Konz dropping?

[jnday]

With a bad showing at the combine , will Konz drop ? He had 18 reps on the bench , but this was blamed on a pulled muscle .
If he dropped in the second , and his lung condition is okay , would you draft him?
What if Dallas drafted DeCastro in the first ? Would you still draft him ?

[TheCount]

DeCastro in the first and Konz in the second would be amazing!

[jobberone]

Oh yeah.

[SDogo]

I don't pick him before the 3rd and that was before the poor showing in the combine. I don't like his medical history and I don't like the way he moves. I also have an issue with his height and being able to dig under NT's and bigger DL in the NFL.

[jnday]

I don't pick him before the 3rd and that was before the poor showing in the combine. I don't like his medical history and I don't like the way he moves. I also have an issue with his height and being able to dig under NT's and bigger DL in the NFL.

How do you compare him to Blake ?

[jobberone]

I don't pick him before the 3rd and that was before the poor showing in the combine. I don't like his medical history and I don't like the way he moves. I also have an issue with his height and being able to dig under NT's and bigger DL in the NFL.

Are you saying he doesn't bend and balance well when set up?

[SDogo]

How do you compare him to Blake ?

I like Blake much better.

Actually, I would take Blake in the 2nd. I believe their ranking have been reverse all along.

[SDogo]

Are you saying he doesn't bend and balance well when set up?

He's much better on the move when he has time to break down. I don't like what I saw from him with a defender lined up on the nose. He tends to get high out of his stance. When engaged he can drive block with the best and root the defender out but I see problems with his short area game in the NFL. His height and ability to stay low was a concern, coupled with his lack of strength he just can't get away with it at the next level.

If he was a OG I would have him ranked higher then do right now at OC.

[jobberone]

He's much better on the move when he has time to break down. I don't like what I saw from him with a defender lined up on the nose. He tends to get high out of his stance. When engaged he can drive block with the best and root the defender out but I see problems with his short area game in the NFL. His height and ability to stay low was a concern, coupled with his lack of strength he just can't get away with it at the next level.

If he was a OG I would have him ranked higher then do right now at OC.

Then I wouldn't draft him at center at all.

[GloryDaysRBack]

Then I wouldn't draft him at center at all.

Lmfao! Every draftnik in the world has him as the #1 rated center and a 5 liner on a message board convinces you not to draft him at all

[RS12]

I like Blake much better.

Actually, I would take Blake in the 2nd. I believe their ranking have been reverse all along.

Sounds about two rounds too high.

[Eskimo]

With a bad showing at the combine , will Konz drop ? He had 18 reps on the bench , but this was blamed on a pulled muscle .
If he dropped in the second , and his lung condition is okay , would you draft him?
What if Dallas drafted DeCastro in the first ? Would you still draft him ?

Just to correct a misnomer some people have, Konz doesn't really have a lung problem. He had a blood clot, presumably from a leg, that ended up embolizing to his heart and then his lungs. It is a serious condition and can give you bad chest pain and trouble breathing but usually doesn't result in major lung damage in its survivors.

The main issue with Konz is that he has an elevated risk of having another blood clot. That risk may be extremely high or just very high and blood tests on clotting and DNA tests can help clarify this to some degree. The big issue is that if he has a second blood clot the current medical recommendations are for lifelong anti-coagulation which would then mean the end of his football career. I think it would be hard for any MD to clear him to go back on the field after a second blood clot.

To me that is a pretty big issue and should probably knock a couple of rounds off where he would otherwise have been drafted. So if he grades out as a second rounder after the combine, I would strongly suggest avoiding him until the 4th round. If he grades out as a 1st rounder, then don't consider him until the 3rd round.

[jnday]

Lmfao! Every draftnik in the world has him as the #1 rated center and a 5 liner on a message board convinces you not to draft him at all

True or not , that is funny .:laugh2:

[jobberone]

Lmfao! Every draftnik in the world has him as the #1 rated center and a 5 liner on a message board convinces you not to draft him at all

Not for my team. There are plenty of other centers out there to chose from including FAs. My first criteria for a center is set up and being able to stay balanced and get leverage. We have a good run blocking center now that has trouble pass protecting. I'm not drafting one like that. They also have Blake as a low rounder. Now he's rising. It's foolish to think 'they' all get it right all the time. At best 'they' are 50/50. And I don't consider SDogo's info as just a five liner either. None of us are drafting anyone. So I'll give your post all the reflection it deserves.

[SDogo]

Sounds about two rounds too high.

As I said, I have had him and Konz in reverse position all along. I believe Konz is ranked 1 or 2 rounds too high.

[RS12]

As I said, I have had him and Konz in reverse position all along. I believe Konz is ranked 1 or 2 rounds too high.

So your guys telling you the Cowboys like Blake that much?

[SDogo]

So your guys telling you the Cowboys like Blake that much?

nah, has nothing to do with the Cowboys interests.

The Cowboys have their eye on several centers this year.

They have focused on OC since they lost out on Max Unger in 2009. They have actually tried to make a run at one each of the past 3 seasons but have either been jumped or failed to finalize a move to get one.

[silverbear]

With a bad showing at the combine , will Konz drop ? He had 18 reps on the bench , but this was blamed on a pulled muscle .
If he dropped in the second , and his lung condition is okay , would you draft him?
What if Dallas drafted DeCastro in the first ? Would you still draft him ?

I wouldn't draft him in the first, just because of the blood clot issues, but if he's still on the board at pick 45, yeah, I'd take a chance there...

I'm glad to know the disappointing bench press number is the result of an injury (assuming of course that's not just a copout)...

[Hoofbite]

I don't pick him before the 3rd and that was before the poor showing in the combine. I don't like his medical history and I don't like the way he moves. I also have an issue with his height and being able to dig under NT's and bigger DL in the NFL.

I think this is a biggie.

I'm not sure I'd go 3rd. It'd be tempting because his talent is obviously higher than a 3rd but that is a potentially big medical issue.

[silverbear]

nah, has nothing to do with the Cowboys interests.

The Cowboys have their eye on several centers this year.

Any names to share with us??

Beyond the usual suspects-- Ben Jones, Philip Blake, Mike Brewster, Peter Konz-- I'm curious to know if they've shown any interest in any of these late round/undrafted type centers:

Mason Cloy, Clemson... 6-3, 310 lbs., 5.2 second 40...

Scott Wedige, Northern Illinois... 6-4, 305 lbs., 5.25 second 40...

Moe Petrus, Connecticut... 6-2, 300 lbs., 5.05 second 40... kind of reminds me of Kowalski...

T-Bob Hebert, LSU... 6-3, 305 lbs., 5.25 second 40...

Rodney Austin, Elon...6-3, 310 lbs., 5.15 second 40...

Seth Oxner, Arkansas-Monticello... 6-4, 305 lbs., 5.2 second 40...

Cam Holland, North Carolina... 6-3, 320 lbs., 5.25 second 40...

Of that group, for assorted reasons I'm particularly intrigued by Cloy, Wedige and Austin...

[dallasfaniac]

I don't like my centers as tall as Konz or Brewster, I just think they give up too much leverage.

[jobberone]

I don't like my centers as tall as Konz or Brewster, I just think they give up too much leverage.

Some are able to play with leverage at 6-5 but many don't. I've worried about his ability to play downfield. I didn't see him at the combine but I trust SDogo's opinion. Hos said they were interested in Blake but everything I read was low rounds.

[Tex]

If he fell to 45 I would take him in a heartbeat.

Tex

[SDogo]

Any names to share with us??

Beyond the usual suspects-- Ben Jones, Philip Blake, Mike Brewster, Peter Konz-- I'm curious to know if they've shown any interest in any of these late round/undrafted type centers:

Mason Cloy, Clemson... 6-3, 310 lbs., 5.2 second 40...

Scott Wedige, Northern Illinois... 6-4, 305 lbs., 5.25 second 40...

Moe Petrus, Connecticut... 6-2, 300 lbs., 5.05 second 40... kind of reminds me of Kowalski...

T-Bob Hebert, LSU... 6-3, 305 lbs., 5.25 second 40...

Rodney Austin, Elon...6-3, 310 lbs., 5.15 second 40...

Seth Oxner, Arkansas-Monticello... 6-4, 305 lbs., 5.2 second 40...

Cam Holland, North Carolina... 6-3, 320 lbs., 5.25 second 40...

Of that group, for assorted reasons I'm particularly intrigued by Cloy, Wedige and Austin...


I'm hesitant to say I'll be updating my FA and Draft thread soon because it still may be 2 weeks before I'm ready but Moe Petrus is one player they do like. Honestly I have heard nothing about the others on your list as they pertain to the Cowboys.

[Prossman]

Konz is the only center considered a day one starter. Watching film on the guy shows he is flat out dominant at the point of attack. The guy is a beast. Now as far as his bench, i dont know if he was hurt or not, id assume he was. Blake is a solid guy and we could do far worse than drafting him, but..
Blake is no where near as dominant as Konz on film. The combine is a good place to comfirm what you think about a player but beware of the champions of the underwear olympics cause you dont play football in shirts and shorts. ( unless wade phillips is ur coach;) )

[burmafrd]

Lmfao! Every draftnik in the world has him as the #1 rated center and a 5 liner on a message board convinces you not to draft him at all

well actually many have doubts; but then you appear to never have any. Sort of like Jerruh.

[burmafrd]

Konz is the only center considered a day one starter. Watching film on the guy shows he is flat out dominant at the point of attack. The guy is a beast. Now as far as his bench, i dont know if he was hurt or not, id assume he was. Blake is a solid guy and we could do far worse than drafting him, but..
Blake is no where near as dominant as Konz on film. The combine is a good place to comfirm what you think about a player but beware of the champions of the underwear olympics cause you dont play football in shirts and shorts. ( unless wade phillips is ur coach;) )

Actually he is not a beast. He was considered the best center this year but I watched him in multiple games and frankly he is good and a probable starter but that is all. This year there is a fairly weak class of centers if you want standouts.

[johnnyd]

I still want a vet center (even if a 30+ year old guy) especially if we draft decastro. I want a veteran out there making calls and helping this young line grow sort of taking on the role that Kosier played last year.

[GloryDaysRBack]

well actually many have doubts; but then you appear to never have any. Sort of like Jerruh.

Lmao...find me one person who has taken Konz off their board so to speak...all these medical red flags around here for Konz continue to be nothing but nonsense...it's only a big deal in fantasy land here at cz

[GloryDaysRBack]

Konz is the only center considered a day one starter. Watching film on the guy shows he is flat out dominant at the point of attack. The guy is a beast. Now as far as his bench, i dont know if he was hurt or not, id assume he was. Blake is a solid guy and we could do far worse than drafting him, but..
Blake is no where near as dominant as Konz on film. The combine is a good place to comfirm what you think about a player but beware of the champions of the underwear olympics cause you dont play football in shirts and shorts. ( unless wade phillips is ur coach;) )

This guy get is. Kudos

[SDogo]

Konz is the only center considered a day one starter. Watching film on the guy shows he is flat out dominant at the point of attack. The guy is a beast. Now as far as his bench, i dont know if he was hurt or not, id assume he was. Blake is a solid guy and we could do far worse than drafting him, but..
Blake is no where near as dominant as Konz on film. The combine is a good place to comfirm what you think about a player but beware of the champions of the underwear olympics cause you dont play football in shirts and shorts. ( unless wade phillips is ur coach;) )

Konz is considered by many the best OC in a VERY weak class but it's not the consensus he is a day 1 starter. This is a horrible class of Centers and in even a average class he would likely carry no more then a 2nd to 3rd round grade. He is living off the hype of Wisconsin lineman and he was no where near as dominant against top notch competition as you want. Blake on the other hand excelled against top level prospects.

They both have their weaknesses but Konz is GREATLY over valued at this point.

[burmafrd]

Lmao...find me one person who has taken Konz off their board so to speak...all these medical red flags around here for Konz continue to be nothing but nonsense...it's only a big deal in fantasy land here at cz

and if he is not drafted until the fourth will you admit you were full of it?

Not that you ever have

[rash]

Konz is considered by many the best OC in a VERY weak class but it's not the consensus he is a day 1 starter. This is a horrible class of Centers and in even a average class he would likely carry no more then a 2nd to 3rd round grade. He is living off the hype of Wisconsin lineman and he was no where near as dominant against top notch competition as you want. Blake on the other hand excelled against top level prospects.

They both have their weaknesses but Konz is GREATLY over valued at this point.

I agree with everything you've said, but let's say Konz slips to the 3rd. Wouldn't you take him over LaMichael James at that point?

[SDogo]

I agree with everything you've said, but let's say Konz slips to the 3rd. Wouldn't you take him over LaMichael James at that point?

Good question.

You have me thinking.:laugh2:

[visionary]

I agree with everything you've said, but let's say Konz slips to the 3rd. Wouldn't you take him over LaMichael James at that point?

nope

because i would be too busy taking vinny curry instead ;)

[GloryDaysRBack]

and if he is not drafted until the fourth will you admit you were full of it?

Not that you ever have

Listen closely bumfard, find me one post where I adamantly made a prediction and was proven wrong and wast man enough to admit it. Second of all, if Konz does fall to the 4th I will admit I was wrong.

You want to bet Konz doesn't fall to the 4th? Put yor money where yor mouth is tough guy!


Watch the silence as this clown backs off

[Teague31]

i would rather try for blake in the 4th than konz in the second.

[silverbear]

I'm hesitant to say I'll be updating my FA and Draft thread soon because it still may be 2 weeks before I'm ready but Moe Petrus is one player they do like. Honestly I have heard nothing about the others on your list as they pertain to the Cowboys.

Petrus, eh??

Well, he certainly fits that agile profile that Garrett supposedly likes... he seems a little smallish, though, would you know what the scouts have to say regarding his growth potential??

[garyv]

makes me nervous on Konz there is no way @ #14.

[TheCount]

i would rather try for blake in the 4th than konz in the second.

You're assuming Blake will be there in the 4th. If you're waiting till the 4th and then Blake is gone, what then?

I'm not saying we should definitely draft Konz, but the idea that we should "wait for _____" is an optimistic was to approach the draft.

[burmafrd]

You're assuming Blake will be there in the 4th. If you're waiting till the 4th and then Blake is gone, what then?

I'm not saying we should definitely draft Konz, but the idea that we should "wait for _____" is an optimistic was to approach the draft.

trade down and take Blake in the late 3rd.

[TheCount]

trade down and take Blake in the late 3rd.

It's an idea, but impossible to really suggest anything like trading up or down without seeing how the draft plays out. I'm not a big fan of trading down unless you're getting greater value going forward (i.e. trading a 2nd for a 1st next year).

Outside of that, I'd have know I'm still getting the guy I want even if I trade down, not passing on a guy higher on the board to take a lower guy all for the sake of a few lower picks.