Interesting fact from the New York Daily News

[Displaced Cowboy]

The Jets, Cowboys, and Titans are the only teams with no players left from their 2001 drafts.

Jets:

1 16 Santana Moss WR Miami
2 49 LaMont Jordan RB Maryland
3 79 Kareem McKenzie T Penn State
4 101 Jamie Henderson CB Georgia
7 206 James Reed NT Iowa State
7 217 Tupe Peko G Michigan State

Cowboys:

2 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 56 Tony Dixon SS Alabama
3 93 Willie Blade DT Mississippi State
4 122 Markus Steele OLB Southern California
5 137 Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
6 171 Daleroy Stewart DT Southern Mississippi
7 207 Colston Weatherington NT Central Missouri
7 240 John Nix NT Southern Mississippi
7 242 Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State

Titans:

2 60 Andre Dyson CB Utah
3 90 Shad Meier TE Kansas State
4 124 Justin McCareins WR Northern Illinois
5 159 Eddie Berlin WR Northern Iowa
6 192 Dan Alexander RB Nebraska
6 199 Adam Haayer T Minnesota
7 232 Keith Adams OLB Clemson

[edwardo]

well, the jets can say that have L. Cole in place of Moss; so this is not as bad for the Jets as it is for the Boys; the really sad lesson is to identify who we could have should have might have taken in this draft; the crackhead quarterback is what really hurt.

[speedkilz88]

Willie Blade is actually on the Cowboys roster. :p:

[Redball Express]

The Jets, Cowboys, and Titans are the only teams with no players left from their 2001 drafts.

Jets:

1 16 Santana Moss WR Miami
2 49 LaMont Jordan RB Maryland
3 79 Kareem McKenzie T Penn State
4 101 Jamie Henderson CB Georgia
7 206 James Reed NT Iowa State
7 217 Tupe Peko G Michigan State

Cowboys:

2 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 56 Tony Dixon SS Alabama
3 93 Willie Blade DT Mississippi State
4 122 Markus Steele OLB Southern California
5 137 Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
6 171 Daleroy Stewart DT Southern Mississippi
7 207 Colston Weatherington NT Central Missouri
7 240 John Nix NT Southern Mississippi
7 242 Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State

Titans:

2 60 Andre Dyson CB Utah
3 90 Shad Meier TE Kansas State
4 124 Justin McCareins WR Northern Illinois
5 159 Eddie Berlin WR Northern Iowa
6 192 Dan Alexander RB Nebraska
6 199 Adam Haayer T Minnesota
7 232 Keith Adams OLB Clemson


In our case, maybe bad science prior to BP's arrival. I think we are looking at a more artful draft this year with all the options the team has manufactured based on FA and the trades last year in the 2004 draft.

I think our drafts have been remarlably better since BP got here. Even last year's is a good one once we end up seeing what that trade for our last year's #1 brings this year.

You really can't evaluate 2004 until we do 2005's draft. And 2003 was a good draft, too.

The figures above are interesting, but not that much of a surprise.

I think you also need to look at which of those players are still in the NFL, too.

I think a number of those guys are still playing elsewhere, so that doesn't mean they are busts completely. They just couldn't beat out our starters, ended up not fitting our schemes or got injured and never caught up.

Anyway, not much matters before Parcell's arrival. We know the drafts were run by Jones and Lacewell and one of those guys are no longer with the team.

Thanks goodness.

Later.

ParcellsWaterBoy

[big dog cowboy]

I wouldn't use the word 'interesting' to describe that draft.

[Redball Express]

I say interesting that the three teams mentioned had the same results 4 years later with their drafts. Both the Jets and certainly the Titans were much better teams than the Cowboys have been and they were not cap strapped like we were.

They could afford better players in FA, too, as they had more money to spend.

So it's interesting that they had better winning records for the same time period than we did and also experienced similar drafts.

Like they say, you have to wait 4 years later to see how the drafts really worked out.

Interesting.

ParcellsWaterBoy

[MichaelWinicki]

I wouldn't use the word 'interesting' to describe that draft.


LOL!

Yep BDC... I'm thinking more like a word that contains four letters, starts with "s" and ends in "t".

[p1_]

who drafted at NY that year? It wasn't Bill's was it?

[big dog cowboy]

LOL!

Yep BDC... I'm thinking more like a word that contains four letters, starts with "s" and ends in "t".
I was thinking much than that. Even on a Sunday. :o

[jay cee]

The Jets, Cowboys, and Titans are the only teams with no players left from their 2001 drafts.

Jets:

1 16 Santana Moss WR Miami
2 49 LaMont Jordan RB Maryland
3 79 Kareem McKenzie T Penn State
4 101 Jamie Henderson CB Georgia
7 206 James Reed NT Iowa State
7 217 Tupe Peko G Michigan State

Cowboys:

2 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 56 Tony Dixon SS Alabama
3 93 Willie Blade DT Mississippi State
4 122 Markus Steele OLB Southern California
5 137 Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
6 171 Daleroy Stewart DT Southern Mississippi
7 207 Colston Weatherington NT Central Missouri
7 240 John Nix NT Southern Mississippi
7 242 Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State

Titans:

2 60 Andre Dyson CB Utah
3 90 Shad Meier TE Kansas State
4 124 Justin McCareins WR Northern Illinois
5 159 Eddie Berlin WR Northern Iowa
6 192 Dan Alexander RB Nebraska
6 199 Adam Haayer T Minnesota
7 232 Keith Adams OLB Clemson
I think the difference in the Jets and Titans drafts from the Cowboys, is that they both lost players they wanted to keep due to salary cap problems. the Cowboys did not have anyone from that draft that was worth keeping. And they have had plenty of cap room.

[Juke99]

Yep but that Jerry Jones....he's the best owner in football...he always wants to win...best darn owner in football...

OK maybe there's a bit of a problem in that he always wants to win, as long as his ego gets stoked..hence years and years of awful drafts...and the refusal to step aside until Parcells arrived...about 7 years too late.

But hey, he's the best darn owner in football..

:rolleyes: :D

[Hostile]

I say interesting that the three teams mentioned had the same results 4 years later with their drafts. Both the Jets and certainly the Titans were much better teams than the Cowboys have been and they were not cap strapped like we were.

They could afford better players in FA, too, as they had more money to spend.

So it's interesting that they had better winning records for the same time period than we did and also experienced similar drafts.

Like they say, you have to wait 4 years later to see how the drafts really worked out.

Interesting.

ParcellsWaterBoyHuh? I've read that twice and still don't know what point you were trying to make. Maybe it's too early for me. Bail me out will ya?

[big dog cowboy]

But hey, he's the best darn owner in football..
OK so sometimes he isn't always the smartest. At least he is still the best. :D

[Hostile]

Yep but that Jerry Jones....he's the best owner in football...he always wants to win...best darn owner in football...

OK maybe there's a bit of a problem in that he always wants to win, as long as his ego gets stoked..hence years and years of awful drafts...and the refusal to step aside until Parcells arrived...about 7 years too late.

But hey, he's the best darn owner in football..

:rolleyes: :DI do think he's the best owner in the NFL. First of all he truly does want to win, but even that isn't a factor for me. He has a vision for this team's appeal with a new stadium, etc. Even that isn't a factor for me.

Jerry cemented that opinion for me on October 10th, 1999.

On that day in Philadelphia Michael Irvin's football career ended. Jerry Jones not only left the owner's box he left the game and rode in an ambulance to the hospital with Michael so that he could use his cell phone to keep in contact with Michael's wife back home in Dallas.

To me, that makes him the best owner in the NFL.

If only he was as good a GM. On that title I feel he has missed the mark, but not on ownership.

[adbutcher]

I do think he's the best owner in the NFL. First of all he truly does want to win, but even that isn't a factor for me. He has a vision for this team's appeal with a new stadium, etc. Even that isn't a factor for me.

Jerry cemented that opinion for me on Ocotber 10th, 1999.

On that day in Philadelphia Michael Irvin's football career ended. Jerry Jones not only left the owner's box he left the game and rode in an ambulance to the hospital with Michael so that he could use his cell phone to keep in contact with Michael's wife back home in Dallas.

To me, that makes him the best owner in the NFL.

If only he was as good a GM. On that title I feel he has missed the mark, but not on ownership.
:hammer: I agree with every word.

Highjack: I have three offers from three companies in Houston. I have gone into stall mode because I don't want to committ until the end of the school semester (05/02/2005).

I return you to your schedule programming. :)

[Juke99]

I do think he's the best owner in the NFL. First of all he truly does want to win, but even that isn't a factor for me. He has a vision for this team's appeal with a new stadium, etc. Even that isn't a factor for me.

Jerry cemented that opinion for me on Ocotber 10th, 1999.

On that day in Philadelphia Michael Irvin's football career ended. Jerry Jones not only left the owner's box he left the game and rode in an ambulance to the hospital with Michael so that he could use his cell phone to keep in contact with Michael's wife back home in Dallas.

To me, that makes him the best owner in the NFL.

If only he was as good a GM. On that title I feel he has missed the mark, but not on ownership.


I can't see how you can make a distinction between the owner and the GM when they are one in the same....

Ya see, to my way of thinking...if Jerry the GM wasn't Jerry the owner, he'd have been fired a LONG time ago...the only reason he is still the GM is because he puts his ego before the team...and that is detrimental to the organization and its fan base.

And that's not good ownership.

Just one guy's opinion.

[junk]

At least those other teams drafted some players. Dallas drafted a bunch of sacks of crap

[junk]

I do think he's the best owner in the NFL. First of all he truly does want to win, but even that isn't a factor for me. He has a vision for this team's appeal with a new stadium, etc. Even that isn't a factor for me.

Jerry cemented that opinion for me on Ocotber 10th, 1999.

On that day in Philadelphia Michael Irvin's football career ended. Jerry Jones not only left the owner's box he left the game and rode in an ambulance to the hospital with Michael so that he could use his cell phone to keep in contact with Michael's wife back home in Dallas.

To me, that makes him the best owner in the NFL.

If only he was as good a GM. On that title I feel he has missed the mark, but not on ownership.

And Hard Knocks when he was in there with Anthony Lucas. Called his parents and everything. Might have just been for the TV cameras, but I get the impression that his concern about his players in genuine.

As far as Jerry the GM, he is also fits in the category of "sack of crap"

[Juke99]

And Hard Knocks when he was in there with Anthony Lucas. Called his parents and everything. Might have just been for the TV cameras, but I get the impression that his concern about his players in genuine.

As far as Jerry the GM, he is also fits in the category of "sack of crap"


Now, not being argumentative here...but how can Jerry be a great owner if he refuses to fire Jerry the GM?

I'm just curious as to the thinking that splits the two...

[Hostile]

:hammer: I agree with every word.

Highjack: I have three offers from three companies in Houston. I have gone into stall mode because I don't want to committ until the end of the school semester (05/02/2005).

I return you to your schedule programming. :)I send you my good thoughts and wishes that you get the dream job that best suits your family.

[Hostile]

I can't see how you can make a distinction between the owner and the GM when they are one in the same....

Ya see, to my way of thinking...if Jerry the GM wasn't Jerry the owner, he'd have been fired a LONG time ago...the only reason he is still the GM is because he puts his ego before the team...and that is detrimental to the organization and its fan base.

And that's not good ownership.

Just one guy's opinion.I make the distinction because in my mind they are 2 different hats that he wears. As an owner he has advanced things in the competition committee and has changed the way teams market themselves. As a businessman he is unparalleled across the spectrum of owners. For someone who is very visible as an owner he simply doesn't coem across as about money only even though he clearly knows what eh is doing there. His passion and compassion for the team is obvious to me.

As a GM he doesn't inspire confidence in me. At times I think he is too loyal. On the positive side he seems to have turned over a new leaf and is stepping out of the spotlight more and more.

If he ever got around to hiring a football guy to be the GM or at least the Director of Player Personnel (read Ron Wolf, Bill Polian, or Scott Pioli) I don't doubt that the team would make a huge leap forward.

His players love him for his dedication to them. That means a lot to me.

[kmp77]

LOL!

Yep BDC... I'm thinking more like a word that contains four letters, starts with "s" and ends in "t".

Soft? I don't get it....

[Juke99]

I make the distinction because in my mind they are 2 different hats that he wears. As an owner he has advanced things in the competition committee and has changed the way teams market themselves. As a businessman he is unparalleled across the spectrum of owners. For someone who is very visible as an owner he simply doesn't coem across as about money only even though he clearly knows what eh is doing there. His passion and compassion for the team is obvious to me.

As a GM he doesn't inspire confidence in me. At times I think he is too loyal. On the positive side he seems to have turned over a new leaf and is stepping out of the spotlight more and more.

If he ever got around to hiring a football guy to be the GM or at least the Director of Player Personnel (read Ron Wolf, Bill Polian, or Scott Pioli) I don't doubt that the team would make a huge leap forward.

His players love him for his dedication to them. That means a lot to me.



Well, for me, it's not two different hats...it's one hat, in a hierarchical organization and sitting at the top of the organization is an owner, who makes all final decisions.

The GM reports to that owner....they aren't equal, lateral, positions...

The GM would have been fired long ago...If the GM and owner weren't two in the same.

And I don't completely share your view about being $$$ driven. In fact, part of the reason I have a problem with the shared GM and owner roles is because there is no system of checks and balances. Jerry the owner is first and foremost a businessman and marketing guy...the GM is a football man. In this case, the owner markets the team by bringing in Joey Galloway for two one's and tries to sell the "Ram's vertical passing game" to the fans ...the owner, brings in Quincy and immediately starts comparing him to Troy Aikman saying he hasn't been this excited about a player since they had Aikman...that's all sales..all marketing...and the GM, if a different person, would NEVER have done that.

Now, my tolerance for Jerry has grown since Parcells has come aboard...if only because it proves, after WAY too long, that he is willing to at least share the GM duties.

Anyway...we'll all feel the way we do...no one will change minds...but it's fun to knock the subject around.

Please don't hurt me. :nervous:

[Hostile]

Well, for me, it's not two different hats...it's one hat, in a hierarchical organization and sitting at the top of the organization is an owner, who makes all final decisions.

The GM reports to that owner....they aren't equal, lateral, positions...

The GM would have been fired long ago...If the GM and owner weren't two in the same.

And I don't completely share your view about being $$$ driven. In fact, part of the reason I have a problem with the shared GM and owner roles is because there is no system of checks and balances. Jerry the owner is first and foremost a businessman and marketing guy...the GM is a football man. In this case, the owner markets the team by bringing in Joey Galloway for two one's and tries to sell the "Ram's vertical passing game" to the fans ...the owner, brings in Quincy and immediately starts comparing him to Troy Aikman saying he hasn't been this excited about a player since they had Aikman...that's all sales..all marketing...and the GM, if a different person, would NEVER have done that.

Now, my tolerance for Jerry has grown since Parcells has come aboard...if only because it proves, after WAY too long, that he is willing to at least share the GM duties.

Anyway...we'll all feel the way we do...no one will change minds...but it's fun to knock the subject around.

Please don't hurt me. :nervous:Again, I do not deny that Jerry is not a good GM. In my mind he isn't and hasn't been. Replaying his failures as GM won't emphasize that to me because I already acknowledge he is lacking.

Owners have a myriad of duties and Jerry has changed the way most of them do things. These men do not emulate failures.

Jerry bought this team for 180 million and last year it was valued at 800 million and when the new stadium is done it will easily become the NFL's most valuable team at over a billion dollars in worth. There isn't a business anywhere in the world that wouldn't jump all over that kind of growth.

He has faults, but bad owner isn't in the sentence for me. Not even because he doesn't fire himself. If I were in his shoes I would move aside, but I am not him. I know he feels he has the Midas touch and will succeed as a GM. Part of me admires that in him. The fan in me gets frustrated by it.

[big dog cowboy]

You guys could make a debate about if the glass is half full or half empty interesting.

[deerssur]

The Jets, Cowboys, and Titans are the only teams with no players left from their 2001 drafts.

Jets:

1 16 Santana Moss WR Miami
2 49 LaMont Jordan RB Maryland
3 79 Kareem McKenzie T Penn State
4 101 Jamie Henderson CB Georgia
7 206 James Reed NT Iowa State
7 217 Tupe Peko G Michigan State

Cowboys:

2 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 56 Tony Dixon SS Alabama
3 93 Willie Blade DT Mississippi State
4 122 Markus Steele OLB Southern California
5 137 Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
6 171 Daleroy Stewart DT Southern Mississippi
7 207 Colston Weatherington NT Central Missouri
7 240 John Nix NT Southern Mississippi
7 242 Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State

Titans:

2 60 Andre Dyson CB Utah
3 90 Shad Meier TE Kansas State
4 124 Justin McCareins WR Northern Illinois
5 159 Eddie Berlin WR Northern Iowa
6 192 Dan Alexander RB Nebraska
6 199 Adam Haayer T Minnesota
7 232 Keith Adams OLB Clemson


what a horrible draft that year. i do remember being very disappointed about our terrible picks. at least the jets and titans got some decent players out of it for a while. we must have let murray the wonder mule draft for us.

[StonetheCrow77]

Now, not being argumentative here...but how can Jerry be a great owner if he refuses to fire Jerry the GM?

I'm just curious as to the thinking that splits the two...

he finally did... thus BP handling the players and Stephen Jones handling the cap... a bit too late, but better late than never, right?

[ghettogandhi]

The Jets, Cowboys, and Titans are the only teams with no players left from their 2001 drafts.

Jets:

1 16 Santana Moss WR Miami
2 49 LaMont Jordan RB Maryland
3 79 Kareem McKenzie T Penn State
4 101 Jamie Henderson CB Georgia
7 206 James Reed NT Iowa State
7 217 Tupe Peko G Michigan State

Cowboys:

2 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 56 Tony Dixon SS Alabama
3 93 Willie Blade DT Mississippi State
4 122 Markus Steele OLB Southern California
5 137 Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
6 171 Daleroy Stewart DT Southern Mississippi
7 207 Colston Weatherington NT Central Missouri
7 240 John Nix NT Southern Mississippi
7 242 Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State

Titans:

2 60 Andre Dyson CB Utah
3 90 Shad Meier TE Kansas State
4 124 Justin McCareins WR Northern Illinois
5 159 Eddie Berlin WR Northern Iowa
6 192 Dan Alexander RB Nebraska
6 199 Adam Haayer T Minnesota
7 232 Keith Adams OLB Clemson

big difference between the teams though

Jets had a great draft
Jordan will be a very good back
Mckenzie is a top 15 tackle
Santana Moss is a good deep threat and returner

too bad they all left

tennesee had a weak draft
Dyson and Mccareins are the only solid players they got that year

cowboys

we got nothing from that draft
Blade had the most potential-but he managed to eat and sleep his way to NFL europe

[Bach]

I do think he's the best owner in the NFL. First of all he truly does want to win, but even that isn't a factor for me

Jerry cemented that opinion for me on October 10th, 1999.

On that day in Philadelphia Michael Irvin's football career ended. Jerry Jones not only left the owner's box he left the game and rode in an ambulance to the hospital with Michael so that he could use his cell phone to keep in contact with Michael's wife back home in Dallas.

To me, that makes him the best owner in the NFL.

If only he was as good a GM. On that title I feel he has missed the mark, but not on ownership.

The best owner in football would've hired a quality GM and HC within days of Jimmy leaving in the spring of '94. It wouldn't have took 3 consecutive 5-11 seasons 9 years later for him to decide to put his ego aside and legitimately try allowing someone else to have a major role in building the team.

But I do agree that Jerry is a great marketing director and a really nice guy.

[Jon88]

The best owner in football would've hired a quality GM and HC within days of Jimmy leaving in the spring of '94. It wouldn't have took 3 consecutive 5-11 seasons 9 years later for him to decide to put his ego aside and legitimately try allowing someone else to have a major role in building the team.

But I do agree that Jerry is a great marketing director and a really nice guy.


It took 9-10 horrible drafts before he finally put his enormous ego aside, and he only did that because his team was run right into the ground.

The guy's an idiot. I hope he reads this thread, too.

[junk]

Now, not being argumentative here...but how can Jerry be a great owner if he refuses to fire Jerry the GM?

I'm just curious as to the thinking that splits the two...

Well, you make a valid point and it is one of Jerry's shortcomings as an owner. I guess you just have to assume that he isn't going to fire Jerry the GM since they are one and the same. Of course, he has given quite a bit of control to BP, so he is making strides.

My point is that he treats his players well, doesn't seem to cut corners and genuinely makes an effort to make the Cowboys the best that he can, so I consider him a good owner.

My tune has changed on Jerry though. I still have a copy of that magazine that had a cartoon of Jerry with devil horns on the cover asking "Is Jerry Jones the Devil?". When that came out, I thought it was right on target.

[Jon88]

Well, you make a valid point and it is one of Jerry's shortcomings as an owner. I guess you just have to assume that he isn't going to fire Jerry the GM since they are one and the same. Of course, he has given quite a bit of control to BP, so he is making strides.

My point is that he treats his players well, doesn't seem to cut corners and genuinely makes an effort to make the Cowboys the best that he can, so I consider him a good owner.

My tune has changed on Jerry though. I still have a copy of that magazine that had a cartoon of Jerry with devil horns on the cover asking "Is Jerry Jones the Devil?". When that came out, I thought it was right on target.


This is the guy who totally wrecked our team, and people have the nerve to say he's a good owner. Give me a break. The guy's an egotistical loser.

[junk]

This is the guy who totally wrecked our team, and people have the nerve to say he's a good owner. Give me a break. The guy's an egotistical loser.

Huh? Didn't Jones' moves at least help to bring Dallas three Super Bowls? Sure, Jimmy did a lot too, but someone had to sign Jimmy first.

Reread my posts, I am very critical of his skills as a general manager. Take a look into an owner like Bill Bidwell or Mike Brown before you criticize Jones too much as an owner.

As an owner, Jones is one of the best in the league. As a GM, he is near the bottom.

[LaTunaNostra]

The Titans and Jets don't have anyone left from pretty decent 2001 drafts due to cap issues. Moss is a starting wideout on most teams, MacKenzie is a star RT, and Jordan would have started on many teams, but languished behind Martin. Let me just say of Jordan that he is the player a man who knows running backs, Norv Turner, is hoping to make it all work around in Oakland, and that includes Collins to Porter and Randy Moss working off play action. Also I think James Reed is still in NY, a valuable situational DT. It's news to me if he's been released.

The Titans produced a starting receivers there, McCairens, who made Santana Moss expendable, and a few others are still bouncing around the league. The Titans are undergoing a two year massive internal blood letting. And like the Boys, they had no first rounder in 01.

I don't get the point of this "research", but I smell Hostile's favorite word: "agenda". Not by the poster, but by the originator who apparently originally chose an arbitrary year, and then discounted two decent to good drafts offset by future cap woes, and one in Dallas w/o a first, but which produced a few middle and latter round guys who managed to outdo the average NFL career longevity. I don't think Matt is finished in this league, and considering the postion Blade and Stewart play, that will keep them employed a while longer, even if for Willie it's via IR. Not to mention the top pick for the Boys was a tortured soul who skews the odds everywhere he goes.

I've seen "worse" statistics. The more interesting question might be whose name on that list most makes you want to barf.

For me it's Tony D. :)

[Jon88]

Huh? Didn't Jones' moves at least help to bring Dallas three Super Bowls? Sure, Jimmy did a lot too, but someone had to sign Jimmy first.

Reread my posts, I am very critical of his skills as a general manager. Take a look into an owner like Bill Bidwell or Mike Brown before you criticize Jones too much as an owner.

As an owner, Jones is one of the best in the league. As a GM, he is near the bottom.


Excluding Parcells (who was a no brainer), after taking a look at the head coaches he's hired - Johnson, Switzer, Gailey, Campo - I would say he lucked out in hiring Johnson.

[trickblue]

This is the guy who totally wrecked our team, and people have the nerve to say he's a good owner. Give me a break. The guy's an egotistical loser.

You need to separate owner from GM... as an owner... he wants to win badly... and that goes along way to being a good owner... as he will spend money to improve this team...

As a GM... well... there-in lies the problem... he isn't TOTALLY inept... but it certainly appears so... especially the last few years... but he did have some say-so in some solid past drafts... he is just enamored with the "steal pick" as opposed to the "solid pick"... much in the tradition of Gil Brandt...

If you remember, he took over a team decimated of talent from the latter years of Brandt, Schramm and Landry making the calls...

His turning over the reigns to BP draft-wise speaks volumes as to his moniker of good owner...

[Bach]

If you remember, he took over a team decimated of talent from the latter years of Brandt, Schramm and Landry making the calls...

His turning over the reigns to BP draft-wise speaks volumes as to his moniker of good owner...

One, Jerry bought the team that was decimated of talent. Thank God we had someone like Jimmy making the personnel decisions those first five years.

Two, it shouldn't have taken 9 years, the last three of which ended in 5-11 seasons for him to finally turn the reins over.

[Jon88]

One, Jerry bought the team that was decimated of talent. Thank God we had someone like Jimmy making the personnel decisions those first five years.

Two, it shouldn't have taken 9 years, the last three of which ended in 5-11 seasons for him to finally turn the reins over.


That's exactly what I think. He should have hired a real footbal guy after the team went 6-10 under Switzer. Unfortunately, he continued to wreck the team for five more years.

[trickblue]

One, Jerry bought the team that was decimated of talent. Thank God we had someone like Jimmy making the personnel decisions those first five years.

Two, it shouldn't have taken 9 years, the last three of which ended in 5-11 seasons for him to finally turn the reins over.

See... herein lies the problem... Jimmy gets WAY too much credit for his drafting prowess as he made plenty of bad picks... all teams do...

He hit on a few... that is all any team can ask for...

My point was that, yes, Jerry tried to make a statement after the departure of Jimmy with making all of the picks... he wasn't equipped to do that... BUT...

A good owner is essential to picking/signing quality players from other teams... and Jerry has usually deferred to his coaching staff when doing that...

[Crown Royal]

This is the guy who totally wrecked our team, and people have the nerve to say he's a good owner. Give me a break. The guy's an egotistical loser.

Salary cap and dead money had a lot to do with that too.....

[Jon88]

Salary cap and dead money had a lot to do with that too.....


Right. Had he drafted well and spent his money wisely, those wouldn't have been big factors.

[Crown Royal]

Right. Had he drafted well and spent his money wisely, those wouldn't have been big factors.

Seeing that noone really KNEW the effect the cap would have, there was no precedent, its hard to blame someone for that. I feel he has learned his lesson on the Cap and will spend wisely from here on out.

That being said, ALL teams, regardless of GM, owner, etc., go through years of good and bad. The Cowboys are no different. I am very glad to have a man like Jones owning my favorite team.

[Jon88]

Seeing that noone really KNEW the effect the cap would have, there was no precedent, its hard to blame someone for that. I feel he has learned his lesson on the Cap and will spend wisely from here on out.

That being said, ALL teams, regardless of GM, owner, etc., go through years of good and bad. The Cowboys are no different. I am very glad to have a man like Jones owning my favorite team.


It was easy to see the effect the cap would have. You have a set amount of money you can spend and a set number of players you can spend it on. It took years for him to learn that, but I agree, I think he's learned.

[VA Cowboy]

See... herein lies the problem... Jimmy gets WAY too much credit for his drafting prowess as he made plenty of bad picks... all teams do...

He hit on a few... that is all any team can ask for...

My point was that, yes, Jerry tried to make a statement after the departure of Jimmy with making all of the picks... he wasn't equipped to do that... BUT...

A good owner is essential to picking/signing quality players from other teams... and Jerry has usually deferred to his coaching staff when doing that...


Actually, he hit on quite a few. I'm not saying he never made a bad pick. The point is, we hit on a good percentage of players coupled with several great trades and him being a good coach.

The only statement Jerry tried to make once he left was that he was just as good of a GM, just like he felt any one of 500 coaches were just as good as Jimmy.

Jerry's ego wrecked this team in so many ways it's almost unfathomable.

I know some want to sweep in under the rug by saying they don't want to talk about the past. But 9 years of stumbling and bumbling due to one man's intense ego is a little much to just shrug off.

[edwardo]

Yep but that Jerry Jones....he's the best owner in football...he always wants to win...best darn owner in football...

OK maybe there's a bit of a problem in that he always wants to win, as long as his ego gets stoked..hence years and years of awful drafts...and the refusal to step aside until Parcells arrived...about 7 years too late.

But hey, he's the best darn owner in football..

:rolleyes: :D

Interesting that your sig photo with St. Tom Landry, peace be upon him, contains two Super Bowl trophies. Hmmmmmm, I wonder where the other three came from??

[Redball Express]

Huh? I've read that twice and still don't know what point you were trying to make. Maybe it's too early for me. Bail me out will ya?


The word 'interesting' was used in one of my posts. I'm trying to expand why the original post is interesting. It's interesting in that the other two teams continued to win despite their drafts that no longer work for them..those players have moved on.

Those teams obviously had things that helped them overcome their poor drafting. I'm assuming they were managing their caps alot better than we were that year and over the last 4 years and thus were able to sign some quality FA's and overcome their failures drafting talent in that year to still be competitive.

Part of the answer I'm sure was in available cap money they had verses Dallas. We were still reeling from having had Troy and cut him the year before and we hadn't drafted anybody to replace him.

Partly because, even if we had found a replacement, we were still writing off such a cap hit from Aikman retiring that we ended up signing a series of 1 year contract players until the cap hit was reduced and finally drafted Q basically because he was a low cost answer that the Cowboys thought they could sign to a multi-year low-risk contract that ended up killing us anyway.

What a complete mess. That whole series of events leads you right into the poor decisions the Cowboys made in the 2001 draft, trying to draft a guy like Quincy, etc. All those guys were reaches. All of them were sort of under-acheivers that the Cowboys were hoping they could get on the cheap and coach them into players. They were all projects.

Unfortunately, neither the coaches nor the players could pull it off.

So it's all interesting. Which brings us to the here and now.

Hindsight is great. Hindsight can be interesting. To look back at past drafts and learn from them is interesting.

The trick is to learn from it.

I'm not sure we have. We signed Henson and he's simliar to Q in many respects. Both having played baseball and interupting their football careers, both signing long-term-low-risk contracts and both being substantial projects to develop and both having question marks on their real abilities.

So it's all sot of interesting.

Hope that helps.

ParcellsWaterBoy

[VA Cowboy]

Interesting that your sig photo with St. Tom Landry, peace be upon him, contains two Super Bowl trophies. Hmmmmmm, I wonder where the other three came from??

Those three sure weren't the result of Jerry's drafting and GM prowess. ;)

You can thank a good scouting dept and a man named Jimmy for making those selections and building those teams of the early to mid 90's.

[silver]

Cowboys:

2 53 Quincy Carter QB Georgia
2 56 Tony Dixon SS Alabama
3 93 Willie Blade DT Mississippi State
4 122 Markus Steele OLB Southern California
5 137 Matt Lehr G Virginia Tech
6 171 Daleroy Stewart DT Southern Mississippi
7 207 Colston Weatherington NT Central Missouri
7 240 John Nix NT Southern Mississippi
7 242 Char-ron Dorsey T Florida State


considering we'd traded our 1st round pick in the galloway trade and we totally reached for Quincy and Dixon. Stewart, Nix, Lehr & Blade were serviceable back-up players for a couple of years. but our first selections killed our draft. How bad of a reach were carter, dixon and blade? cleveland took henry in the 4th round of the same draft.