Dre Kirkpatrick charges dismissed

[JackWagon]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/06/marijuana-charges-dismissed-against-dre-kirkpatrick/

Gauranteed Jerry is doing a happy dance.

We know thats who Jerry wants to pick.

[realtick]

Gauranteed Jerry is doing a happy dance.

We know thats who Jerry wants to pick.

Why is that?

[Gaede]

Right on. Good to know. I understand some people are wary of him for other reasons, but at least we know the weed 'knock' is nothing to be concerned about

[casmith07]

That's good for him, because it removes a burden for him personally heading to the NFL Draft.

But I'm hoping Jerry and Jason don't draft dumb this year.

[Zimmy Lives]

That's good for him, because it removes a burden for him personally heading to the NFL Draft.

But I'm hoping Jerry and Jason don't draft dumb this year.

This. He's still a bonehead. Or a pothead. :D

[casmith07]

This. He's still a bonehead. Or a pothead. :D

It's not so much the pot as it is the dumb decision making. That's what the potheads on this board can't seem to grasp, but rational thought isn't at the forefront of one's mind when high, I would imagine :D

[Bowdown27]

good for him. I really like him and would be very pleased with him, janoris or by some miracle morris claiborne

[realtick]

I'd love to see him end up in a Cowboys uni.

[visionary]

would hate any CB in Rd 1

[Picksix]

Good for Kirkpatrick, but it's hard to take this story without a bit of skepticism. If he was indeed involved in the purchase in some way, then that speaks to his decision making. If his friend was truly the guilty one, fine. If not, and he's just taking the fall for him, well it just enables him to do it again.

Hopefully it was just a case of wrong time, wrong place for him, and he's clean.

Either way, I'm confident the Cowboys will do their due diligence on him.

[Zimmy Lives]

It's not so much the pot as it is the dumb decision making. That's what the potheads on this board can't seem to grasp, but rational thought isn't at the forefront of one's mind when high, I would imagine :D

Yeah, I don't really care about the pot -- Mark Stepnoski was an Academic All-American but he was/is also an admitted pothead -- as much as the kid's decision-making. No more dummies!

[realtick]

Good for Kirkpatrick, but it's hard to take this story without a bit of skepticism. If he was indeed involved in the purchase in some way, then that speaks to his decision making. If his friend was truly the guilty one, fine. If not, and he's just taking the fall for him, well it just enables him to do it again.

Hopefully it was just a case of wrong time, wrong place for him, and he's clean.

Either way, I'm confident the Cowboys will do their due diligence on him.

It's sounds suspicious because it likely is a bogus story. It doesn't bother ms one bit because marijuana is such a minor thing in reality.

Seriously, apparently it would be shocking for some folks to know that college age kids drink alcohol too, and a vast majority of them underage...

Why folks have some twisted view of weed like it's the equivalent of being a smack addict or being strung-out on coke.

Like anything it can be abused but it's no less dangerous than alcohol. Medicinal marijuana spots are popping up like Quiznos.

[M'Kevon]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/06/marijuana-charges-dismissed-against-dre-kirkpatrick/

Gauranteed Jerry is doing a happy dance.

We know thats who Jerry wants to pick.

Which means he's likely to go back to top ten. If anything, Jerry is banging he head.

[casmith07]

It's sounds suspicious because it likely is a bogus story. It doesn't bother ms one bit because marijuana is such a minor thing in reality.

Seriously, apparently it would be shocking for some folks to know that college age kids drink alcohol too, and a vast majority of them underage...

Why folks have some twisted view of weed like it's the equivalent of being a smack addict or being strung-out on coke.

Like anything it can be abused but it's no less dangerous than alcohol. Medicinal marijuana spots are popping up like Quiznos.

Quite simply put, it's illegal.

When someone makes a conscious decision to do something that would draw the wrath of Goodell in the form of fines/suspensions and draw the wrath of our own fans as well as the media in negative publicity, as well as the effect it can have on the locker room, it's just not worth the headache. Making that decision shows extremely poor judgment and poor character, plain and simple.

Not to mention you can end up in jail.

[burmafrd]

Quite simply put, it's illegal.

When someone makes a conscious decision to do something that would draw the wrath of Goodell in the form of fines/suspensions and draw the wrath of our own fans as well as the media in negative publicity, as well as the effect it can have on the locker room, it's just not worth the headache. Making that decision shows extremely poor judgment and poor character, plain and simple.

Not to mention you can end up in jail.


some people just refuse to get it. As long as it is illegal and the NFL tests for it, anyone using it is a MORON. We do not need more of them on this team.

[Gaede]

Quite simply put, it's illegal.

When someone makes a conscious decision to do something that would draw the wrath of Goodell in the form of fines/suspensions and draw the wrath of our own fans as well as the media in negative publicity, as well as the effect it can have on the locker room, it's just not worth the headache. Making that decision shows extremely poor judgment and poor character, plain and simple.

Not to mention you can end up in jail.

Poor judgement, definitely. Poor character? That's a stretch. They don't always go hand in hand, judgement and character.

[Doomsday101]

Quite simply put, it's illegal.

When someone makes a conscious decision to do something that would draw the wrath of Goodell in the form of fines/suspensions and draw the wrath of our own fans as well as the media in negative publicity, as well as the effect it can have on the locker room, it's just not worth the headache. Making that decision shows extremely poor judgment and poor character, plain and simple.

Not to mention you can end up in jail.

I agree with you. This is not a matter of how any of us feel about Marijuana it is the fact it is against the law and anyone using in the NFL is subjected to fines and suspension. I understand guys make mistakes and I would not have Kirkpatrick removed from my board but I do think any team including the Cowboys should do their home work on him before making the selection.

[realtick]

So is underage drinking.

Would you be upset if you found out any of the draftees we end up selecting drank before they were 21?

People don't typically go to jail for smoking pot nor possessing it unless it was an exorbenate amount, which it wasn't in this case.

[burmafrd]

So is underage drinking.

Would you be upset if you found out any of the draftees we end up selecting drank before they were 21?

People don't typically go to jail for smoking pot nor possessing it unless it was an exorbenate amount, which it wasn't in this case.

wonder how many times this will have to be posted before certain posters GET IT:

Pot is banned in the NFL. It is illegal. If you get caught with it nothing good happens. If you get tested positive you are in trouble.
Those DUMB enough to do this and get caught are TOO STUPID for us to draft.

[Zimmy Lives]

So is underage drinking.

Would you be upset if you found out any of the draftees we end up selecting drank before they were 21?

People don't typically go to jail for smoking pot nor possessing it unless it was an exorbenate amount, which it wasn't in this case.

Also an example of stupidity if they were irresponsible about it. Same difference.

The Cowboys need players who are smart enough to make wise decisions. I repeat: No boneheads!

[realtick]

wonder how many times this will have to be posted before certain posters GET IT:

Pot is banned in the NFL. It is illegal. If you get caught with it nothing good happens. If you get tested positive you are in trouble.
Those DUMB enough to do this and get caught are TOO STUPID for us to draft.

Possession of pot without a medical card is illegal, doesn't matter if you're in the NFL or not. Underage drinking is illegal and is just as innocuous offense as this specific case was.

As Gaede stated above: poor judgement doesnt necessarily equate to poor character

[dallasfaniac]

So is underage drinking.

Outside of Tyron Smith, how many first round talents come into the league under 21?

[Randy White]

Quite simply put, it's illegal.

When someone makes a conscious decision to do something that would draw the wrath of Goodell in the form of fines/suspensions and draw the wrath of our own fans as well as the media in negative publicity, as well as the effect it can have on the locker room, it's just not worth the headache. Making that decision shows extremely poor judgment and poor character, plain and simple..

This is my main concern with him. Putting philosophical differences aside ( and I'm with the - pot ain't no big deal camp - ) the bottom line is that it's not permitted within the league's rules, just like most supplements aren't either. Short of steroids, and even them ( to a certain extent ), I don't have a problem with the over the counter supplements that this guys want to take, but it's not allowed, so obey the rules and move on.

Also, and I hate to say this because it sounds snobbish, the choice of friends need to change. If your circle of friends has people that, you know, play outside the law, you have to remove yourself from their lives as much as possible. The NFL is a major, major business now and you need to treated as such. Think of nearly 2,000 CEO jobs and you're going to enter as a prefered understudy, only you have to follow certain rules. Why are you going to jeopardize that opportunity by not following them ?

Before the arrest, I was dreaming that this guy would be falling to the Cowboys. Now, however, I'd have to be totally convinced, as in thorough background investigation and intensive interviews, in order to select him. And I truly hate the fact that he might turn out to be another Warren Sapp story and the Cowboys look like the Vikings did that year, but the thought of him turning out to be another Aqib Talib scares the living daylight out of me.

[realtick]

Outside of Tyron Smith, how many first round talents come into the league under 21?

Jason Witten for one.

That's not the point though. There's a special stigma applied to marijuana and its illegality, but it's really no different than underage college kids drinking. And if you think the vast majority of NFL players never partook in underage drinking in college then I got a bridge to sell you.

People in that age range experiment with pot, and drink tons of alcohol, it's part our American culture, especially for young adults in college.

BTW, being a 1st round prospect is irrelevant, he's still a 21-year old kid prone make bad decisions.

[casmith07]

wonder how many times this will have to be posted before certain posters GET IT:

Pot is banned in the NFL. It is illegal. If you get caught with it nothing good happens. If you get tested positive you are in trouble.
Those DUMB enough to do this and get caught are TOO STUPID for us to draft.

They won't get it, because they're pot smokers themselves.

[realtick]

They won't get it, because they're pot smokers themselves.

You don't have a clue of what you're talking about and I used to think that was limited to only football related subjects.

[dallasfaniac]

That's not the point though.

That pretty much is the point though; an illegal behavior that magically becomes legal at 21. For the most part, when you enter the NFL you aren't going to be breaking the law anymore because it is now legal, not the case with pot.

If your argument was drinking and driving you might have a case, but then a player that gets a DUI a day/week/month before entering the draft would be viewed in the exact same light as a pot smoker caught just before the draft; an idiot with football clearly not a priority.

[Gaede]

They won't get it, because they're pot smokers themselves.

No, I'm not.

'Anyone who supports drugs is a drug addict themselves!!!' That's garbage man

[realtick]

That pretty much is the point though; an illegal behavior that magically becomes legal at 21. For the most part, when you enter the NFL you aren't going to be breaking the law anymore because it is now legal, not the case with pot.

If your argument was drinking and driving you might have a case, but then a player that gets a DUI a day/week/month before entering the draft would be viewed in the exact same light as a pot smoker caught just before the draft; an idiot with football clearly not a priority.

No, those are your points not mine. I gaurantee you if a prospect got some underage drinking violations on his record, not many if anybody would be saying "meh, pass....red flags...character issues!"

I love how everyone suddenly becomes wise sages as soon as their 21st birthday comes up. The point is college age kids make poor decisions. You take each case on it's face and judge the severity of it. Marijuana possession is nowhere near on the level as say stalking, drug trafficking, prostitution, burglary, et cetera.

[GloryDaysRBack]

The buffoons who predicted his draft stock would plummet now have an excuse when he gets selected top 20...

Little did you guys know, this little story doesn't change anything..he was going top 20 no matter what

[GloryDaysRBack]

No, I'm not.

'Anyone who supports drugs is a drug addict themselves!!!' That's garbage man

lol! Anyone who supports the Dallas cowboys is a loser themselves!!!

Oh wait, dammit! :banghead:

[Hostile]

The buffoons who predicted his draft stock would plummet now have an excuse when he gets selected top 20...

Little did you guys know, this little story doesn't change anything..he was going top 20 no matter whatI still wouldn't take him at 14. I won't be shocked if Dallas takes him off their draft board.

Buffoon out...

[GloryDaysRBack]

I still wouldn't take him at 14. I won't be shocked if Dallas takes him off their draft board.

Buffoon out...

A team or two may take him of their boards..but not 32 of them. The kid is just too good..

[casmith07]

You don't have a clue of what you're talking about and I used to think that was limited to only football related subjects.

I didn't even direct my post at you, but it appears I've struck a nerve.

[casmith07]

This is my main concern with him. Putting philosophical differences aside ( and I'm with the - pot ain't no big deal camp - ) the bottom line is that it's not permitted within the league's rules, just like most supplements aren't either. Short of steroids, and even them ( to a certain extent ), I don't have a problem with the over the counter supplements that this guys want to take, but it's not allowed, so obey the rules and move on.

Also, and I hate to say this because it sounds snobbish, the choice of friends need to change. If your circle of friends has people that, you know, play outside the law, you have to remove yourself from their lives as much as possible. The NFL is a major, major business now and you need to treated as such. Think of nearly 2,000 CEO jobs and you're going to enter as a prefered understudy, only you have to follow certain rules. Why are you going to jeopardize that opportunity by not following them ?

Before the arrest, I was dreaming that this guy would be falling to the Cowboys. Now, however, I'd have to be totally convinced, as in thorough background investigation and intensive interviews, in order to select him. And I truly hate the fact that he might turn out to be another Warren Sapp story and the Cowboys look like the Vikings did that year, but the thought of him turning out to be another Aqib Talib scares the living daylight out of me.

:clap2:

What is so hard to grasp about this?

[realtick]

I didn't even direct my post at you, but it appears I've struck a nerve.

burm wrote that post to me, you responded referencing the post using a general application of "they." Who are you specifically accusing of being a "pothead" then?

Man up for once. Don't run from your comments.

[jterrell]

Kirkpatrick is a very long corner which can play havoc with their hips for coverage. He also has the questions with the law. But he also has crazy good game tape and the size to handle large WRs.

Like any player you consider high there is lot so homework to do.

I wouldn't take him off my board but I'd want some assurances this kid is alright.

Mike Jenkins had some character knocks too and has worked out fine in that area for us.

[Idgit]

Who cares about pot? I don't want dumb players who lack judgement.

Anybody really want to take the other side of that argument? I mean, anybody anyone here takes seriously?

[realtick]

Who cares about pot? I don't want dumb players who lack judgement.

Anybody really want to take the other side of that argument? I mean, anybody anyone here takes seriously?

"Terence Newman is our best cornerback."

Thanks for playin'

[RoyTheHammer]

Also an example of stupidity if they were irresponsible about it. Same difference.

The Cowboys need players who are smart enough to make wise decisions. I repeat: No boneheads!

Was Mark Stephnoski a bonehead?

Seemed like a pretty bright guy who had a pretty great career for us.

[RoyTheHammer]

The buffoons who predicted his draft stock would plummet now have an excuse when he gets selected top 20...

Little did you guys know, this little story doesn't change anything..he was going top 20 no matter what

Bingo.

The only ones who even cared about this story were the media types trying to blow it up into a huge deal and some of the fans on here who were crying and moaning about his terrible character because he smoked a little grass. Funny stuff though.

[Idgit]

Who cares about pot? I don't want dumb players who lack judgement.

Anybody really want to take the other side of that argument? I mean, anybody anyone here takes seriously?

So...nobody anybody takes seriously wants to argue for selection a player with incredibly poor judgement and an obvious problem with a league-controlled substance with our first pick in the first round? Thank God.

[Idgit]

Kirkpatrick is a very long corner which can play havoc with their hips for coverage. He also has the questions with the law. But he also has crazy good game tape and the size to handle large WRs.

Like any player you consider high there is lot so homework to do.

I wouldn't take him off my board but I'd want some assurances this kid is alright.

Mike Jenkins had some character knocks too and has worked out fine in that area for us.

Ooops. jterrell, I spoke too soon. I take your opinion seriously.

I'm surprised you'd even consider going there. He's a very good player, true, but who wants to consider dealing with weed-suspensions, no matter how good the player is? And what assurances could there be between now and the draft that he's alright?

[RoyTheHammer]

"Terence Newman hasn't been thaaaaaat bad..."

:muttley:

He's entertaining at least, isn't he?

[realtick]

Ooops. jterrell, I spoke too soon. I take your opinion seriously.

I'm surprised you'd even consider going there. He's a very good player, true, but who wants to consider dealing with weed-suspensions, no matter how good the player is? And what assurances could there be between now and the draft that he's alright?

"Terence Newman hasn't been thaaaaaat bad..."

Yes, we're all ears waiting for your next gem Mr. PeopleTakeMeSeriouslySaysMe!

[realtick]

:muttley:

He's entertaining at least, isn't he?

A tragic comedy watching T-New play, but nowhere near the levity of watching his Last of the Mohican supporters try to blindly defend him.

[casmith07]

burm wrote that post to me, you responded referencing the post using a general application of "they." Who are you specifically accusing of being a "pothead" then?

Man up for once. Don't run from your comments.

If you want to read it that broadly, that's on you.

I didn't quote you, nor did I say "realtick" at any point.

A for effort, F for execution.

[visionary]

Kirkpatrick is a very long corner which can play havoc with their hips for coverage. He also has the questions with the law. But he also has crazy good game tape and the size to handle large WRs.

Like any player you consider high there is lot so homework to do.

I wouldn't take him off my board but I'd want some assurances this kid is alright.

Mike Jenkins had some character knocks too and has worked out fine in that area for us.

not sure i agree with you here JT
IIRC the knock on jenkins had to do with effort and the willingness to tackle
he did well from that standpoint this year but last year he had major issues in the regard

first round picks need to be leaders, the bed rock of your team, the ones that pull everyone else up when things are looking bleak not people who start dogging it

to me what jenkins did last year was unforegiveable and will show up again

i am not a jenkins fan

[visionary]

wonder how many times this will have to be posted before certain posters GET IT:

Pot is banned in the NFL. It is illegal. If you get caught with it nothing good happens. If you get tested positive you are in trouble.
Those DUMB enough to do this and get caught are TOO STUPID for us to draft.

this ^^^
not a difficult concept to grasp

[burmafrd]

this ^^^
not a difficult concept to grasp


you look at who thinks its not a problem and you understand why.

[Gaede]

Who cares about pot? I don't want dumb players who lack judgement.


He's young. It happens. People frequently make poor decisions in college.

Does he have poor judgement on the field? I haven't seen any reports about that. So why would you call him a dumb player? A dumb kid, sure, but that doesn't make him a dumb football player. It's a leap to say because he's a dumb kid that he's a dumb player. There's a big difference between the two terms.

The type of character issues that concern me with a player are lack of effort, disdain for authority, that type of thing. On the field stuff. So I wouldn't go jumping around claiming he's a dumb player when the thing he did that was dumb has nothing to do with playing at all.

And what about the severity of the incident? Does that not matter? His friend in his car had a joint. That's what we're talking about. He's not Sam Hurd here.

[Idgit]

He's young. It happens. People frequently make poor decisions in college.

Does he have poor judgement on the field? I haven't seen any reports about that. So why would you call him a dumb player? A dumb kid, sure, but that doesn't make him a dumb football player. It's a leap to say because he's a dumb kid that he's a dumb player. There's a big difference between the two terms.

The type of character issues that concern me with a player are lack of effort, disdain for authority, that type of thing. On the field stuff. So I wouldn't go jumping around claiming he's a dumb player when the thing he did that was dumb has nothing to do with playing at all.

And what about the severity of the incident? Does that not matter? His friend in his car had a joint. That's what we're talking about. He's not Sam Hurd here.

Everybody in the draft is young. That goes without saying. And I have zero issue with pot smoking in general. The issue is the judgement that goes with being caught, after midnight, driving on the wrong side of the road, in a car with pot, and under the influence, so close to the draft.

When it comes to judgement calls that can keep you out of games, it does matter what choices these guys make off the field.

[casmith07]

Everybody in the draft is young. That goes without saying. And I have zero issue with pot smoking in general. The issue is the judgement that goes with being caught, after midnight, driving on the wrong side of the road, in a car with pot, and under the influence, so close to the draft.

When it comes to judgement calls that can keep you out of games, it does matter what choices these guys make off the field.

It makes me sad that you have to actually continually break it down into the layman's of layman's terms around here.

[Idgit]

It makes me sad that you have to actually continually break it down into the layman's of layman's terms around here.

Yeah. I understand the take that 'it was an isolated incident, and it's worth the risk because he's a great CB and we need one badly.' I don't agree with it, but I understand it completely. The 'it doesn't really matter because it happened off the field' argument just doesn't make any sense, though. If it's got potential on-the-field consequences, then of course it matters.

[JackWagon]

Its going to be a draft mistake ... ooo shiny a corner that dropped to our pick.

[casmith07]

Yeah. I understand the take that 'it was an isolated incident, and it's worth the risk because he's a great CB and we need one badly.' I don't agree with it, but I understand it completely. The 'it doesn't really matter because it happened off the field' argument just doesn't make any sense, though. If it's got potential on-the-field consequences, then of course it matters.

If it wasn't an illegal activity with big time consequences in the NFL, then I'd be more willing to let it slide in the former category.

For example, a public intoxication citation I would be more willing to overlook.

[Gaede]

It makes me sad that you have to actually continually break it down into the layman's of layman's terms around here.

It makes me sad that you continue to paint people with the same brush.

Idgit makes a very persuasive argument, and I understand his position because at least he takes the time to, oh I don't know, make an argument. As opposed to, 'you're all pot-smokers so you've no idea what you're talking about'

[casmith07]

It makes me sad that you continue to paint people with the same brush.

Idgit makes a very persuasive argument, and I understand his position because at least he takes the time to, oh I don't know, make an argument. As opposed to, 'you're all pot-smokers so you've no idea what you're talking about'

Not what I said, and again you're doing a realtick and painting yourself with a brush that I wasn't even directing at you.

[realtick]

It makes me sad that you continue to paint people with the same brush.

Idgit makes a very persuasive argument, and I understand his position because at least he takes the time to, oh I don't know, make an argument. As opposed to, 'you're all pot-smokers so you've no idea what you're talking about'

It makes laugh that he keeps running from it. "I..I...wasn't talking to you...I said they."

Well, who is they? Who are you talking about then?

His answer: [silence]

Shameful, but par for the course with that type.

[RoyTheHammer]

you look at who thinks its not a problem and you understand why.

Such as.. all the GM's in the NFL.

As i said before, let's reconvene after the draft when he doesn't fall at all, and then we can all have a good laugh about how inconsequential this whole thing was to the people that matter.

[fortdick]

The fact is he is a kid. He decided he would put his personal interests ahead of his professional interests. All kids do this. However, it is usually an indication of what is to come. We can take him, and hope that in a few years he will grow out of it. He very well might and have a great career. Then again, he very not and become a problem. Will he continue to place his own interests ahead of the professional needs?

It is a risk. The question is are you willing to use a first round pick on him when there are other talents out there that didn't put their personal interests first?

[burmafrd]

Such as.. all the GM's in the NFL.

As i said before, let's reconvene after the draft when he doesn't fall at all, and then we can all have a good laugh about how inconsequential this whole thing was to the people that matter.


and if he is picked at the end of the second rd?

Will you own up?

I doubt it.


And its not like you know what GMs are thinking anyway.

[RoyTheHammer]

and if he is picked at the end of the second rd?

Will you own up?

I doubt it.

And its not like you know what GMs are thinking anyway.

If he lasts that long i hope we take him with our second round pick, and i seriously doubt it.

I may not know what GM's are thinking, but i know where BJ Raji was selected in the draft 3 years ago.. and he had far more maturity concerns than Dre does currently.

[Frozen700]

I still wouldn't take him at 14. I won't be shocked if Dallas takes him off their draft board.

Buffoon out...

Id take him or Janoris.....

Yes i know the perception on them, but sometimes all people need is a chance, to prove they have changed.

We all make mistakes as humans. Some change faster than others.

[Frozen700]

If he lasts that long i hope we take him with our second round pick, and i seriously doubt it.

I may not know what GM's are thinking, but i know where BJ Raji was selected in the draft 2 years ago.. and he had far more maturity concerns than Dre does currently.

Exactly....

[realtick]

Somebody is going to forget to tell the HOF that Warren Sapp once got caught smoking pot before the draft.

[burmafrd]

Somebody is going to forget to tell the HOF that Warren Sapp once got caught smoking pot before the draft.


but they certainly penalized Irvin and Bullet, didn't they?

[Doomsday101]

Id take him or Janoris.....

Yes i know the perception on them, but sometimes all people need is a chance, to prove they have changed.

We all make mistakes as humans. Some change faster than others.

Yes there will be change like more money in his pocket so he can do some real stupid things. :laugh2:

Kid has talent but if the Cowboys pick him and they are wrong that be a big set back. Heck I would take Brandon Boykin good talent and looks to be a much safer pick.

[casmith07]

Id take him or Janoris.....

Yes i know the perception on them, but sometimes all people need is a chance, to prove they have changed.

We all make mistakes as humans. Some change faster than others.

The one positive that Jenkins has over Kirkpatrick is that his issues are long past - over a year, basically.

Kirkpatrick was being an idiot 2 months out from the combine. Not the kind of judgment you want to see out of a potential Top 15-20 pick when you're going to be spending that kind of money on a premium position.

Look at the Bucs and Aqib Talib.

[realtick]

Brilliant!

If the 'error in judgement' happened within 90 days of the draft, it's unforgivable and will forever characterize 21-year old, and should therefore stigmatize him the rest of his life.

If it's been more than >90 days since the event, the mistake in question becomes less egregious. At 120 days the memory of the event will officially become fuzzy. At a 300+ days, the character of the person is now fully restored.

Unfortunately for Kirkpatrick, because of the timing of event, it is literally impossible for him to learn from the event.

[Idgit]

The one positive that Jenkins has over Kirkpatrick is that his issues are long past - over a year, basically.

Kirkpatrick was being an idiot 2 months out from the combine. Not the kind of judgment you want to see out of a potential Top 15-20 pick when you're going to be spending that kind of money on a premium position.

Look at the Bucs and Aqib Talib.

IDK, these guys can go a year or two between arrests. I'd just as soon take a player I know is clean up until the day I draft him.

The good news, though, is there are a ton of other character traits I'm sure we're looking at that go over and above occasional bad judgement. I operate by default that if you're wasted and driving on the wrong side of the road prior to an arrest on a minor drug charge, you're probably also the type to fail our leadership screening for other reasons, too. I think that's usually going to be the case, but if Kirkpatrick is an exception to the rule, it'll probably be apparent in how he conducts himself elsewhere.

[casmith07]

IDK, these guys can go a year or two between arrests. I'd just as soon take a player I know is clean up until the day I draft him.

The good news, though, is there are a ton of other character traits I'm sure we're looking at that go over and above occasional bad judgement. I operate by default that if you're wasted and driving on the wrong side of the road prior to an arrest on a minor drug charge, you're probably also the type to fail our leadership screening for other reasons, too. I think that's usually going to be the case, but if Kirkpatrick is an exception to the rule, it'll probably be apparent in how he conducts himself elsewhere.

Well reasoned and fair assessment.

[fanfromvirginia]

They won't get it, because they're pot smokers themselves.

Pretty offensive. Thanks for the broad brush. Perhaps those of us who can see some shades of grey here can just label you and others Puritans?

[casmith07]

Pretty offensive. Thanks for the broad brush. Perhaps those of us who can see some shades of grey here can just label you and others Puritans?

You're a couple of days late for the butthurtedness over sarcasm.

[JackWagon]

Pretty offensive. Thanks for the broad brush. Perhaps those of us who can see some shades of grey here can just label you and others Puritans?

They dont call it the BibleBelt for nothin.

[fanfromvirginia]

You're a couple of days late for the butthurtedness over sarcasm.

It's never too late for butthurtedness over sarcasm as far as I'm concerned.

[CCBoy]

It's sounds suspicious because it likely is a bogus story. It doesn't bother ms one bit because marijuana is such a minor thing in reality.

Seriously, apparently it would be shocking for some folks to know that college age kids drink alcohol too, and a vast majority of them underage...

Why folks have some twisted view of weed like it's the equivalent of being a smack addict or being strung-out on coke.

Like anything it can be abused but it's no less dangerous than alcohol. Medicinal marijuana spots are popping up like Quiznos.

Just being stone cold realistic here...don't look harder, for you'll also see drug cartel money backing a lot of prominent undertakings in that arena as well.

That has no direct considerations of use. But is in the game...

[CCBoy]

Somebody is going to forget to tell the HOF that Warren Sapp once got caught smoking pot before the draft.

Yea, but Warren Sapp can dance with the Stars...:)

[casmith07]

It's never too late for butthurtedness over sarcasm as far as I'm concerned.

:laugh1:

well-played.

[CCBoy]

Pretty offensive. Thanks for the broad brush. Perhaps those of us who can see some shades of grey here can just label you and others Puritans?

Or possibly the direct knowledge that one doesn't find many 'sergeant rocks' in a group of recruits getting off the bus. No matter how many cheer them, still with their hair, getting off that bus.

[realtick]

Pretty offensive. Thanks for the broad brush. Perhaps those of us who can see some shades of grey here can just label you and others Puritans?

His backpedal was better than Terence Newman's. But that ain't saying much.

Well worth it.