The Walking Dead...

[MichaelWinicki]

Wow!

I didn't see that ending coming!

Not much zombie action, but the ending took me by surprise.

Good episode.

[punchnjudy]

Kinda funny, in the previous episode Rick led the undead to the barn, but he wouldn't even consider bringing back an Eagles fan, lol.

[zrinkill]

Always good to see a disgusting Philadelphia slob get shot in the face.

:laugh2:

[cowboyeric8]

Haha definitely didn't see that coming. I thought we were going to get new characters. Rick ended that thought pretty quickly. Haha

[jnday]

Wow!

I didn't see that ending coming!

Not much zombie action, but the ending took me by surprise.

Good episode.

Real good episode . I am glad the show is back .

[iceberg]

Wow!

I didn't see that ending coming!

Not much zombie action, but the ending took me by surprise.

Good episode.

i didn't like it. it was a departure from what they've done to date.

we spend a month looking for a little girl and we kill 2 new characters in 10 minutes.

this is about defining rick and they could have done it better. how they did it was out of character from how they got here.

i like where it's going to be sure but this was a hiccup.

[Future]

The whole second season, including tonight, other than Barnageddon has been a major disappointment.

[Idgit]

The whole second season, including tonight, other than Barnageddon has been a major disappointment.

Really? I think it's been a better season, overall, than season one. I couldn't get past the finale in the first season, which I thought was needlessly hokey with effects requirements that exceeded AMCs budget.

[Joe Rod]

I thought a few episodes of season two drug a little, but Rick putting those two guys down was awesome! The show focused on Ricks compassion and morals for a lot of episodes, but it is really the first time in a while that they reminded the viewers that Rick was indeed a lawman and a good one at that. Last night was first time I have seen that Rick since the first ten minutes of episode one. He knew what those two men were and knew how to handle it with no hesitation.

Anyone thinking that those two guys were randomly killed are just flat out wrong. He knew that they were trying to feel them out to get to the farm and clean them out and there are more on the way.

We are missing the one thing that a post Apocalypse world should have plenty of; Morally checked out humans that will take what they want to survive. Shane could qualify down the road, but he is not quite there while he has Carl and Lori to hang his humanity on. There are more of that group on the way and the pace of the last seven episodes should be fantastic.

[MichaelWinicki]

Good description Joe.

I sat there thinking after the final scene, that the show took a "Road Warrior" path.

I didn't think Rick would man-up so fast... even though he was "pushed" when one of the baddies went for his weapon. But after the one guy walked over and pissed on the floor, the message was given that these two no longer had respect for anything– living or dead.

So instead of dragging it out and taking the two new visitors back to farm so they could create mayhem or even trying to ditch them, the standoff was ended short & sweet by Rick's faster gun.

Shane's bad-guy meter fell a couple of points with the caring he showed for Carol and her fragile mindset.

That's why this is a good show. The folks aren't all good or all bad. It's the potential for them to do something you wouldn't expect that makes the show interesting.

[Future]

Really? I think it's been a better season, overall, than season one. I couldn't get past the finale in the first season, which I thought was needlessly hokey with effects requirements that exceeded AMCs budget.
They turned it way too much of a soap opera for my tastes. Season 1 was about blasting zombies while season 2 has been about everyone whining about their problems. I understand that the show is supposed to be about the characters and how they change or whatever as the world goes to ****, but I mean it turned into a snoozer for a while.

[Idgit]

They turned it way too much of a soap opera for my tastes. Season 1 was about blasting zombies while season 2 has been about everyone whining about their problems. I understand that the show is supposed to be about the characters and how they change or whatever as the world goes to ****, but I mean it turned into a snoozer for a while.

Yeah, it dragged a bit, for sure, when they got to the haven of the farm. I have a feeling we're about to get a lot more zombies in the next few weeks.

[jnday]

:D Good description Joe.

I sat there thinking after the final scene, that the show took a "Road Warrior" path.

I didn't think Rick would man-up so fast... even though he was "pushed" when one of the baddies went for his weapon. But after the one guy walked over and pissed on the floor, the message was given that these two no longer had respect for anything– living or dead.

So instead of dragging it out and taking the two new visitors back to farm so they could create mayhem or even trying to ditch them, the standoff was ended short & sweet by Rick's faster gun.

Shane's bad-guy meter fell a couple of points with the caring he showed for Carol and her fragile mindset.

That's why this is a good show. The folks aren't all good or all bad. It's the potential for them to do something you wouldn't expect that makes the show interesting.
You have a good point . There are many shades of gray with each situation that they face . The bad will surprise with a good deed and the good will let you down at times . Much like real life .

[Joe Rod]

By the way, for those of you that don't already know, they changed the leadership of the show and last night's episode was the first exclusively produced under Glenn Mazzara (The Shield). Frank Darabont was let go after being in charge of season one and having his hands on the first eight episodes of season two.

[MichaelWinicki]

By the way, for those of you that don't already know, they changed the leadership of the show and last night's episode was the first exclusively produced under Glenn Mazzara (The Shield). Frank Darabont was let go after being in charge of season one and having his hands on the first eight episodes of season two.

Oh yeah, that's right.

Frank (from my understanding) didn't want to deal with more inside shots in order to work within the confines of a smaller budget.

We'll see how it plays out.

[Joe Rod]

Oh yeah, that's right.

Frank (from my understanding) didn't want to deal with more inside shots in order to work within the confines of a smaller budget.

We'll see how it plays out.

Mazzara was the only one of the group that had television producing experience. I think that the pace of the show will speed up and there will be more weekly suspense thrown in for the last five episodes of the season. He is probably going to push all of them off of that farm through some type of force, be it human, zombie or both.

[BrAinPaiNt]

That whole scene was set up nice. You had an old fashioned wild west saloon standoff.

You got the one guy talking about getting the gun off a cop with a smirk. When rick says he is a cop they guy says well it was a dead cop. But you could tell he was kind of bragging about it. No other use to bring up where he got the gun. I think Rick probably feels that the guy killed the cop before taking the gun.

The fat guy peeing in the saloon was basically another alpha male move to show he can mark his territory. We also got the fat guy making the comment of not having any action and hoping to get some if he went to the farm but apologizes after saying it.

Another thing that I noticed after it all went down is the bad guy wearing a shark on his shirt...intentionally symbolism or not?

Rick's cop sense took over and he knew the guys were bad when they kept pressing the issue. And we have to remember that the guy went for the gun first so rick took them out.

I think Rick, and the others, sensed these guys are a group that was not trying to join a group to help, they would want to join the group to take everything the group had and move on.

I liked that whole scene.

[Denim Chicken]

That whole scene was set up nice. You had an old fashioned wild west saloon standoff.

You got the one guy talking about getting the gun off a cop with a smirk. When rick says he is a cop they guy says well it was a dead cop. But you could tell he was kind of bragging about it. No other use to bring up where he got the gun. I think Rick probably feels that the guy killed the cop before taking the gun.

The fat guy peeing in the saloon was basically another alpha male move to show he can mark his territory. We also got the fat guy making the comment of not having any action and hoping to get some if he went to the farm but apologizes after saying it.

Another thing that I noticed after it all went down is the bad guy wearing a shark on his shirt...intentionally symbolism or not?

Rick's cop sense took over and he knew the guys were bad when they kept pressing the issue. And we have to remember that the guy went for the gun first so rick took them out.

I think Rick, and the others, sensed these guys are a group that was not trying to join a group to help, they would want to join the group to take everything the group had and move on.

I liked that whole scene.

Yeah, me too. But that Asian kid should have had a bead on that fat guy as soon as unloosed his holster.

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

Yeah, me too. But that Asian kid should have had a bead on that fat guy as soon as unloosed his holster.

I agree, they could have made Glenn look a bit more manly by having him take out the fat dude, but Rick really looked like a ****** taking them both out.

[iceberg]

That whole scene was set up nice. You had an old fashioned wild west saloon standoff.

You got the one guy talking about getting the gun off a cop with a smirk. When rick says he is a cop they guy says well it was a dead cop. But you could tell he was kind of bragging about it. No other use to bring up where he got the gun. I think Rick probably feels that the guy killed the cop before taking the gun.

The fat guy peeing in the saloon was basically another alpha male move to show he can mark his territory. We also got the fat guy making the comment of not having any action and hoping to get some if he went to the farm but apologizes after saying it.

Another thing that I noticed after it all went down is the bad guy wearing a shark on his shirt...intentionally symbolism or not?

Rick's cop sense took over and he knew the guys were bad when they kept pressing the issue. And we have to remember that the guy went for the gun first so rick took them out.

I think Rick, and the others, sensed these guys are a group that was not trying to join a group to help, they would want to join the group to take everything the group had and move on.

I liked that whole scene.

yea, after thinking about it, i was too harsh on it. rick did what he had to do and i think he needs to show he can use force when needed and not all the time like shane.

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree, they could have made Glenn look a bit more manly by having him take out the fat dude, but Rick really looked like a ****** taking them both out.

Herschel and Glenn were about as useless as you could get.

[Yeagermeister]

I agree, they could have made Glenn look a bit more manly by having him take out the fat dude, but Rick really looked like a ****** taking them both out.

Glenn has only killed walkers. He's never had to kill a living human. So it's not surprising for his character to not act.

[Yeagermeister]

Herschel and Glenn were about as useless as you could get.

Herschel was three sheets to the wind

[Future]

Yeah, it dragged a bit, for sure, when they got to the haven of the farm. I have a feeling we're about to get a lot more zombies in the next few weeks.
Hopefully, especially because that means they're leaving the farm, which is way too static.

[Phoenix]

I hope this is available on Hulu+ tonight...I watched the Grammy's and missed this.

[punchnjudy]

I know I'm overthinking this, but during that verbal exchange I wondered why neither party suggested that the strangers find another farm in that area. If they haven't been overrun by walkers all this time, it's unlikely that farms nearby are crawling with them either. And, judging by apperances, they already had a food supply.

I had no problem with the ending though. Rick wants to stay at the farm to raise his kid and those two would have made an already tense situation impossible. Besides, he could have blasted them after "Philly" and I would have understood (just kidding Philly Cowboys fans). At first, I thought those two characters were going to be similar to the two bad arses that joined the resistance in the original V miniseries (even the body types matched) but they turned out to be even more anti-social.

[Future]

I hope this is available on Hulu+ tonight...I watched the Grammy's and missed this.
Check sidereel it's probably already posted.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I know I'm overthinking this, but during that verbal exchange I wondered why neither party suggested that the strangers find another farm in that area. If they haven't been overrun by walkers all this time, it's unlikely that farms nearby are crawling with them either. And, judging by apperances, they already had a food supply.

I had no problem with the ending though. Rick wants to stay at the farm to raise his kid and those two would have made an already tense situation impossible. Besides, he could have blasted them after "Philly" and I would have understood (just kidding Philly Cowboys fans). At first, I thought those two characters were going to be similar to the two bad arses that joined the resistance in the original V miniseries (even the body types matched) but they turned out to be even more anti-social.

I have not understood why rick and his group have not looked for another farm. They could find one close and that way they could get to hershel, when the wife needed him for the pregnancy, while at the same time maintaining some distance.

[MichaelWinicki]

I have not understood why rick and his group have not looked for another farm. They could find one close and that way they could get to hershel, when the wife needed him for the pregnancy, while at the same time maintaining some distance.

That's a valid point.

Maybe it's psychological.

Or maybe the rest of the group isn't into the whole farm thing. I think the only two that have said that they wanted to stay at the farm has been Rick and his wife. Shane makes no bones about moving on. Glenn doesn't seem married to sticking around on this or any nearby farm.

I think that Rick looks up to Herschel and that's why he desires staying on this farm rather than finding one of his own.

The whole thing could be mute. I wouldn't be surprised if the farm doesn't get over-run.

Sorta like what happened to the group outside of Atlanta. Eventually the Z's run out of food and begin to wander to new areas.

Eventually the group is going to need something with a wall or some sort of barrier.

[trickblue]

Wasn't that guy Rick shot, Renee' from TrueBlood Season 1?

[trickblue]

After watching Talking Dead, their friends are looking for them...

Seems like a major blunder by Rick...

[jnday]

That's a valid point.

Maybe it's psychological.

Or maybe the rest of the group isn't into the whole farm thing. I think the only two that have said that they wanted to stay at the farm has been Rick and his wife. Shane makes no bones about moving on. Glenn doesn't seem married to sticking around on this or any nearby farm.

I think that Rick looks up to Herschel and that's why he desires staying on this farm rather than finding one of his own.

The whole thing could be mute. I wouldn't be surprised if the farm doesn't get over-run.

Sorta like what happened to the group outside of Atlanta. Eventually the Z's run out of food and begin to wander to new areas.

Eventually the group is going to need something with a wall or some sort of barrier.
If they follow the comic book , they are going to get behind walls . In a prison of all places . I am beginning to wonder if you are smarter than trickb gives you credit for .:laugh2:

[Yeagermeister]

Wasn't that guy Rick shot, Renee' from TrueBlood Season 1?

Yeap same guy

[SaltwaterServr]

Good description Joe.

I sat there thinking after the final scene, that the show took a "Road Warrior" path.

I didn't think Rick would man-up so fast... even though he was "pushed" when one of the baddies went for his weapon. But after the one guy walked over and pissed on the floor, the message was given that these two no longer had respect for anything– living or dead.

So instead of dragging it out and taking the two new visitors back to farm so they could create mayhem or even trying to ditch them, the standoff was ended short & sweet by Rick's faster gun.

Shane's bad-guy meter fell a couple of points with the caring he showed for Carol and her fragile mindset.

That's why this is a good show. The folks aren't all good or all bad. It's the potential for them to do something you wouldn't expect that makes the show interesting.

Pulp fiction: Everyone is either good or bad, and no shades of grey. You like 'em, you hate 'em. Life is simple. The plot is simple.

Good Fiction: Everyone, even the lead protagonist, has good and bad characteristics that can manifest themselves as dominant traits depending on the situation the character finds themselves in. Life is complex, as it really is. People are sometimes irrational, as they really are. The plot is complex. The characters, real.

One of the great lessons I took home from my creative writing class at Texas State.

[trickblue]

Yeap same guy

That was the best season of Trueblood... and that guy had the only authentic accent... he was really good and the best bad guy yet (Denis O'Hare is a close second)...

[TheCount]

Herschel and Glenn were about as useless as you could get.

lol, good lord. This is what happens when you actually try to develop characters and have them stick to their development.

What have you seen in 2 seasons that would make you believe Glenn or Hershel are ready to confront two crazy dudes with guns?

[MichaelWinicki]

If they follow the comic book , they are going to get behind walls . In a prison of all places . I am beginning to wonder if you are smarter than trickb gives you credit for .:laugh2:

Trick over-estimates me. :D

I guess I've watched too many zombie movies, shows or read zombie-related fiction (or is it non-fiction? Hmm). But a common denominator is "Get walls between the zombies and the survivors."

Panic room
House
Mall
City with walls around it

Heck in Max Brook's "World War Z", the Rocky Mountains are used as a "wall" to separate the survivors on the west side from the zombie horde on the east.

Any situation like the one on the farm where a group of survivors needs to post a look-out because they do not have the security of walls... Well that's going to wear on them.

[MichaelWinicki]

lol, good lord. This is what happens when you actually try to develop characters and have them stick to their development.

What have you seen in 2 seasons that would make you believe Glenn or Hershel are ready to confront two crazy dudes with guns?

You're absolutely right.

I think Herschel would be more likely to go "Rambo" after he went on a bender.

Glenn?

The short-chubby intruder would have been doing the "Deliverance dance" with Glenn in no time flat.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Was quite unimpressed with that episode. Up until the end it was really dragging on.

[Joe Rod]

Trick over-estimates me. :D

I guess I've watched too many zombie movies, shows or read zombie-related fiction (or is it non-fiction? Hmm). But a common denominator is "Get walls between the zombies and the survivors."

Panic room
House
Mall
City with walls around it

Heck in Max Brook's "World War Z", the Rocky Mountains are used as a "wall" to separate the survivors on the west side from the zombie horde on the east.

Any situation like the one on the farm where a group of survivors needs to post a look-out because they do not have the security of walls... Well that's going to wear on them.

I just noticed your "Z" term in another post. Coined from World War Z?

[MichaelWinicki]

I just noticed your "Z" term in another post. Coined from World War Z?

Oh yeah.

I mean the term "zombie" is kinda passé.

I remember someone used the term "Bags of puss" in the "Day of the Dead", while being cool and all is way too long for me to type out each time. :D

[xout]

Tonight's episode was pretty great. Good zombie kills, good story telling.

The whole Rick/Lori/Shane angle needs to hurry and playout though..

[punchnjudy]

So did anybody get bored during that episode??

You really do have to admire the way that zombie kept coming through the windshield even with the glass peeling back the skin on his face. That's commitment. Garrett should show that clip next time he gives an "expectations" speech.

Anybody else find it strange than an alpha-male like Shane wouldn't have turned his attention to the farmer's daughter by now? I think he would have forgotten about ol' what's-her-name at the first sight of her. "Oh yeah, you're right, honey. It was Rick's baby. Later."

I'm thinking it might be time for Dale to go bye-bye. At this point, his only contribution is whining about Shane. Why didn't he get in the car to help look for Rick's wife? Somebody from the main group will have to get eaten or shot eventually, and he's looking like a prime candidate.

In real life, I would expect Daryl to interject between the two lovebirds and tell them to shut the bleep up already. I'm ready for that to end as well.

[xout]

Dale has kinda become the Debbie Downer of the group. I doubt he makes it to Season 3... Which sucks because I liked him in Season 1.

The glass peeling the zombie's face was epic. I think that was Lori's first official zombie kill, so she did pretty well for herself.

The thing about the love triangle we've got going on is that I think Lori just convinced Rick that Shane is infact dangerous and will not be just willing to live and let live. I hate it because I see Shane dead before the end of the season, and he's the strongest male character. I like Rick but Shane's craziness adds a lot to the dynamics of the show.

I think we may start to see some more living characters with the whole Randall arc. Will be interesting to see if he becomes a character or if he dies off fairly quickly.

[trickblue]

I liked tonight's episode...

I was listening to Opie & Anthony this week and they had Andrew Lincoln (Rick) on as a guest as they are big fans of the show...

First of all, he has a very profound English accent so it was quite surprising to hear him talk.

He said that fans are going to be quite surprised by the last half of this season. He said there will be all kinds of twists and turns and that he is sworn to secrecy and he hasn't even shared them with his wife.

His only hint was that they realize the farm isn't quite as safe as they thought it was, and to hold on because the series is going to take some turns that you couldn't imagine in your wildest dreams...

Hope he is right...

[MichaelWinicki]

I thought the episode was very good.

I think the problem with predicting Shane's demise, and it's easy to do at this point– almost too easy.

So far the show has been good at throwing curves at us with characters and what's going to happen.

Seeing the previews of next week's show, with the Rick/Shane altercation, and Rick standing there with blood all over him seems like a setup to me.

The Shane/Lori/Rick triangle seems to be progressing way too quickly.

I think the show is going to weave characters in & out and that's what's happening with Dale's character at the moment. Glenn's getting a little more character development and that's OK too.

I still think the farm is going to get over-run. It will be interesting to see if any of the farm-based characters survive and continue on with the group.

[CliffnMesquite]

For a moment there I thought Glenn was a gonner. Darn, there's always next week...

[trickblue]

Rick also said in that interview that what the scientist told him last year before he died in the season finale, has a lot to do with the direction of the show and how he operates as leader of the group...

He said no one in the cast knows what was said except for him, the writers and the actor that played the part of the scientist...

[Future]

I can't stand this season. It's like every episode is bad and very little happens...and I'm still completely hooked :laugh2:

[punchnjudy]

I liked tonight's episode...

I was listening to Opie & Anthony this week and they had Andrew Lincoln (Rick) on as a guest as they are big fans of the show...

First of all, he has a very profound English accent so it was quite surprising to hear him talk.

He said that fans are going to be quite surprised by the last half of this season. He said there will be all kinds of twists and turns and that he is sworn to secrecy and he hasn't even shared them with his wife.

His only hint was that they realize the farm isn't quite as safe as they thought it was, and to hold on because the series is going to take some turns that you couldn't imagine in your wildest dreams...

Hope he is right...

Maybe Herschel's sick daughter has the virus? Got it from something other than a bite? That could tie in with the scientist's whisper.

[iceberg]

Maybe Herschel's sick daughter has the virus? Got it from something other than a bite? That could tie in with the scientist's whisper.

that's what they want you to think.

not what is happening.

[trickblue]

Maybe Herschel's sick daughter has the virus? Got it from something other than a bite? That could tie in with the scientist's whisper.

Who knows... I think the farm will be rushed by zombies...

I think the whisper will be more towards the season finale... if even then...

[iceberg]

Who knows... I think the farm will be rushed by zombies...

I think the whisper will be more towards the season finale... if even then...

that part is setup. the town is overrun, philly jerks are whizzing in the corner...

it is time to change and oddly enough, the old man is about to define more and change more than anyone.

i see that coming.

[trickblue]

philly jerks are whizzing in the corner...

Add this to the death and taxes thing...

[punchnjudy]

Who knows... I think the farm will be rushed by zombies...

I think the whisper will be more towards the season finale... if even then...

They did say the whisper would be revealed this season. Read that in an article last year.

In the sneak preview, Rick and Shane are fighting at some facility before Shane gets rushed by zombies and flees while Rick hides under a dead zombie in a dumpster (was probably thrown in the dumpster by Shane). If the area is that infested with zombies, then an attack on the farm is overdue.

Has anyone ever died on that show without being bitten or getting a head shot (or incinerated)?

[iceberg]

Add this to the death and taxes thing...

i love this series. the problem is that it is becoming a series you have to think to get.

we live in a headline generation.

BOSS is the best TV series i've ever seen but it loses people cause they have to "get it" and the walking dead is walking that line.

they will lose people the better they get.

[punchnjudy]

Dale has kinda become the Debbie Downer of the group. I doubt he makes it to Season 3... Which sucks because I liked him in Season 1.

The glass peeling the zombie's face was epic. I think that was Lori's first official zombie kill, so she did pretty well for herself.

The thing about the love triangle we've got going on is that I think Lori just convinced Rick that Shane is infact dangerous and will not be just willing to live and let live. I hate it because I see Shane dead before the end of the season, and he's the strongest male character. I like Rick but Shane's craziness adds a lot to the dynamics of the show.

I think we may start to see some more living characters with the whole Randall arc. Will be interesting to see if he becomes a character or if he dies off fairly quickly.

If Shane dies, I think they'll fill that role with the return of Merle.

[iceberg]

If Shane dies, I think they'll fill that role with the return of Merle.

he's been MIA too long.

[punchnjudy]

he's been MIA too long.

I don't they would have inferred that he stole their vehicle unless they were going to bring him back at some point, or were at least open to that possibility.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Well I have had to avoid the this thread as I did not get to watch the show until yesterday evening.

So off to some of my thoughts.

I agree with others, the zombie through the windshield was pretty wicked.

Shane is kind of interesting. The blonde girl hit it when she said that he means well (minus the otis part which she does not believe) in that he does the right thing but just goes about it the wrong way. I also think that his desire for Lori (sp?) is real and he truly believes the baby is his. Which would put anybody in an odd position. However the problem is Rick and you know he is thinking of a way of separating those two so he can have her to himself. I find it odd that he has not been closer to the blonde girl. They have had a sexual relationship in the car but it seems it has not went beyond that. She seems to be the only one that believes and supports him now however it does not seem like he cares. He is too infatuated with Lori. If he lives I wonder if he will eventually partner up with her.

Dale is going about things the only way he knows how. To win others to his view without getting violent. I think he sees how it can play out and does not want shane to kill Rick and it destroying lori and the boy. So he is doing things his way and swaying opinion on Shane to have everyone on his side.

Glenn is interesting as he is not scared of going on missions and putting himself in danger but now that might be changing as he loves the farmers daughter. It seems they want to show a direct contrast of what Shane, Rick and Lori will do for the love of another (put themselves in danger) vs what Glenn is thinking now. Love made the others do things while Glenn is doing the opposite and has lost his nerve.

Part of me thought that one of the other group that surrounded the bar would be Merle (sp?). Maybe we find out he is part of that group later...maybe he never resurfaces.

The other groups reaction (leaving their own) seems to further point to Rick's instincts when shooting the two men in the bar. He knew they were not the same. Even with Shane being a turd, he still we go out to help Lori and boy. The new group showed the one guy leaving one of their own and not even getting out of the truck to see if he could help. One has to wonder if the new guy (randall) ends up staying with Ricks group since they saved him while his other group left him.

I enjoyed Hershel basically telling shane to shut up and that it was his farm. It also should dawn on Shane that Rick was the one he talked hershel into letting shane stay.

Anyone feeling the tension between Daryl and Carol. Or is it Carol's way of showing Daryl that he did not give up on her daughter so she will not give up on him.

Also what is the deal with T-Dog? Not much story line for him for a long time now.

Also Lori is becoming Deb to me. By Deb I mean the Deb character from Dexter. The character that is important to the show but at the same time just kind of annoys you. She creates more drama than is needed and I have to wonder how long it takes before Rick rips her a new one. Last night when she was telling Rick everything and was rubbing his shoulders it seemed like she was really trying to totally manipulate Rick. That end look Rick had was interesting as you figure it had to be him thinking he had to make a hard decision about what to do with Shane. But I also think Rick has to wonder how much crap is he going to have to deal with concerning Lori. I also think this might go back to what the Doctor/Scientist whispered to him. I have a feeling he was told one or two things...that lori was pregnant and possibly that it was shane's baby. Even if he just told Rick that Lori was pregnant he has to weigh the idea that she has known for some time but only told him later.

[punchnjudy]

Lori seems like a character who doesn't know what she wants. I actually think Shane was right about her being in denial. She seemed happier before Rick came back despite being in more dangerous circumstances. Also, I can't remember the exact words, but early in the show (before the zombies came along) Rick made some reference to their marriage not being so great. Now she's clearly trying to manipulate Rick into offing Shane. Probably projecting her guilt onto him to some extent. As you said, she is the most annoying character but too important to the plot to be on the menu.

[Yeagermeister]

I said to my wife it would be funny if Merle was the leader of the other group.

[Joe Rod]

Well I have had to avoid the this thread as I did not get to watch the show until yesterday evening.

So off to some of my thoughts.

I agree with others, the zombie through the windshield was pretty wicked.

Shane is kind of interesting. The blonde girl hit it when she said that he means well (minus the otis part which she does not believe) in that he does the right thing but just goes about it the wrong way. I also think that his desire for Lori (sp?) is real and he truly believes the baby is his. Which would put anybody in an odd position. However the problem is Rick and you know he is thinking of a way of separating those two so he can have her to himself. I find it odd that he has not been closer to the blonde girl. They have had a sexual relationship in the car but it seems it has not went beyond that. She seems to be the only one that believes and supports him now however it does not seem like he cares. He is too infatuated with Lori. If he lives I wonder if he will eventually partner up with her.

Dale is going about things the only way he knows how. To win others to his view without getting violent. I think he sees how it can play out and does not want shane to kill Rick and it destroying lori and the boy. So he is doing things his way and swaying opinion on Shane to have everyone on his side.

Glenn is interesting as he is not scared of going on missions and putting himself in danger but now that might be changing as he loves the farmers daughter. It seems they want to show a direct contrast of what Shane, Rick and Lori will do for the love of another (put themselves in danger) vs what Glenn is thinking now. Love made the others do things while Glenn is doing the opposite and has lost his nerve.

Part of me thought that one of the other group that surrounded the bar would be Merle (sp?). Maybe we find out he is part of that group later...maybe he never resurfaces.

The other groups reaction (leaving their own) seems to further point to Rick's instincts when shooting the two men in the bar. He knew they were not the same. Even with Shane being a turd, he still we go out to help Lori and boy. The new group showed the one guy leaving one of their own and not even getting out of the truck to see if he could help. One has to wonder if the new guy (randall) ends up staying with Ricks group since they saved him while his other group left him.

I enjoyed Hershel basically telling shane to shut up and that it was his farm. It also should dawn on Shane that Rick was the one he talked hershel into letting shane stay.

Anyone feeling the tension between Daryl and Carol. Or is it Carol's way of showing Daryl that he did not give up on her daughter so she will not give up on him.

Also what is the deal with T-Dog? Not much story line for him for a long time now.

Also Lori is becoming Deb to me. By Deb I mean the Deb character from Dexter. The character that is important to the show but at the same time just kind of annoys you. She creates more drama than is needed and I have to wonder how long it takes before Rick rips her a new one. Last night when she was telling Rick everything and was rubbing his shoulders it seemed like she was really trying to totally manipulate Rick. That end look Rick had was interesting as you figure it had to be him thinking he had to make a hard decision about what to do with Shane. But I also think Rick has to wonder how much crap is he going to have to deal with concerning Lori. I also think this might go back to what the Doctor/Scientist whispered to him. I have a feeling he was told one or two things...that lori was pregnant and possibly that it was shane's baby. Even if he just told Rick that Lori was pregnant he has to weigh the idea that she has known for some time but only told him later.

I think Daryl will have some real decisions to make before this season is up. He is obviously having a difficult time after they found Sophia, but I'm pretty sure he will need to snap out of his funk when trouble does eventually come. Does he fight for the group when that happens or to save himself?

I also see some character upheaval before this season is done. Quite a few candidates when you consider Herschel and his kids aside from Maggie. It seems pretty obvious that Maggie and Glenn's storyline has some miles on it and Glenn is one of the better characters.

I personally think that Lori is not in the show for the duration. If Shane's character is to meet his demise, then Lori will have outlived her usefulness in the show. If Shane does somehow get offed, then I would expect Lori to have about another season left in her. They would get more miles out of Rick's sorrow than they would his worrying about Lori's safety.

I don't know where any of this leaves Andrea and T-Dog, but it wouldn't surprise me if we only have one of the two left to wonder about by the end of the season.

[MichaelWinicki]

Interesting thoughts Brain...

You know Merle may not show up again, that is possible.

One of the intersting things about the "Sopranos" is that many arcs weren't completed or they would stick new characters into the series without giving any sort of background story– and it didn't hurt that TV show.

While it seems that Shane's character isn't long for the show, I agree that his character is too interesting to get rid of (right now).

And to substitute Merle for Shane?

Not a good move in my book. Shane's an interesting character. Merle's character is too one-dimensional for me.

I don't think Lori's character is leaving any time soon, but we're starting to see that she has more back-bone than what she showed in the first season.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Interesting thoughts Brain...

You know Merle may not show up again, that is possible.

One of the intersting things about the "Sopranos" is that many arcs weren't completed or they would stick new characters into the series without giving any sort of background story– and it didn't hurt that TV show.

While it seems that Shane's character isn't long for the show, I agree that his character is too interesting to get rid of (right now).

And to substitute Merle for Shane?

Not a good move in my book. Shane's an interesting character. Merle's character is too one-dimensional for me.

I don't think Lori's character is leaving any time soon, but we're starting to see that she has more back-bone than what she showed in the first season.

Although it has been stated by the writers that everything in the show is not the same as in the comic books...I really would like to read the comics just to see how some things turn out.

In some ways I think it is better that I have not and probably will not read them as everything is new for me in the series.

[MichaelWinicki]

Although it has been stated by the writers that everything in the show is not the same as in the comic books...I really would like to read the comics just to see how some things turn out.

In some ways I think it is better that I have not and probably will not read them as everything is new for me in the series.

I've got the comic book that covers the first couple seasons and have read only up to the point of the group arriving at the farm.

I prefer the TV series characters myself. But yeah, some differences...

[Future]

I've got the comic book that covers the first couple seasons and have read only up to the point of the group arriving at the farm.

I prefer the TV series characters myself. But yeah, some differences...
Didn't Shane die long before they reached the farm in the comic book?

[MichaelWinicki]

Didn't Shane die long before they reached the farm in the comic book?

Oh yeah. Very early on. Shane was going apeshat at Rick and Carl offed me. Carl became aggressive very early in the comic.

[Phoenix]

Wish I could SEE this episode. AMC apparently still does not have it available. :(

[Joe Rod]

Wish I could SEE this episode. AMC apparently still does not have it available. :(

Well, I DVR'd it, so you can swing by and watch it if you have about twelve hours of round-trip drive time to spare. :p:

[Joe Rod]

Oh yeah. Very early on. Shane was going apeshat at Rick and Carl offed me. Carl became aggressive very early in the comic.

Just curios since you read the comic. Do you think they plan on introducing Tyreese at some point, or is his role somehow carried by the combination of Shane, Daryl and T-Dog?

[Phoenix]

Sure would love to see this episode! Hey! AMC! Can you PLEASE let us see it already on your website?! For crying out loud! How long do you make us wait????

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR



Tonight (no option to view the episode):

Explore Episode 9

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[MichaelWinicki]

Just curios since you read the comic. Do you think they plan on introducing Tyreese at some point, or is his role somehow carried by the combination of Shane, Daryl and T-Dog?

I think you hit it on the head... Tyreese became T-Dog and Daryl.

[iceberg]

I think you hit it on the head... Tyreese became T-Dog and Daryl.

isn't there some ninja chic in the comics? maybe i heard it here (in this thread?) but i heard she was rumored to come in.

[ZeroClub]

I finally caught up, watched two shows this morning. Good stuff.

There are so many big themes that get thrown around in post-apocalyptic stories. It's tough to beat.

I recognized the killed-in-bar-guy from Terriers (I was one of three people nationally to watch that show, apparently).

Windshield zombie was inspired.

I'm curious to see if the writers will have their characters going through too many character/personality changes (i.e., having characters behave in ways that aren't consistent with the characters themselves). Given the profound stress all of the characters are under, the writers have some latitude, but there is such a commitment to unpredictability in this show ....

[Romo 2 Austin]

The second episode really picked up.

Shane is the only character that makes' any sense. No one would ever act like any of the other characters in the same situations. Shane = Logic.

[xout]

Casting News...

Warning: Spoilers
(http://blogs.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/2012/02/david-morrissey-cast-as-the-governor.php)

[MichaelWinicki]

isn't there some ninja chic in the comics? maybe i heard it here (in this thread?) but i heard she was rumored to come in.

I haven't read the comins past the "farm" point, so I'm not sure, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[MichaelWinicki]

So, what was the thought on last nights episode?

The Shane/Rick battle was pretty good. Glad to see Shane still around... I didn't think they would remove his character just yet.

Good acting on his part, with the look on his face as he stood there, trapped in the bus, watching the guy he just had a knock-down fight with & and the kid he wanted shoot, take off for the car.

[MichaelWinicki]

Casting News...

Warning: Spoilers
(http://blogs.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/2012/02/david-morrissey-cast-as-the-governor.php)

A buddy of mine who has kept up with the comic book, "spoiled" that character for me.

That's good news though! 16 episodes for season 3. :)

[BrAinPaiNt]

So, what was the thought on last nights episode?

The Shane/Rick battle was pretty good. Glad to see Shane still around... I didn't think they would remove his character just yet.

Good acting on his part, with the look on his face as he stood there, trapped in the bus, watching the guy he just had a knock-down fight with & and the kid he wanted shoot, take off for the car.

It was a scene that showed that Rick is the better man and it gave Shane a little taste of right vs wrong because we know he would have left and not came back. One would hope that shane would learn the lesson here but I kind of doubt it because the previews show shane and the blonde girl kind of plotting. She is starting to drift toward shane's way of thinking even more.

I think we also see the start of the zombies coming to the farm. You see the one walker heading that way when they are going to drop the boy off and when they come back. You also see the walker group starting to chase after the car when they escape.

[Trendnet]

It was a scene that showed that Rick is the better man and it gave Shane a little taste of right vs wrong because we know he would have left and not came back. One would hope that shane would learn the lesson here but I kind of doubt it because the previews show shane and the blonde girl kind of plotting. She is starting to drift toward shane's way of thinking even more.

I think we also see the start of the zombies coming to the farm. You see the one walker heading that way when they are going to drop the boy off and when they come back. You also see the walker group starting to chase after the car when they escape.

Hopefully Lori gets eaten.

I don't know if it's the actress, or the way she's written, but I find her character insufferable.

"Let the men handle the security".... wow, she from the 50's or what?

[BrAinPaiNt]

Hopefully Lori gets eaten.

I don't know if it's the actress, or the way she's written, but I find her character insufferable.

"Let the men handle the security".... wow, she from the 50's or what?

Yeah...I said in another thread that she is getting on my nerves. She has become the deb character of the walking dead...Deb character from Dexter.

She might be important to the series but she is just annoying to no end.

On a side note...again we see basically nothing again from the T-Dog role...kind of a waste of a character if they are not going to use him.

[Future]

I really think those two security guards, who weren't bitten, are going to be very important when it comes down to it.

This is kinda my hypothesis, but I think what the doctor whispered to Rick was that the disease went airborn or something, and can be spread without a bite. That's why Rick would be so adamant that there were scratches on the guards since he knows that the disease could be "caught."

[Danny White]

I think you hit it on the head... Tyreese became T-Dog and Daryl.

isn't there some ninja chic in the comics? maybe i heard it here (in this thread?) but i heard she was rumored to come in.

They definitely need to add Tyreese and Michonne (ninja chic).

Those characters are central to the plotlines that will be approaching.


If you're interested in reading the comic in one big chunk, I'd recommend this:

http://www.amazon.com/Walking-Dead-Compendium-One/dp/1607060760

I got it for Christmas this past year, and it goes all the way through the first 48 volumes.

The comic is better in some ways... pacing, etc, but worse in others. The storytelling and depth of development is much better on the TV show. For those who complain that the TV show drags some times, the comic does NOT have that problem... it is very fast paced. But it does that at the expense of character and plot development many times.

The comic is also WAY more brutal. There are some very dark corners it turns down in there, that I'd be very surprised if the TV show is brave enough to pursue.

[Danny White]

isn't there some ninja chic in the comics? maybe i heard it here (in this thread?) but i heard she was rumored to come in.

Possible Casting Spoiler (http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/12/walking-dead-episode-213-rutina-wesley.html)

[BrAinPaiNt]

Possible Casting Spoiler (http://www.spoilertv.com/2011/12/walking-dead-episode-213-rutina-wesley.html)

The girl from true blood...hope she does not bring that accent with her. :D

[Joe Rod]

A buddy of mine has all the comics through this January and I read them all. I have not read a comic book since I was fourteen, but this series has me pretty hooked.

The "Ninja Chick" is named Michonne. She was a lawyer in the pre-apocolypse days.

The rumor about True Blood's Rutina Wesley was shot down as soon as it started. She fits the description of Michonne 100% though and I have no doubt that she could have spoken a better dialect than what she does on True Blood.

http://features.rr.com/article/03eL8ba9RMcnf

[Joe Rod]

I really think those two security guards, who weren't bitten, are going to be very important when it comes down to it.

This is kinda my hypothesis, but I think what the doctor whispered to Rick was that the disease went airborn or something, and can be spread without a bite. That's why Rick would be so adamant that there were scratches on the guards since he knows that the disease could be "caught."

You know, I had thought that myself, but Rick actually looked pretty surprised about there being no bites. Maybe he was just having a hard time dealing with it, but I think there is more to what the CDC guy told him.

[TheCount]

I thought last nights episode was fantastic, best of the season in my opinion.

As far as the bite-less zombies. It reminded me of a scene from World War Z, a book (that's being turned into a movie) where they talk about people that basically go insane from the epidemic and start acting like they are zombies even though they aren't. That's what immediately came to mind.

As far as it being able to be "caught", I always kind of laugh at how they basically get covered by zombie blood every time they fight them. Rick had some dried blood on his lips last night and I'm thinking, there's no way you shoot a bunch of zombies point blank and you dont' inhale droplets, get some in your eyes, in your mouth, on a scrape or scratch, etc. and yet not a single person has become a zombie from fluid transfer?

[zrinkill]

Shane = Logic.

Because he acts like a pissed off lovestruck teenager?

Give me a break ....... the guy is a base coward at heart ...... only acts like a tough guy when he has a physical or situational advantage.

[Danny White]

You know, I had thought that myself, but Rick actually looked pretty surprised about there being no bites. Maybe he was just having a hard time dealing with it, but I think there is more to what the CDC guy told him.

If you've read all the books, then you already know what this is leading up to.

[TheCount]

If you've read all the books, then you already know what this is leading up to.

Not necessarily. They are pretty significantly "off script" already. They've more or less abandoned the books at this point.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I thought last nights episode was fantastic, best of the season in my opinion.

As far as the bite-less zombies. It reminded me of a scene from World War Z, a book (that's being turned into a movie) where they talk about people that basically go insane from the epidemic and start acting like they are zombies even though they aren't. That's what immediately came to mind.

As far as it being able to be "caught", I always kind of laugh at how they basically get covered by zombie blood every time they fight them. Rick had some dried blood on his lips last night and I'm thinking, there's no way you shoot a bunch of zombies point blank and you dont' inhale droplets, get some in your eyes, in your mouth, on a scrape or scratch, etc. and yet not a single person has become a zombie from fluid transfer?

That is the part that cracks me up if they decide to go with the airborne idea.

That and the idea that they do not show the walkers sneezing and coughing much which is a big way airborne diseases are spread.

[MichaelWinicki]

I really think those two security guards, who weren't bitten, are going to be very important when it comes down to it.

This is kinda my hypothesis, but I think what the doctor whispered to Rick was that the disease went airborn or something, and can be spread without a bite. That's why Rick would be so adamant that there were scratches on the guards since he knows that the disease could be "caught."

Good catch on the part about not seeing bites.

A little "Zombie science" here...

Remember the first one "Night of the Living Dead" there was the mention of a radio-active satellite coming back to earth, which triggered the initial outbreak. In the "Night" remake (1990 I think), the first living-dead person encountered was a guy who was obviously had been prepped for his own funeral and then regained motor function.

You would think that even if every funeral home/morg in the US was filled, then there still wouldn't be enough of the living dead to create that many zombies that quickly. There had to be some sort of "agent" that killed folks and turned them into the undead without them being bitten.

Shane talked about the two-week's time that had passed between the time Rick went into the hospital for his gun shot and the time Shane went back and all hell broke loose. Whatever triggered everything went through very quickly.

Also Shane mentioned the shooting of people at the hospital by the military that weren't bitten. Did the army know at that point that some could catch whatever it was by not being bit?

[MichaelWinicki]

Another intersting point was Rick thinking outside the box and talking about the winter-time not being Z-friendly.

In "WWZ" one of the chapters deals with groups of survivors headed to the northern reaches of Canada and such, and the Z's freezing in place.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Good catch on the part about not seeing bites.

A little "Zombie science" here...

Remember the first one "Night of the Living Dead" there was the mention of a radio-active satellite coming back to earth, which triggered the initial outbreak. In the "Night" remake (1990 I think), the first living-dead person encountered was a guy who was obviously had been prepped for his own funeral and then regained motor function.

You would think that even if every funeral home/morg in the US was filled, then there still wouldn't be enough of the living dead to create that many zombies that quickly. There had to be some sort of "agent" that killed folks and turned them into the undead without them being bitten.

Shane talked about the two-week's time that had passed between the time Rick went into the hospital for his gun shot and the time Shane went back and all hell broke loose. Whatever triggered everything went through very quickly.

Also Shane mentioned the shooting of people at the hospital by the military that weren't bitten. Did the army know at that point that some could catch whatever it was by not being bit?

Since you brought other zombie movies into the talk.

Return of the living Dead. First it was the zombie that the military lost but when some of the zombie(s) were placed into the incinerator at the funeral home...the smoke fell into the grave yard and bang the dead come back to life.

Now we seen the two dead cops that were not bitten around around the same time frame we seen a few zombies that were burned. Don't know if there is a connection there or not. Would not think so as I remember they burned some at the farm and nothing has happened as yet.

Who knows...just brain storming here since I have not read the comics and I hope that it does not move to airborne transfer because IMO that would kind of ruin it. There is enough strife and all the humans are barely hanging in there to the point of mostly it being a waiting game until they are overcome by zombies...I would hate the idea that it went completely airborne as well and even those that stayed away from them got it as well.

[Joe Rod]

If you've read all the books, then you already know what this is leading up to.

Well, I can speculate on new characters, but the intricate details are hard to say for certain. There are so many things in the show that have not followed the books up to this point. Some good, some bad, but it keeps you guessing if you are strictly going by what the books say.

Honestly, some of the best pieces of this show to date were totally independent of the comics. If they go another route and it pays off, I would not be upset in the slightest.

[iceberg]

That is the part that cracks me up if they decide to go with the airborne idea.

That and the idea that they do not show the walkers sneezing and coughing much which is a big way airborne diseases are spread.

and the dude that does the crossbow hunting. he's pull it out of a zombies head and reload. the one episode where he was crawling back up a cliff and fell down and impaled himself with same bolt.

he never changed.

[MichaelWinicki]

Since you brought other zombie movies into the talk.

Return of the living Dead. First it was the zombie that the military lost but when some of the zombie(s) were placed into the incinerator at the funeral home...the smoke fell into the grave yard and bang the dead come back to life.

Now we seen the two dead cops that were not bitten around around the same time frame we seen a few zombies that were burned. Don't know if there is a connection there or not. Would not think so as I remember they burned some at the farm and nothing has happened as yet.

Who knows...just brain storming here since I have not read the comics and I hope that it does not move to airborne transfer because IMO that would kind of ruin it. There is enough strife and all the humans are barely hanging in there to the point of mostly it being a waiting game until they are overcome by zombies...I would hate the idea that it went completely airborne as well and even those that stayed away from them got it as well.



Good point about the burning.

I'm not sure that being a factor here, or maybe it was just a factor at the beginning, just because Rick knew they were burning the bodies after the barn-cleanout, and he didn't stop that.

Maybe it's the type of thing that if you were going to turn as the result of an airborne agent, it was going to happen quickly and by this point if you hadn't turned because of that, then you weren't.

The other thing is that we were never told how the scientist's wife became infected at the CDC building... Maybe that's a factor and maybe it isn't.

[Joe Rod]

Since you brought other zombie movies into the talk.

Return of the living Dead. First it was the zombie that the military lost but when some of the zombie(s) were placed into the incinerator at the funeral home...the smoke fell into the grave yard and bang the dead come back to life.

Now we seen the two dead cops that were not bitten around around the same time frame we seen a few zombies that were burned. Don't know if there is a connection there or not. Would not think so as I remember they burned some at the farm and nothing has happened as yet.

Who knows...just brain storming here since I have not read the comics and I hope that it does not move to airborne transfer because IMO that would kind of ruin it. There is enough strife and all the humans are barely hanging in there to the point of mostly it being a waiting game until they are overcome by zombies...I would hate the idea that it went completely airborne as well and even those that stayed away from them got it as well.

Let me start by saying that this is not a spoiler at all. As I stated above, a lot of the TV show is way off script from the comic, including last nights episode.

If the issue was simply that everyone was infected, then how were there so many dead people still seat-belted in their cars along the highway in the first episode of season two. Maybe it is something they simply overlooked when they made the episode, but those people should have become Walkers by that time.

It seems that a bite of an infected walker kills a person quick enough, but no one in Ricks group has simply dropped dead yet and turned. They could indeed be carriers, but the show has provided evidence that would suggest that at a minimum the person has to actually die for it to turn them. You would think that the same would be said for the guards.

A possible theory about those guards then would be Cannibalism. It would explain a lot about that whole scene and why those two guards died without a scratch. The living arrangements in the bus indicated that quite a few people had been there a while. There were emptied cans all over the yard to symbolize they had run out of food. There were walkers locked up inside, almost caged up, but there was no reason to have them in the yard when they had a fence to keep them out.

Maybe they nabbed one or more survivors that had been infected, ingested one and became walkers themselves.

We have not seen it yet, but this is post-apocalyptic America. I'm sure there are some out there.

[punchnjudy]

One theory that's going around the web is that everyone is infected.

The virus only takes over the host after death, but doesn't cause death.

Bites cause death for a separate unrelated reason (such as a fever).

Life isn't really impacted by the virus in that scenario, but folks would need to be shot in the head before burial. (Just think what hospice jobs would pay in a world like that.) :)

I actually think this theory is too elaborate to be truth behind the whisper. If it is true, the guards may have commited suicide (poison?) and then turned.

Also, it's been pointed out that in the last episode Shane cut himself a second time on the bus after using the same knife on a zombie.

I follow the show more for its character development than its storyline.

[Future]

One theory that's going around the web is that everyone is infected.

The virus only takes over the host after death, but doesn't cause death.

Bites cause death for a separate unrelated reason (such as a fever).

Life isn't really impacted by the virus in that scenario, but folks would need to be shot in the head before burial. (Just think what hospice jobs would pay in a world like that.) :)

I actually think this theory is too elaborate to be truth behind the whisper. If it is true, the guards may have commited suicide (poison?) and then turned.

Also, it's been pointed out that in the last episode Shane cut himself a second time on the bus after using the same knife on a zombie.

I follow the show more for its character development than its storyline.
That actually makes a lot of sense. If Rick knows that, it could explain why he wants to try to survive in just one place....get the most out of life that he can because he knows ultimately there is no happy ending.

[trickblue]

A couple of things I noticed last night...

Maggie's first lines in the episode (when she was talking to Lori) were done in her native Australian accent...

Shane defers to Rick only because he wants to. Side by side Shane is twice as big and would destroy Rick in a fight...

Lori is the most annoying character on the show although she is needed...

Shane is no less moral than Rick, he is more realistic to the situation at this point... he does what has to be done...

After cutting themselves with the knife, Rick and Shane would have been infected with Zombie blood...

The make-up artists do a great job with the Zombies, the blood on Shane and Rick looked totally fake...

We need more Daryl, less Lori...

Either develop T-Dog or get rid of him... he serves no purpose...

[Danny White]

One theory that's going around the web is that everyone is infected.

The virus only takes over the host after death, but doesn't cause death.

Bites cause death for a separate unrelated reason (such as a fever).

Life isn't really impacted by the virus in that scenario, but folks would need to be shot in the head before burial. (Just think what hospice jobs would pay in a world like that.) :)

I actually think this theory is too elaborate to be truth behind the whisper. If it is true, the guards may have commited suicide (poison?) and then turned.

Also, it's been pointed out that in the last episode Shane cut himself a second time on the bus after using the same knife on a zombie.

I follow the show more for its character development than its storyline.
That's how it is in the book. But as JoeRod correctly points out, it doesn't appear that's how they're portraying it on TV. That's where I was thinking they were going with it, but maybe not.

[trickblue]

We sound like a bunch of old women arguing over direction of a soap... :laugh2:

[trickblue]

Yeah...I said in another thread that she is getting on my nerves. She has become the deb character of the walking dead...Deb character from Dexter.

She might be important to the series but she is just annoying to no end.

On a side note...again we see basically nothing again from the T-Dog role...kind of a waste of a character if they are not going to use him.

Jennifer Carpenter is a FANTASTIC actress... she was great as Emily Rose... really dissapointed in her over the top portrayal here... VERY annoying... she throws down the F-Bomb more frequently than any character on TV for no apparent reason... I'm no prude, but it is annoying...

That being said, she is easily the most annoying character in history as Dexter's sister...

I really like the series but it is heading nowhere fast... it has really suffered since the John Lithgow character...

Last year was AWFUL... Edward James Olmos was great but who is really scared of Tom Hanks' son... My 12 year old daughter could kick his skinny arse...

[trickblue]

Apparently Rutina Wesley (Trueblood) is going to show up...

She seems like a nice person, but she is HORRIBLE with her accent...

Give us more Zombies and less drama...

Oh... and do something with T-Dog or kill him... it's getting annoying...

[MichaelWinicki]

One theory that's going around the web is that everyone is infected.

The virus only takes over the host after death, but doesn't cause death.

Bites cause death for a separate unrelated reason (such as a fever).

Life isn't really impacted by the virus in that scenario, but folks would need to be shot in the head before burial. (Just think what hospice jobs would pay in a world like that.) :)

I actually think this theory is too elaborate to be truth behind the whisper. If it is true, the guards may have commited suicide (poison?) and then turned.

Also, it's been pointed out that in the last episode Shane cut himself a second time on the bus after using the same knife on a zombie.

I follow the show more for its character development than its storyline.

That's an interesting take.

In Romero's "Night", Johnny, the first person killed by the undead, doesn't appear to have been bitten. He died when his head hit the tombstone.

And he came back.

So certainly a "Universal Virus" would make sense... Probably at some point find out it was released by the military, but that's neither here nor there.

[Trendnet]

http://i.imgur.com/QlA7hl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/QlA7hl.jpg)

[TheCount]

Shane defers to Rick only because he wants to. Side by side Shane is twice as big and would destroy Rick in a fight...

What's the saying about the size of dogs and fights? :laugh2:

I think Shane defers because he still feels some guilt about what he did with Rick's wife, but I also think Rick rules the group with sheer will power. We've already seen he'll kill to protect the flock, so I don't think you can doubt the ferocity of either man.

You're right about the accents thing though, man the first season was a lot like that. Shane's southern accent was TERRIBLE the first season.


Oh... and do something with T-Dog or kill him... it's getting annoying...

I think they made a horrible mistake here. They basically made him the stereotypical "black guy" and now he doesn't fit in the story at all. Now they basically ignore him and don't try to develop his story at all. They wanted a black guy in the show to try and explore the "racist south" angle and now that they've done that, they have no clue what to do with him. They didn't bother to try and give him a unique skill he brings to the group (either in terms of social or physical skill), and trying to magically bring one out of him now would seem forced.

[Joe Rod]

What's the saying about the size of dogs and fights? :laugh2:

I think Shane defers because he still feels some guilt about what he did with Rick's wife, but I also think Rick rules the group with sheer will power. We've already seen he'll kill to protect the flock, so I don't think you can doubt the ferocity of either man.

You're right about the accents thing though, man the first season was a lot like that. Shane's southern accent was TERRIBLE the first season.




I think they made a horrible mistake here. They basically made him the stereotypical "black guy" and now he doesn't fit in the story at all. Now they basically ignore him and don't try to develop his story at all. They wanted a black guy in the show to try and explore the "racist south" angle and now that they've done that, they have no clue what to do with him. They didn't bother to try and give him a unique skill he brings to the group (either in terms of social or physical skill), and trying to magically bring one out of him now would seem forced.

I agree that they have done little with T-Dog this season, but I think they will explore further character development with him and Daryl in season 3. They got a little stuck in bringing along Rick vs. Shane and developing Herschel and Maggie's characters.

Either that or he will get knocked off in the last three episodes. :laugh2:

[Phoenix]

So I went ahead and ordered that Walking Dead compendium from Amazon...have read it up to the point where they discover the prison.

Differences I've noticed, probably most that have been mentioned somewhere in this thread:

* Shane never made it out of the original campsite outside Atlanta. Rick's son Carl shot and killed him when Shane was going crazy.

* They picked up former NFL player "Tyreese" and his daughter (and her bf) along the way. Shane in the TV show is loosely playing the part of Tyreese after the campsite.

* Dale and Andrea are an item? Yikes!

* Sophia did not die...she is still with the group when they leave the farm.

* Speaking of leaving the farm, and we aren't there yet in the TV show, but Glenn decides to stay behind with Maggie when the group leaves.

* Otis never died.

* They never visited the CDC, and nobody ever whispered anything in Rick's ear.

* Shane never told Lori that Rick had died. In the book, they leave Rick to recuperate in the hospital, to go to Atlanta to be with Lori's family, because everyone is being urged to get to big cities for safety. Lori cheats on Rick with Shane, knowing full well that Rick is still alive.

Anyway, those are just some things that stick out in my head. Pretty good read...it looks like the prison stay is a MAJOR part of the storyline. I'm only about maybe 25% in to the book, and thumbing through it, looks like the rest of the book might be taking place in the prison.

[Phoenix]

Oh! I forgot one of the biggest differences! Not once have the zombies been referred to as "walkers" so far. They are always called "zombies" so far, except for one single reference to "roamers", zombies that walk around rather than just laying around doing nothing, which is what most of them do it seems. And the thing with Herschel in the bar never happened, so they never came across the two guys that Rick took out...so nobody has called them "lame brains" either :)

[TheCount]

* They picked up former NFL player "Tyreese" and his daughter (and her bf) along the way. Shane in the TV show is loosely playing the part of Tyreese after the campsite.


Yeah, essentially "T-Dog" should be Rick's bestie. Obviously that's not going to happen in the show.

Friend of mine that's very familiar with the books floated the idea that the guys at the bar and all that group are from the prison and that they'll get there eventually. Basically pointing out how they had no manners and the one dude was pissing on the floor.

[zrinkill]

Shane defers to Rick only because he wants to. Side by side Shane is twice as big and would destroy Rick in a fight....

You must have missed the at episode.

Shane used a weapon 3 different times and still lost.

[MichaelWinicki]

I agree that they have done little with T-Dog this season, but I think they will explore further character development with him and Daryl in season 3. They got a little stuck in bringing along Rick vs. Shane and developing Herschel and Maggie's characters.

Either that or he will get knocked off in the last three episodes. :laugh2:

Hard to say, but shows with large casts have periods where certain characters add little for several episodes.

Watch the "Soprano's", characters will routinely become bit players for a while before becoming a big part of the story again.

[Phoenix]

The more I read in to the graphic novels, the more I'm starting to think that "The Walking Dead" title refers not to the zombies, but to our little cast of characters...turn of a phrase..."dead man walking"...

[Joe Rod]

The more I read in to the graphic novels, the more I'm starting to think that "The Walking Dead" title refers not to the zombies, but to our little cast of characters...turn of a phrase..."dead man walking"...

Keep Reading..... :)

[trickblue]

The more I read in to the graphic novels, the more I'm starting to think that "The Walking Dead" title refers not to the zombies, but to our little cast of characters...turn of a phrase..."dead man walking"...

I've always thought it referred to everyone in the series...

Some are more dead than others...

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

The AMC store apparently ran a huge spoiler in an ad for the upcoming DVD set.

Here is a story that has a link to the actual spoiler. You can read the story without seeing the spoiler.


http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/03/01/amc-website-runs-walking-dead-spoiler-by-mistake/?hpt=hp_t3

[Idgit]

The more I read in to the graphic novels, the more I'm starting to think that "The Walking Dead" title refers not to the zombies, but to our little cast of characters...turn of a phrase..."dead man walking"...

Yeah. It does. Cool, huh?

[Phoenix]

Keep Reading..... :)


WOW. I just saw got there. :eek:

I think I just got exactly halfway into Compendium One...

[CliffnMesquite]

Somebody needs to shoot Dale in the head.

[MichaelWinicki]

Somebody needs to shoot Dale in the head.

:laugh2:


U knew that was coming huh?

[MichaelWinicki]

Someone ought to give Carl a kick in the arse.

[MichaelWinicki]

Well...

I guess the group dynamics are changing.

Harsh episode. Real harsh.

[cowboyeric8]

I know dale wasn't a popular character and I found him annoying. But sorry to see him go. At least he was someone that stood for something.

I was secretly hoping Carl would get bit. The kid needs a beating.

[CliffnMesquite]

Oh, wait. Never mind.
:)

[CliffnMesquite]

:laugh2:


U knew that was coming huh?

I'm a witch!

[Danny White]

The more I read in to the graphic novels, the more I'm starting to think that "The Walking Dead" title refers not to the zombies, but to our little cast of characters...turn of a phrase..."dead man walking"...

Exactly! I mean, just look at the cover...

http://gamingsrapture.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/walking-dead.jpg

[Future]

*spoiler alert*

I hope the finale is - for lack of better terms - explosive. Dale's gone, we know that Shane doesn't make it through the season, and from what I understand, there are far fewer of the original members when they make it to the next location. Plus, a couple of major characters still need to be introduced...which means bye bye to a lot of people I would think.


....I know the show deviates from the comics, but I really wish I had time to read them. I feel like there is a lot more going on. Plus I don't have to wait a whole week every time to see what happens next :laugh2:

[CliffnMesquite]

Anybody else notice Shane hoarding ammo in the back of that Hyundai.

[Joe Rod]

Man, that is a pretty bad way to go for poor Dale, but this was probably not the way it was originally planned when they started out.

He had worked with the original producer for years and I read that he asked to be let out of his contract when Darabont was let go. He later rescinded his request, but it looks like the head folks at AMC didn't care at that point.

[Phoenix]

That show last night had pretty close to zero relationship with the comic.

[zrinkill]

Man, that is a pretty bad way to go for poor Dale,

It was worse for Dale in the comic.

[Joe Rod]

It was worse for Dale in the comic.

I don't know, he really gave a lot to those hunters before he passed away. :D

[MichaelWinicki]

The only issue I have with last night's episode is the apparent relative ease the Z tore open the stomach of a cow and the with relative ease tore open Dale's midsection.

It was bad enough that an emaciated zombie was able to hold Dale down, but to have the strength to tear open a man's stomach?

I think the original "Dawn of the Dead" is terrific, however I've got a buddy who just hates the scene towards the end of the flick, where the motorcycle gang breaks into the mall, letting all the walking dead in with them.

One of the motorcycle knuckhead's has put his arm in an eletronic game that measures strength (or maybe it was love ability?)– Doesn't matter. Anyway, the yawhoo is sitting there with his arm in this machine and a couple of the walking dead come by, grab'em and he gets his arm ripped off (it's seen laying in the machine as he gets dragged away).

My buddy hates that scene because it makes the zombies seem much more powerful than what they exhibit throughout most of the movie.

Same thing for me and last night's episode. The whole thing about the zombie first being able to pin Dale to the ground for any length of time and then be able to rip open his stomach just screamed "illogical" to me.

[ZeroClub]

Carl is going Children of the Corn.

http://klausming.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/children-of-the-corn.jpg

[Future]

The only issue I have with last night's episode is the apparent relative ease the Z tore open the stomach of a cow and the with relative ease tore open Dale's midsection.

It was bad enough that an emaciated zombie was able to hold Dale down, but to have the strength to tear open a man's stomach?

I think the original "Dawn of the Dead" is terrific, however I've got a buddy who just hates the scene towards the end of the flick, where the motorcycle gang breaks into the mall, letting all the walking dead in with them.

One of the motorcycle knuckhead's has put his arm in an eletronic game that measures strength (or maybe it was love ability?)– Doesn't matter. Anyway, the yawhoo is sitting there with his arm in this machine and a couple of the walking dead come by, grab'em and he gets his arm ripped off (it's seen laying in the machine as he gets dragged away).

My buddy hates that scene because it makes the zombies seem much more powerful than what they exhibit throughout most of the movie.

Same thing for me and last night's episode. The whole thing about the zombie first being able to pin Dale to the ground for any length of time and then be able to rip open his stomach just screamed "illogical" to me.
True...but then again, Dale is pretty old :laugh2:

[MichaelWinicki]

True...but then again, Dale is pretty old :laugh2:

Well, you would think his skin would be old & leathery... Not soft as a baby's bottom– Like Brain's...

Or at least that's what Yeags told me. :D

[Yeagermeister]

Well, you would think his skin would be old & leathery... Not soft as a baby's bottom– Like Brain's...

Or at least that's what Yeags told me. :D

Dude!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

[BrAinPaiNt]

Well, you would think his skin would be old & leathery... Not soft as a baby's bottom– Like Brain's...

Or at least that's what Yeags told me. :D

Once you got through the skin I doubt it would be too hard to break the ribs and tear the skin some more.

Guy on talking dead said the zombies fingers would be bonier so it could penetrate the skin easier.

Who knows.

Plus add into it that some have described zombies as stronger than an average human as they are just purely driven to kill and do not think of anything else.

[MichaelWinicki]

Dude!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

LOL!!!

[MichaelWinicki]

Once you got through the skin I doubt it would be too hard to break the ribs and tear the skin some more.

Guy on talking dead said the zombies fingers would be bonier so it could penetrate the skin easier.

Who knows.

Plus add into it that some have described zombies as stronger than an average human as they are just purely driven to kill and do not think of anything else.

The old "boney-finger" trick huh?

Oh-kay! LOL!

You would think their slowness would be an indicator of their decreased strength... But who knows huh?

At least not yet. ;)

[Phoenix]

Well! JUST finished reading the graphic novel (Compendium One) that gathers up issues 1-48.

Wow.

Issue 48 is well ahead of where we are now in the TV show, to be sure. And I'm sure the TV show will end up nothing like what the end of #48 ended up like....boggle! Wow.

Someone said that they would be surprised if the TV show goes down some of the deep dark paths that the comic has, and I completely agree. There is SO MUCH in this that it boggles the mind. These 48 issues could easily have been quadrupled or more, that I have read.

These are not "comics". Not for children whatsoever. Very, very mature. Language beyond belief just for starters. And if the TV show goes into anything CLOSE to what happens between the Governor and Michonne, holy mackerel. I've never seen such, ERRRR, I'll stop there.

The TV show, to me, is not living up to what I've seen in the graphic novel.

So now I need to figure out what to order next...what to read next for this? I think that Compendium Two is near but not sure it's out...I doubt it. Perhaps I should wait for it.

[MichaelWinicki]

Any thoughts on how Shane meets his demise?

In the comic, Carl does the trick.

Will the show go down that path?

[Phoenix]

Any thoughts on how Shane meets his demise?

In the comic, Carl does the trick.

Will the show go down that path?

I think maybe yes, that this past show might be building up to Carl pulling the trigger. On Shane. As happened in the graphic novel.

[Aikmaniac]

I thought it was a pretty good episode, however the last twenty minutes or so was pretty intense. There was a ton going on...almost too much. You had the vote on the fate of the outlaw kid, the scene of Carl watching his dad almost pulling the trigger, and then the demise of Dale. That's a lot to pack in to that last act of the episode.

[Future]

So now I need to figure out what to order next...what to read next for this? I think that Compendium Two is near but not sure it's out...I doubt it. Perhaps I should wait for it.
If I'm not mistaken Compendium One is episodes 1-8. Amazon has all the way up to 15 listed, just not in one collection, so they're available. I know this summer that's what I'm going to be reading...just from reading summaries of some of the episodes I seem to think it's a lot deeper than the show, and I'm really intrigued. Definitely gonna go that route.

[Derekmtl85]

If anybody wants to read the Graphic Novel...

Here's a link to all of them :

http://www.polvoestelar.com.mx.nyud.net/babilonia/Comics%20y%20Manga/Walking%20Dead,%20The/

[Joe Rod]

Any thoughts on how Shane meets his demise?

In the comic, Carl does the trick.

Will the show go down that path?

I say no. Rick v. Shane has built up way more than the comic book ever approached. It would kind of stink if it didn't end up being something centered solely around those two.

[Phoenix]

I say no. Rick v. Shane has built up way more than the comic book ever approached. It would kind of stink if it didn't end up being something centered solely around those two.

Agreed. It'll be Lori. :laugh2:

[MichaelWinicki]

Agreed. It'll be Lori. :laugh2:

The other thought I had about this is if they'll keep it open-ended, meaning it's not clear whether Shane met his ultimate demise or not.

I've enjoyed his character. It's been an interesting character to follow from episode to episode and I'll miss the character and the back & forth across the line that separates good vs bad.

[Phoenix]

If anybody wants to read the Graphic Novel...

Here's a link to all of them :

http://www.polvoestelar.com.mx.nyud.net/babilonia/Comics%20y%20Manga/Walking%20Dead,%20The/


Sweet - thanks!

[punchnjudy]

I've heard that in the comics they hole up in a prison after leaving the farm. Personally, I'd stay away from anywhere where the original occupants did nothing but shoot steroids and lift weights all day.

A retirement center would be more my speed; they don't have any teeth and they could barely move when they were alive...

[jnday]

I've heard that in the comics they hole up in a prison after leaving the farm. Personally, I'd stay away from anywhere where the original occupants did nothing but shoot steroids and lift weights all day.

A retirement center would be more my speed; they don't have any teeth and they could barely move when they were alive...

Death by gumming would be a bad way to go .

[MichaelWinicki]

Just re-watched the end of last week's episode and I still don't get the whole "Zombie being able to not only hold Dale down but puncturing his stomach with one hand and then ripping him right open with both hands... While at the same time still holding Dale down."

[Lodeus]

Oh snap!

[MichaelWinicki]

Carl does kill Shane... Just like in the comic... Well re-kills him anyway.

Another very intense episode.

And we learn that yes, circumstances exist so that anyone who dies does come back– bite or not.

Great episode. They've really picked up the pace from the first half of the season. Am sorry to see the end of Shane.

[Lodeus]

Who will be the antagonist now?

[punchnjudy]

Who will be the antagonist now?

I expect there to be a lot of new characters brought in next season...and a lot more wiped out next week.

(They better leave the hottie farm girl alone though!)

[CliffnMesquite]

Nice shot Carl...

[jnday]

Carl does kill Shane... Just like in the comic... Well re-kills him anyway.

Another very intense episode.

And we learn that yes, circumstances exist so that anyone who dies does come back– bite or not.

Great episode. They've really picked up the pace from the first half of the season. Am sorry to see the end of Shane.

So can we now say it is fact that anyone that dies will become a zombie ? Maybe certain people are carriers . In this " new world " everybody comes back . Do you think this is the secret that the doctor told Rick ?

[xout]

So can we now say it is fact that anyone that dies will become a zombie ? Maybe certain people are carriers . In this " new world " everybody comes back . Do you think this is the secret that the doctor told Rick ?

Bingo. It's airborne most likely.

[xout]

This show just gets better and better. Excellent episode all the way through. The eulogy at the beginning was great, and the last 15 minutes were terrific.

I think we're gonna see a few more deaths, possibly Carol and T-Dog or Hershel's kids sans Maggie. Since the episode is called Beside the Dying Fire we may see the farm burn....

[Derekmtl85]

Amazing episode, one of the best of the series so far.

The last 15 minutes were perfect, couldn't have done it better.

I say Carol and Otis's wife are going to die in the season finale, maybe T-dog too.

[MichaelWinicki]

The season has gone from too slow a pace at the beginning to almost "too much-too fast" the last half.

It's almost like comic-book pace at the moment.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Very disappointed with them killing off Shane. He was the best character. I hate Rick, boring.

[Joe Rod]

Well done episode. They reversed the order of who got to kill Shane (compared to the Graphic Novels), but, with the way they built the second half of the season with Rick and Shane it was the right way to do it.

Lori is a wretched creature. That little "talk" of hers sent Shane right off the deep end.

Finally they got some lines for poor T-Dog. Seems safe to say that Daryl and T-Dog will get much more screen time now that Dale and Shane are gone.

Next episode looks like it will be epic. Given how many Walkers are descending on the farm, there will probably be more characters that don't make season three.

[Phoenix]

So can we now say it is fact that anyone that dies will become a zombie ? Maybe certain people are carriers . In this " new world " everybody comes back . Do you think this is the secret that the doctor told Rick ?

Mostly that is true. I think if you die by severe head would (gun shot to brain, decapitation, stuff like that) you don't come back. Otherwise, you do.

The first time this happened in the comic is when I started to figure out what "The Walking Dead" meant...

Great show last night! And next week...Michonne? :eek::)

[MichaelWinicki]

Mostly that is true. I think if you die by severe head would (gun shot to brain, decapitation, stuff like that) you don't come back.

Or burn'em immediately after they pass. Remember the bodies having been burned where Shane/Rick tried dropping off the kid.

That's a carry over from "Night of the Living Dead" and "Dawn".

[MichaelWinicki]

Very disappointed with them killing off Shane. He was the best character. I hate Rick, boring.

Rick needs to be grounded somewhat or you really wouldn't have much of a show.

I would guess there will be a whole host of new characters that have similar sometimes good/sometimes bad traits to keep things interesting.

[MichaelWinicki]

Lori is a wretched creature. That little "talk" of hers sent Shane right off the deep end.


I feel for the gal that plays Lori... Man, what the writers put that character through.

[Joe Rod]

Rick needs to be grounded somewhat or you really wouldn't have much of a show.

I would guess there will be a whole host of new characters that have similar sometimes good/sometimes bad traits to keep things interesting.

They will have no shortage of external antagonists in the third season, so they will not miss Shane's character (you know of whom I speak) :)

Jon Berenthal landed the lead role in LA Noir, so the writing has been on the wall for a while that that this season would be Shane's last.

Interesting note that I read yesterday. Supposedly, the cow that Dale stumbled upon in the last episode was not originally supposed to be a cow, but another cast member.

The producers are not playing around in these last few episodes.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Rick needs to be grounded somewhat or you really wouldn't have much of a show.

I would guess there will be a whole host of new characters that have similar sometimes good/sometimes bad traits to keep things interesting.

The way the character is written it reminds me of John Cena in WWE. He always comes out ahead, no matter what happens you can count on him ending up with the final word or the final shot. It's annoying and makes for boring predictable tv.

[zrinkill]

reminds me of John Cena in WWE. He always comes out ahead, no matter what happens you can count on him ending up with the final word or the final shot. It's annoying and makes for boring predictable tv.

Wow ...... :laugh2:

[ChldsPlay]

The way the character is written it reminds me of John Cena in WWE. He always comes out ahead, no matter what happens you can count on him ending up with the final word or the final shot. It's annoying and makes for boring predictable tv.

I found Shane to be predictable and bordering on boring. Personally, I'm glad the show is rid of him.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I found Shane to be predictable and bordering on boring. Personally, I'm glad the show is rid of him.

Characters that are on the fringe are the best, in my opinion. It's what makes the Joker great. Shane was somewhat predictable but he was still interesting and the pace of the show changed when he was on the screen. Rick is boring. He will never die and he will never lose. Only way to salvage the character is to kill off Lori to make Rick edgier.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Wow ...... :laugh2:

Is it a poor comparison? Seems pretty much spot on to me.

[cowboyeric8]

What an insult to the show to compare it to wrestling.

As for Shane he is just a little girl and has no honor. Just a worthless human being.

[zrinkill]

Seems pretty much spot on to me.

That is because you are an ....... ....... well you are just being you.

[fifaguy]

Wow!

I didn't see that ending coming!

Not much zombie action, but the ending took me by surprise.

Good episode.


Indeed! I'm assuming they are all infected (it went airbourne), so as soon as they die now they come back as zombies regardless of how they died?

[Lodeus]

^That is what seems to be happening.

I think the people that escape the barn(which I think is what they'll have to do) will run into new characters.

[Aikmaniac]

^That is what seems to be happening.

I think the people that escape the barn(which I think is what they'll have to do) will run into new characters.

How do you imagine they will escape with all those zombies moving in? There's no way they can pack up everything and leave that quickly.

[Yeagermeister]

How do you imagine they will escape with all those zombies moving in? There's no way they can pack up everything and leave that quickly.

Herd as many as they can in to the barn then torch it.....kill the rest.

[iceberg]

Indeed! I'm assuming they are all infected (it went airbourne), so as soon as they die now they come back as zombies regardless of how they died?

for most zombie movies, you die you come back. period. unless you're taken out by a head wound that would also kill the zombie.

[BrAinPaiNt]

for most zombie movies, you die you come back. period. unless you're taken out by a head wound that would also kill the zombie.

The odd thing about it is that earlier in the series they showed people that were just dead, not dead zombies, but just people dead in cars and so on.

So if they go with the everybody dies and becomes a zombie because it is airborne or other scenario...they will have to go with the idea that the disease or virus has mutated from the original strain.

[iceberg]

The odd thing about it is that earlier in the series they showed people that were just dead, not dead zombies, but just people dead in cars and so on.

So if they go with the everybody dies and becomes a zombie because it is airborne or other scenario...they will have to go with the idea that the disease or virus has mutated from the original strain.

good point. now i can see more of where the "confusion" comes from.

[basstapp]

The odd thing about it is that earlier in the series they showed people that were just dead, not dead zombies, but just people dead in cars and so on.

So if they go with the everybody dies and becomes a zombie because it is airborne or other scenario...they will have to go with the idea that the disease or virus has mutated from the original strain.

Well maybe there was chemical warefare on those highways and the chemicals destroyed the brain like a bullet/knife would. That would explain why there are no obvious head wounds or stuff like that.

[iceberg]

Well maybe there was chemical warefare on those highways and the chemicals destroyed the brain like a bullet/knife would. That would explain why there are no obvious head wounds or stuff like that.

i was talking to a co-worker who is also into the series and i never knew it until today. :) she said she read on some blogs that cover it that those in the cars died of head trauma or some other head injury that prevented the comeback as a zombie.

i'm not gonna go back and look at every dead traffic situation to see but it's one of those ? of the series. not that bad overall unless they play off it later and it becomes a continuity issue.

[Future]

Bingo. It's airborne most likely.
I've read that it could be in the water, which would also make sense. And considering the zombies consistently getting stuck in the mud and the one in the well, there's at least some tangible connection.


Great show last night! And next week...Michonne? :eek::)
Considering all that seems like it will happen at the barn next week, I can't imagine a major character being introduced. I don't know when they meet her in the books, but it would have to be after they leave the farm I would think, otherwise it means she's going to rush in and save the day...which means it was a huge coincidence or she was just living on her own at the farm anyways.

I just don't think the episode can cover enough ground to kill all those walkers, make a decision on where to go, leave the farm, and run into another major character.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I've read that it could be in the water, which would also make sense. And considering the zombies consistently getting stuck in the mud and the one in the well, there's at least some tangible connection.


Considering all that seems like it will happen at the barn next week, I can't imagine a major character being introduced. I don't know when they meet her in the books, but it would have to be after they leave the farm I would think, otherwise it means she's going to rush in and save the day...which means it was a huge coincidence or she was just living on her own at the farm anyways.

I just don't think the episode can cover enough ground to kill all those walkers, make a decision on where to go, leave the farm, and run into another major character.

I doubt it either. Also have to consider that if they were going to be in this last episode we would have heard about them hiring the actress long ago. It was just recent news about the actress being hired to play the role and this season has been done for some time.

So next season would seem to be the time.

I am curious of who goes now though. They got rid of shane and dale but with a mass invasion coming they will have to lose a character or two. I would think that since they really have not developed or shown much of T-Dog he would be one of them.

[Manwiththeplan]

yea imo, rick, lori, carl, glenn, maggie and the other blond chick from the original group are likely safe. Hershall can go either way. T-Dog, Sophia's mother, and Hershall's other two kids are food.

[iceberg]

I doubt it either. Also have to consider that if they were going to be in this last episode we would have heard about them hiring the actress long ago. It was just recent news about the actress being hired to play the role and this season has been done for some time.

So next season would seem to be the time.

I am curious of who goes now though. They got rid of shane and dale but with a mass invasion coming they will have to lose a character or two. I would think that since they really have not developed or shown much of T-Dog he would be one of them.

t-dog is my guess if they stay with original casting.

otherwise, i think otis's wife or the blonde daughter are zombie bait.

any guesses if daryls brother is leading the other group?

[Yeagermeister]

t-dog is my guess if they stay with original casting.

otherwise, i think otis's wife or the blonde daughter are zombie bait.

any guesses if daryls brother is leading the other group?

I said to my wife it would be funny if Merle was the leader of that group.

[MichaelWinicki]

There was an interesting theory posted on another forum concerning the "disease" and how it's transmitted and how/why non-bite victims reanimate.

Essentially the theory is that anyone who comes in contact with the blood/body fluids of a reanimated corpse becomes infected themselves, who'll reanimate at death– even without being bitten.

Not saying I buy it, but it's an interesting alternative to the "air-borne" everyone's infected theory.

[CliffnMesquite]

There was an interesting theory posted on another forum concerning the "disease" and how it's transmitted and how/why non-bite victims reanimate.

Essentially the theory is that anyone who comes in contact with the blood/body fluids of a reanimated corpse becomes infected themselves, who'll reanimate at death– even without being bitten.

Not saying I buy it, but it's an interesting alternative to the "air-borne" everyone's infected theory.

Coming into contact with infected fluids like blood as we have seen, does not trigger the virus. But bites and scratches do. It has to be blood born and air born somehow.

Perhaps it is concentrated in the saliva? But that dosent explain the scratch component. Nor people cutting themselves with contaminated knives.

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

Well, looks like I won't get to see the finale, at least not on TV.

Suddenlink and AMC apparently can't come to an agreement on a new contract so today is the last day I'll have AMC.

That really blows. Not really sure who's at fault but it really sucks.

http://suddenlinkfyi.com/2012/03/12/amc-refuses-suddenlink-requests/

[BrAinPaiNt]

Well, looks like I won't get to see the finale, at least not on TV.

Suddenlink and AMC apparently can't come to an agreement on a new contract so today is the last day I'll have AMC.

That really blows. Not really sure who's at fault but it really sucks.

http://suddenlinkfyi.com/2012/03/12/amc-refuses-suddenlink-requests/

I am on suddenlink as well. Have had no complaints with the cable or cable internet service over the years. Actually it seems to be miles better than some other providers as I hear other people complain about their cable services all the time.

But it will suck if we lose AMC because of the walking dead and breaking bad alone. Also liked Hell on wheels.

[Joshmvii]

Last year when I had DirecTV and they were going to pull FX in the middle of Sons of Anarchy, Kurt Sutter and his fans did a great job of pressuring DTV to get a deal done.

Call your provider and let them know you'll vote with your wallet. If my cable provider that i have now tried to pull AMC, that would kill like half the shows I watch on tv(Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Walking Dead, The Killing) and I would definitely get rid of most of my tv package if they did it.

[zrinkill]

Suddenlink and AMC came to an agreement.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Suddenlink and AMC came to an agreement.

Thanks, was hoping it would get done.

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

Suddenlink and AMC came to an agreement.

Awesome, thanks for the update Zrin

[Phoenix]

Who got bit in the RV? I thought it was Darryl but then he was on a motorcycle later...?

Great show so far! It's like sort of a glob of the comic farm/prison sequence these past few shows.

[MichaelWinicki]

Simply...

http://images.yuku.com/image/gif/38e35cdce5025ea3a663ed4b1abad00fb741a2e.gif (http://Original-Concept.u.yuku.com/gallery/view/fid/215525)

[Phoenix]

MICHONNE!!!!!!

The prison!!!!

We're all infected...the big reveal!!!!

WOW OH WOW!!!!!

[Phoenix]

Jimmy in the RV. Got it.

Next season - wow. Get ready. Strap it on tight because the ride is only going to get crazier!

Again....MICHONNE!!!!! Wow!!!!

[Yeagermeister]

Simply...

http://images.yuku.com/image/gif/38e35cdce5025ea3a663ed4b1abad00fb741a2e.gif (http://Original-Concept.u.yuku.com/gallery/view/fid/215525)

I agree

[punchnjudy]

Great show, but I'm not sure of what to make of this Michonne character. For me, the cool part is seeing regular folk adjusting to this insane world. I don't know her back story from the comics, but first impression is that she's more of a superhero type character. It's hard for me to picture someone like that interacting with a group led by Rick, assuming they all meet up.

I thought the helicopter scene was a flashback, but on The Talking Dead the producers indicated otherwise. Makes me wonder if the group will at some point have to confront a military presence similar to 28 days later.

[Phoenix]

Great show, but I'm not sure of what to make of this Michonne character. For me, the cool part is seeing regular folk adjusting to this insane world. I don't know her back story from the comics, but first impression is that she's more of a superhero type character. It's hard for me to picture someone like that interacting with a group led by Rick, assuming they all meet up.

I thought the helicopter scene was a flashback, but on The Talking Dead the producers indicated otherwise. Makes me wonder if the group will at some point have to confront a military presence similar to 28 days later.


Michonne is a very talented lawyer let's just say :) They will all fit in just fine. And the helicopter plays in perfectly to the upcoming story from the prison next year.

I don't know if they are going to try to turn T-Dog in to what he should be or not, but the inevitable conflict with The Governor is crucial to the timeline of this story. And Michonne is crucial to that timeline.

Can't wait.

[Yeagermeister]

At least we don't have to wait until next year for season 3.

[Future]

MICHONNE!!!!!!

The prison!!!!

We're all infected...the big reveal!!!!

WOW OH WOW!!!!!
I didn't love the way they did the reveal. I mean everyone who watches should have known by this point...between the security guards and then last week's episode it was obvious. I wish Rick would have confided about what was said at the CBC to Lori or something, that way the audience knew for sure, and the bland reveal to the group wouldn't be as important.

Michonne looks like a bad mother :laugh2:

I almost wish that Daryl hadn't gone back for Carol. God she annoys me.

[Joe Rod]

Glenn did not look too happy with Rick's ultimatum to the group, but it sure did shut Carol up. Michonne and the Prison should make for a lot of good episodes next season.

I am pretty stoked about next season. Fall is a long way off, but at least they have Game of Thrones and True Blood coming up to fill that Sunday time-slot.

[TheCount]

Now, I'd never hit a woman... but like Chris Rock said, I'd shake the **** out of Lori! That woman drives me insane! She sleeps with husbands best friend the moment she thinks he's dead, then it turns out he's not dead so she runs to him and then she basically poisons his mind by saying Shane doesn't think you can protect us.

Then Shane tries to kill her husband and is a danger to the whole group so Rick ends up killing the dude after giving him a million chances. And the woman has the balls to treat him like he did something wrong?!

I guess she's upset case now she won't have two bad mofos protecting her annoying ***.


BTW, score one for T-Dawg, I thought he'd be a goner this season for sure. :laugh2:

[CliffnMesquite]

Now, I'd never hit a woman... but like Chris Rock said, I'd shake the **** out of Lori! That woman drives me insane! She sleeps with husbands best friend the moment she thinks he's dead, then it turns out he's not dead so she runs to him and then she basically poisons his mind by saying Shane doesn't think you can protect us.

Then Shane tries to kill her husband and is a danger to the whole group so Rick ends up killing the dude after giving him a million chances. And the woman has the balls to treat him like he did something wrong?!

I guess she's upset case now she won't have two bad mofos protecting her annoying ***.


BTW, score one for T-Dawg, I thought he'd be a goner this season for sure. :laugh2:

I think Lori is most upset about the changes in her son Carl.

[TheCount]

I think Lori is most upset about the changes in her son Carl.

What does that have to do with Rick? He should have let his father get killed by a reanimated Shane? She's coddling the boy at the end, so obviously her anger is directed at Rick... even though non-zombie Shane just tried to murder him and take him away from the same son she's so worried about.

[MichaelWinicki]

What does that have to do with Rick? He should have let his father get killed by a reanimated Shane? She's coddling the boy at the end, so obviously her anger is directed at Rick... even though non-zombie Shane just tried to murder him and take him away from the same son she's so worried about.

It's because she still had feelings for Shane.

Rick & Lori's marriage hasn't been good for a long time.

And she knows it was Shane that saved her and Carl at the beginning so there is no doubt some feelings of guilt there over Shane's demise.

[TheCount]

It's because she still had feelings for Shane.

Rick & Lori's marriage hasn't been good for a long time.

And she knows it was Shane that saved her and Carl at the beginning so there is no doubt some feelings of guilt there over Shane's demise.

Bingo. The wench! :laugh2:

[zrinkill]

My only problem with Lori is she is the worst mother on the planet.

How the hell do you lose your son as much as she does in the middle of a zombie apocalypse?

Her only freaking job is to watch that kid ...... and she never has a clue where he is at.

She is worse than the home alone mom.

[MegaMagick]

It seems like this show is going to become pretty bat crazy soon. The finale was pretty crazy already with everyone being sharpshooters, having seemingly infinite ammo(until they have to reload for dramatic effect, oh noes zombie behind you now!), and a ninja woman with a samurai sword.

Disappointed only a few no names died, i wanted either Glenn or Maggie(preferably Glenn) to go, T-dog is basically an afterthought who should've died a long time ago, and i thought Andrea and Carol should've died as well.

Still a great episode and i'm hyped for season 3.

[MichaelWinicki]

My only problem with Lori is she is the worst mother on the planet.

How the hell do you lose your son as much as she does in the middle of a zombie apocalypse?

Her only freaking job is to watch that kid ...... and she never has a clue where he is at.

She is worse than the home alone mom.

Have you ever dealt with a 12 yo male? LOL!

[MichaelWinicki]

It seems like this show is going to become pretty bat crazy soon. The finale was pretty crazy already with everyone being sharpshooters, having seemingly infinite ammo(until they have to reload for dramatic effect, oh noes zombie behind you now!), and a ninja woman with a samurai sword.

Disappointed only a few no names died, i wanted either Glenn or Maggie(preferably Glenn) to go, T-dog is basically an afterthought who should've died a long time ago, and i thought Andrea and Carol should've died as well.

Still a great episode and i'm hyped for season 3.

At least they did portray the group taking target practice at one point.

And they were rotating from character to character so you didn't see the reloading sequence, except with Herschel.

[zrinkill]

Have you ever dealt with a 12 yo male? LOL!

Yup.

And no way in hell he would be running around in the woods during a zombie apocalypse.

[Trendnet]

Now, I'd never hit a woman... but like Chris Rock said, I'd shake the **** out of Lori! That woman drives me insane! She sleeps with husbands best friend the moment she thinks he's dead, then it turns out he's not dead so she runs to him and then she basically poisons his mind by saying Shane doesn't think you can protect us.

Then Shane tries to kill her husband and is a danger to the whole group so Rick ends up killing the dude after giving him a million chances. And the woman has the balls to treat him like he did something wrong?!

I guess she's upset case now she won't have two bad mofos protecting her annoying ***.


BTW, score one for T-Dawg, I thought he'd be a goner this season for sure. :laugh2:


http://i.imgur.com/FLYHs.png (http://i.imgur.com/FLYHs.png)

[BrAinPaiNt]

It's because she still had feelings for Shane.

Rick & Lori's marriage hasn't been good for a long time.

And she knows it was Shane that saved her and Carl at the beginning so there is no doubt some feelings of guilt there over Shane's demise.

I think everyone was mad about how she acted.

The writer (on talking live and on a separate we interview) said the reason she was mad was because she was deflecting her own blame. She knows she is responsible for it as she pushed for it to happen.

Now, I don't know if she comes out and says that later on to clarify it or not. If she does not than I think most of the audience will miss it and take it for something else.

[BrAinPaiNt]

My only problem with Lori is she is the worst mother on the planet.

How the hell do you lose your son as much as she does in the middle of a zombie apocalypse?

Her only freaking job is to watch that kid ...... and she never has a clue where he is at.

She is worse than the home alone mom.

Agreed.

I mean I can understand if it is once in a great while that he slips away. But it seems he is always outside walking around from person to person or out in the woods and so on.

If she is not going to watch him better than she is now maybe she should Get that kid a walkie talkie and make him wear it so if she can't find him she can call him or something.

[Eric_Boyer]

not a fan of the zombie pets direction.

I can handle the fake gun play hollywood always throws at us, but docile zombies on leashes went too far in comic book fiction for my liking.

call me crazy, but I like my zombie Apocalypse to be grounded a bit more in logic and science.

[Eric_Boyer]

Who got bit in the RV? I thought it was Darryl but then he was on a motorcycle later...?


Jimmy (non regular) got bit.

[Phoenix]

not a fan of the zombie pets direction.

I can handle the fake gun play hollywood always throws at us, but docile zombies on leashes went too far in comic book fiction for my liking.

call me crazy, but I like my zombie Apocalypse to be grounded a bit more in logic and science.


The zombie pets shouldn't last very long if they follow the comic.

[Eric_Boyer]

The zombie pets shouldn't last very long if they follow the comic.

unless I find that zombies can be drugged to become so docile, *I'm not liking the cliff hanger we saw at the end.

we can't explain it away with the no arms or no jaw because they would still have the instinct to do damage, even if they were physically unable to.

I have a co-worker that has already attempted to justified it as he has read the novels, but I 'm not happy with his defense.

the show needs to come up with something better then what I was told.

[MichaelWinicki]

But Eric that was kind of a kick-arse scene with the hooded do-gooder and the two chained zombies behind. :)

[ethiostar]

I HATE Lori!!!

[Doomsday]

not a fan of the zombie pets direction.

I can handle the fake gun play hollywood always throws at us, but docile zombies on leashes went too far in comic book fiction for my liking.

call me crazy, but I like my zombie Apocalypse to be grounded a bit more in logic and science.

Seems like they are more than just pets to me. You would think they would help mask her human smell and make it easier for her to walk amongst them.

[MichaelWinicki]

Seems like they are more than just pets to me. You would think they would help mask her human smell and make it easier for her to walk amongst them.

Yeah, that's the conclusion I came to.

[Eric_Boyer]

Seems like they are more than just pets to me. You would think they would help mask her human smell and make it easier for her to walk amongst them.

I know that is the lame explanation from the GN, but in reality, they would draw attention to the person.

[zrinkill]

I know that is the lame explanation from the GN, but in reality, they would draw attention to the person.

Nope ... same thing as covering themselves with zombie gore.

[iceberg]

Yeah, that's the conclusion I came to.

as someone noted, unless she found some wonderdrug to chill out zombies, no jaw, no arms, no matter. they will come at you until dead. again. to have her boyfriend and his brother (or something like that) in chains all nice and handy is a pretty huge direct contradiction to the entire premise.

we'll have to see how they explain that one but it won't be easy.

i was disappointed in this one to be honest. parts i loved, parts made no sense. if you see a ton of zombies coming at you, hop in a car and honk them away while you stay quiet on the farm. too bad they don't have the challenger anymore with the alarm that wouldn't stop.

rick. what the hell happened to him? i'm not sure i like this change in him or his reasons to kill shane. *i wanted him dead*. well that's going to make it harder for everyone to believe shane was out to kill rick and it was self defense.

he has a nice 1:1 with lori about it all and then just shout out to the entire group I KILLED MY BEST FRIEND FOR YOU!!!!!

there's a million ways to tell people what happened and he found the worst possible way to do that. he's lost trust he will now have to regain and he did it right after daryl said rick was honorable. he freaked out his son (and good lord dude, for as much as you're outside GET A TAN!) and is really only splintering the group.

telling them my way or the highway in the middle of nowhere only means people will likely jump ship later.

from what i understand from talking dead, this is a new rick. rick was always based on what was good for the group and to see I WANTED HIM DEAD was such a character turnaround that made no sense to me. in every situation he's calmly worked through it by a solid through process.

it was interesting everyone knew to go back to the highway. that and they all got there together just in the nick of time, but that's hollywood.

still my favorite show but they lost me some in this one. too many changes all at once and then the comic book zombies on a leash.

i want hershels shotgun. sucker can hold a ton of shells.

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

I believe that I read on here the Tara from True Blood was going to be playing Michonne but she isn't. It's a girl from Treme.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/%E2%80%98walking-dead%E2%80%99-season-finale-introduces-new-character--has-the-web-buzzing.html

[Eric_Boyer]

Nope ... same thing as covering themselves with zombie gore.

zombie slime doesn't have the instinct to kill as zombie pets do.

removing arms and mandible would not stop them from trying to get at you. zombies are strong enough to pull down a horse as we witnessed in a previous episode, yet this women has two attached by leashes, and they sit their all docile.

no way in hell is that smart.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/51/Fonzie_jumps_the_shark.PNG/220px-Fonzie_jumps_the_shark.PNG

[Joshmvii]

Zombie fiction is not rooted 100% in realistic premises. Surprise, surprise.

[zrinkill]

Zombie fiction is not rooted 100% in realistic premises. Surprise, surprise.

:laugh2:

Yup ...... its like complaining spongebob can start fires underwater.

[Eric_Boyer]

Zombie fiction is not rooted 100% in realistic premises. Surprise, surprise.

obviously, but the show suffers if they deviate too much from common sense reality. Up to this point I thought they did a good job of keeping it real.

Its one thing to suspend reality and accept the premise of the zombie Apocalypse. decades of ridiculous Hollywood gun play has allowed me to overlook the silly way they depict guns operate, but pet zombies jumped the shark for me.

[zrinkill]

removing arms and mandible would not stop them from trying to get at you. zombies are strong enough to pull down a horse as we witnessed in a previous episode, yet this women has two attached by leashes, and they sit their all docile

In the comic they made it clear that they tried to attack her for weeks ..... then fell into a "trancelike" state after they could not.

They sorta "got used to her" and became catatonic.

[Eric_Boyer]

In the comic they made it clear that they tried to attack her for weeks ..... then fell into a "trancelike" state after they could not.

They sorta "got used to her" and became catatonic.

yes, that was explained to me. They would do better to introduce some intravenous injection that produced the harmless zombie pets.

or they can continue down the cartoonish superhuman fonzie that is able to jump sharks at will, train the undead, and so on.

[zrinkill]

or they can continue down the cartoonish superhuman fonzie that is able to jump sharks at will, train the undead, and so on.

I am sorry the zombie show is getting too far-fetched for you .... but it is staying in line with the very successful 9 year old comic series.

[Eric_Boyer]

I am sorry the zombie show is getting too far-fetched for you .... but it is staying in line with the very successful 9 year old comic series.

It has deviated enough to make me hope for more deviations.

Take Merle for example.

[zrinkill]

It has deviated enough

There is a reason Kirkman took complete control and replaced season ones director.

If you do not like the comic ..... I suggest you find something else to watch .....because it is gonna be much closer to the original from here on out than last year.

[EGTuna]

There is a reason Kirkman took complete control and replaced season ones director.

If you do not like the comic ..... I suggest you find something else to watch .....because it is gonna be much closer to the original from here on out than last year.

Kirkman didn't replace original showrunner Frank Darabount. Glenn Mazzara did. However, Mazzara is going to keep it closer to the comic and not have nearly as much "Time on the Farm" that Darabount did.

[Eric_Boyer]

There is a reason Kirkman took complete control and replaced season ones director.

If you do not like the comic ..... I suggest you find something else to watch .....because it is gonna be much closer to the original from here on out than last year.

naa, I'll continue to point out the stupid things in the plot.

everyone else can focus on the unlimited rounds of ammo, I have bigger fish to fry