If Dallas Passes On DeCastro For A Corner, How Will You Feel?

[Hoofbite]

IMO, worst case scenario.

Just wondering what others thought.

[Hostile]

Empty.

[Biggems]

if the corner is Morris Claiborne, then I will not be upset.....but since Claiborne goes no later than 7, then I will find myself wanting to go off even worse than when we drafted Barbie Doll.....

[Risen Star]

Like we still don't have a clue on how to build a football team.

[Biggems]

Also, I will feel like that Princeton degree hanging in Garrett's office is an absolute forgery.

[johnnyd]

pissed dont like dre or jenkins enough to pass decastro over.

[The Natural]

If the corner is Jenkins I wouldn't feel bad at all (honestly not sold on Claiborne or the Bama CB's). But of course this is all under the assumption that Fidel will even be there at 14

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Like we still don't have a clue on how to build a football team.

This.

[Biggems]

If the corner is Jenkins I wouldn't feel bad at all (honestly not sold on Claiborne or the Bama CB's). But of course this is all under the assumption that Fidel will even be there at 14

Claiborne is a freakin stud.....and he is one helluva kick returner as well.

[durrrr]

Violated.

[EJ Blue]

What's the likeliness that they'll draft OL two years straight? I think you know the answer.

[Biggems]

Violated.

i pictured ace ventura when he found out Einhorn was a man....:laugh2: :laugh2: :laugh2:

[burmafrd]

take the at best #2 corner over a guard that is looking like one that only comes along every few years at best is monumentally stupid.

which is why the possibility scares me that Jerruh could to it.

And that is besides the drug connections

[MonsterD]

pissed dont like dre or jenkins enough to pass decastro over.

This,,,,,,,,,,

[TheSport78]

I'll be looking for the nearest bridge...

[wittenacious]

DeCastrated.

[texbumthelife]

Torn.

I want to find a shut down corner in the draft and either Jenkins or Kirkpatrick could be that guy.

However, DeCastro is as close to automatic as it gets and would really solidify our OL.

[jjktkk]

Optimistic, because the Cowboys addressed the interior Oline thru free agency, and that they traded down, outta of the 14th slot, for extra picks.

[dadymat]

after watching the last part of last season id feel it was justified.....it was our secondary that kept us out of the playoffs last season not our OL....

****disclaimer****
I myself would prefer the OG.....but id understand the CB

[durrrr]

What's the likeliness that they'll draft OL two years straight? I think you know the answer.

I understand where you're coming from, but you could just as easily argue that finally drafting an OL in the first round shows that the team is finally making it a priority.

[Hoofbite]

DeCastrated.

:laugh2:

WINNER!

[Chuck 54]

CB, DL, OL, LB.....why would anyone object to any of these in round 1?

Don't know what will happen in FA, but right now, with the current roster, we need a starting CB much more than an upgrade at OG.

Right now Jenkins and Scandrick are the only CBs you'd even want to see on the field, and that's not good.

I hope Jenkins proves he's grown up, because he's my pick having shut down Blackburn and the kid from SC....he's a true cover cb who could start opposite Jenkins on day 1, keeping Scandrick on the slot.

[EJ Blue]

I understand where you're coming from, but you could just as easily argue that finally drafting an OL in the first round shows that the team is finally making it a priority.I get it, but I'm just trying to look at it through Jerry's eyes.

On draft day, I'd take DeCastro, who can start instantly instead of Jenkins. The inconsistency of rookie CBs frighten me, especially in today's pass happy NFL, and additionally, he's a little guy. It's best to look for proven CBs in free agency.

[DoomsDayD]

DeCastro isnt going to be there at 14. I am watching the combine today and it is like there favorite toy there...Decastro this,Decastro that. Hell they are using him as an example to lead off the drills. We need secondary help....IMMEDIATELY!!!!

[Risen Star]

I understand where you're coming from, but you could just as easily argue that finally drafting an OL in the first round shows that the team is finally making it a priority.

Finally drafting one and then seeing the results of that decision this year.

What moron would draft Tyron in the 1st round, watch him play this year and think we shouldn't do that again?

The fact that we made that pick makes it more likely we'll do it again.

[durrrr]

I get it, but I'm just trying to look at it through Jerry's eyes.

On draft day, I'd take DeCastro, who can start instantly instead of Jenkins. The inconsistency of rookie CBs frighten me, especially in today's pass happy NFL, and additionally, he's a little guy. It's best to look for proven CBs in free agency.

Pretty much exactly what I want to happen. Sign a CB like Tracy Porter (who I think is a more realistic option than Brandon Carr) and hope you can get DeCastro at 14.

[AmishCowboy]

Pretty much exactly what I want to happen. Sign a CB like Tracy Porter (who I think is a more realistic option than Brandon Carr) and hope you can get DeCastro at 14. Me too.

[jnday]

Like we still don't have a clue on how to build a football team.

Good answer .

[cowboy_ron]

It would show that we still don't get it

[jnday]

CB, DL, OL, LB.....why would anyone object to any of these in round 1?

Don't know what will happen in FA, but right now, with the current roster, we need a starting CB much more than an upgrade at OG.

Right now Jenkins and Scandrick are the only CBs you'd even want to see on the field, and that's not good.

I hope Jenkins proves he's grown up, because he's my pick having shut down Blackburn and the kid from SC....he's a true cover cb who could start opposite Jenkins on day 1, keeping Scandrick on the slot.

It would be easy to object when the corners that will be available , has character concerns . You don't take a chance that these guys have grown up with the 14th pick .

[RS12]

Like we still don't have a clue on how to build a football team.

This. If Mike Haynes or Deion was sitting there, it would be one thing, however it is all about either pass rush or pass protection. BTW none of the corners in the draft are Haynes or Deion.

[baj1dallas]

IMO, worst case scenario.

Just wondering what others thought.

Great. You can always get a decent guard in the second round or FA. Not so for cornerback.

[baj1dallas]

Finally drafting one and then seeing the results of that decision this year.

What moron would draft Tyron in the 1st round, watch him play this year and think we shouldn't do that again?

The fact that we made that pick makes it more likely we'll do it again.

What moron looks at teams like New England and NYG and thinks every lineman on the team has to be a first round pick?

[EJ Blue]

What moron looks at teams like New England and NYG and thinks every lineman on the team has to be a first round pick?Actually, the Giants could have benefited from a 1st round lineman or two, their OL sucks. Not that it matters anymore.

[Tex]

What moron looks at teams like New England and NYG and thinks every lineman on the team has to be a first round pick?

Ok here is a twist on the original question. Worth asking after some of the combine results are coming in for the OL.

So if Decastro is gone at 14, would you still take say Cordy Glenn at 14 over the CB's? I think Glenn is going to jump up a lot of draft boards after his combine workouts.

Tex

[GloryDaysRBack]

Lol...

[Kristen82]

Pretty much exactly what I want to happen. Sign a CB like Tracy Porter (who I think is a more realistic option than Brandon Carr) and hope you can get DeCastro at 14.

Don't we need a starting-quality CB with some size? StinkyBall is the only guy taller than 6' and everyone else is 5'11" or shorter.

[Double Trouble]

People will lose their minds when Jerry Jones drafts a tight end.

[DWAREZ]

DeCastro better be the pick, the kid looks like a great pick!

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

People will lose their minds when Jerry Jones drafts a tight end.

Don't jinx it.

[HoosierCowboy]

assuming DeC is available at 14

[jnday]

Great. You can always get a decent guard in the second round or FA. Not so for cornerback.

I guess every good cornerback in the NFL was a first round pick and I am sure that there has never been a good cornerback signed in free agency . Did you even think about this post before hitting the submit button ?

[Vanilla2]

Reaction would depend on what happens with free agency. I personally don't care for the idea of taking a guard at 14 this year.

[jnday]

Reaction would depend on what happens with free agency. I personally don't care for the idea of taking a guard at 14 this year.

If your not for taking the best guard prospect in this year's draft , you never will be for taking one .

[Risen Star]

What moron looks at teams like New England and NYG and thinks every lineman on the team has to be a first round pick?

What moron thinks we can find later round offensive linemen like other teams can?

Better yet, what moron wants to address our most critical need with later round picks? Let alone on a team so bad at evaluating the position.

[GloryDaysRBack]

If your not for taking the best guard prospect in this year's draft , you never will be for taking one .

Not exactly

[Risen Star]

Ok here is a twist on the original question. Worth asking after some of the combine results are coming in for the OL.

So if Decastro is gone at 14, would you still take say Cordy Glenn at 14 over the CB's? I think Glenn is going to jump up a lot of draft boards after his combine workouts.

Tex

I'd take Glenn before DeCastro.

[cowboy_ron]

I'd take Glenn before DeCastro.
Did you see Glenn's 40 time? Less than 5.0...pretty good for a huge man

[Risen Star]

If your not for taking the best guard prospect in this year's draft , you never will be for taking one .

That's pretty much true.

There are two blue chip 1st round talents at G this year, they both figure right around our draft slot, and we've never been so bad at the position.

Trenches. Trenches. Trenches. That needs to be the mindset.

[Beast_from_East]

Also, I will feel like that Princeton degree hanging in Garrett's office is an absolute forgery.

I started thinking that after the game where he iced his own kicker. No way in hell an ivy league grad does something that stupid.

[Risen Star]

Did you see Glenn's 40 time? Less than 5.0...pretty good for a huge man

I just like his versatility considering I'm not a big believer in Doug Free playing any position. We may need a RT down the road and a guy like Glenn gives us more options than DeCastro.

[Risen Star]

I started thinking that after the game where he iced his own kicker. No way in hell an ivy league grad does something that stupid.

Probably because he didn't ice his kicker. Check the replay. That timeout was called with plenty of time to prevent the kick. The kicker chose to take a practice kick.

Honestly, why is this even relevant? If you can't handle having to kick it again, find a new line of work. You're not an NFL kicker.

[cowboy_ron]

Still beating a dead horse

[wittenacious]

Did you see Glenn's 40 time? Less than 5.0...pretty good for a huge man
You're right, Ron. Very fast for such a big body. Even though I put a lot more stock in the 10-yard split times for O-linemen, here's a follow-up to Glenn's Combine efforts (and admittedly sneaking in some positive press about DeCastro also, lol):


"While USC's Ryan Kalil and Stanford's David DeCastro were probably the most impressive players overall on the Lucas Oil Stadium field (as expected), Glenn stuck his own flag in the turf by running an [unofficial] 4.96 40-yard dash (5.15 official), and bench-pressing 225 pounds 31 times. The 40 time is especially impressive given Glenn's weight -- he clocked in at 345 pounds for the combine. Even a cursory look at Glenn will tell you that this is no big fatty -- he's got good dimensions from head to toe. It's just that Glenn's head to toe is quite a bit larger than most."


read more: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/combine-notes-speed-cordy-glenn-needs-got-210743350.html

[cowboy_ron]

You're right, Ron. Very fast for such a big body. Even though I put a lot more stock in the 10-yard split times for O-linemen, here's a follow-up to Glenn's Combine efforts (and admittedly sneaking in some positive press about DeCastro also, lol):


"While USC's Ryan Kalil and Stanford's David DeCastro were probably the most impressive players overall on the Lucas Oil Stadium field (as expected), Glenn stuck his own flag in the turf by running an [unofficial] 4.96 40-yard dash (5.15 official), and bench-pressing 225 pounds 31 times. The 40 time is especially impressive given Glenn's weight -- he clocked in at 345 pounds for the combine. Even a cursory look at Glenn will tell you that this is no big fatty -- he's got good dimensions from head to toe. It's just that Glenn's head to toe is quite a bit larger than most."


read more: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/combine-notes-speed-cordy-glenn-needs-got-210743350.html
pretty impressive huh

[TheCoolFan]

It's all about the trenches...I'd use an entire draft on OLinemen and DLinemen if it were possible. I know CB was bad but if you're strong in the trenches, you'll be able to compete every week, regardless of opponent and regardless of how bad your secondary is.

[5Stars]

It's all about the trenches...I'd use an entire draft on OLinemen and DLinemen if it were possible. I know CB was bad but if you're strong in the trenches, you'll be able to compete every week, regardless of opponent and regardless of how bad your secondary is.

I like this approach. Look, if you can pressure the QB then you don't necessarily need a strong cover corner, just one that can stay with his man for a few seconds while the dline gets to the QB.

And, if you can protect Romo for more that 4 seconds, he can tear you apart.

But, this is what I don't get. Teams usually pay top dollars for the so called "skill players", but want to go cheap on the grunts that can really make a difference.

i want nasty on the dline and oline, and I would bet that would make the team a whole lot better than some high priced corner that cannot cover for 15 seconds like McNabb did to the Cowboys one time!

Give the big nasties their due is what I say.

[Trajan]

We have many holes on this team. I would love to keep working on the o-line but sometimes a great player will fall and be sitting there. CB would be an obvious choice too.

My main concern though is seeing a "system" for this team developed and players being added who can work within that "system" not just grabbing this guy and that.

All that being said, I would give Jerry kudos if he spends a 1st rounder two years in a row on top rate o-linemen.

[wittenacious]

pretty impressive huh
Sure was.

[Trajan]

I like this approach. Look, if you can pressure the QB then you don't necessarily need a strong cover corner, just one that can stay with his man for a few seconds while the dline gets to the QB.

And, if you can protect Romo for more that 4 seconds, he can tear you apart.

But, this is what I don't get. Teams usually pay top dollars for the so called "skill players", but want to go cheap on the grunts that can really make a difference.

i want nasty on the dline and oline, and I would bet that would make the team a whole lot better than some high priced corner that cannot cover for 15 seconds like McNabb did to the Cowboys one time!

Give the big nasties their due is what I say.

+1,000,000

[AmishCowboy]

Probably because he didn't ice his kicker. Check the replay. That timeout was called with plenty of time to prevent the kick. The kicker chose to take a practice kick.

Honestly, why is this even relevant? If you can't handle having to kick it again, find a new line of work. You're not an NFL kicker. I agree 100%

[AmishCowboy]

Great. You can always get a decent guard in the second round or FA. Not so for cornerback. Really, because Hosley, Boykin, Gilmore, Hayward and Minnefield all have 2nd round grades.

[5Stars]

Probably because he didn't ice his kicker. Check the replay. That timeout was called with plenty of time to prevent the kick. The kicker chose to take a practice kick.

Honestly, why is this even relevant? If you can't handle having to kick it again, find a new line of work. You're not an NFL kicker.



Don't dog our kicker, dude! He was a bright spot last year for the Cowboys!

So he missed the kick, show me a kicker that makes all of them.

[durrrr]

Don't we need a starting-quality CB with some size? StinkyBall is the only guy taller than 6' and everyone else is 5'11" or shorter.

more than anything we need a CB that can cover

[5Stars]

more than anything we need a CB that can cover

No CB can cover if you cannot get pressure on the opposing QB. I do know that the Cowboys need to get rid of Newman and bring in someone else, but we need some pass rushers in a bad way.

[durrrr]

No CB can cover if you cannot get pressure on the opposing QB. I do know that the Cowboys need to get rid of Newman and bring in someone else, but we need some pass rushers in a bad way.

Sure. But even with an improved pass rush, if all you've got at CB is Jenkins and Scandrick, your defense is still going to be easily exploited.


edit - if you think I'm saying that the Cowboys need a CB more than anything, you misunderstood. I'm saying the most important trait of any CB we add is the ability to cover; finding a big CB is less important.

[5Stars]

Sure. But even with an improved pass rush, if all you've got at CB is Jenkins and Scandrick, your defense is still going to be easily exploited.

It's all relative really. I do think we need another good CB like you say, but, dude, we need someone to get to the QB besides Ware.

Remember when McSlob scrambled for 15 seconds then completed a pass? I don't remember who the CB's were at that time, but the Cowboys need pass rushers in a bad way.

I don't know who is out there, but I do know that Newman needs to either roll, or take a back seat.

[baj1dallas]

I guess every good cornerback in the NFL was a first round pick and I am sure that there has never been a good cornerback signed in free agency . Did you even think about this post before hitting the submit button ?

I certainly thought about the fact that it's 100x easier to pick up a serviceable guard than it is a serviceable cornerback.

[baj1dallas]

What moron thinks we can find later round offensive linemen like other teams can?

Better yet, what moron wants to address our most critical need with later round picks? Let alone on a team so bad at evaluating the position.

we're bad at evaluating talent so you want us to possibly blow a pick on that position?

[marchetta]

If Dallas Passes On DeCastro For A Corner, How Will You Feel?.

Before, or after, I chuck my keyboard through my monitor. ;)

[5Stars]

we're bad at evaluating talent so you want us to possibly blow a pick on that position?

You can blow a pick on a CB just as much as you can blow a pick on any other position. The draft is a crap shoot.

But, the Cowboys need to fix the oline so that Romo at least has a chance of finishing a season. A CB is not gong to keep Tony upright.

[casmith07]

Empty.

Unless it's Claiborne.

[5Stars]

Before, or after, I chuck my keyboard through my monitor. ;)

I really, really hope DeCastro is there for the picking.

;)

[Chuck 54]

It would be easy to object when the corners that will be available , has character concerns . You don't take a chance that these guys have grown up with the 14th pick .

That's what guys get paid a lot of money for...to do the homework...character issues early in college don't mean issues now....Dez had plenty of issues....Irvin had plenty even in the nfl.

I'm fine with OL if we find a cb to start in FA, but it's silly for guys to be so adamant about #14 before we see where we are after FA.

[Bowdown27]

I wouldn't be too upset truthfully but I want to see what happens in free agency. I really want to upgrade our secondary. If we pick up ol through free agency then I'm all for corner. But if we pick up corner and then pick up a corner in the first ill be pretty pissed. We need to upgrade multiple positions this off season

[gimmesix]

Although I prefer DeCastro, I can't see why picking a CB would be condemned since it is one of our top needs.

If Dallas has a corner rated higher than DeCastro, then I want Dallas to take the corner. (I don't think any that will be available at that time will be higher-rated, but ... )

To me, this is much like people complaining about the Sean Lee pick in the second round a couple of years ago. Let Dallas follow its board and be happy about it.

And this goes for if Dallas picks neither a corner or a guard. We need to strengthen this roster with the best picks we can make, period. Need, of course, has to be factored in, but we're lucky that we have a lot of needs. :D

My priority, though, all things being equal, would be the trenches.

[durrrr]

It's all relative really. I do think we need another good CB like you say, but, dude, we need someone to get to the QB besides Ware.

I don't disagree. I wasn't saying we need a CB more than any other position, I was saying we need a CB that can cover more than we need a CB with size.

[5Stars]

Although I prefer DeCastro, I can't see why picking a CB would be condemned since it is one of our top needs.

If Dallas has a corner rated higher than DeCastro, then I want Dallas to take the corner. (I don't think any that will be available at that time will be higher-rated, but ... )


And this goes for it Dallas picks neither a corner or a guard. We need to strengthen this roster with the best picks we can make, period. Need, of course, has to be factored in, but we're lucky that we have a lot of needs. :D

:laugh2:


(stupid cowboy fans)

[5Stars]

I don't disagree. I wasn't saying we need a CB more than any other position, I was saying we need a CB that can cover more than we need a CB with size.

You know what, bro? We need a coach that can teach our CB's to look for the damn ball! Size does matter, maybe to a woman. But, even an undersized, athletic player that actually looks for the ball can make a big difference in how that play works out.

Getting rid of Campo might be the piece of the puzzle that was missing.

;)

[Deep_Freeze]

I wouldn't be too upset truthfully but I want to see what happens in free agency.

Guess this is my issue. Who we draft is so wide open right now cause we haven't even gone through free agency yet and the combine isn't even over. Hopefully our staff isn't close-minded and can be more flexible in our evaluations of players for this team.

Free agency will be much more important on the direction of this team this coming season.

[5Stars]

Guess this is my issue. Who we draft is so wide open right now cause we haven't even gone through free agency yet and the combine isn't even over. Hopefully our staff isn't close-minded and can be more flexible in our evaluations of players for this team.

Free agency will be much more important on the direction of this team this coming season.




This is what is going to be very interesting.


;)

[Hoofbite]

Although I prefer DeCastro, I can't see why picking a CB would be condemned since it is one of our top needs.

If Dallas has a corner rated higher than DeCastro, then I want Dallas to take the corner. (I don't think any that will be available at that time will be higher-rated, but ... )

To me, this is much like people complaining about the Sean Lee pick in the second round a couple of years ago. Let Dallas follow its board and be happy about it.

And this goes for if Dallas picks neither a corner or a guard. We need to strengthen this roster with the best picks we can make, period. Need, of course, has to be factored in, but we're lucky that we have a lot of needs. :D

My priority, though, all things being equal, would be the trenches.

My only thought is, the value of getting an elite level G outweighs the value of getting a potentially very good CB.

Of course I don't know for sure how long each position typically plays but it seems like guards play later into their 30s than CBs typically do.

From that perspective, getting a G may provide another 3-4 years of production in comparison to getting a CB.

[Deep_Freeze]

My only thought is, the value of getting an elite level G outweighs the value of getting a potentially very good CB.

Of course I don't know for sure how long each position typically plays but it seems like guards play later into their 30s than CBs typically do.

From that perspective, getting a G may provide another 3-4 years of production in comparison to getting a CB.

CBs are drafted higher and paid more than guards for a reason. Just cause our team needs interior help doesn't change this fact. The basic assumption that is said there is one that shouldn't be made, cause after all, it is a crap shoot.

Comparing the value of an 'elite level G' outweights a 'very good CB'. But really, how do we know which deserves the label of 'elite'.

Point blank of the matter is every GM in the NFL would take an elite CB over and elite G with no questions asked. I'm sure when Revis came out, it wasn't known how elite he would be. This is the risk you take, but as of right now, I would rather wait at least til the CBs workout before I say none of them even has the possibility of being elite from where we pick.

[MichaelWinicki]

I'd consider who grades out highest at the spot... If it's a CB, then I'm taking a corner. If it's DeCastro or Glenn, then they're it.

[DFWJC]

If Dallas gets a Guard in FA or in the second round, it would not bother me the least.

[Deep_Freeze]

I'd consider who grades out highest at the spot... If it's a CB, then I'm taking a corner. If it's DeCastro or Glenn, then they're it.

I agree. All I want is for us to try to take care of most of our real needs in free agency, so that we can do this come draft time which is BPA.

[Risen Star]

My only thought is, the value of getting an elite level G outweighs the value of getting a potentially very good CB.

Of course I don't know for sure how long each position typically plays but it seems like guards play later into their 30s than CBs typically do.

From that perspective, getting a G may provide another 3-4 years of production in comparison to getting a CB.

Then there's the whole, a G will help you win in the trenches where games are won or lost. A CB doesn't.

[Risen Star]

I agree. All I want is for us to try to take care of most of our real needs in free agency, so that we can do this come draft time which is BPA.

All teams can go BPA in the draft. Some just choose not to. And they end up just as needy next year too. And the next.

[Fletch]

Like we still don't have a clue on how to build a football team.

Geez. It's not like we don't know how you really feel about the Dallas Cowboys. :banghead:

[jnday]

I certainly thought about the fact that it's 100x easier to pick up a serviceable guard than it is a serviceable cornerback.

Really ? There are two good guards in free agency this year compared to five good CBs this year . In the draft , there are several CBs with second round grades compared to three with second round grades . Seems like good guards are harder to find . Using the term seviceable speaks to your level of expectations . I want more than serviceable playersbon this team .

[Hostile]

Then there's the whole, a G will help you win in the trenches where games are won or lost. A CB doesn't.^This^

In order, I feel like we need OL, then front 7, then CB.

[jnday]

That's what guys get paid a lot of money for...to do the homework...character issues early in college don't mean issues now....Dez had plenty of issues....Irvin had plenty even in the nfl.

I'm fine with OL if we find a cb to start in FA, but it's silly for guys to be so adamant about #14 before we see where we are after FA.

If you consider the layout of the talent in this year's draft , it is not silly to want DeCastro . He is considered the best guard prospect in years and he doesn't have past drug problems to worry about . The drug problems have been recent , so why take the risk ? As for Dez , he hasn't had drug problems , he has immaturity problems . Problems that are not of the legal kind . Big difference . Irvin had his drug problems , and for us older fans , it is not something that we want repeated .

[cds99]

I would love to have decastro but however we must have a CB. This team gets raped in the secondary. Period. Either we must get one in FA or get one via the draft. And not in the 5th or 6th round trying to find a diamond in the later rounds. Do whats needed and get a solid CB. My two favs. have to be kirkpatrick or J. Jenkins. I worry with jenkins past, thinking he could be a pacman and with kirkpatrick being so so and not elite. With jenkins you think he could be elite but just dont know. With decastro its a safer pick. If i am on the clock i pick a CB JUST because the draft is deep with chances to address the OL.

[gimmesix]

My only thought is, the value of getting an elite level G outweighs the value of getting a potentially very good CB.

Of course I don't know for sure how long each position typically plays but it seems like guards play later into their 30s than CBs typically do.

From that perspective, getting a G may provide another 3-4 years of production in comparison to getting a CB.

Then there's also the thought process that you can cover for not having an elite guard but you can't make up for not having very good corners.

Again, I'm not saying I don't want the elite guard, but I can't argue with the idea of taking a first-round corner if that's where Dallas ends up.

I'd also add a top-notch pass rusher to that mix.

The best of those three positions should be the pick.

The one thing that would bug me is if someone like DeCastro is there and Dallas chooses to trade down and select a lower-rated corner. Use the pick unless the talent available just doesn't warrant it.

[Deep_Freeze]

All teams can go BPA in the draft. Some just choose not to. And they end up just as needy next year too. And the next.

Well of course BPA while still looking at the needs of the team, especially the earlier it is in the draft.

I just don't understand how anyone can make a decision (without a crystal ball) on who we should take before they even finish working out or we go through free agency.

[fanfromvirginia]

Completely crappy, almost impossibly crappy, given that for a couple of weeks now I have been steeling myself for the increasing likelihood that he won't make it to 14. If he makes it and we pass, I will be flattened.

[Deep_Freeze]

Then there's also the thought process that you can cover for not having an elite guard but you can't make up for not having very good corners.

Again, I'm not saying I don't want the elite guard, but I can't argue with the idea of taking a first-round corner if that's where Dallas ends up.

I'd also add a top-notch pass rusher to that mix.

The best of those three positions should be the pick.

The one thing that would bug me is if someone like DeCastro is there and Dallas chooses to trade down and select a lower-rated corner. Use the pick unless the talent available just doesn't warrant it.

Yeah, out of a pass rusher, G, C, or CB......the one that we can't fill in free agency should be of high concern. We need all of them filled, not just one or two of them.

[jnday]

Well of course BPA while still looking at the needs of the team, especially the earlier it is in the draft.

I just don't understand how anyone can make a decision (without a crystal ball) on who we should take before they even finish working out or we go through free agency.

The OP asked DeCastro or a CB . The only CBs that rate in the same range as DeCastro are Jenkins and Kirkpatrick . This whole thread should be about that choice IMO . I think it is easy to choose DeCastro compared to Jenkins and Kirkpatrick . As for me , I want DeCastro at 14 . I don't care what free agency brings . Unless Luck or one of the other top players drop , I would take DeCastro . If he is gone , it opens up a new can of worms .

[tm1119]

I would take both DeCastro and Glenn over any CB, but Jenkins would be my 3rd choice so if its him I wouldnt be too upset. But if we take Kirkpatrick or some other CB not named Claiborne or Jenkins I'd be pissed.

[28 Joker]

I think David DeCastro is the favorite at 14. The guy is a solid, blue-chip guard, and he doesn't have holes on or off the field. Dallas needs 3 interior offensive line players, imso. Plus, DeCastro represents a safe investment in the top 15. Guards fall, and Dallas should be in prime position to nab him. Pittsburgh and Miami have taken advantage (in the teens) of the top interior offensive line player falling.

I'd be very happy to have DeCastro, and that is an under-statement. DeCastro would give Dallas two young, blue-chip offensive line players.
(Tyron Smith + David DeCastro) Plus, drafting DeCastro would be one more step in following the Jets model (for building a dominant offensive line). DeCastro is really the prototype LG in Dallas' offense.

There is a CB named Josh Norman (Coastal Carolina), and he would be a great second round pick at CB. Norman is an answer to Dre Kirkpatrick in this draft.

So, I wouldn't want to pass over DeCastro for Kirkpatrick, especially. Janoris Jenkins probably has better film than any CB in this draft, but he has baggage, too.

In 2011 (according to Mark Schlereth), the Dallas Cowboys ranked 27th (in rushing) when it was 3rd down and 3 or less. That has to change if the Cowboys want to get back into the elite, and it isn't the running backs' fault. The Cowboys are simply too small and weak in the interior offensive line. The suspect red-zone rushing and the lack of TDs by the running backs can be traced directly back to the interior offensive line play. Mark Schlereth (ESPN) did a film analysis on Dallas' poor interior offensive line run blocking, and the film said it all. Schlereth showed film of Dallas' interior offensive line getting blown up in the red-zone, and as a result, Jones and Murray had no chance.

A Tyron Smith + David Decastro left side should be flat out dominant.

Felix Jones, DeMarco Murray, and Tony Romo would be the three happiest players on the team.

Dallas simply must continue to re-build its offensive line. The job simply is no where near finished as I type.

Our RBs need holes and lanes and seams to run through, and our QB needs to be protected.

[Chocolate Lab]

1. Hope the guy is a stud and becomes All-Pro.

2. Log on to CZ to watch the "They didn't draft my pet cat!!!" meltdown.

[EGG]

This draft is supposedly looking good for both OL and DL so Dallas better take advantage, after 4 rounds they need to have 3 linemen,,, or else!

[Oh_Canada]

I really hope they don't waste a first rd pick on a corner. It has to be a pressure player or an olineman and a FA cornerback since there are many to choose from.

[strasscat]

I would take DeCastro over any CG except Claiborne, so yeah i would be upset

[blackbull]

^This^

In order, I feel like we need OL, then front 7, then CB.



^^Exactly. And in the front seven I honestly would prefer someone on the D line as opposed to a linebacker.

[VICTOR710]

give me Kirkpatrick

[CliffnMesquite]

Hungry for popcorn.
:popcorn:

[underdark]

We are blessed at O skill positions. TR n JW can have really special last few years if the OL can become specisl too. Get a DE and a safety upgrade while addressing CB in FA. You can't be great on both sides of the ball these dayd. Our O is much closer to greatness IMO.

[Risen Star]

^This^

In order, I feel like we need OL, then front 7, then CB.

We can and will address all three. I just want to use that 14th pick on a big ugly.

[Hostile]

We can and will address all three. I just want to use that 14th pick on a big ugly.
Totally agree.

[Risen Star]

Totally agree.

The Cowboys select Glenn at 14 over DeCastro.

What's your reaction?

[THUMPER]

Like we still don't have a clue on how to build a football team.

Exactly!

[Hostile]

The Cowboys select Glenn at 14 over DeCastro.

What's your reaction?I'd be a bit shocked, but I like Glenn a lot. I think DeCastro is the better player. Reminds me of Steve Hutchinson a bit. But either one immediately upgrades our OL and I think that is the number 1 needs on this team by a wide margin.

[cowboy_ron]

The Cowboys select Glenn at 14 over DeCastro.

What's your reaction?
I could be happy with that

[stasheroo]

We are blessed at O skill positions. TR n JW can have really special last few years if the OL can become specisl too. Get a DE and a safety upgrade while addressing CB in FA. You can't be great on both sides of the ball these dayd. Our O is much closer to greatness IMO.

I agree with you. I think the pieces are in place for a Top 5 offense if the issues at guard are corrected.

Nicks and DeCastro at #14 can help elevate the offense to an elite level.

[fanfromvirginia]

I'd be a bit shocked, but I like Glenn a lot. I think DeCastro is the better player. Reminds me of Steve Hutchinson a bit. But either one immediately upgrades our OL and I think that is the number 1 needs on this team by a wide margin.


Yeah, and both Glenn and DeCastro are rising enough that a more realistic hypothetical, unfortunately, might be 'if the Cowboys pass on Glenn to take a CB, how would you feel?'

I'd feel crappy for that one as well, *especially* if we don't get any OGs during FA.

[Risen Star]

I agree with you. I think the pieces are in place for a Top 5 offense if the issues at guard are corrected.

Nicks and DeCastro at #14 can help elevate the offense to an elite level.

Issue at C too.

[stasheroo]

Issue at C too.

I think that if you get both Nicks and DeCastro, the winner of an open competition between Costa, Kowalski, and Nagy would do just fine at center.

[CyberB0b]

I think that if you get both Nicks and DeCastro, the winner of an open competition between Costa, Kowalski, and Nagy would do just fine at center.

I think so, too. They won't be able to isolate and target the center position like they did this year. Hopefully, with a full offseason, one of those guys can step up to the plate.

[Hoofbite]

CBs are drafted higher and paid more than guards for a reason. Just cause our team needs interior help doesn't change this fact. The basic assumption that is said there is one that shouldn't be made, cause after all, it is a crap shoot.

Comparing the value of an 'elite level G' outweights a 'very good CB'. But really, how do we know which deserves the label of 'elite'.

Point blank of the matter is every GM in the NFL would take an elite CB over and elite G with no questions asked. I'm sure when Revis came out, it wasn't known how elite he would be. This is the risk you take, but as of right now, I would rather wait at least til the CBs workout before I say none of them even has the possibility of being elite from where we pick.

But there isn't an elite CB available.

That's kind of the whole premise of my argument.

At best there are very good CBs available and the ones who will be there have question marks.

DeCastro is as highly touted as a player at his position can be.

[DallasEast]

If Dallas Passes On DeCastro For A Corner, How Will You Feel?

IMO, worst case scenario.

Just wondering what others thought.
Answer: Astonishment

Explanation: I would be shocked to realize that the franchise's front office sees the importance of offensive line protection/run support exactly the same as some fans... especially after this past season.

[slomoxn]

Finally drafting one and then seeing the results of that decision this year.

What moron would draft Tyron in the 1st round, watch him play this year and think we shouldn't do that again?

The fact that we made that pick makes it more likely we'll do it again.
You must have forgotten who our GM is...

[SilverStarCowboy]

It looked like Dallas needed help in the Defensive Backfield to me, though admittedly the situation had improved at least somewhat from the year before.


When in doubt gimme' a "Trenches Guy" all draft day long.

In the 1st round sometimes skill position athletes are premium picks, LBs included.

[SuspectCorner]

:mad: What the heck could the Cowboys possibly be thinking about !!???!! Do they even NEED a cornerback!!??!!

Oh, yeah... that's right - they do. :o:

[TheCount]

:mad: What the heck could the Cowboys possibly be thinking about !!???!! Do they even NEED a cornerback!!??!!

Oh, yeah... that's right - they do. :o:

They need a lot of things. :laugh2:

[Hoofbite]

Anyone think the NFL catering to the offenses will play a role in how teams draft in the future?

If it gets any more out of hand, CBs may fall into one of two groups.

Group 1: Elite: Still able to compete and slow down a WR.

Group 2: Everyone Else: Handle average WRs but get blown away by top notch guys.

Elite may still be worth a 1st rounder but if you don't have a strong resume coming out of college, you might just be a victim of circumstance.

Possible?

[SDogo]

IMO, worst case scenario.

Just wondering what others thought.

Like the Cowboys will never understand the game is won up front.

[SDogo]

Answer: Astonishment

Explanation: I would be shocked to realize that the franchise's front office sees the importance of offensive line protection/run support exactly the same as some fans... especially after this past season.

or I could of said that........:bow:

[Teague31]

if all the carr to dallas rumors are correct, you can scratch off corner on your round one lists.

[Hoofbite]

if all the carr to dallas rumors are correct, you can scratch off corner on your round one lists.

I'm not sure CB was on R1 list anyhow.

You aren't getting the top guy at that position.

#2/#3 depending on who you talk to is a disaster waiting to happen.

#3/#2 has his own troubles.

I think CB R2 is where the team should go regardless of what they do in the 1st round.

[Doomsday101]

I would love to get DeCastro but I also like Kirkpatrick. Yes l would have a little disappointment about not getting DeCastro but would be excited about getting a player like Kirkpatrick. I never fall that much in love with one player were I will dismiss all the other top players in a draft.

[ferrispata]

I think it will be more like "when he isn't drafted" as opposed to "if". I will be OK with it as long as we get some other G/C in the 2nd or 3rd (that I approve of, of course). And also, who they get at 14 (or other traded down position) when they pass on or are unable to draft DeCastro. I have this feeling that someone will be slipping to us at 14 who we did not expect to be there. I think we will see all 3 top QBS go in the top 10 and maybe a surprise or two. I also think there is a very real chance we could trade up (up to 5 places) if someone we covet slips a bit. You never know what JJ will do. And to be honest, he has been pretty tame in recent years.
Can't wait to see.

[JonJon]

I would feel good if we got Jenkins and still managed to get a great guard like Washington or Silatolu in round 2. However, I would not feel so good if we got Kirkpatrick.

[stasheroo]

At this point, my real fear is that DeCastro gets drafted right before we pick.

[Doomsday101]

At this point, my real fear is that DeCastro gets drafted right before we pick.

Always a possibility so Cowboys better do their home work on all the prospect so that when 14 is called we are ready to make a quality pick.

[Hostile]

At this point, my real fear is that DeCastro gets drafted right before we pick.Happens to me a lot. get my heart set on a player only to see his stock skyrocket.

I would take Cordy Glenn in a NY minute if DeCastro was gone. I do not want a CB in round 1.

[Gaede]

I would take Cordy Glenn in a NY minute if DeCastro was gone. I do not want a CB in round 1.

Me neither. All the guys after Claiborne scream second rounder to me.

[fanfromvirginia]

Happens to me a lot. get my heart set on a player only to see his stock skyrocket.

I would take Cordy Glenn in a NY minute if DeCastro was gone. I do not want a CB in round 1.

I'm with you. Guys I would actually want at 14:

DeCastro
Poe
GlennThat's it. Everybody else seems either a bad fit or would necessitate a trade down. One of those three guys will be there.

[JonJon]

After watching some of these combine events, I'm thinking the best course of action would be to trade down and pick up two first rounders or at least a late first/early second.

[NeonDeion21]

I would be happy with Luke or Cordy if DeCastro is gone. There are going to be really good players at #14 so we will have our options.

[Hostile]

I'm with you. Guys I would actually want at 14:

DeCastro
Poe
GlennThat's it. Everybody else seems either a bad fit or would necessitate a trade down. One of those three guys will be there.

I will not complain if we get a pass rusher. Love the Poe idea too.

[visionary]

IMO, best option is to trade down to 20-23 range and take one of these in order of preference

Dontari Poe
Hightower
Cordy Glenn

[Zimmy Lives]

I will not complain if we get a pass rusher. Love the Poe idea too.

Only the CB from LSU would as close to a sure thing at 14. Given that, I'd target the guard, DE/NT, or LB with the first pick. Maybe even a tackle.

[newlander]

I will not complain if we get a pass rusher. Love the Poe idea too.


agree with you guys on Glenn: no DOUBT, but I'm not as high on Poe: measurables are there, but was his on the field production really that great? I'm asking as I've heard he had a solid but unspectacular year.

My realistic wish list in 1st round:

1) DeCastro
2) Glenn
3) if both are gone, trade down and snag best available DL like WOrthy or best available LB like Kuechly


..........I am with Hos BIG time on CB: the value is Not THERE for a first rounder: hope the Carr rumors are true obviously

[Kangaroo]

I be fine if we passed on him

[Pabst]

I think a lot of this debate is going to be solved by what Dallas does in FA. I'll be upfront; I think Dallas' best course of action is to sign Carr in FA and then draft DeCastro with their first. The reason for this is two fold. First, it's no secret that the secondary is the absolute weak link of the team. There needs to be an upgrade there, either through a proven commodity with a high cap charge, or by using your first round pick on a DB. I'm hoping for the former, because I see DeCastro as a blue-chip prospect in the draft. 99% of the time, blue-chip prospects do not get out of the top 10. It only happens if there is character/injury concerns (See Dez Bryant or Randy Moss) or the player is playing an under-valued position; OG, C, TE, FB, the occasional Safety, etc. DeCastro plays one of those positions, so there's a somewhat good chance he'll be available when Dallas selects. You win games, and championships, by getting as many elite players as you can; DeCastro is more elite than any of the DBs in this years draft, IMO.

That all having been said, if Dallas ignores the DB position in Free Agency, or signs a moderate to high-priced OG, you kind of have to draft a Corner with your first selection, even if DeCastro is still on the board. Yes, it is drafting for need, which is not a great thing, but that black hole in the secondary needs to be filled. There's just no way around it, really.

Finally, should the Cowboys sign neither a Corner or Guard in Free Agency, I think that's pretty indicative of failure on the Cowboys' part. You can hope and pray that a 2nd round selection pans out immediately and can be a starter, but again, you're setting yourself up to draft for need, and theres no guarantee the position you need to fill will have a decent player ready to be picked.

[gimmesix]

I do like how Jerry Jones views it, at least as far as pass rusher vs. corner.

Owner and general manager Jerry Jones said Friday at the NFL scouting combine that a pass rusher is at the top of the list, even if the team keeps outside linebacker Anthony Spencer off the free agent market.

After seeing the New York Giants run through the playoffs with a vaunted pass rush, Jones understands the value of getting after the quarterback.

“It probably would be a pretty clear choice if it’s that quality of a pass rusher, to me, over a lesser corner,” Jones said. “In other words, for defense, I’m into the pressure for us right now above the corner even if we franchise Spencer.”

Jones reiterated the Cowboys need secondary help, which could be addressed in free agency and the draft, “but we don’t need to be cavalier about passing on a pretty significant pass rusher in the draft.”

[bark]

At this point, my real fear is that DeCastro gets drafted right before we pick.


wouldn't be surprised if the chiefs snatch him at 11....they are needing ol help as bad as we are....also if nicks becomes free they might be players as well.

[RealCowboyfan]

If its only for Kirkpatrick or LSU coner.

[ufcrules1]

I would gladly take Clariborne but he will be gone in the top 5. Would easily take Claiborne over Decastro without even thinking twice about it. If Decastro is gone, give me a solid defensive linemen. We have to grab Carr in FA and look at players like Williams and Nicks as well.

[stasheroo]

Happens to me a lot. get my heart set on a player only to see his stock skyrocket.

I would take Cordy Glenn in a NY minute if DeCastro was gone. I do not want a CB in round 1.

I think I might prefer trading down at that point, but then I'll have a new worry that we'll be revisiting the debacle of 2009.

I can't help being 'zoned-in' on DeCastro, each and every report makes me like the player even more.

I just read yesterday that he walked up to the whiteboard and diagrammed plays as well as Andrew Luck.

He also mentioned knowing what aaudibles would be called before they happened.

I sure wouldn't mind another set of 'QB eyes' on the offensive line.