No more Rivers or Eli debates

[jwitten82]

The Giants got the better QB.

[Pentagruel]

He got brutalized tonight by that niners D but he kept getting up without even blinking. Almost 60 pass attempts in the pouring rain and he took 22 hits, many of them vicious. If nothing else, he is one tough *******. I certainly think he's better then Rivers, and in the playoffs, I wouldn't take any other active QB over him right now.

[Ring Leader]

He got brutalized tonight by that niners D but he kept getting up without even blinking. Almost 60 pass attempts in the pouring rain and he took 22 hits, many of them vicious. If nothing else, he is one tough *******. I certainly think he's better then Rivers, and in the playoffs, I wouldn't take any other active QB over him right now.

Eli was fortunate to get the win and was hardly impressive in the title game. Had it not been for his stellar special teams, smothering defense, and 49er offensive ineptitude baby brother goes down and goes down hard. Eli has had a good year but his body of work is hardly that of legends. You wouldn't take any other active QB over him? Did you just start following football last month?

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

He got brutalized tonight by that niners D but he kept getting up without even blinking. Almost 60 pass attempts in the pouring rain and he took 22 hits, many of them vicious. If nothing else, he is one tough *******. I certainly think he's better then Rivers, and in the playoffs, I wouldn't take any other active QB over him right now.

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[tupperware]

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Yeah that was such a bozo comment that I thought it had to of been a typo so I didn't respond.

[Bloodbunny]

Eli was fortunate to get the win and was hardly impressive in the title game. Had it not been for his stellar special teams, smothering defense, and 49er offensive ineptitude baby brother goes down and goes down hard. Eli has had a good year but his body of work is hardly that of legends. You wouldn't take any other active QB over him? Did you just start following football last month?

I would take Eli over anyone playing the position today with the *possible* exception of Brady. (Brady's 34, Eli 31, gotta think about age) I think we've all seen the film "Rudy," where coach Parseghian states "if you had a 10th of his heart, you'd be an All American"; well Eli has that type of heart and desire. I think tonight laid to rest any remaining doubt about Eli; even the Patriots know they are little more than sacrificial lambs at this point, much as they were in 1996 and 1985.

[Idgit]

I would take Eli over anyone playing the position today with the *possible* exception of Brady. (Brady's 34, Eli 31, gotta think about age) I think we've all seen the film "Rudy," where coach Parseghian states "if you had a 10th of his heart, you'd be an All American"; well Eli has that type of heart and desire. I think tonight laid to rest any remaining doubt about Eli; even the Patriots know they are little more than sacrificial lambs at this point, much as they were in 1996 and 1985.

Hey there, Giants fan. Congrats on the win today.

[BIGDen]

He got brutalized tonight by that niners D but he kept getting up without even blinking. Almost 60 pass attempts in the pouring rain and he took 22 hits, many of them vicious. If nothing else, he is one tough *******. I certainly think he's better then Rivers, and in the playoffs, I wouldn't take any other active QB over him right now.

If it wasnt' for 2 muffed/fumbled punt returns, didn't he lead his team to like 10 points yeaterday? Kinda like his SB when he had led them to 1 TD all game then threw 2 game-losing picks on that big drive only to watch the Pats drop them. Eventually he throws an ill-advised duck into the middle of the field that is caught by a scrub with his helmet. Eli is a good QB, but I have NEVER seen more fortuitous things happen to a QB in huge moments. His WRs leap over everyone for a Hail Mary in the playoffs while we've watched Fasano and Crayton drop balls and pull up on routes. That vagiants team is lucky to be in the playoffs. If we don't take our game-winning kick off of the board against AZ or the refs don't blow that fumble call in the NY/AZ game, they aren't even in the postseason. The vagiants are good, but their luck has been a huge part of '07 and this annoying run.

[InmanRoshi]

Giants were the better team, even with the fumbled punts. 49ers (literally) can't throw to a WR. No team should ever play in a Superbowl where the QB literally can't complete a pass to a WR.

That said, Eli must hold the all time record for being bailed out of easy interceptions by two defenders running into each other. They used to say Donovan McNabb didn't throw many interceptions because his throws were so off target even defenders couldn't get to them. I think Eli's INT totals are held down by the fact that Eli often makes such remarkably bad decisions throwing into triple, even quadruple, coverage that it almost assures the likelihood of defenders running into each other for the easy pick.

[DBOY3141]

At the end of the day....he wins. If he gets his second ring, it will be HOF talk.

Eli gets bailed out, just like any other QB. He wins and that's all that matters.

[InmanRoshi]

Eli gets bailed out, just like any other QB.

No not really. It's a nice, simplistic way to think though, and simplicity is comforting.

[casmith07]

No question that Eli has had a career year, despite having some stinkers this year including last night, but lets not all of a sudden act like the dude has been like this his entire career.

If Dashon Goldson or Carlos Rogers actually can catch, we're talking about Eli being Eli this morning instead.

[Gaede]

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That said, Eli must hold the all time record for being bailed out of easy interceptions by two defenders running into each other. They used to say Donovan McNabb didn't throw many interceptions because his throws were so off target even defenders couldn't get to them. I think Eli's INT totals are held down by the fact that Eli often makes such remarkably bad decisions throwing into triple, even quadruple, coverage that it almost assures the likelihood of defenders running into each other for the easy pick.

No kidding. I respect Eli for his heart, but my god, I have never seen a QB that throws so many stupid balls--and not only not have it intercepted, but usually come down with a reception as well

[stasheroo]

I was never a big fan of bhis, but this year he's proved a lot to me. Offensively, his team is riding on him a great deal and he's coming through no matter what.

If he gets his second Super Bowl ring, he'll markedly rise up the list of great quarterbacks.

I give credit where credit is due, he's played great and deserves what he's earned.

[big dog cowboy]

I certainly think he's better then Rivers, and in the playoffs, I wouldn't take any other active QB over him right now.

Wow.

Just wow.

[Pentagruel]

Wow.

Just wow.

Key words, "In the playoffs". People need to learn to read here. I'm simply commenting on how much he elevates his game when it counts most. I'd rate Brady, Brees and maybe Rodgers higher then Eli overall.

[Joe Realist]

There should be no Romo or Eli debates either, but there will be, because objectivity can be hard to find here.

[InmanRoshi]

Nor can we have any more Trent Dilfer vs. Dan Marino debates.

[DFWJC]

The Giants got the better QB.
Rivers this year looked a lot like Eli last year. We'll see if he rallies back.
Eli certainly outplayed him this year...for once.

I feel certain that Rivers would be doing the exact same things as Eli if he were a Giant.

[DFWJC]

He got brutalized tonight by that niners D but he kept getting up without even blinking. Almost 60 pass attempts in the pouring rain and he took 22 hits, many of them vicious. If nothing else, he is one tough *******. I certainly think he's better then Rivers, and in the playoffs, I wouldn't take any other active QB over him right now.
Ok.
There has to be some sort of ejector button for comments like this.

Mods?

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

There should be no Romo or Eli debates either, but there will be, because objectivity can be hard to find here.

You're right there shouldn't because Romo is clearly the better player. If Romo had a solid defense, OL, and got the countless lucky breaks that Eli got he'd have multiple Super Bowls.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Key words, "In the playoffs". People need to learn to read here. I'm simply commenting on how much he elevates his game when it counts most. I'd rate Brady, Brees and maybe Rodgers higher then Eli overall.

Maybe Rodgers are you kidding me? Rodgers is clearly better. He just came off a historically great season in which he was clearly the best quarterback in pro football one playoff loss which wasn't even his fault doesn't change that.

[Big Blue Joe]

Rivers this year looked a lot like Eli last year. We'll see if he rallies back.
Eli certainly outplayed him this year...for once.

I feel certain that Rivers would be doing the exact same things as Eli if he were a Giant.Why? Rivers has had a number of talented teams in San Diego.

[Pentagruel]

Maybe Rodgers are you kidding me? Rodgers is clearly better. He just came off a historically great season in which he was clearly the best quarterback in pro football one playoff loss which wasn't even his fault doesn't change that.

If Eli wins the super bowl this year I would probably rate him right next to Rodgers and behind Brady and Brees who have had longer careers.

People need to stop taking my words out of context. I never said I thought Eli Manning was the best QB in the league, simply that if I needed a QB for a playoff game, there is no one i'd rather have on my team. Eli has a 7-3 playoff record and two amazing super bowl runs. He is incredibly clutch in the playoffs, that is simply undeniable.

And for those who don't think Eli played well against San Francisco probably didn't watch the entire game. That SF D was murderous in second half and i've never seen a QB take so many vicious hits and brush it off like it was nothing.

My overall top 10 current QB's are as follows...

Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Manning
Ben
Romo
Rivers
Cutler
Vick
Stafford

[Joe Realist]

You're right there shouldn't because Romo is clearly the better player. If Romo had a solid defense, OL, and got the countless lucky breaks that Eli got he'd have multiple Super Bowls.


Like I said, there is a lack of objectivity. If, if, if. There is no guarantee, if you put Romo on the Giants, he leads them to 2 Super Bowls. You can fantasize about that and I'll just look at what has actually happened.

[coogrfan]

Like I said, there is a lack of objectivity. If, if, if. There is no guarantee, if you put Romo on the Giants, he leads them to 2 Super Bowls. You can fantasize about that and I'll just look at what has actually happened.

Ignoring the fact that Eli has had a significantly better supporting cast is not proof of objectivity, it just means you should get your eyes checked.

[phildominator]

My overall top 10 current QB's are as follows...

Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Manning
Ben
Romo
Rivers
Cutler
Vick
Stafford

Cutler?

[Future]

I was never a big fan of bhis, but this year he's proved a lot to me. Offensively, his team is riding on him a great deal and he's coming through no matter what.

If he gets his second Super Bowl ring, he'll markedly rise up the list of great quarterbacks.

I give credit where credit is due, he's played great and deserves what he's earned.
Other way around my man. He lives off of his WRs making great plays and Bradshaw (who is really a good runner and I never particularly noticed before) consistently turning nothing into something.
Nor can we have any more Trent Dilfer vs. Dan Marino debates.
:laugh2: Wanna bet?

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Like I said, there is a lack of objectivity. If, if, if. There is no guarantee, if you put Romo on the Giants, he leads them to 2 Super Bowls. You can fantasize about that and I'll just look at what has actually happened.

Yes there is. Give me Romo a solid OL/defense like Eli has and he's definitely a SB winning QB.

[revospeed]

Yes there is. Give me Romo a solid OL/defense like Eli has and he's definitely a SB winning QB.

Romo has had those before...

[Big Blue Joe]

Ignoring the fact that Eli has had a significantly better supporting cast is not proof of objectivity, it just means you should get your eyes checked.He has? The Cowboys had 13 Pro Bowlers back in 2007. Eli had 1.

[Future]

He has? The Cowboys had 13 Pro Bowlers back in 2007. Eli had 1.
Cowboys OLine fell apart late in the year and the defense couldn't get it done in the playoffs. Those 13 pro-bowlers were only effective through about week 15.

And Eli rode the DLine to the Super Bowl. Woddy from Toy Story could have won at QB for them.

[Joe Realist]

Excusers and Apologists, I see this in your future, " My son would never do anything like that (insert officer, teacher, adminstrator, etc.)"

[Ring Leader]

Excusers and Apologists, I see this in your future, " My son would never do anything like that (insert officer, teacher, adminstrator, etc.)"

And you would be slapping your son on the back and buying him a puppy because he drove Bill Gates to the airport in his cab.

[coogrfan]

He has? The Cowboys had 13 Pro Bowlers back in 2007. Eli had 1.

There is no question that when it mattered the Giants were the better team. In the 2007 Div playoff game vs NY those "13 Pro Bowlers"

committed 11 penalties (NY committed only 3);
had at least 3 dropped balls (one by Fasano at the goal line that cost Dallas a td, another by Crayton when he appeared to have a shot at a long gainer and/or a td);
failed miserably in kick coverage, as a result of which Dallas spent most of the game in a field position hole;
Missed tackles too numerous to count.

[Big Blue Joe]

There is no question that when it mattered the Giants were the better team. I seem to remember there being quite a few questions about who the better team was. For instance, this guy certainly seemed to think the 2007 Cowboys were better:
Wade Phillips- Very disappointing ending to a very good year. After watching the tape, I feel like the best team lost the game, we outplayed them and we lost. And he was far from the only person to suggest that.