Madonna lip sync?

[Doomsday101]

It's no surprise that following a live performance fans will debate on whether or not the performer sang live.

Following the end of the halftime show for the 2012 Super Bowl, some fans were wondering: Did Madonna lip sync?

Countless stories have been written since about Madonna, 53, miming the words of her 12-minute halftime performance at the Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis while the Twitter world reveled in the fact that Madge's vocals for "Vogue," "Music," "Give Me Your Luvin'" and "Like a Prayer" were pre-taped.

"The only thing Madonna proved during the Super Bowl 46 show is her irrelevance; the halftime show was so obviously lip synced that it was painful. Madonna, though, did lip sync perfectly in time, which is much easier said than done," SB Nation wrote Sunday evening.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/293656/20120206/madonna-lip-sync-halftime-super-bowl-video.htm

[Doomsday101]

Not a big fan of lip sync. Show some guts and put your talent on the line when it counts.

[Sam I Am]

I spotted the fact that she was lip-syncing immediately. I mean within 3-5 seconds. I told my wife and she said no way. Then about 30 seconds later, she agreed. :laugh2:

Milli-Vanilli-Madonna

[casmith07]

You watched it? I went for more queso and beer.

[CowboyDan]

Yes she lip synched, as most dancer/singers do in a performance like that.

Which brings me to my next point......Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band put on the best Super Bowl halftime show ever! :) No lip synching there, and they played their own instruments too!

[Phoenix]

Who cares...I mean, that one chick flipping off the entire world during the performance was real enough.

[Wimbo]

After last years terrible half time show by the Black Eyed Peas, I am fine with a pop act lip-syncing during a big stage performance like that. It really is necessary for today's pop sound, considering all of the voice altering technology that is used & over tracking. Doesnt bother me at all. I enjoyed the performance, and thought Madonna looked pretty good for 53. Much better performance than what Lady Gaga is doing now (and she is supposed to be the new Madonna). Personally, this isn't my style of music. I would rather have a live rock show.

That said, any live performance is a nightmare to produce for live audience and TV audience at the same time.

[Doomsday101]

After last years terrible half time show by the Black Eyed Peas, I am fine with a pop act lip-syncing during a big stage performance like that. It really is necessary for today's pop sound, considering all of the voice altering technology that is used & over tracking. Doesnt bother me at all. I enjoyed the performance, and thought Madonna looked pretty good for 53. Much better performance than what Lady Gaga is doing now (and she is supposed to be the new Madonna). Personally, this isn't my style of music. I would rather have a live rock show.

That said, any live performance is a nightmare to produce for live audience and TV audience at the same time.

It might be a nightmare but for me I expect performers to perform not lip sync. Put your talent out there at least live acts put it on the line

[crazytown41]

I spotted the fact that she was lip-syncing immediately. I mean within 3-5 seconds. I told my wife and she said no way. Then about 30 seconds later, she agreed. :laugh2:

Milli-Vanilli-Madonna
Milli Vanilli never sang their own songs. Madonna does. Just not live ;)

[Wimbo]

It might be a nightmare but for me I expect performers to perform not lip sync. Put your talent out there at least live acts put it on the line

I hear ya. For all we know, the NFL required it of her and the rest of the performers there. Lots of paranoia after Janet's nipple-gate.

[Doomsday101]

I hear ya. For all we know, the NFL required it of her and the rest of the performers there. Lots of paranoia after Janet's nipple-gate.

That has not been the case in many of the acts in recent times who have performed live. Fact is Madonna does it all the time. It is a dance and act routine done to lip sync and frankly not something I care for.

A true artist in my view puts in on the line when they get on stage not using the protection of studio recordings that can make you sound a lot better than maybe you are.

Sorry just a pet peeve of mine, your talent should do the talking for you

[JohnsKey19]

While a great performer in her day, she was never really a good singer. So it wouldn't be a surprise that she lip-synced in a live performance given 20+ years past her prime.

[JonJon]

It was a very bizarre halftime show to say the least.

[CATCH17]

How about the staged bird flipping?

[Hoofbite]

Obvious as all hell it was lip synced.

Everyone knew it.

Someone in the room pointed out how the pom poms couldn't be heard at all as she was waving them around right next to the mic.

[Doomsday101]

Obvious as all hell it was lip synced.

Everyone knew it.

Someone in the room pointed out how the pom poms couldn't be heard at all as she was waving them around right next to the mic.

she had the silent pom pom, new from Bridgestone. :laugh2:

[Phoenix]

Deadspin had an article that linked to another article that wondered if the entire halftime show was a secret satanic ritual?

:eek:


http://worldtruth.tv/satanic-ritual-performed-at-the-nfl-half-time-show/#.TzCzYymmgRQ.facebook

[Yeagermeister]

I knew she was from the first second and after she almost busted her ***. :laugh1:

[kimrose]

Yeah, you could tell she was. You can't jump up and down and spin around and hold your voice that steady, it's gonna jump around, too. And there were parts, when they were jumping and spinning, that the mike wasn't even up to her mouth, but the volume did not waver. But the half time show producers do prefer lip synching over live, to alleviate mistakes and possibly terrible vocals.

All in all, I thought it was a great performance and was quite happy with it. And I thought she looked fantastic, regardless of her age. But, I've always been a huge Madonna fan, so I'm partial like that. ;)

[vta]

You watched it? I went for more queso and beer.

:laugh2:

Yeah I too found something better to do while that nonsense was going on.

[bounce]

Not a big fan of lip sync. Show some guts and put your talent on the line when it counts.

It's not totally about talent. Performing live at an event like that has so much margin for error. She could lose the feed to her ears/monitors. Musicians could get the wrong tempos. There are way too many things that can go wrong on national television, and it's a huge risk. Especially in a heavily choreographed routine.

[Doomsday101]

It's not totally about talent. Performing live at an event like that has so much margin for error. She could lose the feed to her ears/monitors. Musicians could get the wrong tempos. There are way too many things that can go wrong on national television, and it's a huge risk. Especially in a heavily choreographed routine.

Yes and she does it on all of her tours as well. Yes it is a risk and good musicians are willing to take that risk every night they get on stage. If your enjoyment is watching people dancing around on stage great myself I don't think much of her or the other so called Musicians who lip sync

[bounce]

Yes and she does it on all of her tours as well. Yes it is a risk and good musicians are willing to take that risk every night they get on stage. If your enjoyment is watching people dancing around on stage great myself I don't think much of her or the other so called Musicians who lip sync

That's fine. I don't dig her music or that genre, but what she does (dancing every single second she is on stage and singing the whole time) is different than a Springsteen or Clapton or any other bands who stay relatively still and sing.

And I think you'd be surprised who does and doesn't lip sync at least some.

[Risen Star]

Yeah, I watched it. She's a legend and deserves that respect, IMO. I knew immediately she was lip synching, but I don't know if that's all that terrible in a venue that size. I think you might put on a better show lip synching in a huge stadium like that.

[WoodysGirl]

The question I ask who didn't think she wasn't going to lip sync? She's not the strongest vocalist, in general, so I had no doubt that she was gonna lip sync when I heard she was going to be the half time performer.

Even some national anthems that are sung in big events like this are lip sync'd. It's not unusual for these type of things.

[realtick]

Forget lip-synching, her attempt at dancing was comical. What was that wheelbarrel thing she was trying to do?

[Risen Star]

Forget lip-synching, her attempt at dancing was comical. What was that wheelbarrel thing she was trying to do?

Cut her some slack, she's not a spring chicken anymore.

[anava]

Cut her some slack, she's not a spring chicken anymore.

Then she shouldnt do it. It was horrible.

[Juke99]

Lip synch or not, she's a no talent.

Big rule of mine...If a performer can't simply stand at a mic and perform and capture an audience, without a cast of hundreds....props...costumes...pyrotechnics...lavi sh sets and costumes...in my book, they are without talent.

Her early recordings...vocal tracks were very slightly sped up in the final mixes to give her voice a unique sound....that's why, live, it never sounded exactly the same.

Zero musical talent...she does though have talents that helped her to become a star...but they had nothing to do with music.

[Doomsday101]

Lip synch or not, she's a no talent.

Big rule of mine...If a performer can't simply stand at a mic and perform and capture an audience, without a cast of hundreds....props...costumes...pyrotechnics...lavi sh sets and costumes...in my book, they are without talent.

Her early recordings...vocal tracks were very slightly sped up in the final mixes to give her voice a unique sound....that's why, live, it never sounded exactly the same.

Zero musical talent...she does though have talents that helped her to become a star...but they had nothing to do with music.

I agree. Entertainer yes, musician no.

Frankly I like her acting better than her singing.

[kimrose]

Lip synch or not, she's a no talent.

Big rule of mine...If a performer can't simply stand at a mic and perform and capture an audience, without a cast of hundreds....props...costumes...pyrotechnics...lavi sh sets and costumes...in my book, they are without talent.

Her early recordings...vocal tracks were very slightly sped up in the final mixes to give her voice a unique sound....that's why, live, it never sounded exactly the same.

Zero musical talent...she does though have talents that helped her to become a star...but they had nothing to do with music.

Hey Juke! How the heck are you?? It's Lane's wife, Kim.

Did you like Tom Petty's half time show a few years ago? IMO, it was one of the best. Some might find it boring, but I've seen him live, and standing still or not, his performances are great. True talent.

[bbgun]

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[vta]

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Talentless *****s.

[RoyTheHammer]

It might be a nightmare but for me I expect performers to perform not lip sync. Put your talent out there at least live acts put it on the line

Its much easier for a band like Bruce Springsteen to not lip sync their performance than someone like Madonna, who has to dance the entire time as well. I see no problem with it for people who are singer/dancers. Its not a question of their talent to be able to sing.. everyone knows Madonna can sing. Its a question of losing your breath from the huge dance performance you are pairing with the singing as well, and any of us should completely understand that.

[realtick]

Its much easier for a band like Bruce Springsteen to not lip sync their performance than someone like Madonna, who has to dance the entire time as well. I see no problem with it for people who are singer/dancers. Its not a question of their talent to be able to sing.. everyone knows Madonna can sing. Its a question of losing your breath from the huge dance performance you are pairing with the singing as well, and any of us should completely understand that.

Beyonce does it. Just sayin'

:)

[RoyTheHammer]

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Maybe you didn't make the connection, but that guy was one of the three guys they had on stage from the commercial pushing whatever product was sponsoring the halftime show. Those guys were props, not musicians..

[RoyTheHammer]

Beyonce does it. Just sayin'

:)

I don't watch pop performers much, but i think it'd be a bit different if she was doing a super bowl sized performance like that where you are out there dancing for like 30 minutes straight.

Also, if she was 80 like Madonna haha.

[vta]

I don't watch pop performers much, but i think it'd be a bit different if she was doing a super bowl sized performance like that where you are out there dancing for like 30 minutes straight.

Also, if she was 80 like Madonna haha.

Her performance was 12 minutes for the Super Bowl.

[RoyTheHammer]

Her performance was 12 minutes for the Super Bowl.

Guess it just felt alot longer because i hate pop music, lol.

[Doomsday101]

Its much easier for a band like Bruce Springsteen to not lip sync their performance than someone like Madonna, who has to dance the entire time as well. I see no problem with it for people who are singer/dancers. Its not a question of their talent to be able to sing.. everyone knows Madonna can sing. Its a question of losing your breath from the huge dance performance you are pairing with the singing as well, and any of us should completely understand that.

I have heard all that before bottom line she is a studio singer, she does not do it live. I'm not impressed by her, I respect her more as an actor than a singer.

I think if you are a true musician then you perform live if you can't then to me it is just people dancing on stage to a CD and studio can make you sound much better than you are. Just a pet peeve of mine, those who enjoy her shows great just not my cup of tea

[RoyTheHammer]

I have heard all that before bottom line she is a studio singer, she does not do it live. I'm not impressed by her, I respect her more as an actor than a singer.

I think if you are a true musician then you perform live if you can't then to me it is just people dancing on stage to a CD and studio can make you sound much better than you are. Just a pet peeve of mine, those who enjoy her shows great just not my cup of tea

Eh.. Madonna was around long before we've had all this studio equip that can make anyone into a singer nowadays. I think its pretty universally known that she can sing well. Again, the issue is more cardio than talent, imo.

Next time you go on a run or hit the treadmill at the gym, try to sing.. see how it turns out haha.

[Doomsday101]

Eh.. Madonna was around long before we've had all this studio equip that can make anyone into a singer nowadays. I think its pretty universally known that she can sing well. Again, the issue is more cardio than talent, imo.

Next time you go on a run or hit the treadmill at the gym, try to sing.. see how it turns out haha.

I know how long she has been around and again if you like it fine I don't. I expect musicians to perform and do so live not lip sync. That is her that is what she does as do some others and those who like that is fine my own view I don't care of it and do not have much respect for it. I sure as hell would not pay money to watch a person dancing on stage lip syncing.

As for the tread mill comment she is paid big money other artist are very active on stage and they don't lip sync. Is the vocals perfect no but it is not suppose to be they are performing live.

[RoyTheHammer]

I know how long she has been around and again if you like it fine I don't. I expect musicians to perform and do so live not lip sync. That is her that is what she does as do some others and those who like that is fine my own view I don't care of it and do not have much respect for it. I sure as hell would not pay money to watch a person dancing on stage lip syncing.

I don't like it at all.. i hate pop music, lol. To each their own.. if you don't like it, don't watch it. That doesn't mean she isn't talented though. Just means if im doing jumping jacks for 10 minutes straight i probably wouldn't sound good trying to sing a song during that time, haha.

For all we know, they could have asked her to lay down a base track beforehand so that, like you said, she wouldn't have sounded bad during the performance trying to dance and sing at the same time. I think people just like to nitpick silly things like this because they have to have something to be outraged about at all times.

Does anyone really care that much that she lip synced? Seriously?

[Doomsday101]

I don't like it at all.. i hate pop music, lol. To each their own.. if you don't like it, don't watch it. That doesn't mean she isn't talented though. Just means if im doing jumping jacks for 10 minutes straight i probably wouldn't sound good trying to sing a song during that time, haha.

Talent is in the eye of the beholder, you may think she is a great talent I don't. As for not watching her I don't, had she not been doing the half time show I would not have seen her then. Other artist are also very active on stage the vocals are not perfect they are live. So what if she runs around dances and the vocals are not just as they are on the CD at least it would be live

[Juke99]

Hey Juke! How the heck are you?? It's Lane's wife, Kim.

Did you like Tom Petty's half time show a few years ago? IMO, it was one of the best. Some might find it boring, but I've seen him live, and standing still or not, his performances are great. True talent.

I've seen Tom Petty in concert a half dozen times. he's great.

And imagine that, he can actually write a song...play and instrument...and sing live. Gee.

How are ya?

[RoyTheHammer]

Talent is in the eye of the beholder, you may think she is a great talent I don't. As for not watching her I don't, had she not been doing the half time show I would not have seen her then. Other artist are also very active on stage the vocals are not perfect they are live. So what if she runs around dances and the vocals are not just as they are on the CD at least it would be live

Like i said.. to each their own. Again, for all we know, they asked her to lay down the vocals beforehand so that the singing performance wouldn't be crappy as she was running around doing her dance performance.

In the grand scheme of things, its not worth two seconds discussing. Who really cares?

[Juke99]

I agree. Entertainer yes, musician no.

Frankly I like her acting better than her singing.

I never trust lavish productions. It's like a huge shell game to distract from the fact that the performer is mininally talented, at best.

AND if there is a huge production, dandy...so long as that same performer can sit at a piano and play...or pick up a guitar and sing...

McCartney does an amazing show around the song "Live and Let Die"...but it's the rare exception in his shows...and he uh, can actually play an instrument...or two...or three...

[Juke99]

Its much easier for a band like Bruce Springsteen to not lip sync their performance than someone like Madonna, who has to dance the entire time as well. I see no problem with it for people who are singer/dancers. Its not a question of their talent to be able to sing.. everyone knows Madonna can sing. Its a question of losing your breath from the huge dance performance you are pairing with the singing as well, and any of us should completely understand that.

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We do?

Is that why they sped up all her mixes in her early recordings and process the hell out of every one of her vocal tracks?

Sorry, your logic is backwards. The reason Springsteen doesn't have to put on a HUGE stage production is because in fact, he actually has talent.

Let me see Madonna stand at a microphone, accompanied by just a band and sing a song that she actually wrote.

Please.

[Juke99]

Madonna...the "singer"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sApD6LqWghI&feature=player_detailpage

[RoyTheHammer]

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We do?

Is that why they sped up all her mixes in her early recordings and process the hell out of every one of her vocal tracks?

Sorry, your logic is backwards. The reason Springsteen doesn't have to put on a HUGE stage production is because in fact, he actually has talent.

Let me see Madonna stand at a microphone, accompanied by just a band and sing a song that she actually wrote.

Please.

Actually, you're right to an extent. Not in saying Madonna has no talent, but thinking about it.. she's always been known more for her lavish performances rather than her straight up singing ability.. although she sounds just fine, imo.

The problem is some of you are trying to compare her to actual bands, people who play instruments for a living, when what she does and what bands like Bruce Springsteen do are completely different.

Madonna sings, but also gives huge dance performances that have become her trademark and paved the way for people like Beyonce who do what they do now. If you're looking for her to sit down at a mic and play an instrument and sing a song, you simply arn't going to get it because that isn't what her performances are about. With her, its more about the show than it is about the music, and im sure the guys and gals responsible for picking the halftime performer knew this.

It wasn't a concert they were looking to put on, it was a grand, lavish performance.. and they got one. They dancing is just as big a part of it, if not more, than the singing.

There's a reason she's the top selling female recording artist of all time, and the top solo artist in the history of the Billboard charts.. and number 2 all time behind only the Beatles.. and in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

..and its not because she has no talent.

Also, there have been times where its just been her and her guitar with a mic on stage.. no grand production. Not what she's known for, but she's done it.

[bbgun]

The only thing I'll add is that patrons have a right to know ahead of time if they're purchasing a live or lip synced performance. "Truth in advertising" shouldn't just apply to wrinkle removers.

[Juke99]

Actually, you're right to an extent. Not in saying Madonna has no talent, but thinking about it.. she's always been known more for her lavish performances rather than her straight up singing ability.. although she sounds just fine, imo.

The problem is some of you are trying to compare her to actual bands, people who play instruments for a living, when what she does and what bands like Bruce Springsteen do are completely different.

Madonna sings, but also gives huge dance performances that have become her trademark and paved the way for people like Beyonce who do what they do now. If you're looking for her to sit down at a mic and play an instrument and sing a song, you simply arn't going to get it because that isn't what her performances are about. With her, its more about the show than it is about the music, and im sure the guys and gals responsible for picking the halftime performer knew this.

It wasn't a concert they were looking to put on, it was a grand, lavish performance.. and they got one. They dancing is just as big a part of it, if not more, than the singing.

There's a reason she's the top selling female recording artist of all time, and the top solo artist in the history of the Billboard charts.. and number 2 all time behind only the Beatles.. and in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

..and its not because she has no talent.


No, I'm not comparing her to bands...I'm comparing her to people with talent as MUSICIANS.

Let's compare her to Norah Jones. Fair comparison?

Let's give each one a week to come back with a song (they have written ) and perform it solo....live. Solo. No big extravagant production. Just each one, the instrument of their choice and a microphone.

Yeah, there's a reason shes the top selling female recording artist...she's been promo'ed to be that. As an aside, what has sales of records got to do with talent? She's the front person for a very highly organized and fabulously run, marketing machine.

If the dancing is more important than the singing, then let her go on Dancing with the Stars.

My point is, fine....call her a show person...call her what you will...but dont call her a musician or a singer; musicians MAKE music...singers sing...she can't do either.

[RoyTheHammer]

No, I'm comparing her to bands...I'm comparing her to people with talent as MUSICIANS.

Let's compare her to Norah Jones. Fair comparison?

Let's give each one a week to come back with a song (they have written ) and perform it solo....live. Solo. No big extravagant production. Just each one, the instrument of their choice and a microphone.

Yeah, there's a reason shes the top selling female recording artist...she's been promo'ed to be that. As an aside, what has sales of records got to do with talent? She's the front person for a very highly organized and fabulously run, marketing machine.

If the dancing is more important than the singing, then let her go on Dancing with the Stars.

My point is, fine....call her a show person...call her what you will...but dont call her a musician or a singer; musicians MAKE music...singers sing...she can't do either.

I'll call her an artist.. a recording artist.. because that's what she is.

She's won awards for her vocals, for her performance, and for her songwriting.

You obviously don't appriciate her talents.. that doesn't mean they arn't there. You continue to compare her to singers, when its obvious that isn't what her style is about. Singing is only a small part of her appeal. Its mainly about the extravegant performance.. and she was able to put on grand performances in her day.

That's why so many people liked her and why so many bought tickets to see her and why so many bought her albums. She doesn't need your or my approval, she's been a great performer for a long time and she has the sales to back it up. Many, many people wanted and paid to see her perform. There's no greater proof of talent or success than that. There are few more successful artists than i can think of than her.

[Juke99]

I'll call her an artist.. a recording artist.. because that's what she is.

She's won awards for her vocals, for her performance, and for her songwriting.

You obviously don't appriciate her talents.. that doesn't mean they arn't there. You continue to compare her to singers, when its obvious that isn't what her style is about. Singing is only a small part of her appeal. Its mainly about the extravegant performance.. and she was able to put on grand performances in her day.

That's why so many people liked her and why so many bought tickets to see her and why so many bought her albums. She doesn't need your or my approval, she's been a great performer for a long time and she has the sales to back it up. Many, many people wanted and paid to see her perform. There's no greater proof of talent or success than that. There are few more successful artists than i can think of than her.


A "recording artist"?????

A recording artist who can't write music...can't play an instrument...and is marginal as a vocalist...

On the one hand you're all about her extravagant performance, on the other, she's a recording artist? Sales don't prove anything about talent.

Question, do you know anything about the art of recording? Are you aware that her vocal tracks were ALL sped up to create a better sound to her voice...and then after that, when vocal processors became available, all her vocals were processed to High Heavens?

Madonna was the beginning of the end of real pop music ...great shows if that's what you're into.

Recording artist? I think not.

Anyway, I know better than to continue these types of discussions. Nice to banter with you. You'll have your opinion, I'll have mine. I'm a musician...published songwriter....and from one who knows the industry, I can comfortably say, she has the musical ability of a gnat.

[RoyTheHammer]

A "recording artist"?????

A recording artist who can't write music...can't play an instrument...and is marginal as a vocalist...

On the one hand you're all about her extravagant performance, on the other, she's a recording artist? Sales don't prove anything about talent.

Question, do you know anything about the art of recording? Are you aware that her vocal tracks were ALL sped up to create a better sound to her voice...and then after that, when vocal processors became available, all her vocals were processed to High Heavens?

Madonna was the beginning of the end of real pop music ...great shows if that's what you're into.

Recording artist? I think not.

Anyway, I know better than to continue these types of discussions. Nice to banter with you. You'll have your opinion, I'll have mine. I'm a musician...published songwriter....and from one who knows the industry, I can comfortably say, she has the musical ability of a gnat.

Yes, she's a recording artist.. that's what she is. Period.

She's proven to be able to write music and play the guitar.. won awards for her songwriting even, as i already said.. so not sure what you're babbling about there.

As for you being a musician, that's great.. but you'll never have the success or the popularity that she has had in her career as an artist. You won't have the millions upon millions of people pay to come out to see your performances or the millions pay to listen to your songs. I can see where you'd be a bit jealous of her success, as a fellow artist, when you think she doesn't have a great voice. And hey, you may be right about that, she may only have a marginal voice.. but again, the singing was only a part of her entire performance.

[kimrose]

I've seen Tom Petty in concert a half dozen times. he's great.

And imagine that, he can actually write a song...play and instrument...and sing live. Gee.

How are ya?
Doin' alright, Juke. Doin' alright. Thanks.

Yes, Tom Petty is an amazing talent. He is still one of my favorites. Still one of the best hands down. Especially since today's music is filled with egomaniacs who have minimal talent at best.

[jimmy40]

Guess it just felt alot longer because i hate pop music, lol.I have to do this.
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[WoodysGirl]

Yes, she's a recording artist.. that's what she is. Period.

She's proven to be able to write music and play the guitar.. won awards for her songwriting even, as i already said.. so not sure what you're babbling about there.

As for you being a musician, that's great.. but you'll never have the success or the popularity that she has had in her career as an artist. You won't have the millions upon millions of people pay to come out to see your performances or the millions pay to listen to your songs. I can see where you'd be a bit jealous of her success, as a fellow artist, when you think she doesn't have a great voice. And hey, you may be right about that, she may only have a marginal voice.. but again, the singing was only a part of her entire performance.
The richest people in the music industry aren't singing in front of millions. I like Madonna, but to suggest he'll never have her riches isn't true if you know how the music business works.

Some of the biggest pop songs in the world are written by people you wouldn't even recognize on the streets. I can almost guarantee you that.

[realtick]

My point is, fine....call her a show person...call her what you will...but dont call her a musician or a singer; musicians MAKE music...singers sing...she can't do either.

How about calling her a "performer" or "entertainer?"

[RoyTheHammer]

The richest people in the music industry aren't singing in front of millions. I like Madonna, but to suggest he'll never have her riches isn't true if you know how the music business works.

Some of the biggest pop songs in the world are written by people you wouldn't even recognize on the streets. I can almost guarantee you that.

That's cute and all.. but clearly not what i was referring to. I meant what you can measure in dollars and cents. People paying good money to come see you night after night, buying tickets, your album's, your merchandise, etc, etc..

Clearly, she was doing something right, because people flocked to her by the millions and wanted to see her perform.

..and her being the single greatest selling solo act of all time also shows people wanted to hear her music, as well.

[Quickdraw]

I'd rather see marching bands or the punt, pass and kick competition. These halftime shows are boring.

[Doomsday101]

That's cute and all.. but clearly not what i was referring to. I meant what you can measure in dollars and cents. People paying good money to come see you night after night, buying tickets, your album's, your merchandise, etc, etc..

Clearly, she was doing something right, because people flocked to her by the millions and wanted to see her perform.

..and her being the single greatest selling solo act of all time also shows people wanted to hear her music, as well.

They flock to the Jonas Brothers to I would not call that music. :lmao2:

[kimrose]

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This is still one of the grooviest songs. Not great voices, processed music track, no great guitar solo in the middle........but I love it.:tunes:

Oh, and Madonna does write most of her own lyrics.

[kimrose]

Two of my favorite Madonna songs.

"Secret", which she wrote with record producer/music remixer, Shep Pettibone:
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"Take A Bow", which she wrote with Babyface, who also sang backup vocals on the track:
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[MC KAos]

Lady Gaga can at least sing, she has a great voice and can play a lot of instruments. Madonna was basically what Katy perry is back in the 80s.

Also, my favorite super bowl halftime show was prince! That little dude has talent!

[Juke99]

How about calling her a "performer" or "entertainer?"

Works for me...but she's not a "recording ARTIST" and she's not a musician...and while she "sings" (I sing too...in the shower and at birthday parties when they bring out the cake) she ain't a singer. If she was, she wouldn't have been tracked in at the SB and they wouldn't run her voice through vocal processors and speed up her vocal track to hide the fact that she can't sing.

Also, as far as this nonsense about how many records she has sold, I guess since our Cowboys sell out and also sell the most merchandise, they must be the greatest team ever. :rolleyes:

[jimmy40]

Works for me...but she's not a "recording ARTIST" and she's not a musician...she'll always have that skank thing to fall back on

[Juke99]

she'll always have that skank thing to fall back on

Well indeed...that's the uh, "performer" in her..if ya know what I mean. :D

[arglebargle]

I respect Madonna most because she's a real sharp businesswoman. She's continually able to reinvent herself and keep in the public eye. This, in the music entertainment industry, a place designed to rip off the 'talent' with endless layers of parasitic leeches.

Say what you will about her talent and skill, she beat the sharks at their own games.

[Juke99]

I respect Madonna most because she's a real sharp businesswoman. She's continually able to reinvent herself and keep in the public eye. This, in the music entertainment industry, a place designed to rip off the 'talent' with endless layers of parasitic leeches.

Say what you will about her talent and skill, she beat the sharks at their own games.

Great. Then let her appear on The Apprentice. :)

[arglebargle]

Great. Then let her appear on The Apprentice. :)

Super Bowl halftime show is never about great music. The sooner we accept that, the less cranky we'll be about it.

[realtick]

Lady Gaga can at least sing, she has a great voice and can play a lot of instruments. Madonna was basically what Katy perry is back in the 80s.

Also, my favorite super bowl halftime show was prince! That little dude has talent!

Wait, Katy Perry is a horrible dancer, but the girl can absolutely sing.

[realtick]

IIRC, I heard a stat saying the average age of the past 10 Super Bowl halftime performers was something like 57 or 58.

[Juke99]

Super Bowl halftime show is never about great music. The sooner we accept that, the less cranky we'll be about it.

You missed the conversation here...I'm not cranky about the half time shows...I'm cranky about Madonna being referred to as a great recording artist and a super talented vocalist and musician.

[MC KAos]

Wait, Katy Perry is a horrible dancer, but the girl can absolutely sing.

have you ever heard any of her live performances? how about the song "firework"?

"make me go HI(crack up) Hi (crack up)"

her voice is terrible, but she is attractive and makes catchy music.

[Vtwin]

I wonder how Madonna would have done in the time before MTV and videos.

Would she have had the success she had if most of her exposure was via FM radio?

I don't think so.

I'm one of those nut cases that shuts his eyes at concerts. Music is about the sound not the visual.

[vta]

I wonder how Madonna would have done in the time before MTV and videos.

Would she have had the success she had if most of her exposure was via FM radio?

I don't think so.

I'm one of those nut cases that shuts his eyes at concerts. Music is about the sound not the visual.

She wouldn't have. Trends and occasion create opportunity. The visual aspect has aided a whole new 'genre' of entertainers who have to rely less and less on viable musical talent, as long as they present an interesting, shocking or appealing image.

Take that personal concert test with her music and close your eyes. 'Burning up for your love' isn't pushing the boundaries of lyrical and musical genius, but her writhing around with teasing glimpses down her blouse was enough to generate interest.

Without music video she would have probably taken a different route like acting, regardless of the fact that she's a dreadful actress.

[TheCount]

Lady Gaga can at least sing, she has a great voice and can play a lot of instruments. Madonna was basically what Katy perry is back in the 80s.

Also, my favorite super bowl halftime show was prince! That little dude has talent!

Gaga can sing, but "great voice" is pushing it. She's a performer, and there's nothing wrong with that, but she's not a "great" vocalist.

[realtick]

have you ever heard any of her live performances? how about the song "firework"?

"make me go HI(crack up) Hi (crack up)"

her voice is terrible, but she is attractive and makes catchy music.

Lol, every singer that's ever performed will have moments where they don't hit the note correctly or "crack." These people are performing weeks on end, year after year. It's like criticizing a pitcher for missing the strikezone or a QB for failing to connect on a bomb, and then surmizing they can't do what their job titles say they can.

Google "Beyonce voice cracking" and you'll get dozens of hits.

I've seen Perry (on TV) perform and her voice fade or crack. I've also seen her perform her music pitch perfect and brilliantly.

You have to understand, Katy Perry isn't up there because she can dance, or is insanely beautiful, she made it because she can sing. She wasn't some pretty face walking on Malibu beach that some record exec. thought he could make a star out of.

[realtick]

Gaga can sing, but "great voice" is pushing it. She's a performer, and there's nothing wrong with that, but she's not a "great" vocalist.

I've said for a awhile that Gaga is likely this generation's Madonna.

Having said that, I think Gaga is a lot more talented than Madonna in terms of singing ability and being an actual musician.

She would do well to get her beak fixed though; she's got a cute little body, but quite the honker.