Cordy Glenn

[Randy White]

Hey folks:

Watch the South practices today and pay close attention to #71 wearing the Georgia Bulldogs helmet. Mr. Glenn made alot of money today.. Alot. Look closely how he moves his feet in pass protection, how he doesn't get driven back much, how he bends his knees, but more important:

How he does all of those things while playing RG, RT, LG and, yes, Left Tackle.

I just watched him cold stop Courtney Upshaw on a 7 drop step pass, block out the backside on a run to the opposite side, and pull on a sweep and take out the defensive back in consecutive plays: as a LEFT tackle.

and there he goes again, one on one against Courtney Upshaw as a left tackle and Upshaw didn't go anywhere..

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Whispers are he's just as good as decastro and we could buy ourselves some nice ammunition trading back

[Randy White]

I said that, in my opinion, one of the most fundamentally sound ( if not THE most fundamentally sound ) tackles that I saw in the Senior Bowl practices and game was James Carpenter ( Alabama ). Most thought he'd be a guard because he was undersized at " 6'4, 320 lbs ". Even I thought he would be a good pick up in the 2nd to 3rd round area. Well, the Seahawks proved me wrong and jumped up in the 1st round to get him, and was having a pretty good year ( starting every game ) until he went out with a knee injury in November.

This year, Cordy Glenn is James Carpenter. I don't know how far his draft stock is going to shoot up, BUT if he falls anywhere past 20th pick, I want the Cowboys to jump up and get him, I don't care if we got DeCastro at #14.

[Randy White]

Whispers are he's just as good as decastro and we could buy ourselves some nice ammunition trading back

Want to know something ?

After what I just witnessed, I would go as far as to say that I'd have no problems whatsoever inserting him at the LT position and moving Free to guard. None whatsoever. I don't know what his upside as a tackle would be, but just going by the sheer fact that I'd lose no sleep if he had to play LT, tells me that this guy is an instant All Pro guard in progress.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Want to know something ?

After what I just witnessed, I would go as far as to say that I'd have no problems whatsoever inserting him at the LT position and moving Free to guard. None whatsoever. I don't know what his upside as a tackle would be, but just going by the sheer fact that I'd lose no sleep if he had to play LT, tells me that this guy is an instant All Pro guard in progress.

I think he'll be a better guard because he can get his hands on his man quickly and surely then take it from there. We need to run block better.

I could envision a JPP giving him troubles, I dint see a justin tuck getting around him.

I can work with Tyron-nicks-camp winner- Glenn- free and an extra 2nd round pick to get two(2) new front 7 players in the top 50. Irvin and merciless look good to me

[Randy White]

Ingram proved today that he has the potential to be a terror as a 3/4 OLB. He's shown he can cover down field, play special teams, and has terrific hands, but today he showed the type of intensity he brings on every play.

I've been saying it for a while now: I don't see how this guy gets past Buffalo.

As of right now, my " you wish/in your dreams draft " would be Ingram at #14 and the Cowboys trading up into the 20's for Cordy Glenn.

Give me those 2, and I'll give you the draft picks that are left.

[reddyuta]

Ingram proved today that he has the potential to be a terror as a 3/4 OLB. He's shown he can cover down field, play special teams, and has terrific hands, but today he showed the type of intensity he brings on every play.

I've been saying it for a while now: I don't see how this guy gets past Buffalo.

As of right now, my " you wish/in your dreams draft " would be Ingram at #14 and the Cowboys trading up into the 20's for Cordy Glenn.

Give me those 2, and I'll give you the draft picks that are left.

I think you are right about Ingram,he will look better and better as the draft nears,i am not getting my hopes up about him being there at 14.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Ingram proved today that he has the potential to be a terror as a 3/4 OLB. He's shown he can cover down field, play special teams, and has terrific hands, but today he showed the type of intensity he brings on every play.

I've been saying it for a while now: I don't see how this guy gets past Buffalo.

As of right now, my " you wish/in your dreams draft " would be Ingram at #14 and the Cowboys trading up into the 20's for Cordy Glenn.

Give me those 2, and I'll give you the draft picks that are left.



We like a lot of the same guys. Ingram is a playmaker and still has a high ceiling at Olb since he could get leaner if asked. But hes still got plenty of athleticism at that size and can move to DE in nickel.

[Randy White]

I think he'll be a better guard because he can get his hands on his man quickly and surely then take it from there. We need to run block better. I could envision a JPP giving him troubles, I dint see a justin tuck getting around him. I can work with Tyron-nicks-camp winner- Glenn- free and an extra 2nd round pick to get two(2) new front 7 players in the top 50. Irvin and merciless look good to me

I don't envision JPP doing a great deal against him because I also saw him going against Coples, who's a JPP clone, albeit on a run play. However, I'm with you in that I wouldn't put him at tackle either. Not because he can't handle it, but because I'd be sacrificing a 12 years Pro Bowl career at the guard position. This guy belongs at the Guard position, but it's just fantastic to know that he can handle both tackle positions as well.

[ABQcowboyJR]

I might go with more of a knock on upshaw

[tm1119]

Want to know something ?

After what I just witnessed, I would go as far as to say that I'd have no problems whatsoever inserting him at the LT position and moving Free to guard. None whatsoever. I don't know what his upside as a tackle would be, but just going by the sheer fact that I'd lose no sleep if he had to play LT, tells me that this guy is an instant All Pro guard in progress.

You just watched him practice against college players. You're going WAY overboard. Glenn is not an NFL LT, and he sure as hell won't be a better 1 than Tyron. He will more than likely make a nice guard in the future, but he still isn't the prospect DeCastro is.

[da_boyz_mk]

after watching the senior bowl practices i think a trade down is a real possibility if decastro is gone before our pick at 14. i like ingram a little more than upshaw but I don't really see elite pass rush ability from either one, or coples for that matter. Ingram seems to have a better assortment of moves but i don't see elite burst off the line from him.i think moving down to around pick 20 or so would be better value than at 14 for guys like ingram and upshaw. i do like decastro or glenn at 14 although i think glenn fits better at guard

[Randy White]

You just watched him practice against college players. You're going WAY overboard. Glenn is not an NFL LT, and he sure as hell won't be a better 1 than Tyron. He will more than likely make a nice guard in the future, but he still isn't the prospect DeCastro is.

Let me ask you something, the left tackles that are going to get drafted in the top 10 come April ( and DeCastro himself ), who is it exactly they've been playing against all this time if not college players ?

[Risen Star]

Yeah, I really don't think DeCastro is clearly better. Glenn could start at RT his rookie year too. The dude's a beast. The only thing I worry about is the weight.

[burmafrd]

Yeah, I really don't think DeCastro is clearly better. Glenn could start at RT his rookie year too. The dude's a beast. The only thing I worry about is the weight.

having watched both of them in real games Decastro is clearly better.

[supercowboy8]

Hey folks:

Watch the South practices today and pay close attention to #71 wearing the Georgia Bulldogs helmet. Mr. Glenn made alot of money today.. Alot. Look closely how he moves his feet in pass protection, how he doesn't get driven back much, how he bends his knees, but more important:

How he does all of those things while playing RG, RT, LG and, yes, Left Tackle.

I just watched him cold stop Courtney Upshaw on a 7 drop step pass, block out the backside on a run to the opposite side, and pull on a sweep and take out the defensive back in consecutive plays: as a LEFT tackle.

and there he goes again, one on one against Courtney Upshaw as a left tackle and Upshaw didn't go anywhere..

Glenn is a,. dare I say, Larry Allen type player. I would have no problem if a blue chip OLB or CB isn't there trading back and getting Glenn. The Also have you noticed Ben Jones this week, and I haven't heard anything about him.

[tm1119]

Let me ask you something, the left tackles that are going to get drafted in the top 10 come April ( and DeCastro himself ), who is it exactly they've been playing against all this time if not college players ?

Yeah obviously I understand that. But how much have watched Glenn play over the past few years? Or are u judging him solely on these practices? Because if its the latter than its just silly(to put it nicely).

And its becoming more and more aparent that Upshaw is not a elite pass rusher. Shutting him down should be manditory for any o-lineman with a 1st round grade.

[Avery]

I think Glenn needs to play inside. Reports are that he struggles a bit at tackle but is immovable inside. Play him to his strengths.

[supercowboy8]

Ingram proved today that he has the potential to be a terror as a 3/4 OLB. He's shown he can cover down field, play special teams, and has terrific hands, but today he showed the type of intensity he brings on every play.

I've been saying it for a while now: I don't see how this guy gets past Buffalo.

As of right now, my " you wish/in your dreams draft " would be Ingram at #14 and the Cowboys trading up into the 20's for Cordy Glenn.

Give me those 2, and I'll give you the draft picks that are left.

I agree I have been saying for the past that Inram is a freak beast, I even wrote about him but people told me I didn't know what I was talking about. I Some people on her here like Upshw over Ingram but those same people have never been seen every game they both have played in like I have.

[Randy White]

Yeah obviously I understand that. But how much have watched Glenn play over the past few years? Or are u judging him solely on these practices? Because if its the latter than its just silly(to put it nicely).

No, I haven't watched him play every game in his career at Georgia, but neither I have of DeCastro at Standford, or any of the of the top linemen, at their respective schools, that will get drafted at the top of the 1st round ( have you ? ). Yet, there's little doubt that, at least, they've shown the potential to play effectively in the next level.

What Glenn showed today is exactly that.

And its becoming more and more aparent that Upshaw is not a elite pass rusher. Shutting him down should be manditory for any o-lineman with a 1st round grade.

That I agree with to an extent because it wasn't just Upshaw who Glenn shut down. It was anybody who lined up in front him. And I'm talking about defensive tackles, defensive ends, and OLBs who are projected as pass rushers.

He had an outstanding day today. Let's see if he carries the momentum to the game itself and the workouts afterwards.

[tm1119]

No, I haven't watched him play every game in his career at Georgia, but neither I have of DeCastro at Standford, or any of the of the top linemen, at their respective schools, that will get drafted at the top of the 1st round ( have you ? ). Yet, there's little doubt that, at least, they've shown the potential to play effectively in the next level.

What Glenn showed today is exactly that.



That I agree with to an extent because it wasn't just Upshaw who Glenn shut down. It was anybody who lined up in front him. And I'm talking about defensive tackles, defensive ends, and OLBs who are projected as pass rushers.

He had an outstanding day today. Let's see if he carries the momentum to the game itself and the workouts afterwards.

Look I like the kid too, think he has a bright future at guard. Youre comment that he could be our starting LT next year though was just too much and is what made me spark this argument.

But on another note, does anybody actually see us drafting a 340+lb guard? Isnt Garrett's philosophy to have athletic guards who are on the smaller side? Not saying I agree with this or that I would stay away from Glenn personally, just asking how realistic it is that we are looking at the kid given Garrett's
philosophies.

[supercowboy8]

Cordy Glenn to me, and who had seen him play every game the last three years, he is better fit at OG but can be your #3 OT when needed. He is a more agile Orlando Franklin. I said it before, Glenn reminds me alotof Larry Allen

[supercowboy8]

Look I like the kid too, think he has a bright future at guard. Youre comment that he could be our starting LT next year though was just too much and is what made me spark this argument.

But on another note, does anybody actually see us drafting a 340+lb guard? Isnt Garrett's philosophy to have athletic guards who are on the smaller side? Not saying I agree with this or that I would stay away from Glenn personally, just asking how realistic it is that we are looking at the kid given Garrett's
philosophies.

Actually no. They went that way because that's all they had but Jerry said this week that they need more beef and size in the middle. So yes I think they would get a 340 pound ol like Glenn because Glenn because Glenn can move and pull and has great feet.

[Randy White]

Look I like the kid too, think he has a bright future at guard. Youre comment that he could be our starting LT next year though was just too much and is what made me spark this argument.

Yea, but what I said was that I wouldn't have a problem ( or lose sleep ) if they decided to start him at LT. He's that good in my opinion, and what makes him an even better guard.

But on another note, does anybody actually see us drafting a 340+lb guard? Isnt Garrett's philosophy to have athletic guards who are on the smaller side? Not saying I agree with this or that I would stay away from Glenn personally, just asking how realistic it is that we are looking at the kid given Garrett's philosophies.

I hope not. I hope he learned a thing or two from the Tonys ( Wise and Sparano ) when it came to guards. Nate, Larry, Kevin Gogan, all three have been the best 3 guards that have played for the Cowboys since the late 80's and all were big, strong and athletic. Leonard Davis had his best year as a pro under Sparano.

[Randy White]

Cordy Glenn to me, and who had seen him play every game the last three years, he is better fit at OG but can be your #3 OT when needed. He is a more agile Orlando Franklin.


DUDE...!!!

The first time I saw Orlando Franklin was as an underclassman during drills at a UM game in the Orange Bowl against Temple. Immediately after the drills were over, I turned to my buddy and told him that the guy was going to be a starting guard in the NFL one day. One of the reasons why he wasn't noticed more was UM sucking so much. There was an immediate first impression of " oh, they're a bunch of talented underachievers " from almost ever corner of the profession when it came to evaluation. I really liked the kid.

[Risen Star]

Of course I've seen both play. You can't watch college football every Saturday and not catch Stanford and Georgia.

I just don't see much of a difference. Both are potential dominators inside and I think Glenn could play RT at a high level as well.

[Risen Star]

DUDE...!!!

The first time I saw Orlando Franklin was as an underclassman during drills at a UM game in the Orange Bowl against Temple. Immediately after the drills were over, I turned to my buddy and told him that the guy was going to be a starting guard in the NFL one day. One of the reasons why he wasn't noticed more was UM sucking so much. There was an immediate first impression of " oh, they're a bunch of talented underachievers " from almost ever corner of the profession when it came to evaluation. I really liked the kid.

Franklin was one of my pet cats. I'd have loved to have drafted him. I think he was in my final mock before the draft.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I think decastro is safer, but Glenn has a higher ceiling w/ his strength.

Decastro or Glenn + a 2nd round pick

I'll take the latter. We need multiple front 7 athletes

[RS12]

If they stay at 14 it has to be a cant miss guy. I think Ingram is gone before then. I think Upshaw is a little better than Spencer. I think Glen has alot of upside, dont know about cant miss. DeCastro IMO cant miss.

[supercowboy8]

If they stay at 14 it has to be a cant miss guy. I think Ingram is gone before then. I think Upshaw is a little better than Spencer. I think Glen has alot of upside, dont know about cant miss. DeCastro IMO cant miss.

I agree I think Ingram is gone top 10 but I also think Upshaw has made himself a top 12 pick now.
The thing about the senior bowl, it makes everyone forget about the juniors. Hightower will be a beast at the NFL level and can play OLB. Also don't forget about Vontaze Burfict, yes he has concerns but I think he has worked on those this past year and will continue to mature.
hightower and Burfict have amazing strength ans speed and just always seems to be around the ball and making plays when needed. I would take Hightower before Burfict.
Hightower is ready to go day one as Burfict still needs to learn to play more disciplined and learn how to read the play more than just reacting and over running the play.

If i can't get Hightower in a trade back I would do it in a heart beat.

[rkell87]

i see glenn more like brian waters instead of larry allen

[silverbear]

Whispers are he's just as good as decastro and we could buy ourselves some nice ammunition trading back

I don't know if he's just as good as DeCastro, but there ain't much of a difference...

My current belief is the Cowboys should sit tight at 14 and hope that DeCastro falls to them... if he doesn't. trade down to the low 20s, add another second rounder (looking at how my draft spreadsheet is shaping up right now, I really like the talent likely to be available in the second), and draft Glenn...

Ideally, the Boys would already have signed Carl Nicks in free agency, and you'd have a pair of agile 350 pounders manning your guard slots...

[MarionBarberThe4th]

We might need decastro there to get full value for the pick though

If we go from 14 to 21-23 and pick up 53-55 in the process and get
Glenn
Merciless
Irvin
To go along with Nicks and Finnegan I'll take it. I would not take a CB there, he'd be our #4.



I don't know if he's just as good as DeCastro, but there ain't much of a difference...

My current belief is the Cowboys should sit tight at 14 and hope that DeCastro falls to them... if he doesn't. trade down to the low 20s, add another second rounder (looking at how my draft spreadsheet is shaping up right now, I really like the talent likely to be available in the second), and draft Glenn...

Ideally, the Boys would already have signed Carl Nicks in free agency, and you'd have a pair of agile 350 pounders manning your guard slots...

[Randy White]

I agree with much that with only one caviat:

When I trade down, I'm making sure it's still ahead of the Chargers because there's no way SD is passing on Glenn now.

However, I would use that to my advantage in another way. I'd use DeCastro to extract at least a 2nd round pick out of San Diego, plus other considerations, if they're desperate enough. I don't mind trading down to #18, getting the Chargers 2nd (49th? overall ) in the process.

I could do some serious damage with the 45th and 49th picks in the 2nd round.

[InmanRoshi]

I actually like Glenn a little bit more than DeCastro. DeCastro is a fine technician, he got really good coaching in college, but if I'm drafting a guard with a Top 15 pick he better be a freak of nature who is blowing people 5 yards off the ball in college ala Larry Allen in his prime, and I never see DeCastro doing that.


I think Glenn will eventually be just as good as a guard once he's allowed to move inside and focus on a much easier position and receive NFL caliber coaching. Plus I think he has a little more ceiling and he has the versatility to play multiple positions. I really don't think he would have much problem playing right tackle in the NFL, although he might be better at guard, because his arm length and wingspan at 35 1/8. Anything over 35 inches is freak caliber wingspan, even for offensive tackles. That's Marcus McNeil, D'Brickshaw Ferguson caliber arm length. I look at him as non-crazy Shawn Andrews.

[Chocolate Lab]

Lot of blasphemy in this thread, claiming anyone could be better than David Decastro...

:cool: ;)

[jterrell]

Hey folks:

Watch the South practices today and pay close attention to #71 wearing the Georgia Bulldogs helmet. Mr. Glenn made alot of money today.. Alot. Look closely how he moves his feet in pass protection, how he doesn't get driven back much, how he bends his knees, but more important:

How he does all of those things while playing RG, RT, LG and, yes, Left Tackle.

I just watched him cold stop Courtney Upshaw on a 7 drop step pass, block out the backside on a run to the opposite side, and pull on a sweep and take out the defensive back in consecutive plays: as a LEFT tackle.

and there he goes again, one on one against Courtney Upshaw as a left tackle and Upshaw didn't go anywhere..

He got crushed twice by Upshaw and once by Ingram in one on one drills. The jury is out on if he can play RT and LT isn't even a consideration at this point according to Mayock today.

He is a solid late R1 guy at this point but no higher and definitely not projected to play LT. Calling him Larry Allen like is pure lunacy.

[jterrell]

I agree I think Ingram is gone top 10 but I also think Upshaw has made himself a top 12 pick now.
The thing about the senior bowl, it makes everyone forget about the juniors. Hightower will be a beast at the NFL level and can play OLB. Also don't forget about Vontaze Burfict, yes he has concerns but I think he has worked on those this past year and will continue to mature.
hightower and Burfict have amazing strength ans speed and just always seems to be around the ball and making plays when needed. I would take Hightower before Burfict.
Hightower is ready to go day one as Burfict still needs to learn to play more disciplined and learn how to read the play more than just reacting and over running the play.

If i can't get Hightower in a trade back I would do it in a heart beat.

Ingram and Upshaw won't be high on every board. They don't have the measurables many teams want in a pass rusher. Short with short arms is a very real knock. They will be very high for Pittsburgh and some other teams though. Buffalo for one of these guys makes tons of sense, but Buffalo may also look at Spencer as an option.

There will be a couple other pass rushers go before them. Guys who are more traditional 4-3 ends.

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Just caught up on the DVR, good call. Glenn looks grea, even got out in space on a screen and picked off a DB. He really can lock into the defender and turn and/or shield him from his RB. He would open holes, not just hold on for dear life.

And all the Texas School DL look jagtastic.

Coples is a baby Peppers all the way. Great athlete and very strong but he doesn't always love to compete

[MarionBarberThe4th]

He got crushed twice by Upshaw and once by Ingram in one on one drills. The jury is out on if he can play RT and LT isn't even a consideration at this point according to Mayock today.

He gave a little ground to coples in 1 on 1. I didn't see what you said VS those guys. Especially in live action

[silverbear]

But on another note, does anybody actually see us drafting a 340+lb guard? Isnt Garrett's philosophy to have athletic guards who are on the smaller side? Not saying I agree with this or that I would stay away from Glenn personally, just asking how realistic it is that we are looking at the kid given Garrett's
philosophies.

Well, remember that when the Boys needed OL help in the course of last season, they turned to two pretty big ol' boys, Montrae Holland and Derrick Dockery... they're both 325 pounders...

And while Tyron Smith, Bill Nagy and David Arkin were only a little over 300 pounds when the Boys drafted them last year, all were projected to have the growth potential to play at 315-320 pounds...

So yeah, Garrett wants athletic linemen, but it would appear that he likes them athletic AND big... so do I... Glenn fits that profile, IMO...

So does Carl Nicks, FWIW...

[silverbear]

Cordy Glenn to me, and who had seen him play every game the last three years, he is better fit at OG but can be your #3 OT when needed. He is a more agile Orlando Franklin. I said it before, Glenn reminds me alotof Larry Allen

I think that last sentence is a little over the top, he's bigger than Larry was, but nowhere near as athletic (Allen came out of college running a sub-5 second 40, which would be .25-.3 seconds faster than Glenn is likely to time)...

But other than that, I think you're spot on in your analysis of Glenn... he can indeed play tackle in a pinch, though I'd limit him to RT... don't think he has the quickness to handle the speed rushers he'd be likely to face at LT...

But hey, gimme a guy who can play RG, LG and RT for you, and play any of them well... we have of course disagreed some in the recent past, but we're on the same page here...

Had to happen someday... :D

[silverbear]

I agree with much that with only one caviat:

When I trade down, I'm making sure it's still ahead of the Chargers because there's no way SD is passing on Glenn now.

However, I would use that to my advantage in another way. I'd use DeCastro to extract at least a 2nd round pick out of San Diego, plus other considerations, if they're desperate enough. I don't mind trading down to #18, getting the Chargers 2nd (49th? overall ) in the process.

I could do some serious damage with the 45th and 49th picks in the 2nd round.

Sounds like a plan to me, RW... now, let's get Jerry and Jason on board...

:D

[silverbear]

He is a solid late R1 guy at this point but no higher and definitely not projected to play LT. Calling him Larry Allen like is pure lunacy.

Yeah, but calling anybody Larry Allen-like is pure lunacy... we'll never see another like him...

[Zaxor]

Yup I am already on board with the statement that I think Glenn in the long run will be a better pro than DeCastro

[Randy White]

He got crushed twice by Upshaw and once by Ingram in one on one drills. The jury is out on if he can play RT and LT isn't even a consideration at this point according to Mayock today. .

You're not the first one who has said that today, so I went back and looked at the drills they showed on the NFL network. Now, unless there were other drills that I missed, neither Upshaw, or Coples did anything against Glenn, at any time. Ingram was a beast in this clip, as you'll see, but it wasn't against Glenn.

Here's the video that I saw:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-senior-bowl/09000d5d82653694/Senior-Bowl-Thomas-Dimitroff

1:29 mark: As a LT against Upshaw, showed outstanding footwork, pushed him around the QB spot.

3:00 mark: Gets in front of Coples again as a LT with great footwork, keeps his body in front of him at all times, pad level low.

The very next play against Malik Jackson from Tennessee, completely renders him ineffective.

I can't find the 11 on 11 scrimage that came right after those drills, but in it, you'd see him pulling ( ala Doug Free ), you'd see him run block, and you'd see him pass block against Upshaw again, all from the LT position. You'd also see him at RG but for one play.

Why Mayock implied that he couldn't play LT while the video was showing the exact opposite, I don't know. Again, perhaps Mayock was going on information that wasn't shown as he was talking, but, to me, it looks like the guy could play that position without a problem.

Now, would I start him there ? No. I think he has the potential to be an All Pro guard for the next 12 years and I wouldn't want to mess with that. I, however, wouldn't lose any sleep if he had to play either tackle positions.

[burmafrd]

Cordy Glenn to me, and who had seen him play every game the last three years, he is better fit at OG but can be your #3 OT when needed. He is a more agile Orlando Franklin. I said it before, Glenn reminds me alotof Larry Allen


you clearly never watched LA in his prime

[InmanRoshi]

Cordy's weight doesn't really bother me. Cordy is big sized, but it's a good football body ... 6'5"+, freakishly long limbs, thick thighs, and a huge bubble butt. He was athletic and mobile enough to play left tackle in the SEC. It might have to be something that's monitored a little bit, but we're not talking Max Jean Giles here who's got 150 lbs. of extra gut on a 6'2" frame..

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1008/cfb.preview.all-sec.team/images/cordy-glenn.jpg

[jterrell]

He gave a little ground to coples in 1 on 1. I didn't see what you said VS those guys. Especially in live action

I was talking about in 1 on 1 drills.

[jterrell]

You're not the first one who has said that today, so I went back and looked at the drills they showed on the NFL network. Now, unless there were other drills that I missed, neither Upshaw, or Coples did anything against Glenn, at any time. Ingram was a beast in this clip, as you'll see, but it wasn't against Glenn.

Here's the video that I saw:

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-senior-bowl/09000d5d82653694/Senior-Bowl-Thomas-Dimitroff

1:29 mark: As a LT against Upshaw, showed outstanding footwork, pushed him around the QB spot.

3:00 mark: Gets in front of Coples again as a LT with great footwork, keeps his body in front of him at all times, pad level low.

The very next play against Malik Jackson from Tennessee, completely renders him ineffective.

I can't find the 11 on 11 scrimage that came right after those drills, but in it, you'd see him pulling ( ala Doug Free ), you'd see him run block, and you'd see him pass block against Upshaw again, all from the LT position. You'd also see him at RG but for one play.

Why Mayock implied that he couldn't play LT while the video was showing the exact opposite, I don't know. Again, perhaps Mayock was going on information that wasn't shown as he was talking, but, to me, it looks like the guy could play that position without a problem.

Now, would I start him there ? No. I think he has the potential to be an All Pro guard for the next 12 years and I wouldn't want to mess with that. I, however, wouldn't lose any sleep if he had to play either tackle positions.

I went back and looked as I still had them all TIVO'd and it was day 1 where they both bested him fairly easily in 1 on 1 drills. I watched day 2 by accident due to TIVO order.

In day 3 he handled Coples with ease. On day 3 we saw only a couple matchups and they didn't show as much 1 on 1 stuff for some reason.
I'd give him a draw once and a loss on the other in the Upshaw and Ingram match ups one on one. He did look much better in team drills but all the OL do.

But Mayock and Bunting who represent the most knowledgeable draftnerds that watched every snap both say Glenn is an OG. Bunting and Mayock also both like him a lot but just acknowledge he is an inside guy with a shot at RT. He ranks him the 5th best prospect at the Senior Bowl and ahead of Ingram but not Upshaw... which seems odd to me.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Ranking-the-Senior-Bowls-Top-10-prospects.html

Glenn had some struggles this week at OT. However, when lined-up inside at guard he was downright dominant. He showcased good natural quickness off the ball, was able to extend his arms and control blockers with ease through contact. Looks like a first round caliber guard prospect to me.

My personal take is he is the 2nd OG. Probably did move up some boards this week and may now be as high as 20. I'd definitely worry about taking a guy at 350 pounds who hasn't ever had any money and then paying him a couple mil per but if we traded down to around 20 and took the player left out of Upshaw, Ingram, DeCastro and Glenn while picking up a high 3rd or low second to use on a CB I'd be ok with that for sure.

After looking at day 3 team stuff I can see why he would be on our radar.

BTW, I know everyone will love Coples by Draft Day but that guy has bust written all over him to me.

[supercowboy8]

you clearly never watched LA in his prime
did I say he was the next Larry Allen. No I said he reminds me of Larry Allen, never once said he is the next Larry Allen.
You need to watch Cordy Glenn when he played OG. Big strong and could pull. Very light footed for his size.

I didn't know 40 times meant that much to a OL.

[newlander]

having watched both of them in real games Decastro is clearly better.



..I saw Decastro play 3 times this year against PAC 10 teams and OK State: he's a monster. THen I saw Glenn play vs the SEC and MSU in the Outback Bowl: not near as productive: yes Glenn played vs. better competition BUT..............I still like Decastro better and so do the scouts....we'll see.

[burmafrd]

did I say he was the next Larry Allen. No I said he reminds me of Larry Allen, never once said he is the next Larry Allen.
You need to watch Cordy Glenn when he played OG. Big strong and could pull. Very light footed for his size.

I didn't know 40 times meant that much to a OL.

I have watched Glenn and he could not carry LA's jock. clearly you never saw him when he was destroying people.

[ABQCOWBOY]

I really think the question becomes, do you want to sign an FA Guard or do you want to use #14 on a Guard? I don't think we do both?

What provides more bang for the Buck?

Option A - Decastro at 14

Option B - Sign an FA Guard and take another need player at 14 and draft another Guard later in the draft?

[tm1119]

I really think the question becomes, do you want to sign an FA Guard or do you want to use #14 on a Guard? I don't think we do both?

What provides more bang for the Buck?

Option A - Decastro at 14

Option B - Sign an FA Guard and take another need player at 14 and draft another Guard later in the draft?

Personally Id rather sign Nicks and draft Ingram/Kirkpatrick at #14. I'm with u in the fact that I highly doubt we spend big $ signing a guard + draft 1 at 14. Just doesn't seem reasonable given our needs. Let Arkin get a shot, they drafted him for a reason.

[supercowboy8]

I have watched Glenn and he could not carry LA's jock. clearly you never saw him when he was destroying people.

No I did, but again since you can't comprehend what I am really saying.
He reminds me of Larry Allen, never ever once said he is the same as Larry Allen. There is a difference.

[marchetta]

I don't envision JPP doing a great deal against him because I also saw him going against Coples, who's a JPP clone, albeit on a run play. However, I'm with you in that I wouldn't put him at tackle either. Not because he can't handle it, but because I'd be sacrificing a 12 years Pro Bowl career at the guard position. This guy belongs at the Guard position, but it's just fantastic to know that he can handle both tackle positions as well.

Kinda like another player we once had. Dare I say it?

Hint: LA

[silverbear]

No I did, but again since you can't comprehend what I am really saying.
He reminds me of Larry Allen, never ever once said he is the same as Larry Allen. There is a difference.

I hear you, man... I mean, how could you NOT see the similarities??

Allen was 6-3, 325 pounds coming out of college, Glenn is 6-6, 350...

Allen run a sub-5 second 40 before the draft, Glenn will run in the 5.25-5.3 second range...

Allen bench pressed 700 pounds, Glenn benches... well, I don't know what he benches, but here's betting he couldn't come within 100, perhaps 200 pounds of that number...

Allen played for a very small school in California, Glenn played for an SEC school...

OMG, they could be TWINS... :D

I'm a fan of Cordy Glenn, but he can't even dream of ever being as agile, as mobile as Larry Allen was...

[supercowboy8]

I hear you, man... I mean, how could you NOT see the similarities??

Allen was 6-3, 325 pounds coming out of college, Glenn is 6-6, 350...

Allen run a sub-5 second 40 before the draft, Glenn will run in the 5.25-5.3 second range...

Allen bench pressed 700 pounds, Glenn benches... well, I don't know what he benches, but here's betting he couldn't come within 100, perhaps 200 pounds of that number...

Allen played for a very small school in California, Glenn played for an SEC school...

OMG, they could be TWINS... :D

I'm a fan of Cordy Glenn, but he can't even dream of ever being as agile, as mobile as Larry Allen was...

well then you havent seen Glenn play OG and pull and see him block in open space.
I don't think 40 time means a damn thing to a OL, but I guess thats just me.
WHo knows about his bench press and what school he went to what does that have to do with the way the guy plays.
You can have your opinion but when I see a big big man at OG that can pull and is light on his feet, it just reminds me of another big big man that could od the same witrh ease, Larry Allen.

I guess some people just don't have the common sense to understand that when someone says a player reminds them of another player is different than saying a player is the next past player. I never ever said Glenn si the next Larry Allen or is the same as Larry Allen. Certain parts of his game reminds me of the way Larry Allen played.

[newlander]

I hear you, man... I mean, how could you NOT see the similarities??

Allen was 6-3, 325 pounds coming out of college, Glenn is 6-6, 350...

Allen run a sub-5 second 40 before the draft, Glenn will run in the 5.25-5.3 second range...

Allen bench pressed 700 pounds, Glenn benches... well, I don't know what he benches, but here's betting he couldn't come within 100, perhaps 200 pounds of that number...

Allen played for a very small school in California, Glenn played for an SEC school...

OMG, they could be TWINS... :D

I'm a fan of Cordy Glenn, but he can't even dream of ever being as agile, as mobile as Larry Allen was...






.......IS TRUE. Pretty sure some of the guys on here didn't see Larry Allen play and if they did.....they weren't paying real close attention. He was the best guard of our GENERATION.....and not a shabby tackle either. I have seen Glenn play: he's solid, but LARRY ALLEN? No sir......

[burmafrd]

well then you havent seen Glenn play OG and pull and see him block in open space.
I don't think 40 time means a damn thing to a OL, but I guess thats just me.
WHo knows about his bench press and what school he went to what does that have to do with the way the guy plays.
You can have your opinion but when I see a big big man at OG that can pull and is light on his feet, it just reminds me of another big big man that could od the same witrh ease, Larry Allen.

I guess some people just don't have the common sense to understand that when someone says a player reminds them of another player is different than saying a player is the next past player. I never ever said Glenn si the next Larry Allen or is the same as Larry Allen. Certain parts of his game reminds me of the way Larry Allen played.


I guess you just miss the obvious: when you compare one player to another you are saying they are relatively equal. Everyone else seems to see that except you. I say that say Eli Manning reminds me of Cutler, then you are saying they are pretty equal. Most people outside of yourself seem to understand that.

[MichaelWinicki]

I think Glenn is a decent prospect.

Just very unsure about him at #14, if DeCastro was taken.

Glenn seems to be in that "hole", between the Cowboy's first pick and second.

[Risen Star]

I really think the question becomes, do you want to sign an FA Guard or do you want to use #14 on a Guard? I don't think we do both?

But it doesn't come down to that. Because you don't know what will be there in the draft and only a foolish team drafts for need.

You add that G in FA. And then you add another G in the draft if that's the value.

What a crime it would be to add two big time pieces to such a glaring weakness like the offensive line.

[Risen Star]

I think Glenn is a decent prospect.

Just very unsure about him at #14, if DeCastro was taken.

Glenn seems to be in that "hole", between the Cowboy's first pick and second.

He's more than a decent prospect.

[RS12]

But it doesn't come down to that. Because you don't know what will be there in the draft and only a foolish team drafts for need.

You add that G in FA. And then you add another G in the draft if that's the value.

What a crime it would be to add two big time pieces to such a glaring weakness like the offensive line.

Dont know why so many here cant grasp this concept. Like not drafting shut down LT if BPA. Who cares what Free is making. Put your best 5 players out there per Hudson Houck.

[Risen Star]

Dont know why so many here cant grasp this concept. Like not drafting shut down LT if BPA. Who cares what Free is making. Put your best 5 players out there per Hudson Houck.

If you take what he said you have two scenarios and both are bad.

Sign a FA G and then rule out an OL early in the draft regardless of who is on the board.

Don't sign a FA G and count on one being there when we pick. Keep your fingers crossed, kids....because we're desperate.

The only right way to handle this, IMO, is to make a couple of OL signings in FA. That puts you in a position where if you don't find value there in the draft, it's not a critical issue. You've already addressed it. But if you do find value early, well now you have turned a great weakness into a strength and made the franchise QB and his weapons better.

[ABQCOWBOY]

But it doesn't come down to that. Because you don't know what will be there in the draft and only a foolish team drafts for need.

You add that G in FA. And then you add another G in the draft if that's the value.

What a crime it would be to add two big time pieces to such a glaring weakness like the offensive line.

In your opinion, it's a glaring need. I don't really see it that way. I think we need to add one Guard that can start immediately. However, what I think doesn't matter. What Jerry is thinking is the key and I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe he is going to take a Guard at 14 and sign a big time FA to play Guard. I just don't see it.

[ABQCOWBOY]

If you take what he said you have two scenarios and both are bad.

Sign a FA G and then rule out an OL early in the draft regardless of who is on the board.

Don't sign a FA G and count on one being there when we pick. Keep your fingers crossed, kids....because we're desperate.

The only right way to handle this, IMO, is to make a couple of OL signings in FA. That puts you in a position where if you don't find value there in the draft, it's not a critical issue. You've already addressed it. But if you do find value early, well now you have turned a great weakness into a strength and made the franchise QB and his weapons better.

You see it as a negative but that doesn't mean it is. That just means that this is your opinion.

It is entirely possible that this team already believes they have talent at Guard.

[Risen Star]

You see it as a negative but that doesn't mean it is. That just means that this is your opinion.

It is entirely possible that this team already believes they have talent at Guard.

Yes, it is my opinion that counting on the draft to address huge needs or bypassing higher rated prospects because of signings you made in FA is a bad way to build a team.

It's my opinion like it's my opinion that Tom Brady is a better QB than Rex Grossman.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes, it is my opinion that counting on the draft to address huge needs or bypassing higher rated prospects because of signings you made in FA is a bad way to build a team.

It's my opinion like it's my opinion that Tom Brady is a better QB than Rex Grossman.

You see, there is something that perhaps we can agree on after all. Your opinion on Brady and Grossman seem to be much more in sink. I'm glad we could find this common ground.

[jnday]

In your opinion, it's a glaring need. I don't really see it that way. I think we need to add one Guard that can start immediately. However, what I think doesn't matter. What Jerry is thinking is the key and I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe he is going to take a Guard at 14 and sign a big time FA to play Guard. I just don't see it.

You have a good point . Jerry has undervalued the line for years . His is the only opinion that matters and I wouldn't be surprised if he continued his line of thinking . After all , just look at the fine lines that he has put on the field the last few years . These jag free agents and late round draft picks are really paying off . This is a great year for guards in the draft . Dallas could use two early picks and be set for years but I'm sure he thinks the scrubs that they have now are going to be just fine . Why would he waste the 14th pick on the best guard prospect in the last 10 years ? :cool:

[silverbear]

well then you havent seen Glenn play OG and pull and see him block in open space.

Chuckle... so,, every big offensive lineman who can run a little-- and compared to Larry, Cordy can only run a little-- is another Larry Allen, eh??

So much for your credibility... but hey, you're welcome to get back to me when you see Glenn run down a player as fast as Darrell Green the way Allen did...

Allen was big, Glenn is huge... Glenn can run a little, Allen could run like no offensive lineman over310 pounds I ever saw... Glenn is strong, Allen was superhuman strong...

I don't think 40 time means a damn thing to a OL, but I guess thats just me.

You just bragged about how well Glenn can run, now you're trying to suggest that running is not important...

OK, I know you're really trying to say that the 40 time is not a big one for an offensive lineman... to that, I have two responses-- when one man is roughly .3 seconds faster than another man is in that distance, that man runs better, period... second, if you were to compare the agility numbers of both men in the 10 and 20 yard splits, the 3 cone drills and the like, you can bet that Larry would have the superior numbers down the line (but all I have access to are their 40 times)...

You can have your opinion but when I see a big big man at OG that can pull and is light on his feet, it just reminds me of another big big man that could od the same witrh ease, Larry Allen.

And I say that unless that "big man at OG" puts up EXTRAORDINARY numbers, and is VERY light on his feet, any comparison to arguably the greatest offensive lineman to play the game are asinine...

Certain parts of his game reminds me of the way Larry Allen played.

I'm guessing you were no older than 12 when Larry was in his prime... until and unless you can show me defensive linemen who faked injuries before preseason games against the Cowboys so they wouldn't have to face Allen, your comparison is ridiculous; Larry Allen was the most dominating, intimidating lineman of his time... Glenn is good, but he doesn't intimidate the way Larry did...

IOW, if you're gonna find a player who you think merits comparison to Larry Allen, you have to be able to demonstrate not that he's agile (Glenn is), but that he's freakishly agile (he isn't)... you have to show not that he's strong (he is), but that he's superhuman strong (I've seen no indication that's the case)...

Cordy Glenn wouldn't make a pimple on Larry Allen's butt... now, I've been advocating strongly for Cordy for some weeks now, but a Larry Allen, he isn't... even using your standards for comparing players, standards which are silly to begin with, the only player I recall in recent drafts who MIGHT rate such a comparison was Mike Iupati...

[silverbear]

.......IS TRUE. Pretty sure some of the guys on here didn't see Larry Allen play and if they did.....they weren't paying real close attention. He was the best guard of our GENERATION.....and not a shabby tackle either. I have seen Glenn play: he's solid, but LARRY ALLEN? No sir......

That's my point, in fewer words than I'd use... LOL...

I would suggest that you could go a bit further than saying he was the best guard of our generation, I honestly believe he might have been the best guard to ever play the game...

[burmafrd]

Chuckle... so,, every big offensive lineman who can run a little-- and compared to Larry, Cordy can only run a little-- is another Larry Allen, eh??

So much for your credibility... but hey, you're welcome to get back to me when you see Glenn run down a player as fast as Darrell Green the way Allen did...

Allen was big, Glenn is huge... Glenn can run a little, Allen could run like no offensive lineman over310 pounds I ever saw... Glenn is strong, Allen was superhuman strong...



You just bragged about how well Glenn can run, now you're trying to suggest that running is not important...

OK, I know you're really trying to say that the 40 time is not a big one for an offensive lineman... to that, I have two responses-- when one man is roughly .3 seconds faster than another man is in that distance, that man runs better, period... second, if you were to compare the agility numbers of both men in the 10 and 20 yard splits, the 3 cone drills and the like, you can bet that Larry would have the superior numbers down the line (but all I have access to are their 40 times)...



And I say that unless that "big man at OG" puts up EXTRAORDINARY numbers, and is VERY light on his feet, any comparison to arguably the greatest offensive lineman to play the game are asinine...



I'm guessing you were no older than 12 when Larry was in his prime... until and unless you can show me defensive linemen who faked injuries before preseason games against the Cowboys so they wouldn't have to face Allen, your comparison is ridiculous; Larry Allen was the most dominating, intimidating lineman of his time... Glenn is good, but he doesn't intimidate the way Larry did...

IOW, if you're gonna find a player who you think merits comparison to Larry Allen, you have to be able to demonstrate not that he's agile (Glenn is), but that he's freakishly agile (he isn't)... you have to show not that he's strong (he is), but that he's superhuman strong (I've seen no indication that's the case)...

Cordy Glenn wouldn't make a pimple on Larry Allen's butt... now, I've been advocating strongly for Cordy for some weeks now, but a Larry Allen, he isn't... even using your standards for comparing players, standards which are silly to begin with, the only player I recall in recent drafts who MIGHT rate such a comparison was Mike Iupati...

well said. I just do not have the patience anymore to reply to absurd comparisons like I used to.

Those Boys fans that only saw LA in his last years here saw only the shell of the player that scared opposing linemen so much that they would ask their teams to put them on the injury list the prior week so when LA just owned them they could claim they were injured. Cordy glenn is not in the same GALAXY as that Larry Allen.

[ABQCOWBOY]

You have a good point . Jerry has undervalued the line for years . His is the only opinion that matters and I wouldn't be surprised if he continued his line of thinking . After all , just look at the fine lines that he has put on the field the last few years . These jag free agents and late round draft picks are really paying off . This is a great year for guards in the draft . Dallas could use two early picks and be set for years but I'm sure he thinks the scrubs that they have now are going to be just fine . Why would he waste the 14th pick on the best guard prospect in the last 10 years ? :cool:

Show me any evaluation that says DeCastro is the best prospect in 10 years. I hear this a lot but I have never seen it actually stated by anybody in print. It well be true but it would be nice to see this opinion confirmed by somebody who evaluates NFL talent.

I believe we do need another starting Guard but I don't believe we can afford to both draft one at 14 and sign a top FA. I don't know what the Cowboys are thinking but I have not seen anything that would lead me to believe this is what our intentions might be. You said it yourself, just as I have been saying for some time. This is a very deep draft for Guards. I could see us signing an FA and then taking a Guard later in the draft. I guess we will see what happens.

[jterrell]

I really think the question becomes, do you want to sign an FA Guard or do you want to use #14 on a Guard? I don't think we do both?

What provides more bang for the Buck?

Option A - Decastro at 14

Option B - Sign an FA Guard and take another need player at 14 and draft another Guard later in the draft?

Or you do neither. You bring in Nagy, Dockery, Holland, Arkin, Kosier, Kowalski and Costa and then find the best 3 to start all at a price that fits interior line.

You only have so many resources and some positions like Cb require more of them.

If we sign an OG I suspect it will be a much lower tiered guy than Nicks and will be to replace Kosier as the proven guy on the interior OL. I do not see us drafting an OG at 14 because that is not our history and would be the highest anyone has drafted a guard in a decade.

[Risen Star]

Or you do neither. You bring in Nagy, Dockery, Holland, Arkin, Kosier, Kowalski and Costa and then find the best 3 to start all at a price that fits interior line.

What a disaster that would be. No offense, but in a plethora of offseason plans posted on this board, many of them ridiculous, this is the worst idea of all of them.

[burmafrd]

What a disaster that would be. No offense, but in a plethora of offseason plans posted on this board, many of them ridiculous, this is the worst idea of all of them.

best 3 out of 6 scrubs. What a plan.

[burmafrd]

http://nflsfuture.com/2012/01/03/2012-nfl-draft-fiesta-bowl-recap/#more-4997

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012OG.php

http://nfldraftseason.com/2012-nfl-draft-player-rankings/2012-nfl-draft-guard-rankings/

http://draftcountdown.com/blog/NFL-Draft-Blog.php


fair number of sites saying how good Decastro is


And this is what Gil said recently
"This kid reminds me of Vikings All-Pro guard Chad Hutchinson"

[jterrell]

What a disaster that would be. No offense, but in a plethora of offseason plans posted on this board, many of them ridiculous, this is the worst idea of all of them.

There is a decade of football disagreeing with you.

You do not generally succeed committing premium resources (high draft picks or large dollars) to interior OL. Not in this pass happy skill-starved age.

Interior OL are the least valued positions on the field amongst the starting 22.

But we shall see.

[MichaelWinicki]

There is a decade of football disagreeing with you.

You do not generally succeed committing premium resources (high draft picks or large dollars) to interior OL. Not in this pass happy skill-starved age.

Interior OL are the least valued positions on the field amongst the starting 22.

But we shall see.

I know what you're saying JT.

I think the Cowboys will sign a FA guard or draft one very early on, but won't do both.

I don't think they're going to write off Arkin, Nagy, Costa, Kowalski that quickly. One of those players will probably be a starting guard this season.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Or you do neither. You bring in Nagy, Dockery, Holland, Arkin, Kosier, Kowalski and Costa and then find the best 3 to start all at a price that fits interior line.

You only have so many resources and some positions like Cb require more of them.

If we sign an OG I suspect it will be a much lower tiered guy than Nicks and will be to replace Kosier as the proven guy on the interior OL. I do not see us drafting an OG at 14 because that is not our history and would be the highest anyone has drafted a guard in a decade.

Your right JT. That could happen. That's not what I would like to see happen but it is certainly a possibility.

I do believe that the staff feels as if we have some young talent at Guard. Now, obviously, our new OL Coach might think differently but I suspect that he was brought in to develop the talent the club has as oppose to telling us what Guard we should be drafting at 14. JMO. A guy like Nicks, I could see. I don't say it's probably but if we were going to spend big money on a Guard in FA, I think it would be a player like Nicks. A young talented guy who could be a Pro Bowl type player to lock down a position for several years.

I recall when Kosier was signed. Not very many people liked that signing. He turned out to be excellent value. I can see us trying to do something similar. I see us signing an FA to start, I see us drafting another young Guard in the draft (not in the 1st round), I see us allowing Kosier, Holland and Dockery to compete for a starting job, I see us continuing to develop our young talent until such time as they can step in and start. I think that's the long term goal for this team. JMO of course.

[burmafrd]

There is a decade of football disagreeing with you.

You do not generally succeed committing premium resources (high draft picks or large dollars) to interior OL. Not in this pass happy skill-starved age.

Interior OL are the least valued positions on the field amongst the starting 22.

But we shall see.

actually that decade has changed in the last 5 drafts. More Interior prospects were taken in the first rd then in the first 5. Double the number. SMART teams are realizing that the interior of the O line is quite worthy of significant resources. Just look at what teams are doing it. The smarter teams.
We learned the hard way this year what happens when you have scrubs in the interior of the O line. Or I should say ROMO learned. Wonder if Jerruh did?

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't really think that the approach (1st Round) has changed all that much in the last 5 years. If you look at it historically, in the last 5 years, 5 OGs were taken in the 1st round from 2007 to 2011.

Between 2001 to 2006, 4 OG were taken in the 1st round. Between 1996 and 2000, 6 OG were taken in the 1st round. Between 1995 and 1986, a period of 10 years, only 5 OG were taken in the 1st round. However, between 1985 and 1976, also a period of 10 years, 14 OG were taken in the 1st round. From 1971 to 1975, 6 OG were drafted in the first round.

If you look at the last 40 years, on average, 40 OGs have been drafted in the 1st round. However, the interesting thing about this is, with the exception of the period between 95 and 86, the trend seems to indicate that drafting OGs in the 1st round have actually decreased and not increased of late. The trend would seem to indicate that JT is correct and that teams are not putting as much value into Guard as they have in the past.

[jnday]

In your opinion, it's a glaring need. I don't really see it that way. I think we need to add one Guard that can start immediately. However, what I think doesn't matter. What Jerry is thinking is the key and I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe he is going to take a Guard at 14 and sign a big time FA to play Guard. I just don't see it.

There is a decade of football disagreeing with you.

You do not generally succeed committing premium resources (high draft picks or large dollars) to interior OL. Not in this pass happy skill-starved age.

Interior OL are the least valued positions on the field amongst the starting 22.

But we shall see.

Take a look at the 49ers investment in the line , and then tell me that spending the resources on the line is not worth it .

[dboy214]

Or you do neither. You bring in Nagy, Dockery, Holland, Arkin, Kosier, Kowalski and Costa and then find the best 3 to start all at a price that fits interior line.


RIP Romo in 2012 if they go this route.

[dboy214]

best 3 out of 6 scrubs. What a plan.
:laugh2:i've been liking your posting more and more lately.

[jnday]

Show me any evaluation that says DeCastro is the best prospect in 10 years. I hear this a lot but I have never seen it actually stated by anybody in print. It well be true but it would be nice to see this opinion confirmed by somebody who evaluates NFL talent.

I believe we do need another starting Guard but I don't believe we can afford to both draft one at 14 and sign a top FA. I don't know what the Cowboys are thinking but I have not seen anything that would lead me to believe this is what our intentions might be. You said it yourself, just as I have been saying for some time. This is a very deep draft for Guards. I could see us signing an FA and then taking a Guard later in the draft. I guess we will see what happens.

I see Burm has beat me to the DeCastro list , but nowhere in my post did I mention the name DeCastro . I was pointing out that undervaluing the line is what has gotten us in to this mess . The Cowboys and many fans still look at the line position like it was twenty years ago. The thought that you can always draft linemen later is outdated . How has the Cowboys'approach worked these last few years ? Not so good . Other teams are investing with quality picks and Dallas depends on washed up veterans and late round draft picks along with undrafted scrubs. I thought that after the sucess of Tyron that maybe people would wake up . That is not the case .
I don't want Nick at the price that it will take either . Dallas is getting out of salary cap hell , so they shouldn't get back in it . I would rather spend a couple of high picks on the line and spend the rest of the picks and salary cap money on defense .

[ABQCOWBOY]

Take a look at the 49ers investment in the line , and then tell me that spending the resources on the line is not worth it .

I did take a look. I also took a look at New England, Baltimore and the GMen.

Here is what it shows:

Baltimore has Yanda 3rd Round Pick and Gurade FA starting.
San Fran has Rachel 2nd Round Pick and Iupati 1st round pick starting.
New England has Mankin 1st Round Pick and Waters is an FA.
Giants have Snee 2nd Round Pick and Diehl, a 5th Round Pick.

What's even more interesting is that if you look at the entire OL of all these teams, The Ravens have 3 FAs and one 3rd round pick and one 1st round pick they drafted. The Pats have 2 FAs, one undrafted, 2 1st Rd Picks of their own and 1 2nd round pick. The Giants have 2 FAs and 2 2nd round picks and a 5th Round pick of their own. No 1st round picks at all. The 49ers have 3 1st round picks, 1 2nd round pick and 1 5th round pick, all their own picks, no FAs. However, Baas from NY came from San Francisco as an FA and they let him go rather then resign him and he was their starter. They will have Chilo Rachal as an Unrestricted FA this year. It will be interesting to see what they do with him.

As I look at these teams, they seem to draft all over the place. The one thing that seems to be consistent is that the sign FAs on the OL.

I like what San Francisco has done these past few years but I would stop short of saying that they have done it the right way. Lets see what the cap dictates to them in these upcoming years and then we will know if they spent their 1st round picks wisely or not. I would rather see 1st round picks stick with the club as opposed to be somebody else's good players. JMO.

[ABQcowboyJR]

I see Burm has beat me to the DeCastro list , but nowhere in my post did I mention the name DeCastro . I was pointing out that undervaluing the line is what has gotten us in to this mess . The Cowboys and many fans still look at the line position like it was twenty years ago. The thought that you can always draft linemen later is outdated . How has the Cowboys'approach worked these last few years ? Not so good . Other teams are investing with quality picks and Dallas depends on washed up veterans and late round draft picks along with undrafted scrubs. I thought that after the sucess of Tyron that maybe people would wake up . That is not the case .
I don't want Nick at the price that it will take either . Dallas is getting out of salary cap hell , so they shouldn't get back in it . I would rather spend a couple of high picks on the line and spend the rest of the picks and salary cap money on defense .
So just spend our fa money on d? What's the difference between that and spending it on oline with respect to the cap?

[jnday]

So just spend our fa money on d? What's the difference between that and spending it on oline with respect to the cap?

The rookie salary makes a big difference . Nicks is going to want to be the highest paid guard in the league . You can pay two top rookies for what he is going to want . I think the free agent market has some good defensive players that can be had at a reasonable deal . Other than Nicks , I don't see any other guard that I would want . I see more value with getting two or three solid defensive players rather than one guard .

[jterrell]

Take a look at the 49ers investment in the line , and then tell me that spending the resources on the line is not worth it .

Tell me which NFL team has a guard starting that was chosen at pick 14 or higher?

Since you can't here is a little help....

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/g


The last guard to be drafted 14th or higher was in 1997: Chris Naeole. Saints.
They made the playoffs 1 time from 1998 to 2008.

Iupati was drafted 17th. He was a guy we all liked around here as a Tackle prospect. If he was known as an OG only he probably get drafted later.
The 49ers have top 14 picks littering their roster because they were bad for a really long time and didnt trade out for RW11. Aldon Smith, Alex Smith, Mike Crabtree, Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, Anthony Davis. So yea, they can use pick 17 on an OG....


Dallas doesn't have a bunch of high picks. Top 10 overall??? We have TNew and Tyron Smith. Ok so extend it to 14th pick. We add Demarcus Ware who drafted 11th. That's it man.

So you want to the take the guy who is our 4th highest draftee on the roster and use that on an OG????

[ABQCOWBOY]

I see Burm has beat me to the DeCastro list , but nowhere in my post did I mention the name DeCastro . I was pointing out that undervaluing the line is what has gotten us in to this mess . The Cowboys and many fans still look at the line position like it was twenty years ago. The thought that you can always draft linemen later is outdated . How has the Cowboys'approach worked these last few years ? Not so good . Other teams are investing with quality picks and Dallas depends on washed up veterans and late round draft picks along with undrafted scrubs. I thought that after the sucess of Tyron that maybe people would wake up . That is not the case .
I don't want Nick at the price that it will take either . Dallas is getting out of salary cap hell , so they shouldn't get back in it . I would rather spend a couple of high picks on the line and spend the rest of the picks and salary cap money on defense .

That's true, you did not mention DeCastro but you did say this. "Why would he waste the 14th pick on the best guard prospect in the last 10 years ?"

If you are not referring to DeCastro here, to whom are you referring?

I don't really think it's fair to characterize the fan base as such. I think many of them recognize that we have not given the OL the attention it is due but as has been illustrated on this board, OL is not the only need we have and I am certainly not convinced that it is the biggest need at this point. Many, many OGs have been taken later, even recently, and have developed into quality NFL Lineman. I am not in favor of giving older players huge contracts and we did this with both Rivera and Bigg. However, we also signed Kosier and he was an excellent value. Rivera was a poor signing and Bigg did make 3 Pro Bowls in 4 years while he was here. Now, you can argue that perhaps he did not deserve them but that's a different argument. A guy like Nicks, who is clearly a Pro Bowl caliber talent, who is still young enough to play out a contract and probably get another is not a poor signing IMO. That's a good one. I am not opposed to drafting to build but I am not in favor of using our first to take a Guard this year, especially when there are several very good Guard prospects we can get later and especially when we have a chance to sign an FA who can help immediately.

Now, you can say that you may not get a Guard in FA and that's true but you can also say that you may not get DeCastro or that if you do get him, there is no guarantee he is going to be a Nicks. Unlike many, I do not share the opinion that our young OGs do not have the talent to be quality starters for us. The truth is that I don't know if they do or they don't as yet. However, I think you have to allow Callahan to make that evaluation and go from there. Either way, this is really not about what I want or what anybody else wants. My post was about what I believe the Cowboys will do. I don't think they will sign and FA and draft a Guard at 14. I am not sure they would sign a Guard at 14 regardless of what happens in FA. I just don't see a lot of indicators that support that.

[ABQCOWBOY]

The rookie salary makes a big difference . Nicks is going to want to be the highest paid guard in the league . You can pay two top rookies for what he is going to want . I think the free agent market has some good defensive players that can be had at a reasonable deal . Other than Nicks , I don't see any other guard that I would want . I see more value with getting two or three solid defensive players rather than one guard .

If you don't use FA money on a Guard, then I think it's reasonable to assume that FA money will be used on a 34 OL, which there are not a lot of options on, or a starting CB. Either of those positions are going to be more expensive then will a Guard on FA. The idea that it will cost us more is, IMO, not supported by historical fact.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Iupati was pegged as a guard from day 1...nobody here or anywhere else thought otherwise..

Outside of that, I don't have any qualms

[ABQCOWBOY]

Iupati was pegged as a guard from day 1...nobody here or anywhere else thought otherwise..

Outside of that, I don't have any qualms

I don't agree with this. There was a lot of talk that he might be able to play ROT. I do agree that his natural position amoung most scouts in the NFL was OG but I do remember talk of OT as well.

[jterrell]

That's true, you did not mention DeCastro but you did say this. "Why would he waste the 14th pick on the best guard prospect in the last 10 years ?"

If you are not referring to DeCastro here, to whom are you referring?

I don't really think it's fair to characterize the fan base as such. I think many of them recognize that we have not given the OL the attention it is due but as has been illustrated on this board, OL is not the only need we have and I am certainly not convinced that it is the biggest need at this point. Many, many OGs have been taken later, even recently, and have developed into quality NFL Lineman. I am not in favor of giving older players huge contracts and we did this with both Rivera and Bigg. However, we also signed Kosier and he was an excellent value. Rivera was a poor signing and Bigg did make 3 Pro Bowls in 4 years while he was here. Now, you can argue that perhaps he did not deserve them but that's a different argument. A guy like Nicks, who is clearly a Pro Bowl caliber talent, who is still young enough to play out a contract and probably get another is not a poor signing IMO. That's a good one. I am not opposed to drafting to build but I am not in favor of using our first to take a Guard this year, especially when there are several very good Guard prospects we can get later and especially when we have a chance to sign an FA who can help immediately.

Now, you can say that you may not get a Guard in FA and that's true but you can also say that you may not get DeCastro or that if you do get him, there is no guarantee he is going to be a Nicks. Unlike many, I do not share the opinion that our young OGs do not have the talent to be quality starters for us. The truth is that I don't know if they do or they don't as yet. However, I think you have to allow Callahan to make that evaluation and go from there. Either way, this is really not about what I want or what anybody else wants. My post was about what I believe the Cowboys will do. I don't think they will sign and FA and draft a Guard at 14. I am not sure they would sign a Guard at 14 regardless of what happens in FA. I just don't see a lot of indicators that support that.

The Cowboys have always given the OL lots of attention... just not high in the draft.
They had very highly paid OL for most of the last decade with Flo, Gurode, Bigg. We signed Kosier to a 5 mil per year deal to go with that costly veteran line.

Last year we said enough and went young. But we spent our top pick at OT, signed our LT to 8 mil per and then used a couple more draft picks on the OL. And signed two veteran free agents on the cheap.

Dallas will have to add some OG help but it doesn't have to be highly prized or cost pick 14. They still have a 4th round pick from last year and a rookie who broke camp as the start on the roster.

We absolutely needed to draft some OL last year. But we did. Now we have to see if they can play. Especially before we pay someone else 8 mil per to do so.

[GloryDaysRBack]

I don't agree with this. There was a lot of talk that he might be able to play ROT. I do agree that his natural position amoung most scouts in the NFL was OG but I do remember talk of OT as well.

Nobody here had any interest in him playing RT..we didn't need a RT, Colombo was fine..we needed a guard

[jterrell]

Iupati was pegged as a guard from day 1...nobody here or anywhere else thought otherwise..

Outside of that, I don't have any qualms

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-02-25-mike-iupati_N.htm

[jterrell]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-02-25-mike-iupati_N.htm

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Iupati-rising-up-the-draft-charts.html

Another talking about him playing LEFT Tackle in the Senior Bowl practices and how that raised his value.

[jterrell]

Nobody here had any interest in him playing RT..we didn't need a RT, Colombo was fine..we needed a guard

Please stop posting dumb stuff....

We did like Iupati who was gone BEFORE we drafted but we also needed a guy who could play OT later on. In case you didn't catch it we have lost both Flo and Columbo since then.

The versatility to play some OT gave him far more value than a plain OG prospect.

[ABQCOWBOY]

The Cowboys have always given the OL lots of attention... just not high in the draft.
They had very highly paid OL for most of the last decade with Flo, Gurode, Bigg. We signed Kosier to a 5 mil per year deal to go with that costly veteran line.

Last year we said enough and went young. But we spent our top pick at OT, signed our LT to 8 mil per and then used a couple more draft picks on the OL. And signed two veteran free agents on the cheap.

Dallas will have to add some OG help but it doesn't have to be highly prized or cost pick 14. They still have a 4th round pick from last year and a rookie who broke camp as the start on the roster.

We absolutely needed to draft some OL last year. But we did. Now we have to see if they can play. Especially before we pay someone else 8 mil per to do so.

I agree. We are not nearly good enough to simply throw away our young OL prospects from last years draft. We have to find success in at least one of those guys IMO.

I would love the team to consider a prospect like Silatolu . A lot of people don't like this option because he is a D2 player but I really like a lot of what I have read on this guy. Really, any good prospect that can be developed would be OK with me. I just like this guy is all and he would be a guy who would not cost us a 1st round pick. Really, this a great year for Guard prospects.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Nobody here had any interest in him playing RT..we didn't need a RT, Colombo was fine..we needed a guard

OK. Your story, you tell it.

[burmafrd]

The Cowboys have always given the OL lots of attention... just not high in the draft.
They had very highly paid OL for most of the last decade with Flo, Gurode, Bigg. We signed Kosier to a 5 mil per year deal to go with that costly veteran line.

Last year we said enough and went young. But we spent our top pick at OT, signed our LT to 8 mil per and then used a couple more draft picks on the OL. And signed two veteran free agents on the cheap.

Dallas will have to add some OG help but it doesn't have to be highly prized or cost pick 14. They still have a 4th round pick from last year and a rookie who broke camp as the start on the roster.

We absolutely needed to draft some OL last year. But we did. Now we have to see if they can play. Especially before we pay someone else 8 mil per to do so.

that sounds nice but does not address the fact that without a serious improvement in the O line Romo does not make it through another season.
Not to mention our lousy short yardage run game. Jerruh went cheap this season and Romo paid the price. I am amazed he did not end up the year on IR. We cannot afford to play around anymore; Killer MIGHT make a good center; Arkin MIGHT make a good Guard. But we need a real good one RIGHT now to really strengthen the O line and preserve Romo. Our screw ups and refusal to use HIGH draft choices on O line have put us in that position. We cannot wait any longer.

All those picks that we have used the last 6 years. Of the picks 3rd and lower exactly ONE so far has proven out- Free. One definition of insanity is to keep doing the same thing over and over again and expect different results.

[burmafrd]

I agree. We are not nearly good enough to simply throw away our young OL prospects from last years draft. We have to find success in at least one of those guys IMO.

I would love the team to consider a prospect like Silatolu . A lot of people don't like this option because he is a D2 player but I really like a lot of what I have read on this guy. Really, any good prospect that can be developed would be OK with me. I just like this guy is all and he would be a guy who would not cost us a 1st round pick. Really, this a great year for Guard prospects.

what are we throwing away? We can keep Nagy, Arkin and Killer; while still drafting or getting in FA real talent. Problem is we need results RIGHT now or Romo ends up on IR soon.

[ABQCOWBOY]

what are we throwing away? We can keep Nagy, Arkin and Killer; while still drafting or getting in FA real talent. Problem is we need results RIGHT now or Romo ends up on IR soon.

Which is why I advocate picking up a good FA to start at Guard. If we both draft a Guard at 1 and sign an FA, then we are pretty much throwing away the guys we drafted last year. They will not get the chance to be starters. At best, they will be reserves. Don't get me wrong, we need depth also but we really aren't even giving them a chance to develop if we go the expensive route, IMO.

[jnday]

I am all for taking DeCastro at 14 if he is there . I have no problem with taking the best guard prospect in 10 years and I'm not ashamed of it . I may be wrong but the one undisputed fact that I am right about , is the way the oline has been approached , has not worked .
I would like to see DeCastro at 14 and go with someone like Curry in the second . We could go with Ingram in the first and then try to work out a deal to draft Glenn. I wouldn't have a problem using two of the first three picks on the line .
As for free agency , I am not for spending 8 or 9 million a year on a free agent guard . You could get a couple of decent DBs with that kind of money .
The issue of OLB may not be an issue if Spencer is resigned . Even if he is resigned , I would consider Curry or a similar player .
This whole oline mess was created by poor drafting and poor player development . Romo does not have the time left in his career to wait to see if any of these scrubs actually start and play at a high level . This just happens to be the situation that this team is in . They can not address the oline with quality players and see how many wins they get without Romo .

[ABQCOWBOY]

I am all for taking DeCastro at 14 if he is there . I have no problem with taking the best guard prospect in 10 years and I'm not ashamed of it . I may be wrong but the one undisputed fact that I am right about , is the way the oline has been approached , has not worked .
I would like to see DeCastro at 14 and go with someone like Curry in the second . We could go with Ingram in the first and then try to work out a deal to draft Glenn. I wouldn't have a problem using two of the first three picks on the line .
As for free agency , I am not for spending 8 or 9 million a year on a free agent guard . You could get a couple of decent DBs with that kind of money .
The issue of OLB may not be an issue if Spencer is resigned . Even if he is resigned , I would consider Curry or a similar player .
This whole oline mess was created by poor drafting and poor player development . Romo does not have the time left in his career to wait to see if any of these scrubs actually start and play at a high level . This just happens to be the situation that this team is in . They can not address the oline with quality players and see how many wins they get without Romo .

Where is this best Guard in 10 years coming from? I have asked this before and you referred me to the draft sites we have posted in this forum but I looked at them and I saw nothing that confirmed this. Honest question, who is grading him out as the the best Guard in 10 years?


Who are the DBs that you could get for 8 or 9 million combined?

[GloryDaysRBack]

Yeah! The 49ers really intended to draft Iupati to play OT..they drafted Staley prior and Davis in the same class..that's exactly why Iupati went so high, SF intended on him playing OT...lmao..

[burmafrd]

Where is this best Guard in 10 years coming from? I have asked this before and you referred me to the draft sites we have posted in this forum but I looked at them and I saw nothing that confirmed this. Honest question, who is grading him out as the the best Guard in 10 years?


Who are the DBs that you could get for 8 or 9 million combined?


a whole lot more people then what support your claims he is not. You can whine and cry all you want but the bottom line is that you are wrong. IF your ego can take the beating, so a little research yourself.

[jnday]

Where is this best Guard in 10 years coming from? I have asked this before and you referred me to the draft sites we have posted in this forum but I looked at them and I saw nothing that confirmed this. Honest question, who is grading him out as the the best Guard in 10 years?


Who are the DBs that you could get for 8 or 9 million combined?

Bunting is one that has spoke of DeCastro in those terms . I have a feeling that it wouldn't change your opinion if you knew for a fact that he would be a 10 year all-pro selection . I don't know what your answer to solving the oline problem would be . I think I just place a higher value on the position than you . I am tired of serviceable being the standard .
As for the subject of free agents , there has been two or three list posted recently . With Scandrick getting paid starter money , Dallas will be shopping for mid-tier free agents IMO.
I agree with you on one major point . I don't see Dallas spending the resources to fix the oline . That would actually make too much sense .

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah! The 49ers really intended to draft Iupati to play OT..they drafted Staley prior and Davis in the same class..that's exactly why Iupati went so high, SF intended on him playing OT...lmao..


In all seriousness, the 49ers were not certain about Staley in 2010. Staley had not shown exceptionally well in his first two seasons and in 2009 and 2010, he dealt with injury problems that forced him to miss 12 games. I would not say the 49ers were ready to give up on him but they did have some questions as to if he could play LT for them. In 2010, the 49ers drafted both Iupati and Davis. It is not far fetched for the 49ers to have considered Iupati as an option at OT if Staley had not come around or if Davis had not worked out. Fortunately for them, and in no small part to the presence of a new Coaching Staff, Staley came around and Davis turned out to be a good player. That left Iupati as an exceptional talent at Guard.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Bunting is one that has spoke of DeCastro in those terms . I have a feeling that it wouldn't change your opinion if you knew for a fact that he would be a 10 year all-pro selection . I don't know what your answer to solving the oline problem would be . I think I just place a higher value on the position than you . I am tired of serviceable being the standard .
As for the subject of free agents , there has been two or three list posted recently . With Scandrick getting paid starter money , Dallas will be shopping for mid-tier free agents IMO.
I agree with you on one major point . I don't see Dallas spending the resources to fix the oline . That would actually make too much sense .

I guess I missed the article from Bunting.

I think it's crazy to call somebody the best anything before he has had an opportunity to go to the combine but lets say, just for the sake of discussion that he does grade out that well. I would not take him at 14 because I am much more in favor of landing help via FA. Now, I acknowledge the fact that we have made some questionable calls in FA but if we can believe what many say about Callahan, then we have one of the top OL Coaches in the NFL with Cowboys now. I have to trust that he will evaluate the talent better then what we have seen in the recent past. I can't believe that we would sign another Rivera per say. I am actually more worried about the Center position then I am the Guard position at this point.

My idea on how to fix the OL is simple. Sign a good FA Guard. Use what we have now in Kosier, Holland and Dockery to battle for the starting position at the other Guard spot. We know that Kosier can do it if he can stay healthy but that has proven to be problematic at this stage of his career. Same with Holland. He has not played poorly this year, when healthy. Again, it's an issue to keep him healthy. He needs to come to camp in better shape then even last year. Dockery, we don't really know what we have there. He didn't really play this year. Between the three of those guys, I would like to see one of them win the job. The winner gets extended the rest go home. Keep the one who wins that battle on hand until one of the younger guys improves enough to become the starter. Once that occurs, replace Kosier/Holland/Dockery with the younger player and allow youth to take it's natural course. Draft a player at Guard this year (maybe in the 3rd) and develop him as well. We have two good young Tackles. If we sign a good prospect at Guard, I think that simply leaves Center to be solidified. That is what I would like to see happen this year.

If we were in a position to have more then just a single CB on the team who I felt was worthy of starting and if we had another strong pass rusher, I would absolutely embrace the idea of taking more OL high. We aren't and I just do not believe we can afford to invest a 1st round pick on a guard. I would be skeptical of doing this in the 1st round at any point, that's true. I would feel better if it were a high 20 or 30 pick of the 1st round but yeah, I would rather see us use 2nd round and lower picks for Guards because too many of them prove to be successful in the lower rounds. JMO.

[28 Joker]

If Cordy Glenn has a first round grade, he should at least be in the mix at 14. The players are probably going to start blending together at some point, anyway. I'd say the Cowboys are most likely stuck at 14, too.

The Cowboys are no where near good enough in the offensive line (including players like Arkin, Nagy, and Costa) to just ignore a talent like Cordy Glenn. They really have three holes inside if you count Costa. They have two big holes at guard, imo.

[Zaxor]

I see Burm has beat me to the DeCastro list , but nowhere in my post did I mention the name DeCastro . I was pointing out that undervaluing the line is what has gotten us in to this mess . The Cowboys and many fans still look at the line position like it was twenty years ago. The thought that you can always draft linemen later is outdated . How has the Cowboys'approach worked these last few years ? Not so good . Other teams are investing with quality picks and Dallas depends on washed up veterans and late round draft picks along with undrafted scrubs. I thought that after the sucess of Tyron that maybe people would wake up . That is not the case .
I don't want Nick at the price that it will take either . Dallas is getting out of salary cap hell , so they shouldn't get back in it . I would rather spend a couple of high picks on the line and spend the rest of the picks and salary cap money on defense .

according to an article on blogging the boys http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012/1/27/2751848/nfl-draft-by-numbers-when-will-top-players-go-at-each-position the average position for taking the best guard in the draft is with the 27th pick of the first rnd and center sometime in the 2nd rnd.

[ABQcowboyJR]

a whole lot more people then what support your claims he is not. You can whine and cry all you want but the bottom line is that you are wrong. IF your ego can take the beating, so a little research yourself.

Show me the research that supports it. I've looked and have not found credible verification of this. LOL all these "your wrong" statements before the combine. Ridiculous

[Avery]

I really wish Arkin would pan out, but I fear it's another pick in the Jacob Rogers/Peterman/Brewster mold.

[johnnyd]

I really wish Arkin would pan out, but I fear it's another pick in the Jacob Rogers/Peterman/Brewster mold.

im not giving up on him just yet ..everyone knew he was a redshirt pick and we just havent heard much about him sans the pontification from the board experts that assume no news is bad news.. all it would take is one good OTA for him to garner some buzz and all the people will be penciling him in as a starter faster than a JJ lipsmack:D

[Randy White]

There is a decade of football disagreeing with you. You do not generally succeed committing premium resources (high draft picks or large dollars) to interior OL. Not in this pass happy skill-starved age. Interior OL are the least valued positions on the field amongst the starting 22But we shall see.

I disagree wholeheartedly.

Now more than ever and exactly because of this pass happy skill-starved age, the interior of the line has become that important. The fastest route to the QB is up the middle, like the Cowboys' O-line has proven over the past 2 seasons. Going on memory alone, I'd venture a good guess that 3/4th of the sacks and pressure that TR suffered over that time came right up the middle.

Guard Mike Iupati was the 17th player taken in the 2010 draft, Center Maurkice Pouncey was the 18th, his brother Mike Pouncey was the 15th player taken in the 2011 draft, center Alex Mack was the 21st in 2009, Guard Branden Albert was the 15th in 2008.. etc..etc

With protecting the QB position becoming THE top priority for teams, this trend is going to be increasing, in my opinion. I wouldn't be shocked when guards and centers start sneaking into the top 10 in the near future.

[Randy White]

look who's starting at the left tackle position for the South in the Senior Bowl game and doing a pretty solid job so far.

If Glenn can sustain this level of play at LT on the next level, he's going to become a dominant force at the guard position and, as I said earlier, the coaches would not lose a wink of sleep if he has to play LT.

[Tobal]

Here is what I keep thinking, if we are going with a guard at 14, he needs to be Larry Allen, or A rock solid guard that can either slide to center or RT if we lose a player to injury. I want more than just a damn good gaurd at 14.... I'm greedy

[MichaelWinicki]

Here is what I keep thinking, if we are going with a guard at 14, he needs to be Larry Allen, or A rock solid guard that can either slide to center or RT if we lose a player to injury. I want more than just a damn good gaurd at 14.... I'm greedy

I agree with that. That thought has been in the back of my mind, thinking ahead to next season and if Parnell is still the 3rd OT.

DeCastro is big enough to play RT at 6'5", 310lbs.

[Randy White]

Here is what I keep thinking, if we are going with a guard at 14, he needs to be Larry Allen, or A rock solid guard that can either slide to center or RT if we lose a player to injury. I want more than just a damn good gaurd at 14.... I'm greedy

I understand that, but Larry Allen himself was a 2nd round pick and really a gamble because I don't think many people knew that Sonoma St even existed, much less had a football team.

Instead of shooting for the moon ( Larry Allen ) with a sling shot, I'd just start with a guy who has the potential to not allow much pressure up the middle and provides solid to good run blocking and then go from there.

[Tobal]

I agree Randy, but here is what I'm saying if you have Decastro as all-pro for 10 yrs then ok take him..... but if you feel he's borderline all pro and Glenn is border line all pro maybe just a little behind Decastro then what I'm say is take Glenn if he can play tackle. I'm not saying Decastro can't it just hasn't been talked about.

Now maybe Parnell is really good and you feel he can play right tackle if you needed for a 10 game stretch if you have that guy on your teem then fine.
We haven't seen him play so we can only speculate how they feel about him.

I still think the biggest need on the Oline is center, I think a solid center is a must. It will help both guards and Romo. Now you have Killer and Costa so you've got a backup but does anyone feel these guys are starters?

Nagy, Arkin, Killer and Costa compete for starting RG, put Holland at LG, sign a center or draft one. Now if you can sign a OG at a decent price go for it, and let Holland compete with the kids, but I want a better center.

[Randy White]

if it's a choice between Glenn and DeCastro at #14, I'm going with DeCastro. The reason for that is because DeCastro is, right now, almost a no brainer. So is Glenn, but DeCastro is better.

Now, if I'm looking for versatility AND if I'm able to turn DeCastro into an extra 2nd round pick, then I'd go with Glenn. If DeCastro is gone, I'd have no problems if Glenn is the guy.

I agree with you about the C position. The kid from Ohio St ( Mike Brewster ? ) really did a good job today and he's big. I just don't know where he'll end up going.

[Tobal]

1. Peter Konz, OC, Wisconsin (Scouting Report (http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2011/10/peter-konz-scouting-report.html))
2. Ben Jones, OC, Georgia
3. Mike Brewster, OC, Ohio State (Scouting Report (http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2010/05/mike-brewster-scouting-report.html))

[burmafrd]

pathetic joke of a scouting report

[bpfred]

If Cordy Glenn has a first round grade, he should at least be in the mix at 14. The players are probably going to start blending together at some point, anyway. I'd say the Cowboys are most likely stuck at 14, too.

The Cowboys are no where near good enough in the offensive line (including players like Arkin, Nagy, and Costa) to just ignore a talent like Cordy Glenn. They really have three holes inside if you count Costa. They have two big holes at guard, imo.

I would have no problem taking Glenn at 14. He looks like a player to me.

[InmanRoshi]

Instead of shooting for the moon ( Larry Allen ) with a sling shot, I'd just start with a guy who has the potential to not allow much pressure up the middle and provides solid to good run blocking and then go from there.


Nothing wrong with that thinking, but not with the 14th pick in the draft.

You don't get chances at special players often. They get franchise tagged and don't hit the free agent market. You have to draft them and develop them in hourse, and you generally have to draft them highly. Drafting in the Top 15 is compensation for a miserable season. I want that compensation used for someone who could be a Ring of Honor player, not one who merely adequately plugs a hole. Particularly one that just merely adquately fills a hole at a non-premium position. You can find adequate guards in free agency. You can't find All Pro quarterbacks, elite left tackles, gamebreaking WRs, premium pass rushers or shutdown cornerbacks.

[Gaede]

Nothing wrong with that thinking, but not with the 14th pick in the draft.

You don't get chances at special players often. They get franchise tagged and don't hit the free agent market. You have to draft them and develop them in hourse, and you generally have to draft them highly. Drafting in the Top 15 is compensation for a miserable season. I want that compensation used for someone who could be a Ring of Honor player, not one who merely adequately plugs a hole. Particularly one that just merely adquately fills a hole at a non-premium position. You can find adequate guards in free agency.

Exactly.

While I've been down on Glenn in the past, I'm now thinking he might deserve a look over DeCastro. I like DeCastro and all, but he's not going to dominate anyone. You watch Glenn and there's some plays where he actually destroys the person in front of him.

I'd definitely shoot for the moon as opposed to settling for a reliable guy. What I've learned from the draft is that there is absolutely no such thing as 'sure-thing'. Bobby Carpenter, for example. If you're gonna take a risk on a guy, might as well go for the biggest payoff.

[visionary]

would love decastro but there are 3 other players i would love in the first that we have a realistic shot at

melvin ingram at 14

or after trade down

cordy glenn
dontari poe

i thought poe would last till the second but with the injury to hamptom (NT, Pitt) i think they will take him

i do think glenn may last into early second

a strategy might be to trade down to before the steelers and take Poe in 1 and then trade back up into early second (in glenn is there) and take him