Eli Manning a Hall of Famer?

[Joe Realist]

After tonight, I say yes without a doubt. Let's see who is objective and who is blind...

[Bloodbunny]

Yes he will be, the guy just wins, no matter the odds, no matter the naysayers.

I think it was Madden that said "great players make great plays in big games." Enough said.

[jimmy40]

"Eli Manning is what a Hall of Fame QB should look like" - Trent Dilfer after the game.

[cml750]

I think he will be there some day and will probably have earned it. Besides he has one thing going for him as far as getting into the hall, he doesn't play for the Cowboys.

[tupperware]

Yeah this couldn't have went in to any of the other Eli fawning threads, nope, no sir.

Okay, Cowboy fans, on the count of THWEE I need your all in support of another teams QB and all out praise be to the Eli.

WAHN
TEW
THWEE

All praise be to the Eli who is now a Hall of Famer.

There, can we lock this thread now or do some Cowboy fans just like poking other fans fresh off a division rivals SB win?

[Joshmil53]

I think he will be there some day and will probably have earned it. Besides he has one thing going for him as far as getting into the hall, he doesn't play for the Cowboys.

Can't be more true. I could see Romo winning a super bowl or two and still not make it.

[The Quest for Six]

absolutely Eli Manning is a Hall Of fame Quarterback, not only that but an Elite QB, directing his team to two Superbowl game winning drives late in the fourth quarter. hands down HOF'er

Giants will be even a better team next year..

[TheRat]

As long as you put Trent Dilfer and Phil Simms in there as well

[TheCoolFan]

Absolutely...it's not even in debate anymore. Every player that's won 2 Super Bowl MVPs has made it. His career's not even close to the end yet, he'll have plenty of chances to rack up the stats and awards

[Bloodbunny]

As long as you put Trent Dilfer and Phil Simms in there as well

Can't compare Dilfer to Eli... Tonight and all throughout the playoffs I saw Eli make clutch passes one after another when they mattered the most, if anything he is more like John Elway than Dilfer.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Sadly. Yes.

[Pentagruel]

I would say wait some time to see what he does with the rest of his career. I think Eli has accomplished a lot. He is a true winner thus far, he picks up his game when it matters most, and he has won and led his team to 2 super bowl victories. But his overall stats arent as sexy as a lot of HoF'ers.

I think Eli is a fine quarterback under any circumstance but I think it is only during the playoffs where he is truly elite thus far. I say if he continues at the level he played this year, with ease he makes the HoF. If he never makes another super bowl and has sub-par years statistically from now on, it could come into question.

To put it honestly, I think he will become a HoF player. He isn't there quite yet, because he hasn't played out his entire career yet, but he will be. Because he is a winner made of ice who doesn't accept failure. Thats what separates him from his brother, and a lot of other quarterbacks. He can keep his cool and keep playing. I think he will become a HoF player, but he isnt there quite yet.

[RS12]

It is a lock. Road play off record alone probably gets him in.

[TheRat]

Can't compare Dilfer to Eli... Tonight and all throughout the playoffs I saw Eli make clutch passes one after another when they mattered the most, if anything he is more like John Elway than Dilfer.

Oh so Eli Manning is John Elway now? I'm still waiting for the Joe Montana comparisons.

[Avery]

I said earlier today in another thread that if he wins tonight and manages to just have a so-so career from here on out that he gets in.

I stand by that. It's all about the rings and he's got two of them over the great Tom Brady. 'Nuff said.

[Mash]

He help lead a wildcard team to win a SB and he is the first QB since the 16 game schedule was started to not win 10 games in the regular season and still lead his team to win a SB.

He beat the almighty NE Patriots too.....lead by NFL media darling Tom Brady..........twice

HOF in my book....

I hate the Giants and Eli....but im not blind

[baj1dallas]

Not to me. I wouldn't call him dominant.

[RS12]

Joe Namath had one SB win and more career picks than TDs. What do think is going to happen.

[M'Kevon]

Yep. Seems so.

[tyke1doe]

Joe Namath had one SB win and more career picks than TDs. What do think is going to happen.

You know why Namath is in the Hall, right?

I say Eli Manning is on his way. He needs a few more years with pretty good numbers. He doesn't have to put up Marino-like, Brees-like numbers to get in now because of two Super Bowl MVP awards. Those Super Bowl wins are going to make it easier for him to get in, compared to a quarterback like Romo, who's going to need to put up astronomical numbers if he's going to get in without winning a Super Bowl.

[Bloodbunny]

Oh so Eli Manning is John Elway now? I'm still waiting for the Joe Montana comparisons.

No, I won't compare him to Montana because Montana's teams were loaded with talent, less so in 81, but it was still a force. Look at the offenses of the Broncos teams that Elway took to the SB before he had Terrell Davis, pretty much a ragtag bunch of average no names, yet he willed them down the field when the game was on the line.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

He shouldn't be, but he will be.

[Joshmil53]

I mean, he had a good game against a horrible pass D. I still says he needs another good playoff run and put up better regular season numbers.

[RS12]

You know why Namath is in the Hall, right?

I say Eli Manning is on his way. He needs a few more years with pretty good numbers. He doesn't have to put up Marino-like, Brees-like numbers to get in now because of two Super Bowl MVP awards. Those Super Bowl wins are going to make it easier for him to get in, compared to a quarterback like Romo, who's going to need to put up astronomical numbers if he's going to get in without winning a Super Bowl.

Namath is in because he ushered in the modern era and made popularity of the game explode. Eli is a lock because of his road play off record. Way too many people constipated over individual stats.

[Joe Realist]

For those that still are not sure, let me present some numbers, because there are people here that that want to talk stats:

One quarterback has career stats of :

27,579 yards, 58.4 completion %, 185 TDs, 129 INTs

The other quarterback has career stats of:

32,942 yards, 61.5 completion %, 161 TDs, 141 INTs

Do either of these look like Hall of Fame Numbers? I don't think so, but the the latter is in the Hall of Fame. Hmm? Who is it and why?

[Joe Realist]

For those that still are not sure, let me present some numbers, because there are people here that that want to talk stats:

One quarterback has career stats of :

27,579 yards, 58.4 completion %, 185 TDs, 129 INTs

The other quarterback has career stats of:

32,942 yards, 61.5 completion %, 161 TDs, 141 INTs

Do either of these look like Hall of Fame Numbers? I don't think so, but the the latter is in the Hall of Fame. Hmm? Who is it and why?

[rathalarge]

After tonight, I say yes without a doubt. Let's see who is objective and who is blind...
I grew up with Staubach, Tarkenton, Bradshaw, Montana, Moon, Marino, etc. and yes he will be a HOF'amer, but because I'm older, deep down inside I know that he and these teams playing today couldn't hold those players and their teams 'jocks' imo!

[rathalarge]

Can't be more true. I could see Romo winning a super bowl or two and still not make it.
Well right now, I'm sure as heck glad you're seeing better than me!!

[TheRat]

No, I won't compare him to Montana because Montana's teams were loaded with talent, less so in 81, but it was still a force. Look at the offenses of the Broncos teams that Elway took to the SB before he had Terrell Davis, pretty much a ragtag bunch of average no names, yet he willed them down the field when the game was on the line.

Hakeem Nicks, Bradshaw, Cruz, JPP, Osi, Tuck, Webster, Rolle, etc.

Giants have some talent. JPP being the best pass rusher in the league among those under the age of 29.

[ajk23az]

He should be, he will be.

FIFY.

The guy is more than anything the Giants could have dreamed of when they got him.

Clutch.

I still hate him though.

[tyke1doe]

Namath is in because he ushered in the modern era and made popularity of the game explode. Eli is a lock because of his road play off record. Way too many people constipated over individual stats.

Fair enough. I agree. I believe Namath belongs in the game because he is intimately connected to the history of the game.

I ask this one question with respect to the Hall of Fame, "Would you be doing a grave disservice to this individual if you wrote the history of the NFL and omitted this player's contribution?"

Eli Manning has been the biggest thorn in the side of the best NFL franchise of the new century/millenium.

[WoodysGirl]

Even if he goes into the HOF, I still won't like him...

It's not about envy or jealousy or Romo being better or anything like that.

He may do enough in the postseason to win, but I've seen enough of Eli in the regular season that just leaves me unimpressed.

[Beast_from_East]

Yeah this couldn't have went in to any of the other Eli fawning threads, nope, no sir.

Okay, Cowboy fans, on the count of THWEE I need your all in support of another teams QB and all out praise be to the Eli.

WAHN
TEW
THWEE

All praise be to the Eli who is now a Hall of Famer.

There, can we lock this thread now or do some Cowboy fans just like poking other fans fresh off a division rivals SB win?

Name me one player that has won the SB MVP twice and is not in the Hall Of Fame.


Just one................

[Texas_Pete]

He beat Tom Brady (surefire HOFer) twice in the SB. He'll get in.

[Risen Star]

He's a lock now.

And he might not be done winning rings.

[Joshmil53]

He beat Tom Brady (surefire HOFer) twice in the SB. He'll get in.

No, the Giants beat the Patriots twice in the SB.

[tupperware]

He's a lock now.

And he might not be done winning rings.
Yep he might not. I hope he shares his rings with the Giants.

[Beast_from_East]

No, the Giants beat the Patriots twice in the SB.

He won the MVP however and like I just asked, is there a single player that won two SB MVP trophies and is not in the HOF?


I cant think of any, seriously.

[Pentagruel]

Even if he goes into the HOF, I still won't like him...

It's not about envy or jealousy or Romo being better or anything like that.

He may do enough in the postseason to win, but I've seen enough of Eli in the regular season that just leaves me unimpressed.

I personally do like Eli. I feel like he has always lived in the shadow of someone else, without ever anyone considering whether Eli deserved equal recognition. He remembered all that injustice within his family and used it on the field in football. Thats the way I view Eli.

With that said, it has nothing to do with Romo. I think Romo is a fantastic quarterback and if put in the same circumstances as Eli I think he could produce equally or even better. I think Romo has shown this year that he is both tough and competetive in every game he plays. Romo doesnt have the same circumstances as Eli does so its difficult to contrast them. Honestly, I put the giants super bowl victory on Tom Coughlin more than anyone else this year, despite the fact that Eli played great. Romo doesn't have that kind of support yet. If Garrett can raise his game and motivate the team to greater heights like Coughlin did this year, then Romo can have the same success, i'm convinced.

[davidyee]

...whether one likes it or not.

2 SB rings. SB MVP. Storied family. Leader of a big market team.

Don't get your tights in a wad it's not worth it.

[Joe Realist]

He shouldn't be, but he will be.

Why shouldn't he be?

[CowboysFirst]

It's going to be a sad and hilarious day when Eli Manning goes into the HOF as Tony Romo fades into obscurity.

[Fastphilly]

It's hard to say at this point...He is one of those QBs that are inconsistant. He wins a superbowl, then dissapears in the post season for a few seasons, then returns to win another one. His eliteness wasn't there against the 49ers two weeks ago.

To be considered an elite QB you must be able to have your team in playoff contention on a more consistant basis..Eli has not shown that yet. He is good, but he is not on a level with the Montana, Brady , Elway. Those QBs are/were in the thick of things year in and year out.

[Joe Realist]

It's hard to say at this point...He is one of those QBs that are inconsistant. He wins a superbowl, then dissapears in the post season for a few seasons, then returns to win another one. His eliteness wasn't there against the 49ers two weeks ago.

To be considered an elite QB you must be able to have your team in playoff contention on a more consistant basis..Eli has not shown that yet. He is good, but he is not on a level with the Montana, Brady , Elway. Those QBs are/were in the thick of things year in and year out.

Don't know what you are watching. He got killed in the SF game, but kept coming back. He is Elite, he is HOF. Aikman had piss poor stats, yet ended up in the HOF due to his POSTSEASON success.

[Fastphilly]

Don't know what you are watching. He got killed in the SF game, but kept coming back. He is Elite, he is HOF. Aikman had piss poor stats, yet ended up in the HOF due to his POSTSEASON success.

What game were you watching? He didn't score jack squat against S.F. in the entire second half and had to rely on a practice squad player to fumble a gift inside the opposing teams field goal range.

My level of standards of eliteness is higher than most I guess. P. Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees are in the post season on a consistant basis and have one the Big one, not to mention breaking passing records. Those are elite QBs.

[JoeCorrado]

After tonight, I say yes without a doubt. Let's see who is objective and who is blind...

Only question is; first ballot or not. I would say yes, and on the first try no less.

Hard to argue. But... is he the best Manning?

[Joe Realist]

What game were you watching? He didn't score jack squat against S.F. in the entire second half and had to rely on a practice squad player to fumble a gift inside the opposing teams field goal range.

My level of standards of eliteness is higher than most I guess. P. Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees are in the post season on a consistant basis and have one the Big one, not to mention breaking passing records. Those are elite QBs.


I guess Troy sucked and was not elite in your opinion.

I guess my standards are not based on post season performance and Super Bowl wins. Heck, I didn't mention his NFL record for 4th Quarter TD passes, but that was regular season.

The funny thing is - he will be rememberd as elite when he is voted into the Hall of Fame.

[Fastphilly]

I guess Jim Plunkett is an elite quarterback? He was lashed out of town in New England before being picked up by the Raiders. Two Superbowl victories and is not in the HOF.

[Dale]

Hall of Fame careers are ultimately built upon what is done, not what ifs. Eli's goofiness on the field used to make him look sloppy and inefficient, now it almost serves to underscore his effectiveness.

Quarterbacks are judged by Super Bowls, and he has two of them to go along with two MVPs. There aren't a lot of two-time Super Bowl-winning QBs who aren't Hall of Famers. He undoubtedly cemented a legacy tonight that few of us here ever thought he'd fulfill.

[Fastphilly]

I guess Troy sucked and was not elite in your opinion.

I guess my standards are not based on post season performance and Super Bowl wins. Heck, I didn't mention his NFL record for 4th Quarter TD passes, but that was regular season.

The funny thing is - he will be rememberd as elite when he is voted into the Hall of Fame.

I am mentioning current QBs. I believe Troy was a very good QB but having a stellar defence and one of the best running backs of all time wasn't put in a position to carry a team solely on his back like the other QBs I mentioned.

[Joe Realist]

I am mentioning current QBs. I believe Troy was a very good QB but having a stellar defence and one of the best running backs of all time wasn't put in a position to carry a team solely on his back like the other QBs I mentioned.

Does Troy deserve to be a hall of famer, first ballot none the less?

[Joe Realist]

I'll add - Eli beat arguably the best QB of this generation, BOTH times, in the BIGGEST game.

[Dodger]

If he stays healty, absolutely.

[twentytwo]

Pains me to say it, but he is by default. Hard to see a QB like that win two SBs, while our quarterback (who I still think is slightly better) only has one playoff win.

[dadymat]

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[Fastphilly]

I'll add - Eli beat arguably the best QB of this generation, BOTH times, in the BIGGEST game.

Does Brady play on the New England defence? Enough with that crap..The Patriots defence has been a patchwork group for years now. Wilfork, Mayo, and Chung. None of these are the best of their positions by a long shot. Eli beat the New England Patriots defence. The "Giants team beat the Patriots team".

When a team is consistantly good for as long as they have it gets harder to obtain top tier talent through the draft on a consistant basis..I look at Brady now as I looked at Peyton Manning. A great QB with a bunch of no names around them.

Eli has receivers that aren't midget slot machines that can run deep routes. A defence with a great pass rush and above average linebackers/secondary.

[Fastphilly]

Pains me to say it, but he is by default. Hard to see a QB like that win two SBs, while our quarterback (who I still think is slightly better) only has one playoff win.

Just because a QB wins two Superbowls doesn't mean an automatic ticket stamped to Canton..Jim Plunkett won two Superbowls and he is still waiting for his Canton ticket.

[Joe Realist]

Does Brady play on the New England defence? Enough with that crap..The Patriots defence has been a patchwork group for years now. Wilfork, Mayo, and Chung. None of these are the best of their positions by a long shot. Eli beat the New England Patriots defence. The "Giants team beat the Patriots team".

When a team is consistantly good for as long as they have it gets harder to obtain top tier talent through the draft on a consistant basis..I look at Brady now as I looked at Peyton Manning. A great QB with a bunch of no names around them.

Eli has receivers that aren't midget slot machines that can run deep routes. A defence with a great pass rush and above average linebackers/secondary.

lol. excuses. no matter, the guy got it done. end of story

[TheSport78]

He's a Hall of Famer right now. He has the jewelry and two Super Bowl MVPs.

[twentytwo]

Just because a QB wins two Superbowls doesn't mean an automatic ticket stamped to Canton..Jim Plunkett won two Superbowls and he is still waiting for his Canton ticket.

I know it's not a definite thing. But I think it happens. If Curtis Martin is going to the HOF, Eli Manning will.

[Fastphilly]

lol. excuses. no matter, the guy got it done. end of story

No exuses here..Just plain facts. He didn't choke and made enough plays to win against a weak defence. Good for him and the Giants..Are the two Superbowl wins enough to get him into the HOF? I say not.

[davidyee]

What game were you watching? He didn't score jack squat against S.F. in the entire second half and had to rely on a practice squad player to fumble a gift inside the opposing teams field goal range.

My level of standards of eliteness is higher than most I guess. P. Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees are in the post season on a consistant basis and have one the Big one, not to mention breaking passing records. Those are elite QBs.

...that in one QB you have picked he only has been in the playoffs in his 5th, 6th and 7th years, but sat on the bench for 3 yrs while his coach built what may argueably be the strongest young group of talent in the NFL?

Another QB you selected has been in the league for (11) yrs and only been in the playoffs (4) times.

Eli on the other hand has a 50% attendance rate to the post season and a 50% win rate in the tournament for the Superbowl.

There is clear argument that he may be better than many other QBs who are now in the HOF based on your "results" of being in the post season on a consistent basis which clearly two of your selections are not any more than ELI.

[Mr Cowboy]

As long as Eli goes in after Plunkett, I have no problem with it.

[Joe Realist]

No exuses here..Just plain facts. He didn't choke and made enough plays to win against a weak defence. Good for him and the Giants..Are the two Superbowl wins enough to get him into the HOF? I say not.

With your flawed logic, they should kick Aikman out of the HOF. The one SB MVP he has, came in a game in which the other team had 9 turnovers.

:zzz: Quit and go to bed.

[speedkilz88]

Yes, unfortunately playing in NY + winning 2 superbowls he will be in. Even Namath got in.

[Fastphilly]

...that in one QB you have picked he only has been in the playoffs in his 5th, 6th and 7th years, but sat on the bench for 3 yrs while his coach built what may argueably be the strongest young group of talent in the NFL?

Another QB you selected has been in the league for (11) yrs and only been in the playoffs (4) times.

Eli on the other hand has a 50% attendance rate to the post season and a 50% win rate in the tournament for the Superbowl.

There is clear argument that he may be better than many other QBs who are now in the HOF based on your "results" of being in the post season on a consistent basis which clearly two of your selections are not any more than ELI.

You need to consider career passing performances when evaluating QB talent. You cannot label eliteness by Superbowl rings alone. Those four QBs I mentioned have below average defences and no running game to compliment and have still won Superbowls. . I guess Terry Bradshaw is an elite QB? He was average for the most part his entire career that had the best defences in league history backing him up plus a good running game with Franco. Ask the 1977 Steelers what happened to them when they lost Franco in the post season that year.

[Fastphilly]

With your flawed logic, they should kick Aikman out of the HOF. The one SB MVP he has, came in a game in which the other team had 9 turnovers.

:zzz: Quit and go to bed.

Looks to be past your bedtime. I offer facts and realist figures..You quote eliteness and automatic HOF status based on your belief in Rich Eison and other New York media lapdogs then be my guess..

Being part of three Superbowls is a much bigger accomplishment than two. Your Troy spin is an epic fail...

[honyock]

Just because a QB wins two Superbowls doesn't mean an automatic ticket stamped to Canton..Jim Plunkett won two Superbowls and he is still waiting for his Canton ticket.

I don't think the Plunkett argument will hold up. Eli will be seen as more vital to the Giants' two SB wins than Plunkett, especially this one. Two fourth quarter game-winning drives against a team and coach who is headed for the HOF himself. I just don't think that Plunkett's career is very useful as a gauge for Eli and the HOF. Plunkett was a nice reclamation/comeback story, on some really talented Raider teams. Eli took a wildcard team, and a team that was 7-7 at one point, on two impressive playoff runs against favored teams.

[dexternjack]

Eli will go into the HoF, and probably first ballot. We can all say we hate/dislike him or whatever, but he is a good QB and tonight propelled him to that elite status. I don't know if he is better than Romo and not gonna argue it, but I believe Tony can do just as well (if not better) if we had their trenches.

[Fastphilly]

Yes, unfortunately playing in NY + winning 2 superbowls he will be in. Even Namath got in.

You make an excellent point. Playing in 10 million plus population New York will get you all the perks than playing in crime ridden 500 thousand population Oakland...Ask Jim Plunkett.

[Joe Realist]

You need to consider career passing performances when evaluating QB talent. You cannot label eliteness by Superbowl rings alone. Those four QBs I mentioned have below average defences and no running game to compliment and have still won Superbowls. . I guess Terry Bradshaw is an elite QB? He was average for the most part his entire career that had the best defences in league history backing him up plus a good running game with Franco. Ask the 1977 Steelers what happened to them when they lost Franco in the post season that year.



Packers won SB last year and gave up 2nd fewest points in NFL
Saints won SB and had best turnover differential in NFL
Colts defense fixed in time for post season run. Running backs were real MVPs of SB
Patriots of 2003 gave up least amount of points in NFL, 9th least in 2004

[Fastphilly]

I don't think the Plunkett argument will hold up. Eli will be seen as more vital to the Giants' two SB wins than Plunkett, especially this one. Two fourth quarter game-winning drives against a team and coach who is headed for the HOF himself. I just don't think that Plunkett's career is very useful as a gauge for Eli and the HOF. Plunkett was a nice reclamation/comeback story, on some really talented Raider teams. Eli took a wildcard team, and a team that was 7-7 at one point, on two impressive playoff runs against favored teams.

I understand that. But Eli has been inconsistant. He was in hibrination since his 2007 SB win. I can understand this agument more if he was in contention in those Superbowl lapsed years (2008,2009,2010). The Giants never made the post season in those years and if Miles Austin makes that 4th quarter catch the Giants wouldn't have sniffed the post season this year as well.

[Joe Realist]

I understand that. But Eli has been inconsistant. He was in hibrination since his 2007 SB win. I can understand this agument more if he was in contention in those Superbowl lapsed years (2008,2009,2010). The Giants never made the post season in those years and if Miles Austin makes that 4th quarter catch the Giants wouldn't have sniffed the post season this year as well.


can't look and ifs and buts, only what is.... and Eli is 2 time SB Champ and 2 time MVP with similar numbers to Troy Aikman who is only in the hall of fame based on his post season record. He will be in the Hall of Fame even if he never wins another playoff game.

[Fastphilly]

Packers won SB last year and gave up 2nd fewest points in NFL
Saints won SB and had best turnover differential in NFL
Colts defense fixed in time for post season run. Running backs were real MVPs of SB
Patriots of 2003 gave up least amount of points in NFL, 9th least in 2004


Fair enough..I should mention that Brady has not won a Superbowl since their defence in New England has rapidly declined since their 2004 winning year.
Turnovers can be a deceiving stat though..In the case of Green Bay and NO, their offences were lighting up teams so badly early in games that the opposing teams offences were forced to throw and abandon the run so the GB and NO defences became opportunistic knowing that the opposing QB will be passing the ball which obviously leads to more interception posibilities.

[Arch Stanton]

I said earlier today in another thread that if he wins tonight and manages to just have a so-so career from here on out that he gets in.

I stand by that. It's all about the rings and he's got two of them over the great Tom Brady. 'Nuff said.

Charles Haley says hi. ;)

[Joe Rod]

Eli gets in now for sure. He deserves it.

[Mash]

Packers won SB last year and gave up 2nd fewest points in NFL
Saints won SB and had best turnover differential in NFL
Colts defense fixed in time for post season run. Running backs were real MVPs of SB
Patriots of 2003 gave up least amount of points in NFL, 9th least in 2004


:fact:

[BIGDen]

Put this in the NFL Zone please. I see enough of that overrated, fortunate, mongoloid clown's name everywhere. He's good, but without quite a few crazy bounces and breaks he wouldn't have even 1 ring. If they put Namath in, they'll probably put him in, but he's not great by any means.

[TheSport78]

Put this in the NFL Zone please. I see enough of that overrated, fortunate, mongoloid clown's name everywhere. He's good, but without quite a few crazy bounces and breaks he wouldn't have even 1 ring. If they put Namath in, they'll probably put him in, but he's not great by any means.

He's become pretty clutch, man.

[ufcrules1]

With your flawed logic, they should kick Aikman out of the HOF. The one SB MVP he has, came in a game in which the other team had 9 turnovers.

:zzz: Quit and go to bed.

It's not flawed logic.. it's homerism.

[BIGDen]

He's become pretty clutch, man.

Yeah, clutch AND lucky. Opponents dropped passes and interceptions, crazy fumble recoveries in both SBs. The dropped picks and absurd punt returner BS against the Niners. Eli and the Giants were lucky to have those things happen- not to mention things like Crayton's/Fasano's drops against them, the blown AZ call that got helped them to make the postseason etc. Those things are not the product of great play by the giants. They have had an unusual amount of crazy things go their way in recent years that have really helped their cause. Eli is good, but the lucky BS has made him "great" and I do NOT judge a QB by that. He was far from great in big games aginst the Jets and Skins late in the year and did very little against the Niners in the playoffs. He has been good and lucky.

[TheSport78]

Yeah, clutch AND lucky. Opponents dropped passes and interceptions, crazy fumble recoveries in both SBs. The dropped picks and absurd punt returner BS against the Niners. Eli and the Giants were lucky to have those things happen- not to mention things like Crayton's/Fasano's drops against them, the blown AZ call that got helped them to make the postseason etc. Those things are not the product of great play by the giants. They have had an unusual amount of crazy things go their way in recent years that have really helped their cause. Eli is good, but the lucky BS has made him "great" and I do NOT judge a QB by that. He was far from great in big games aginst the Jets and Skins late in the year and did very little against the Niners in the playoffs. He has been good and lucky.

You can say that about any Super Bowl champion team. I'm sure if Montana didn't avoid that INT or if Neil O' Donnell doesn't gift wrap us a Super Bowl, it may be different in the history books. The ball just kind of bounces your way, but your team makes the big plays when needed. Eli needed that last drive which started at the 12 yard line I believe. That's clutch. He's done it twice in the Super Bowl in clutch fashion against a HOF QB in Tom Brady. Can't get anymore clutch, as painful as it is to say.

[BIGDen]

You can say that about any Super Bowl champion team. I'm sure if Montana didn't avoid that INT or if Neil O' Donnell doesn't gift wrap us a Super Bowl, it may be different in the history books. The ball just kind of bounces your way, but your team makes the big plays when needed. Eli needed that last drive which started at the 12 yard line I believe. That's clutch. He's done it twice in the Super Bowl in clutch fashion against a HOF QB in Tom Brady. Can't get anymore clutch, as painful as it is to say.

I disagree. PLENTY of SB champs didn't require a bunch of crazy bounces and breaks to win. Only 1 of those 2 big picks were O'Donnell's fault BTW and they never led in that game. Dallas won all of their SBs by double digits for a reason. The last giants SB had Eli throwing TWO picks that were dropped and a duck that stuck to a scrub's helmet during his "clutch drive"! I will NEVER look at that as clutch! It' wasn't! It was luck! Brady's receivers dropping all those passes at the end and the 3 Giants fumbles that ended up back with the Giants were a product of good fortune. Eli played well, but he has been VERY LUCKY too. I'd go back and forth but I'm headed off to work. Like you, I live in the NY area and have to listen to all the vagiants BS now. Good luck.

[Austin 3-16]

He should considering he beat a quarterback twice in the Superbowl and that guy already had 3 rings.

[burmafrd]

It's not flawed logic.. it's homerism.


haters are never listened to

[Joe Realist]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/06/eli-makes-his-case-for-canton/

[Joshmil53]

He should considering he beat a quarterback twice in the Superbowl and that guy already had 3 rings.

Why do people say this? The GIANTS beat the PATRIOTS, who had the worst pass defense in the league, in the super bowl. ***** ****** stop saying that Eli did all the work when he clearly didn't.

[vlad]

Yeah, I think he gets in now...

[Hostile]

Jim Plunkett will want in.

[Sam I Am]

Two Superbowl wins, and two Superbowl MVPs. He already has more skins on the way than Peyton Manning.

Yeah, he will get in. Maybe not first ballot, but at some point he will.

[ragman]

2 SB rings won't necessarily get Eli a bust in Canton. Ask Jim Plunkett. He'll tell you. Let's see if Eli can get 3. Then, we can start the conversation.

[Joe Realist]

Jim Plunkett will want in.


Do you think Eli is a hall of famer?

[trickblue]

Jim Plunkett will want in.

Do you think Eli is a hall of famer?

I have no problems with Eli... but he is not HoF worthy...

Plunkett is... Put Eli in the "Hall of Very Good"...

[TheSport78]

I have no problems with Eli... but he is not HoF worthy...

Plunkett is... Put Eli in the "Hall of Very Good"...

Eli will be a HOFer.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Eli will be a HOFer.

Doesn't me he'll deserve it, but yeah he'll get in.

[TheSport78]

Doesn't me he'll deserve it, but yeah he'll get in.

I don't really get how he doesn't deserve it? I'm a diehard Cowboys fan until I die, but the hate for other players is ridiculous. If Romo had done what Eli has done up to this point, there's NO WAY you wouldn't say he was a HOFer.

[trickblue]

Eli will be a HOFer.

Sure he will be... and he may some day earn it...

[TheSport78]

Sure he will be... and he may some day earn it...

Already has. Tell him to earn it and he wouldn't hear you, because his two Super Rings along w/ two SB MVP's would be talking so loud.

[trickblue]

Already has. Tell him to earn it and he wouldn't hear you, because his two Super Rings along w/ two SB MVP's would be talking so loud.

Then why isn't Jim Plunkett in? He was also Superbowl MVP, Rookie of the Year and Comeback player of the year. My point is that he has two Superbowls, but he is rather average in the regular season...

If he retired today he would get in on that and his family name. He doesn't have numbers anywhere close to HoF in the regular season...

[Joe Realist]

Then why isn't Jim Plunkett in? He was also Superbowl MVP, Rookie of the Year and Comeback player of the year. My point is that he has two Superbowls, but he is rather average in the regular season...

If he retired today he would get in on that and his family name. He doesn't have numbers anywhere close to HoF in the regular season...


Troy Aikman - I realize he has 3 rings, yet look at the career stats. Aikman's are not HOF worthy.

[trickblue]

Troy Aikman - I realize he has 3 rings, yet look at the career stats. Aikman's are not HOF worthy.

Troy Aikman also QB'ed the winningest team of the decade...

[Joe Realist]

Troy Aikman also QB'ed the winningest team of the decade...


well you brought up numbers and stats do mean alot as well. 2 Super Bowl wins, 2 Super Bowl MVPs. Two end of game drives to win the SB.

The reality is that his career is not ending today. As long as he is healthy, he will pass the 30,000 yard and 200 TD milestone next year and pass 40,000 and 300 TDs later on. It will be a slam dunk/

[tyke1doe]

2 SB rings won't necessarily get Eli a bust in Canton. Ask Jim Plunkett. He'll tell you. Let's see if Eli can get 3. Then, we can start the conversation.

Sigh.

It's not just the fact that one has two Super Bowl rings. Eli has two Super Bowl MVPs, he has taken a wild card team and the first team with nine wins to a Super Bowl victory. He beat the team considered the dynasty team of this early millenium. He beat one of the best quarterbacks of our era (Plunkett beat Theismann and Jaworski :rolleyes). He has beat former Super Bowl championship quarterbacks on his march to the Super Bowl (Favre, Rodgers). He made two critical plays down the stretch that will live in NFL history. He is part of the only sibling pair that has won a Super Bowl MVP. He won Super Bowls without an NFL Hall of Fame caliber runner in the back field, etc.

ALL those factors contribute to why Eli is clearly in another category than Plunkett, who also has two Super Bowl rings.

In both Super Bowls, the game - on offense - was heavily dependent upon Eli. In Plunkett's Super Bowl only one game was on him, and he benefited from a 80 yard screen pass that went for a touchdown. That's nothing compared to breaking tackles to deliver a pass to Tyree or the bullet to Mario Manningham.
The other of Plunkett's Super Bowls was all about Marcus Allen, not Plunkett.

Super Bowl rings are very important, but they don't tell the whole story otherwise Dilfer goes in and Marino doesn't. Other factors are involved in why a player gets into the Hall of Fame. A lot of other factors.

[trickblue]

well you brought up numbers and stats do mean alot as well. 2 Super Bowl wins, 2 Super Bowl MVPs. Two end of game drives to win the SB.

The reality is that his career is not ending today. As long as he is healthy, he will pass the 30,000 yard and 200 TD milestone next year and pass 40,000 and 300 TDs later on. It will be a slam dunk/

and I stated as much that he may earn it as his career is still active...

I thought the issue was is he a HoF QB right now...

[BraveHeartFan]

Done deal.

2 rings.

2 MVPs.

All those road playoff wins they've garnered as a team.


Eli is in. First ballot.

[TheSport78]

Then why isn't Jim Plunkett in? He was also Superbowl MVP, Rookie of the Year and Comeback player of the year. My point is that he has two Superbowls, but he is rather average in the regular season...

If he retired today he would get in on that and his family name. He doesn't have numbers anywhere close to HoF in the regular season...

Jim Plunkett: 164 TD's, 198 INT's....67.5 QB rating

Eli Manning: 185 TD's, 129 INT's....82.1 QB rating, BUT in his last 4 seasons, he has a career QB rating of 89.2. He's stepped up his game and if Plunkett had DECENT numbers, he would probably be in by now. Plunkett's numbers are just atrocious.

[Joe Realist]

Eli - 27,579 yards, 185 TDs, 129 INTS

Plunkett - 25,882 yards, 164 TDS, 198 INTS

Aikman - 32,942 yards, 165 TDS, 141 INTS

[Joe Realist]

and I stated as much that he may earn it as his career is still active...

I thought the issue was is he a HoF QB right now...


if he got hurt and never played again, I bet he would be, but I don't think that will be an issue

[TheSport78]

Eli - 27,579 yards, 185 TDs, 129 INTS

Plunkett - 25,882 yards, 164 TDS, 198 INTS

Aikman - 32,942 yards, 165 TDS, 141 INTS

End of discussion.