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Risen Star
01-23-2012, 11:05 PM
Senior Bowl week kicked off on Monday with weigh-ins and measurements for all NFL prospects in attendance. Here's a look at some notable numbers to come out of all the poking and prodding, as well as the players who posted the highest and lowest numbers in all the important categories.

• The most anticipated player was the last to be measured, and Wisconsin QB Russell Wilson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28525/russell-wilson) checked in at just 5-foot-10¼. He was in very good shape and looked strong overall at 203 pounds, but the bottom line is that his height would make him the shortest quarterback on an NFL roster today.

That dubious distinction currently belongs to the Cleveland Browns (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-browns)' Seneca Wallace (5-11⅜ ), and the shortest starter in the NFL is the 6-foot Drew Brees. If Wilson were four inches taller we might be talking about him as a potential first-round pick given his intangibles and production. But at an inch-and-three-quarters shorter than Brees, there are now even more challenges to overcome as Wilson tries to make an NFL roster as a quarterback.

• On a more positive note, Boise State's Kellen Moore was a bit taller than expected at 5-11¾ . However, Moore is only 191 pounds and just does not look the part. He has the body of a high school quarterback, and Moore must add bulk and strength in order to hold up to NFL punishment.

• I contend that hand size is an underrated aspect of quarterback evaluation, because gripping the ball when throwing in adverse weather or absorbing blows from pass-rushers is key to playing the position. So from that standpoint, Arizona's Nick Foles (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27468/nick-foles) won the quarterback weigh-in with 10¾ -inch hands, followed by San Diego State's Ryan Lindley (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28260/ryan-lindley) at 10⅛.

• A few players passed the eyeball test with flying colors, beginning with Notre Dame DB Harrison Smith (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28160/harrison-smith), who was absolutely shredded at 6-1¾ and 212 pounds. Smith was in perfect shape, appearing tall and ripped.

Two wide receivers also stood out. North Carolina's Dwight Jones (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28091/dwight-jones) looked solid at 6-3⅛ and 226, while Appalachian State's Brian Quick (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27462/brian-quick) is an athletic-looking 6-3½ and 222 pounds, with wide shoulders and skinny hips.

Finally, a pair of offensive tackles turned heads with their massive frames. Ohio State's Mike Adams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28759/mike-adams) is the tallest player in Mobile at 6-7, and weighs 323 pounds. Throw in his 11-inch hands (tied for biggest) and 33¼ arms and you have an impressive specimen.

Iowa State OT/G Kelechi Osemele (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28970/kelechi-osemele) was not quite as tall (6-5⅜ ), but at 333 pounds with 35¼ arms and 10⅜ hands, Osemele is an imposing figure.

Weigh-in highs and lows



Five tallest
Ohio State OT Mike Adams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28759/mike-adams) -- 6-foot-7
North Carolina DE Quinton Coples (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28090/quinton-coples) -- 6-5¾
Louisiana Lafayette TE Ladarius Green (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27935/ladarius-green) -- 6-5¾
UAB OL Matt McCants (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=27449&year=2012) -- 6-5⅝
Georgia OL Cordy Glenn (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27703/cordy-glenn) -- 6-5½
Florida State OL Zebrie Sanders (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27672/zebrie-sanders) -- 6-5½
Utah OL Tony Bergstrom (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28898/tony-bergstrom) -- 6-5½


Five Shortest
Alabama WR Marquis Maze (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27433/marquis-maze) -- 5-7¾
Florida RB Chris Rainey (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27661/chris-rainey) -- 5-8⅜
Houston WR Patrick Edwards (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=27760&year=2012) -- 5-8⅞
Boise State RB Doug Martin (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28603/doug-martin) -- 5-9
Ohio State RB Dan Herron (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28761/dan-herron) -- 5-9¼
Georgia DB Brandon Boykin (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27704/brandon-boykin) -- 5-9¼


Five heaviest
Glenn -- 346 pounds
Washington DT Alameda Ta'amu (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28429/alameda-taamu) -- 341
Iowa State OL Kelechi Osemele (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28970/kelechi-osemele) -- 333
Penn State OL Johnnie Troutman (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28192/johnnie-troutman) -- 325
Adams -- 323


Five lightest
Edwards -- 168
Arkansas WR Joe Adams (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28546/joe-adams) -- 174
Louisiana-Lafayette DB Dwight Bentley (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27936/dwight-bentley) -- 176
Rainey -- 178
N.C. State WR T.J. Graham (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=28999&year=2012) -- 182


Five biggest hands
Sanders -- 11 inches
Adams -- 11
Arizona QB Nick Foles (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27468/nick-foles) -- 10¾
Cincinnati DL Derek Wolfe (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27545/derek-wolfe) -- 10¾
Arizona WR Juron Criner (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27467/juron-criner) -- 10½
LSU OL Will Blackwell (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28982/will-blackwell) -- 10½


Five smallest hands
Bentley -- 7.7
Iowa State DB Leonard Johnson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27826/leonard-johnson) -- 8
North Alabama CB Janoris Jenkins (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28085/janoris-jenkins) -- 8¼
Penn State DB D'Anton Lynn (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=28186&year=2012) -- 8⅜
Alabama S De'Quan Menzie (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=27436&year=2012) -- 8½


Five longest arms
Osemele -- 35¼ inches
Glenn -- 35⅛
McCants -- 35
Sanders -- 34⅝
Texas A&M DL Tony Jerod-Eddie (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=28396&year=2012) -- 34⅜


Five shortest arms
Cal-Poly DB Asa Jackson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28648/asa-jackson) -- 28⅝
Johnson -- 28¾
Texas A&M PK Randy Bullock -- 28¾
Lynn -- 29
Edwards -- 29⅜
Maze -- 29⅜
Texas A&M RB Cyrus Gray (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28394/cyrus-gray) -- 29⅜


Five longest wingspans
Osemele -- 85½ inches
Glenn -- 84⅝
California OL Mitchell Schwartz (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27497/mitchell-schwartz) -- 83⅝
Sanders -- 83⅝
McCants -- 82⅝


Five shortest wingspans
Jackson -- 68⅜
Johnson -- 70⅜
Wisconsin LS Kyle Wojta (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28522/kyle-wojta) -- 70⅝
Bullock -- 70¾
Bentley -- 70⅞

More: http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/blog/_/name/nfl_draft/id/7494429/2012-nfl-draft-senior-bowl-weigh-offers-plenty-digest

tm1119
01-23-2012, 11:36 PM
There goes any shot Wilson had at getting drafted in the 4th or earlier. Barely reaching 5'10 is just too small for an NFL QB.

JerryFan
01-24-2012, 06:17 AM
There goes any shot Wilson had at getting drafted in the 4th or earlier. Barely reaching 5'10 is just too small for an NFL QB.


It's really too bad honestly the kid has some game thats for sure.

burmafrd
01-24-2012, 07:08 AM
yeah. Brees has trouble sometimes with his height; so Wilson would be worse. Especially as O linemen and D linemen keep growing in height.

BraveHeartFan
01-24-2012, 09:13 AM
Yep. That height measurement has probably all but doomed his career at QB in the NFL.

InmanRoshi
01-24-2012, 09:54 AM
I would take Wilson in a mid round and not think twice. Height is probably the most overrated trait in a QB (especially if Drew Brees is the posterboy for a player who "struggles" with it).

TheCount
01-24-2012, 10:10 AM
I still like Wilson. Shoot me.

Aven8
01-24-2012, 10:10 AM
I would take Wilson in a mid round and not think twice. Height is probably the most overrated trait in a QB (especially if Drew Brees is the posterboy for a player who "struggles" with it).

I agree. You can play or you can't. That little guy from Boston College was pretty good.

InmanRoshi
01-24-2012, 10:16 AM
I agree. You can play or you can't. That little guy from Boston College was pretty good.

And let's not forget that height was the reason why Joe Montana fell to the 3rd round. No quarterback is looking over the top of 6'6" offensive linemen. Quarterbacks are looking and playing through holes and gaps.

I worry about a QB "seeing the field", but I would focus more on his peripheral vision and ability to see the entire field from sideline to sideline without adjusting his head, which I absolutely believe is a genetic, physical trait. You should be able to scout that by how often the QB can hit his 3rd and 4th reads, whether he has to stare down his targets, or if he can move the safeties around with his eyes while still accurately throwing to his targets.

joseephuss
01-24-2012, 10:30 AM
I agree. You can play or you can't. That little guy from Boston College was pretty good.

No, he wasn't. He was okay. That is better than other QBs in the NFL, but it is not the same as being pretty good.

rester
01-24-2012, 10:42 AM
The Washington Redskins held a long meeting with Wisconsin quarterback Russell Wilson on Sunday night. They spent more time with Wilson than a typical player interview, so that could indicate some interest on the Redskins part. Wilson would be a good fit in Mike Shanahan's offense, and he could be targeted on the third day of the 2012 NFL Draft. Wilson's lack of size (5-10, 203), was as advertised. It wouldn't be surprising if Washington acquires a veteran quarterback while developing Wilson to see if he can overcome the lack of height through good grooming and coaching.

wo hooooo draft him Washington

InmanRoshi
01-24-2012, 10:51 AM
He would be a great fit in Shanny's playaction bootleg passing game. He's a two way threat who is extremely accurate throwing on the run.

rester
01-24-2012, 11:06 AM
He would be a great fit in Shanny's playaction bootleg passing game. He's a two way threat who is extremely accurate throwing on the run.

when you joining Wash team page

I hope they draft him

natedoug
01-24-2012, 12:18 PM
Iowa State OT/G Kelechi Osemele (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28970/kelechi-osemele) was not quite as tall (6-5⅜ ), but at 333 pounds with 35¼ arms and 10⅜ hands, Osemele is an imposing figure.

Want to see how this kid performs in the O-line drills and the game. Based on some of the reports yesterday - he performed very well. Might be better to kick him inside as a GUARD.

cruz_aedo861
01-25-2012, 12:49 AM
And let's not forget that height was the reason why Joe Montana fell to the 3rd round. No quarterback is looking over the top of 6'6" offensive linemen. Quarterbacks are looking and playing through holes and gaps.


Except for Brock Osweiler.

rester
01-25-2012, 01:12 AM
I watch Kelechi Osemele (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28970/kelechi-osemele) play he is not a day one starter

IMO

burmafrd
01-25-2012, 07:01 AM
Wilson will be another Doug Flutie at best.