across the field and showing a good degree of awareness.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/01/25/senior.bowl.practice.wednesday/index.html#ixzz1kY6gI7GT

Diggin it. Hopefully Dallas can get him. Although if he keeps kicking *** he might move up a bit.


Thats my biggest fear, knew this was coming but good for him. If Dallas is interested they might have to pounce in Rd2.

[stasheroo]

Spencer has a great motor, and if people don't like him, they won't like this guy either.

Yeah, never takes a play off, just ask him...

[stasheroo]

I've been looking at him recently myself and the news from the Senior Bowl looks better each and every day (or worse, depending on how you look at it).

I think he'll be a late 2nd or early 3rd rounder.

People will be looking to get the next Ryan Kerrigan.

[Zimmy Lives]

Just by watching the video he looks like a solid football player; maybe not a superstar but definitely can be a key piece to any defense! Maybe a 3rd round prospect?

[Hoofbite]

Dude is getting some attention.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/17001034/boise-states-mcclellin-impressing-scouts-with-versatility-at-senior-bowl

While the Boise State pass rusher might not be worried about his relative lack of publicity, another group attending the Senior Bowl this week certainly is -- NFL scouts.

"Don't write too much about the guy," one high-ranking scout said following practice Wednesday. "We've been on him all year long and don't want others jumping on him now."

[RoyTheHammer]

Yeah, never takes a play off, just ask him...

Never said he took a play off.. ever.

[stasheroo]

Never said he took a play off.. ever.

Please.

Don't talk to me about the 'motor' of a guy who admitted himself he didn't consistantly give his all.

[RoyTheHammer]

Please.

Don't talk to me about the 'motor' of a guy who admitted himself he didn't consistantly give his all.

I wasn't talking to you at all, just stating that his motor isn't the problem when half of his sacks and pressures come from continued pursuit of the play. He admitted he didn't work hard enough in practice, and it translated to stupid mistakes in the games. Im sick of seeing him crucified over a strict self evaluation that he was giving himself, when no one else on the team has stepped up and admitted they didn't give a crap last year either and took plays and entire games off because our whole team was guilty of it.

[stasheroo]

I wasn't talking to you at all, just stating that his motor isn't the problem when half of his sacks and pressures come from continued pursuit of the play. He admitted he didn't work hard enough in practice, and it translated to stupid mistakes in the games.

And continued underperformance when it mattered most.

Im sick of seeing him crucified over a strict self evaluation that he was giving himself, when no one else on the team has stepped up and admitted they didn't give a crap last year either and took plays and entire games off because our whole team was guilty of it.

Credit to him for admitting it.

Shame on him for having to admit it.

He's a disappointment.

A player we've waited several years on, in the hopes that he would improve.

He hasn't.

I hope they do not resign him and overpay for average play. It's one thing to put up with it when you've already invested a first round draft pick. It's another to willingly do it again when you've seen the actual results for several years.

[RoyTheHammer]

And continued underperformance when it mattered most.



Credit to him for admitting it.

Shame on him for having to admit it.

He's a disappointment.

A player we've waited several years on, in the hopes that he would improve.

He hasn't.

I hope they do not resign him and overpay for average play. It's one thing to put up with it when you've already invested a first round draft pick. It's another to willingly do it again when you've seen the actual results for several years.

If we can get him for a reasonable contract, we have bigger holes to fill. If he asks too much, Ingram, Upshaw, or Curry are all available for us in the draft.

[stasheroo]

If we can get him for a reasonable contract, we have bigger holes to fill. If he asks too much, Ingram, Upshaw, or Curry are all available for us in the draft.

What do you think of Ahmad Brooks? I prefer signing him to re-signing Spencer myself.

[Hoofbite]

What do you think of Ahmad Brooks? I prefer signing him to re-signing Spencer myself.

Hell yes.

[RoyTheHammer]

What do you think of Ahmad Brooks? I prefer signing him to re-signing Spencer myself.

I don't know man.. if we could get him for cheaper, then maybe. I think it'd be pretty close to a lateral move though. Don't see Brooks putting up significantly better numbers than Spencer, if he even put up the same. If we can't resign Spencer, i'd prefer to look to the draft at either Ingram, Upshaw, or Curry.

As for FA's, i want Campbell far and away more than any other DE/OLB available. If we can't get him, Avril or a draft pick would be my next choice.

[stasheroo]

I don't know man.. if we could get him for cheaper, then maybe. I think it'd be pretty close to a lateral move though. Don't see Brooks putting up significantly better numbers than Spencer, if he even put up the same. If we can't resign Spencer, i'd prefer to look to the draft at either Ingram, Upshaw, or Curry.

As for FA's, i want Campbell far and away more than any other DE/OLB available. If we can't get him, Avril or a draft pick would be my next choice.

I can tell from your reply that you have OLB higher on your 'wish list' than I do.

My investment wouldn't be as significant as yours.

[RoyTheHammer]

I can tell from your reply that you have OLB higher on your 'wish list' than I do.

My investment wouldn't be as significant as yours.

If it wasn't high up on yours, you'd be fine with resigning an above average player like Spencer to a reasonable contract extension.

[stasheroo]

If it wasn't high up on yours, you'd be fine with resigning an above average player like Spencer to a reasonable contract extension.

I think we'd have to define what 'reasonable' was.

As well as 'above average'.

I don't think of either when I think of resigning Spencer.

I'd just as soon use a combination of Victor Butler and the player whose thread we have now hijacked.

[RoyTheHammer]

I think we'd have to define what 'reasonable' was.

As well as 'above average'.

I don't think of either when I think of resigning Spencer.

I'd just as soon use a combination of Victor Butler and the player whose thread we have now hijacked.

I look at Spencer's overall numbers the past 3 years, and i see an above average OLB. You talk about a guy like Ahmad Brooks.

Same age. Same size. Less production. What's the appeal there?

I do think DL is more important though.. which is why i'd like to sign Campbell so badly and draft a NT with one of our first 3 picks or sign Soliai.

[stasheroo]

I look at Spencer's overall numbers the past 3 years, and i see an above average OLB. You talk about a guy like Ahmad Brooks.

Same age. Same size. Less production. What's the appeal there?

Money is a big factor. I keep hearing 'reasonable' associated with Spencer, but seldom do I read what amount people actually mean by 'reasonable'.

I do think DL is more important though.. which is why i'd like to sign Campbell so badly and draft a NT with one of our first 3 picks or sign Soliai.

We disagree significantly here. Not saying you're wrong, just that we disagree.

[RoyTheHammer]

Money is a big factor. I keep hearing 'reasonable' associated with Spencer, but seldom do I read what amount people actually mean by 'reasonable'.



We disagree significantly here. Not saying you're wrong, just that we disagree.

You don't think DL is more important to upgrade than OLB for this team?

[stasheroo]

You don't think DL is more important to upgrade than OLB for this team?

To be honest, no.

I would rather get a true nose tackle and shift Ratliff to end. I think it would be the more cost-effective move and would allow for another OLB to be signed.

[Risen Star]

To be honest, no.

I would rather get a true nose tackle and shift Ratliff to end. I think it would be the more cost-effective move and would allow for another OLB to be signed.

You're splitting hairs comparing DL to OLB in a 3-4 anyway. Those outside backers are essentially DEs a good portion of the time.

[RoyTheHammer]

To be honest, no.

I would rather get a true nose tackle and shift Ratliff to end. I think it would be the more cost-effective move and would allow for another OLB to be signed.

So you said OLB wasn't high on your priority list, DL isn't high on your priority list either apparently.. are you just completely full of crap or do you really not think those are two areas we need major upgrades in to be a better D next year?

[stasheroo]

So you said OLB wasn't high on your priority list, DL isn't high on your priority list either apparently.. are you just completely full of crap or do you really not think those are two areas we need major upgrades in to be a better D next year?


I'm not interested in the team spending big money on either spot.

If that makes me 'full of crap' in your eyes? So be it.

I'd rather see it spent on OG Carl Nicks and CB Terrell Thomas.

We all have our opinions and what we'd do if it were up to us.

[RoyTheHammer]

I'm not interested in the team spending big money on either spot.

If that makes me 'full of crap' in your eyes? So be it.

I'd rather see it spent on OG Carl Nicks and CB Terrell Thomas.

We all have our opinions and what we'd do if it were up to us.

It doesn't, im just shocked that after last season you don't see the need for major upgrades in the pass rush dept. We got dominated in the trenches on both sides of the ball and it all starts up front, imo. We need to get consistent pressure if we want to become a good defense. We need to dominate the LOS.

[stasheroo]

It doesn't, im just shocked that after last season you don't see the need for major upgrades in the pass rush dept. We got dominated in the trenches on both sides of the ball and it all starts up front, imo. We need to get consistent pressure if we want to become a good defense. We need to dominate the LOS.

I think someone other than Ware needs to step up for sure, but I'd rather pay $4 - $5 million for Brooks than $9 for a Calais Campbell at DE and try to draft a young option like McClellin.

And I believe that getting a true nose tackle and shifting Ratliff outside will help a great deal.

My front seven would look like this:

Spears/Lissemore - Casey Hampton (if the Steelers released him or another mid-range veteran option) - Ratliff/Hatcher

Ware - Lee - Carter - Brooks

[RoyTheHammer]

I think someone other than Ware needs to step up for sure, but I'd rather pay $4 - $5 million for Brooks than $9 for a Calais Campbell at DE and try to draft a young option like McClellin.

And I believe that getting a true nose tackle and shifting Ratliff outside will help a great deal.

My front seven would look like this:

Spears/Lissemore - Casey Hampton (if the Steelers released him or another mid-range veteran option) - Ratliff/Hatcher

Ware - Lee - Carter - Brooks

If Rat gets moved to DE that'd be good.. but we'd still need a big upgrade at NT and if people don't like Spencer, an upgrade at OLB too. Aside from the OL, i think DL is our biggest area we need to address. We have to start dominating in the trenches.

Depending on who is available, i'd say CB/OLB in the first round, DL/CB/OLB in the second and DL/OLB in the third round.

[stasheroo]

If Rat gets moved to DE that'd be good.. but we'd still need a big upgrade at NT and if people don't like Spencer, an upgrade at OLB too. Aside from the OL, i think DL is our biggest area we need to address. We have to start dominating in the trenches.

Depending on who is available, i'd say CB/OLB in the first round, DL/CB/OLB in the second and DL/OLB in the third round.

My early draft 'wish list' goes like this:

1st - OG DeCastro
2nd - CB Boykin
3rd - OLB McClellin