DeCastro and Ingram gone, Trade down mock

[tm1119]

Kinda want to cover this scenario more out of curiosity....There is a ton of talent in the 2nd round and having 2 picks in the round could be a huge boost.

Im going to say that the Lions trade up to get 1 of Martin/Rieff/Adams to sure up their LT spot. We get picks #23 and #54 from Detroit.

Pick #23- Nick Perry- OLB USC. Dallas continues the trend of drafting young talented athletes. Perry is a bit raw but a freakish athlete with more than adequate size. Huge upside for the #23 pick to be a dominant pass rusher.

Pick #45- Jayron Hosely CB Va Tech- If Hosely had 10-15 more pounds on him I think he'd be a top 25 pick. Hes a little on the small side weight wise at only 175, but that didint stop him from being a force in the ACC. Very fluid athlete with great quickness making him ideal for 1 on 1 man coverage. A play maker with 12 INTS and 2 punt return TD's the past 2 years. At worst hes a very good nickle CB, but should definitely compete to start outside.

Pick #54- Brandon Washington OG Miami- Big athletic guy at 6'4 320. Was an all ACC OG his sophomore year before moving to LT his junior year due to injury. Did a pretty decent job at LT for a guy with no experience there, but the move definitely hurt his draft stock. I think if he played OG all year he'd be picked somewhere in the early 2nd. His size, strength, and surprising quickness makes him an ideal OG at the next level.

Pick #82- Kendall Reyes DT/DE UConn- Every time I do a mock and get to the 3rd round I cant find anyone better to pick than Reyes. I think hes an ideal 5 tech with great size and athleticism. A 2 time team captain and known hard worker makes him an even better fit.

Pick #113- Michael Egnew TE Mizzu- Fits the mold of the tweener TE the NFL is moving to. Will present a lot of match up problems with defenses whether he lines up in the slot or on the line. Had 90 receptions with 782 yards as a junior. His production dropped off his senior year which makes him available in the 4th, but the value is great given his potential as playmaker.

Pick #144- Chris Galippo ILB USC- 1 of the best overall prospects in the nation as a high school senior and even won MVP in HS All-American bowl. Injuries set his college career back and hes a bit limited as an athlete, but hes a smart player with a high motor. Has the potential to be a good rotation player at ILB, especially against the run.

Pick #175- Brice Schwab OT AZ St- A coveted JuCo transfer who never really got to play much for AZ St because of injury. An absolute monster at 6'7 320 and is supposed to be a beast in the weight room. A project for sure, but hes worth a shot this late just given his size and strength.

Pick #206- Dan Persa QB Northwestern- Smart QB who is accurate and pretty athletic for a QB. His lack of height at 6 foot nothing and the fact that he played on a bad team in a good conference makes him drop very far in the draft. I think he could develop into a decent backup QB like a Chase Daniel.

[robert70x7]

I can dig it. Jayron Hosley is Virginia Tech, not South Carolina. Confusing him with Stephon Gillmore.

[MichaelWinicki]

I don't think Brandon Washington is that far from DeCastro & Glenn. I like the pick.

[tm1119]

I can dig it. Jayron Hosley is Virginia Tech, not South Carolina. Confusing him with Stephon Gillmore.

Fixed. Thanks for the heads up

[Tobal]

I like this, but if Brewster is there in the 3rd I'd like that better.

[robert70x7]

Can someone tell me what the differences between Perry and Ingram are?

[tm1119]

I like this, but if Brewster is there in the 3rd I'd like that better.

Trust me I'd love to mock a C to us but I just don't see anyone there after Kronz. Brewster got abused in the senior bowl.

[Sasquatch]

I like it.

[tm1119]

Can someone tell me what the differences between Perry and Ingram are?

Ingram is 275 while Perry is around 255. Ingram has a great combo of power and explosivness. While Perry is a speed rusher with agility off the edge. Ingram also has versatility with the option of putting him on the line to rush the passer at times. Ingram also has the better body of work in college. With that said, Perry has all of the potential Ingram does, I've seen comparisons to Cameron Wake and I think they're pretty spot on.

[robert70x7]

Ingram is 275 while Perry is around 255. Ingram has a great combo of power and explosivness. While Perry is a speed rusher with agility off the edge. Ingram also has versatility with the option of putting him on the line to rush the passer at times. Ingram also has the better body of work in college. With that said, Perry has all of the potential Ingram does, I've seen comparisons to Cameron Wake and I think they're pretty spot on.

I'm come from the school of thought that run support is an important factor for OLB in a 3-4 as well, and from it sounds like Ingram would hold up better against blockers based on size and strength. People keep wanting strictly sacks from the position Spencer played, but they don't realize he was one of the best run support linebackers in the league.

[robert70x7]

When I first saw the picks involved in the trade, I thought it was a little lopsided for us. However, I found this draft pick calculator that gives point values to each pick, and our 14th pick is worth 1,100 points and the combined points for the Detroit picks are 1,120.

Nice job on finding a realistic trade scenario.

Here's the draft pick points if anyone is interested:

http://www.newerascouting.com/nfl-draft-trade-value-chart/

[tm1119]

I'm come from the school of thought that run support is an important factor for OLB in a 3-4 as well, and from it sounds like Ingram would hold up better against blockers based on size and strength. People keep wanting strictly sacks from the position Spencer played, but they don't realize he was one of the best run support linebackers in the league.

I agree with you, and those are the reasons ingram will possibly be gone before we pick at 14. He's a very complete player who will be ideal for any 3-4 team ahead of us. If by chance he's available at 14 I would have no problems with Ingram, without hestitation if DeCastro is gone.

[Bigdog]

I take this especially if DeCastro is gone. I am not high on Ingram and from what I saw in the Senior Game, I was not overly impressed. It could have been I only watched the 2nd quarter and Adams was basically handling pretty good so if other people say he is better than Spencer than I will go with knowledge of him than what I have seen. Saying that, I love yur first six picks. Don't know much about the last two but good job.

[Oh_Canada]

I'd take that draft and not look back.

Especially love picks 2-4....well done.

[jnday]

I think Curry will offer the most value if a pass rusher is targeted . He looked very good last week .

[tm1119]

I think Curry will offer the most value if a pass rusher is targeted . He looked very good last week .

I like him as well, but I saw multiple reports after practices that he was going to be limited to 4-3 DE in the pros.

[Future]

I don't think Brandon Washington is that far from DeCastro & Glenn. I like the pick.
Agree with this...but I'd still be very tempted to take Glenn at 20 in this scenario if he's still there.

[jnday]

I like him as well, but I saw multiple reports after practices that he was going to be limited to 4-3 DE in the pros.

I don't think he was given a chance to try the OLB position . I have read some scouting reports that said he would do well . If he can , I guess it will come out at the combine. He was the most impressive pass rusher at the Senior Bowl IMO .

[casmith07]

Jayron Hosley would come in and immediately be better than Scandrick straight up. Might even be better than Jenkins, though I think Henderson will take Jenkins' skills to the next level.

[tm1119]

I don't think he was given a chance to try the OLB position . I have read some scouting reports that said he would do well . If he can , I guess it will come out at the combine. He was the most impressive pass rusher at the Senior Bowl IMO .

It's possible he can play OLB, but when several scouts say its unlikely he can after watching him practice for a week I'm not gonna take the chance. The combine will be the final telling though.

[Leadbelly]

Nick Perry is my top 3-4 OLB.

Jayron Hosley is my favorite CB after Claiborne.

Brandon Washington is my favorite G after DeCastro.

Needless to say, I'm liking the early part of this draft.

The others...I like Reyes but we're going to have to draft more than one DB. We have almost nobody on the roster at either CB or Safety right now...and some of the ones we have are not that good. As much as I believe great D begins with a strong front 7, seems we'd need to go CB again earlier rather than later.

[rester]

here a OG every body is over looking

Senio Kelemete, G, Washington

http://seattle.sbnation.com/2012/1/23/2728538/2012-senior-bowl-huskies-senio-kelemete-alameda-taamu-stand-out

Sports Illustrated's Tony Pauline is in Mobile this week covering the Senior Bowl and in his Monday practice report, had some good things to say about Washington Husky Senio Kelemete (http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/players/38753/senio-kelemete). Pauline is as respected in the business as they come and has a wide range of sources, so his column at SI.com is a must read and I'd recommend following him on Twitter.

Here's what Pauline noted: (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/01/23/senior.bowl.practice.monday/index.html?xid=si_nfl)Senio Kelemete (G/Washington) has been incredibly athletic on the field and has stopped several top-rated pass rushers -- including Jack Crawford (http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/players/51506/jack-crawford) of Penn State -- dead in their tracks. In the full scrimmage Kelemete annihilated Vinny Curry (http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/players/15781/vinny-curry) on one play.
High praise for Kelemete, who is currently rated somewhere around the 3rd round. The 6'4, 300 pound senior played left tackle for the Huskies last year but will likely play guard at the next level.

Rob Rang, a senior analyst at NFLDraftScout.com, said Kelemete will likely be moved back to guard at the next level. His organization currently has Kelemete, who was named to the All-Pac-12 second team this year, ranked as the No. 5 guard prospect and pegged as a third-round pick.

"Kelemete is a better fit inside, where his lack of height and reach won't limit his effectiveness," Rang said, adding that Kelemete is "surprisingly light on his feet" which helps make him "a very intriguing guard prospect, especially for teams operating out of a zone scheme."

[visionary]

like your 2-4 picks

would change rd 1 to Poe (NT)

hate the idea of getting a short no-name QB as a future "back-up"

[JackWagon]

Good mock ... i think with the advent of the rookie salary cap there will be a LOT more trades this year and upcoming years.

[TheCount]

I have just about no interest in trading down unless we're getting another 1st rounder for next year in return. It's just too cute a maneuver, and we've gotten in trouble trying that stuff in the past.

That being said, I like a lot of players in the mock and it's well reasoned. If I'm dropping 10 spots though, it better be for another first rounder.

[tm1119]

I have just about no interest in trading down unless we're getting another 1st rounder for next year in return. It's just too cute a maneuver, and we've gotten in trouble trying that stuff in the past.

That being said, I like a lot of players in the mock and it's well reasoned. If I'm dropping 10 spots though, it better be for another first rounder.

I seriously doubt any GM is going to give up another 1st round pick to move up to 14. We would have to be in the top 10, if not 5.

And who would be your pick given the scenario that DeCastro and Ingram are off of the board? Upshaw? Kirkpatrick? I really don't see anyone else, and the talent drop off from those guys to the guys I have mocked that we can get later is extremely minimal in my opinion. This draft lacks elite talent up front but is pretty deep across the board. Stock piling picks seems like a logical move to me.

[TheCount]

I seriously doubt any GM is going to give up another 1st round pick to move up to 14. We would have to be in the top 10, if not 5.

Why not? A team drafting low this year may feel their pick next year will be low as well, and feel its worth giving up for a player they covet. It happens all the time.

And who would be your pick given the scenario that DeCastro and Ingram are off of the board? Upshaw? Kirkpatrick? I really don't see anyone else, and the talent drop off from those guys to the guys I have mocked that we can get later is extremely minimal in my opinion. This draft lacks elite talent up front but is pretty deep across the board. Stock piling picks seems like a logical move to me.

Tell me who the first 13 picks are and I'll tell you someone worthy of the 14th overall selection, and I don't think it'll be that difficult. That doesn't mean we'll agree, but I don't think it'll be hard at all.

My problem isn't with your mock, as I said, I like several of the players. My problem is with making a trade down "Plan C". Two players being taken before the 14th overall pick triggers a trade down? That's a very passive draft approach, and being passive has killed us in the draft.