NASCAR 2012 Season Thread

[TheCowboy]

Expecting a great race like the Nationwide series race yesterday. Go Jr!

[Risen Star]

I'm expecting a rain out.

[Yeagermeister]

Looking forward to it....Go Jeff Gordon

[jimmy40]

hopefully a quick wreck by Danica so we won't have 2 hours of closeups of her running 35th.

[TheCowboy]

Thank God for the lights in Daytona if the rain continues until tonight.

[Risen Star]

This will be the first Daytona 500 ever postponed for rain.

Sucks. Having your biggest event of the season on a Monday afternoon is a ratings nightmare for Nascar.

[Yeagermeister]

This will be the first Daytona 500 ever postponed for rain.

Sucks. Having your biggest event of the season on a Monday afternoon is a ratings nightmare for Nascar.

Is it officially delayed?

[mickswag]

Is it officially delayed?

The race is delayed but not idea as to when they'll run it. They're going to try to get it in tonight. NASCAR will be updating the situation around 4pm EST.

[Risen Star]

Is it officially delayed?

It's not postponed yet but the radar doesn't look good and it takes 2 to 3 hours to dry the track.

I'd say it's a real longshot to get it in today.

[Yeagermeister]

It's not postponed yet but the radar doesn't look good and it takes 2 to 3 hours to dry the track.

I'd say it's a real longshot to get it in today.

*looking at the radar* Yeah they will be racing tomorrow

[Risen Star]

This is really bad for Nascar. Can you imagine the NFL having to play the Super Bowl on Monday afternoon?

[big dog cowboy]

Looking forward to it....Go Jeff Gordon

Oh my God.

:facepalm:







:muttley:

[TheCowboy]

I know they do this for every delayed race but come on they should not make the Daytona 500 rescheduled on a Monday afternoon. I was so pumped for the race and now I can not even watch it. Great...

[Cajuncowboy]

I have been a huge advocate of having all NASCAR Cup races on Saturday or Saturday evenings for this very reason.That way, in case of a rain out they still have Sunday to get the race in. I know it might would conflict with College football during the season but they don't mind competing with the NFL. Further it really shouldn't be an issue for them to be worried about other leagues.

These tracks are capable of running multiple events each day especially since they can now light all the tracks. I think it's foolish to put all your eggs in one basket then have it turn out like this.

I will have the race on in my office but don't know how much I will be able to pay attention to it. Thank God for my DVR!

:D

[TheCowboy]

Wow was I so pumped when I saw this was delayed from my twitter account. Smartest move by NASCAR in a long time!

[Phoenix]

Interesting race. Gotta love Montoya plowing into a jet fuel truck and igniting a blazing furnace that damaged the track. Gotta love Danica getting put out right off the bat. Gotta love Junior snatching defeat from the jaws of victory again. But most of all, gotta love that they FINALLY got this race finished! I was off to bed the second it was over, and it was 12:59 AM EST. Boggle.

[Doomsday101]

Interesting race. Gotta love Montoya plowing into a jet fuel truck and igniting a blazing furnace that damaged the track. Gotta love Danica getting put out right off the bat. Gotta love Junior snatching defeat from the jaws of victory again. But most of all, gotta love that they FINALLY got this race finished! I was off to bed the second it was over, and it was 12:59 AM EST. Boggle.

How exactly did Jr snatched defeat from victory?

[Phoenix]

How exactly did Jr snatched defeat from victory?

Just by failing to win again :D Didn't mean to imply that he had a lead and messed up.

[Doomsday101]

Just by failing to win again :D Didn't mean to imply that he had a lead and messed up.

OK. I had watched the race lastnight and did not see anything Jr did that was wrong. Great way to start the NASCAR season for Jr

[TheCowboy]

Carl Edwards wins the pole for tomorrows race. Unfortunately Jr is like 35th to start...

[Risen Star]

Carl Edwards wins the pole for tomorrows race. Unfortunately Jr is like 35th to start...

They just started qualifying. So I have no idea what you're talking about.

[TheCowboy]

They just started qualifying. So I have no idea what you're talking about.
Oops, I think I read the wrong link haha. My bad. Looks like Mark Martin won the pole.

[Risen Star]

Oops, I think I read the wrong link haha. My bad. Looks like Mark Martin won the pole.

Maybe you were looking at the qualifying order or practice speeds or something.

[TheCowboy]

Maybe you were looking at the qualifying order or practice speeds or something.
Probably. I thought the race today was OK. Congrats to Denny Hamlin.

[TheCowboy]

I got Greg Biffle today in Bristol. What's your pick?

[Sarge]

I got Greg Biffle today in Bristol. What's your pick?

Kyle Busch

[big dog cowboy]

I got Greg Biffle today in Bristol. What's your pick?

The tow trucks will be busy.

[Cajuncowboy]

I got Greg Biffle today in Bristol. What's your pick?

I think Smoke has the car if he can keep the tires on it. Edwards could do well too.

[Cajuncowboy]

The tow trucks will be busy.

Don't think they get 10 laps in before the first yellow. The track has changes since the rain so the set up is going to be off a bit for the first part of the race.

[Yeagermeister]

Well so much for Kyle

[Doomsday101]

If I don't pull for Jr it is a sin

[Yeagermeister]

If I don't pull for Jr it is a sin

It just means you aren't rooting for the winner :muttley:

[Doomsday101]

It just means you aren't rooting for the winner :muttley:

I pull for you all the time. :laugh2:

[Cajuncowboy]

So much for Edwards as well. I thought ten laps but made it all the way to twenty. It's a short track. Twenty laps of racing, thirty laps of caution.

[Yeagermeister]

I pull for you all the time. :laugh2:

Well stop it :laugh1:

[Doomsday101]

Well stop it :laugh1:

I can't help it something about the underdog. :laugh2:

[TheCowboy]

Great race today! Not as many cautions as I thought.

[jimmy40]

never thought I'd see the day that the stands at Bristol would be half empty.

[TheCowboy]

Had 3 of 4 drives in my fantasy team finish top 10 including Newman. Also, Jr. finished 3rd, so its a good day for me.

[Kristi]

David Reutimann looked like he was going to cry after the race. I don't know if he purposely stayed out too long or not. He sounded sincere after the race and yes, I know all the Hendrick drivers wanted to pretty much beat him up.

I do think Johnson or Gordon would have won if not for that last caution. Which was good for me as I had Harvick today in Fantasy and well he just sucked today! Almost everyone else had Gordon or Hamlin, so the crash helped me a little bit.

Still waiting for that Jr. win!!!

[jimmy40]

Nascar should have black flagged Reutimann earlier. He was in the way at a track where you shouldn't be limping around just trying to finish.

[big dog cowboy]

Still waiting for that Jr. win!!!

What is the winless streak up to now?

[Biggems]

The positives of the end of the race....Jr still finished 3rd.....Gordon and Johnson lost...Bowyer wrecked and lost valuable points........Jr is now only a handful or so points away from being 1st in the standings...

[jimmy40]

Reutimann trying to stay in the top 35 in owner points so he and Danica don't have to race their way in to races by qualifying cost the two guys that had lead over 400 laps in the race. I heard Jr was on the radio trying to get Reutimann the hell off the track.

[Kristi]

What is the winless streak up to now?

It's been awhile. I believe Michigan was his last win and that was at least a couple of years ago.

At least he is more consistent this year. Having good finishes, not wrecking and making stupid pit mistakes like speeding, etc.

I still <3 him whether he wins or loses. ;) :D

[Doomsday101]

What is the winless streak up to now?

2008 Michigan

However he is getting off to a good start this season and is in 2nd in the point standings. If he continues to run near the lead he will break through sooner or later

[TheCowboy]

Sad there's no race this Sunday but next week is the best track of them all.

[Doomsday101]

Sad there's no race this Sunday but next week is the best track of them all.

I like the Texas race as well. I can't say it is my favorite that still goes to Daytona and Talladega are still the top 2 for me

[TheCowboy]

I like the Texas race as well. I can't say it is my favorite that still goes to Daytona and Talladega are still the top 2 for me
Agreed I do like tracks of that kind more than the others, but I also put Bristol up there as well.

[Doomsday101]

Agreed I do like tracks of that kind more than the others, but I also put Bristol up there as well.

I like Bristol as well. Especially the night race at Bristol. Oh heck I like night races at all the tracks. :laugh2:

Of course the Texas race next week will be a night race.

[TheCowboy]

I like Bristol as well. Especially the night race at Bristol. Oh heck I like night races at all the tracks. :laugh2:

Of course the Texas race next week will be a night race.
What bothers me most about NASCAR is that the chase for the cup begins when football season starts, and I miss those races. I think they should move those to Saturday nights to attract a bigger crowd. Also the Monday Night race at Daytona could be the start of a new idea for NASCAR. I'd love to see some Monday Night racing happen once or twice a year.

[Doomsday101]

What bothers me most about NASCAR is that the chase for the cup begins when football season starts, and I miss those races. I think they should move those to Saturday nights to attract a bigger crowd. Also the Monday Night race at Daytona could be the start of a new idea for NASCAR. I'd love to see some Monday Night racing happen once or twice a year.

I agree. Come Sept I end up missing races.

[Phoenix]

What a boring Texas race, eh? :)

So I'm just seeing that all the NASCAR drivers are over at the White House right now. Brad Kes. is tweeting a lot from there. Hmm...it's about a 15 minute walk over there...me wonders if I wanders over if I could get an autograph or three? 'cept they're inside the place now, and I am not certain if they will be emerging into the adoring public on foot later, or what...

[Doomsday101]

What a boring Texas race, eh? :)

So I'm just seeing that all the NASCAR drivers are over at the White House right now. Brad Kes. is tweeting a lot from there. Hmm...it's about a 15 minute walk over there...me wonders if I wanders over if I could get an autograph or three? 'cept they're inside the place now, and I am not certain if they will be emerging into the adoring public on foot later, or what...

Chances are they are being told next year they have to drive the Chevy Volt next year. 5 hour pit stops. :laugh2:

[TheCowboy]

I knew Allmendinger wasn't going to do anything with the pole. Great finish to the race. Jr ended up 7th. Another good week for my fantasy team also!

[Risen Star]

2008 Michigan

However he is getting off to a good start this season and is in 2nd in the point standings. If he continues to run near the lead he will break through sooner or later

He won that Michigan race on fuel mileage. And that snapped a couple years drought too.

Jr. hasn't actually raced to a win in well over half a decade.

[Risen Star]

I knew Allmendinger wasn't going to do anything with the pole. Great finish to the race. Jr ended up 7th. Another good week for my fantasy team also!

Keep supporting that diehard Redskins fan.

[TheCowboy]

He's a Redskins fan? Didn't know that. Any drivers that are Cowboys fans?

[Risen Star]

He's a Redskins fan? Didn't know that. Any drivers that are Cowboys fans?

I don't really know. I remember Terry and Bobby Labonte were Cowboy fans. I doubt anyone wants to root for them considering Terry is pretty much retired and Bobby isn't competitive anymore.

I just like to rib the Jr. fans. That dude is a diehard pig snout wearing Redskins fan. Makes me hate him even more.

I'm a Kasey Kahne fan. Jr.'s now his teammate. I still can't stand him.

[Risen Star]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/dale-earnhardt-jr-on-rooting-for-the-redskins/2011/07/28/gIQAaAZMfI_blog.html

[TheCowboy]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/dale-earnhardt-jr-on-rooting-for-the-redskins/2011/07/28/gIQAaAZMfI_blog.html
I know it sounds bad but I seriously want a new driver. I like Ryan Newman and Clint Bowyer but if one or both is a die-hard Skins, Eagles, Giants fan then I don't want to do what I did with Jr.

And this makes sense. Jr. never wins, Redskins never win. Why didn't I see this all along???

[Risen Star]

I know it sounds bad but I seriously want a new driver. I like Ryan Newman and Clint Bowyer but if one or both is a die-hard Skins, Eagles, Giants fan then I don't want to do what I did with Jr.

And this makes sense. Jr. never wins, Redskins never win. Why didn't I see this all along???

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-004.gif

If you're a Jr. fan, you should remain a Jr. fan. Just take the ribbing that he sleeps with the enemy.

[TheCowboy]

http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/lachen/laughing-smiley-004.gif

If you're a Jr. fan, you should remain a Jr. fan. Just take the ribbing that he sleeps with the enemy.
:laugh2: I HATE the Redskins. Besides I'm only 16 so it's not like I've been a Dale fan for too long.

[jimmy40]

another snooze fest today. Looks like freaking open wheel racing the way everyone's racing so nice. Nascar is going to have to start throwing imaginary yellows with a few laps left again or Kyle Busch needs to run over some people. Something. I've been a Nascar fan my whole life and I'm ready to stop watching.

[Kristi]

I can look past him being a Redskins fan. I still <3 him. A good football rival never heart anyone, but if I had to choose to watch him race or watch the Cowboys, I'll watch the Cowboys.

Boy he really is diehard. He stood up for Rex Grossman!!! :laugh1: I'm shocked he doesn't race for Joe Gibbs!!

I love my Cowboys, but when we had some bad QB's I was hoping they would get sacked and the backups would get a chance at some playing time.

[Doomsday101]

He won that Michigan race on fuel mileage. And that snapped a couple years drought too.

Jr. hasn't actually raced to a win in well over half a decade.

He won the race spin how you wish others have won races in simular fashion and it is still a win.

[Yeagermeister]

He won the race spin how you wish others have won races in simular fashion and it is still a win.

I agree

[Cythim]

another snooze fest today. Looks like freaking open wheel racing the way everyone's racing so nice. Nascar is going to have to start throwing imaginary yellows with a few laps left again or Kyle Busch needs to run over some people. Something. I've been a Nascar fan my whole life and I'm ready to stop watching.

I really enjoyed watching Biffle run Johnson down for the win at Texas but you are right that Kansas was boring. I also hated the way it ended in Martinsville with Johnson and Gordon getting hosed because of the late caution. I love watching cars battle on the track but I hate to see a strong run be handicapped by a caution.

[TheCowboy]

I thought it was a decent race last night. The Busch brothers really own Richmond.

[jimmy40]

Talladega, hopefully pack racing all day. Oh, and where's the outrage for Danica running Sam Hornish into the wall on the cool down lap yesterday at 160 MPH?

[TheCowboy]

Great race! Another reason why I think Talladega is the 2nd best track of all. Tough day for Ryan Newman. Huge hit for Jeff Gordon. I think this race makes him have a 70% chance of not making the chase.

[Cajuncowboy]

Darlington getting ready to kick off. One of my favorite races of the year. Hope Mark Martin does well.

[Risen Star]

Boogity, boogity, boogity....let's go racing, boys!

(And Miss Patrick)

[TheCowboy]

Darlington isn't my favorite. I know the history and all that but honestly it's a normal oval track.

[Risen Star]

Looks like Kurt Busch lost his temper again last night which led to a near brawl between the 51 and 39 teams.

That dude is thisclose to being kicked out of Nascar. Which would be a shame considering his talent.

[Risen Star]

Darrell Wallace Jr. made his Nationwide debut today and finished 9th at Iowa.

Would love to see him develop. That's pretty impressive first time out. It would be a boon to Nascar to have some successful minority drivers in the sport.

[Doomsday101]

Well my man Dale Earnhardt Jr. may not have won a race in a while but currently only 14 points out of the Cup points race and in 3rd. Keep running at the top of the field as he has the wins will come

[Risen Star]

5

Kahne is able. :cool:

[Yeagermeister]

5

Kahne is able. :cool:

Yeah I rolled my eyes at that also

[Kristi]

Awwww yeah!!! The loss streak is OVER!! Dale Jr. wins at Michigan after four long years!!! Woot Woot!!

P.S. Did not like him kissing that chick at the end. That should really be ME! ;) And yes I know it's his GF!

[Yeagermeister]

:puke:

I was hoping he'd never win another race ;)

[Jammer]

After Dale Jr. winning today I thought there would a lot more posts on this.

My facebook page exploded with happy Dale Jr. fans. :D

[Doomsday101]

After Dale Jr. winning today I thought there would a lot more posts on this.

My facebook page exploded with happy Dale Jr. fans. :D


BROOKLYN, Mich. (AP) -- After four years and 143 races -- the agonizing near-misses and all those questions about when he might finally win again -- Dale Earnhardt Jr. was alone in his car, comfortably ahead of the field and only a few minutes from victory.

"That was the worst feeling, riding around there with 15 laps to go, wondering what was going to happen - how you were going to lose,'' Earnhardt said. "Those laps couldn't go by fast enough.''

There was no falling short this time. Earnhardt held on smoothly at Michigan International Speedway for his first NASCAR Sprint Cup victory since 2008, and he did it in convincing fashion, beating Tony Stewart by 5.393 seconds Sunday. When the black Chevrolet with the green No. 88 crossed the finish line, Earnhardt ended a streak of 143 Cup races without a win and gave his legions of fans a thrilling reward for all their support -- and patience.



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/racing/06/17/quicken.loans.400.ap/index.html#ixzz1y9MtvXag

[Boys122]

It figures, I don't watch the race and Jr. finally wins. I would of loved to have seen that.

[Doomsday101]

:puke:

I was hoping he'd never win another race ;)

Wrong!!! :laugh2:

I knew it was a matter of time. He has been running very good all season long, sooner or later he was going to win. Unlike past season where he was not finishing in the top 10 as often as this year.

[Yeagermeister]

Wrong!!! :laugh2:

I knew it was a matter of time. He has been running very good all season long, sooner or later he was going to win. Unlike past season where he was not finishing in the top 10 as often as this year.

I have nothing against him I just don't think he lives up to the hype.

[Doomsday101]

I have nothing against him I just don't think he lives up to the hype.

Others create the hype he can't control that. No doubt I'm a big fan of his because of his dad who I pulled for years and when Jr started in nationwide I pulled for him. He gets press because he is an Earnhardt

[Yeagermeister]

Others create the hype he can't control that. No doubt I'm a big fan of his because of his dad who I pulled for years and when Jr started in nationwide I pulled for him. He gets press because he is an Earnhardt

I know he can't control it. He kind of reminds of Kyle Petty, even though he's won WAY more, in that the expectations are so high no one can live up to them.

[Doomsday101]

I know he can't control it. He kind of reminds of Kyle Petty, even though he's won WAY more, in that the expectations are so high no one can live up to them.

True which puts even greater pressure on them to perform. Jr is a good driver and now things are turning around for him with this race team. I don't expect Jr to produce at the level of his dad few men ever will

[Risen Star]

Engine, engine # 5

:cool:

[Yeagermeister]

Engine, engine # 5

:cool:

I thought Hamlin was going to catch him until he messed up that one corner

[Risen Star]

I thought Hamlin was going to catch him until he messed up that one corner

What a brainfart they had. He's got the lead on the final caution, everybody's taking two. They are planning on taking two as well. He says on the radio "I want tires" and the crew chief thinks he means he wants four and calls the audible at the last minute. Goes from 1st to 15th on the grid.

I don't know who's to blame for that but they gave the race away.

[Boys122]

One of the better races of the year coming up, the Brickyard 400. Can't wait.

[Bevo]

Gordon needs to get a win soon and Indy is the track that he can win at.

[Boys122]

Not a Gordon fan, but a win here would get him back in the chase.

I'm looking for Jr. to get his second win of the year.

[WPBCowboysFan]

Not a Gordon fan, but a win here would get him back in the chase.

I'm looking for Jr. to get his second win of the year.

Would be a huge win for Jr.

Gordon can just go away. If he left racing, he wouldnt even be missed.

[Bevo]

Would be a huge win for Jr.

Gordon can just go away. If he left racing, he wouldnt even be missed.

Gordon has millions of fans and is one of the most successful drivers of all-time......I'm pretty sure he would be missed....

[Yeagermeister]

Gordon has millions of fans and is one of the most successful drivers of all-time......I'm pretty sure he would be missed....

He is my favorite current driver but I'd move on if he left. I'd probably start rooting for Stenhouse Jr. because he's from my area. I used to watch his father drive sprint cars at the local dirt track as a kid.

[Yeagermeister]

What a brainfart they had. He's got the lead on the final caution, everybody's taking two. They are planning on taking two as well. He says on the radio "I want tires" and the crew chief thinks he means he wants four and calls the audible at the last minute. Goes from 1st to 15th on the grid.

I don't know who's to blame for that but they gave the race away.

I don't know how they explain that but hopefully they move past it. I like Denny. He's one hell of a driver.

[Bevo]

Gordon has millions of fans and is one of the most successful drivers of all-time......I'm pretty sure he would be missed....

I meant I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be missed. Sorry

[Risen Star]

I used to hate Gordon when he won everything but now that he's older I find myself rooting for him against the young guns, similar to how I felt about Earnhardt at the end of his career.

Plus he's Kahne's teammate now. He's the one teammate I can root for.

He's not done winning races.

[big dog cowboy]

Gordon can just go away. If he left racing, he wouldnt even be missed.
:post:

[Sarge]

I used to hate Gordon when he won everything but now that he's older I find myself rooting for him against the young guns, similar to how I felt about Earnhardt at the end of his career.

Plus he's Kahne's teammate now. He's the one teammate I can root for.

He's not done winning races.

I feel the same way plus I can't STAND Jimmy Johnson. That guy seems like such a phony to me and Chad Knaus is as obnoxious as it gets.

.02

[Risen Star]

I feel the same way plus I can't STAND Jimmy Johnson. That guy seems like such a phony to me and Chad Knaus is as obnoxious as it gets.

.02

Man, I couldn't agree more about both of them.

[Yeagermeister]

:post:

If Jr left it wouldn't hurt my feelings on bit......so :tongue:

[Yeagermeister]

I feel the same way plus I can't STAND Jimmy Johnson. That guy seems like such a phony to me and Chad Knaus is as obnoxious as it gets.

.02

I have nothing against ole 5 Time personally. The guy is one hell of a driver.

[TheCowboy]

Is anyone going to the Watkins Glen race?

[Sarge]

I have nothing against ole 5 Time personally. The guy is one hell of a driver.

He's a very good driver - I have followed him since his ASA days when he drove the 44 and battled Adam Petty. Very good driver Jimmy is.....however, how much of that is due to Knaus? And.......since the "wing" was taken off, Jimmy is nowhere near as good as he was before.

I give the guy credit - I just find him incredibly annoying and fake.

[WPBCowboysFan]

He's a very good driver - I have followed him since his ASA days when he drove the 44 and battled Adam Petty. Very good driver Jimmy is.....however, how much of that is due to Knaus? And.......since the "wing" was taken off, Jimmy is nowhere near as good as he was before.

I give the guy credit - I just find him incredibly annoying and fake.

He might have 5 but they seem empty or meaningless in some sense. Kind of like the Kurt Busch championship, except its times 5.

These championships under the Chase dont seem as meaningful. When Dale Sr won his 7 he earned them. DW has 3 and I value those 3 much more than JJ's 5.

Last year was a great Chase, and Tony is the Man, but its just not the same as the previous winners pre-Chase.

NASCAR needed to do something to add excitement. I get it. But its just not as good to follow as it was pre-Chase. The sport is missing something but Im not sure what it is. Its just lacking.

Dale Sr was the sport and nobody ever stepped up to take his place. Gordon is a lil snot nosed punk whiny butt wipe. Jr had the opportunity and carried the torch on the plate tracks for a while, but he just doesnt have what his dad had. Nobody does apparently. Too many lil wimpy guys in the sport now. Nobody has any real character or unique qualities.

[jimmy40]

Dale Sr was the sport and nobody ever stepped up to take his place. Gordon is a lil snot nosed punk whiny butt wipe. that Sr. couldn't intimidate. I love how Gordon just chaps the *** of Sr. fans. :laugh2:

[Yeagermeister]

that Sr. couldn't intimidate. I love how Gordon just chaps the *** of Sr. fans. :laugh2:

and Sr was in business with outside of racing.....some sort of memorabilia business if I remember correctly

[Yeagermeister]

He might have 5 but they seem empty or meaningless in some sense. Kind of like the Kurt Busch championship, except its times 5.

These championships under the Chase dont seem as meaningful. When Dale Sr won his 7 he earned them. DW has 3 and I value those 3 much more than JJ's 5.

Last year was a great Chase, and Tony is the Man, but its just not the same as the previous winners pre-Chase.

NASCAR needed to do something to add excitement. I get it. But its just not as good to follow as it was pre-Chase. The sport is missing something but Im not sure what it is. Its just lacking.

Dale Sr was the sport and nobody ever stepped up to take his place. Gordon is a lil snot nosed punk whiny butt wipe. Jr had the opportunity and carried the torch on the plate tracks for a while, but he just doesnt have what his dad had. Nobody does apparently. Too many lil wimpy guys in the sport now. Nobody has any real character or unique qualities.

So Gordons 4 pre chase championships mean nothing I assume

[big dog cowboy]

If Jr left it wouldn't hurt my feelings on bit......so :tongue:

Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all either.

[WPBCowboysFan]

So Gordons 4 pre chase championships mean nothing I assume

You said it, I didn't.

[Yeagermeister]

You said it, I didn't.

You are full of it. He beat your beloved Sr for those championships.

[WPBCowboysFan]

You are full of it. He beat your beloved Sr for those championships.

And all the other drivers.

Gordon may have had the car that was the class of the field back then, but he will never be Sr's equal in any regard. He just isnt that good. Never has been that good. Girls and girlie boys root for him. True race fans never have.

End of story.

[Sarge]

And all the other drivers.

Gordon may have had the car that was the class of the field back then, but he will never be Sr's equal in any regard. He just isnt that good. Never has been that good. Girls and girlie boys root for him. True race fans never have.

End of story.

With all due respect, if you don't think Jeff Gordon is a good race car driver, you are clueless. You may not like his personality or the fact that "girls and girlie boys" as you say, like him but the fact that you don't recognize his talent is ridiculous. Further, he didn't (and doesn't) have to run through and over other drivers to get his wins like #3 did so often.

I don't particularly like Jeff Gordon, don't get me wrong - but he is one of the best drivers NASCAR has ever seen. Like it or not. That is certainly not taking away anything from #3 as he is one of the greatest ever as well.

[WPBCowboysFan]

With all due respect, if you don't think Jeff Gordon is a good race car driver, you are clueless. You may not like his personality or the fact that "girls and girlie boys" as you say, like him but the fact that you don't recognize his talent is ridiculous. Further, he didn't (and doesn't) have to run through and over other drivers to get his wins like #3 did so often.

I don't particularly like Jeff Gordon, don't get me wrong - but he is one of the best drivers NASCAR has ever seen. Like it or not. That is certainly not taking away anything from #3 as he is one of the greatest ever as well.

Obviously the guy is a decent driver. He has a lot of wins.

Did I say he wasnt?

I simply stated that he wasnt as good as Sr. Never has been. Never will be. And that could be said about every other driver that has ever raced in the Cup series.

I wouldnt go as far as saying he has been one of the best ever. Good, but not so sure he fits in the best category. Sure he has a lot of wins. But he clearly had a car that was better than the rest when he was getting the most of his wins. Put him in any "equal" scenario and you dont see him shine so much. And thats why most serious race fans arent big fans of his. He tends to be popular with the ladies and wimps. Go to any track and observe who is wearing the 24 stuff.

[Yeagermeister]

With all due respect, if you don't think Jeff Gordon is a good race car driver, you are clueless. You may not like his personality or the fact that "girls and girlie boys" as you say, like him but the fact that you don't recognize his talent is ridiculous. Further, he didn't (and doesn't) have to run through and over other drivers to get his wins like #3 did so often.

I don't particularly like Jeff Gordon, don't get me wrong - but he is one of the best drivers NASCAR has ever seen. Like it or not. That is certainly not taking away anything from #3 as he is one of the greatest ever as well.

Well said :thumbup:

[big dog cowboy]

That is certainly not taking away anything from #3 as he is one of the greatest ever as well.

Not one of, THE greatest.

[WPBCowboysFan]

Not one of, THE greatest.

Very well said! :bow: :bow:

Not only very well said, but spot on accurate!

One of the many differences between The Man in Black and lil whiny Jeffrey is that Sr would handle everything on the track. If somebody wanted to block or slow him down he would bump em, sure. Jeffrey just whines on his radio. If you've ever been to a race and listened to him on the scanner he sounds like a baby. Jeffrey thinks everyone should just get out of his way and let him go by. His sense of entitlement is sickening to say the least. He's a bigger whiner than Davey Allison or Rusty ever were.

[Boys122]

I used to hate Gordon when he won everything but now that he's older I find myself rooting for him against the young guns, similar to how I felt about Earnhardt at the end of his career.

Plus he's Kahne's teammate now. He's the one teammate I can root for.

He's not done winning races.

lol Jr's your teammate too. I would of thought for sure you'd give Jr. some love now.

[Sarge]

I wouldnt go as far as saying he has been one of the best ever. Good, but not so sure he fits in the best category. .

Do you know when the modern era of NASCAR began? It is considered to have begun in 1972.

Care to guess what driver has the most wins in the modern era?

Yes, it's #24.

If Gordon isn't one of the best, who is the top 10 best drivers of all time in your opinion? I'd be curious to see that.

[WPBCowboysFan]

Do you know when the modern era of NASCAR began? It is considered to have begun in 1972.

Care to guess what driver has the most wins in the modern era?

Yes, it's #24.

If Gordon isn't one of the best, who is the top 10 best drivers of all time in your opinion? I'd be curious to see that.

If number of wins is the criteria, then 24 would be in the top 10.

[Sarge]

If number of wins is the criteria, then 24 would be in the top 10.

I'm not interested in the top ten based on wins. You already downplayed Godons' wins.......I am asking who do YOU personally rate as the top ten best drivers of all time, as you have previously said Gordon wasn't one of the best. I am interested to see you you rate as better than him.

[WPBCowboysFan]

I'm not interested in the top ten based on wins. You already downplayed Godons' wins.......I am asking who do YOU personally rate as the top ten best drivers of all time, as you have previously said Gordon wasn't one of the best. I am interested to see you you rate as better than him.

Why, what difference does it make?

We have a different opinion.

My mind wont change and Im sure yours wont either.

In all honesty I think Sr was the best and I dont really care about the rest.

[Yeagermeister]

I'm not interested in the top ten based on wins. You already downplayed Godons' wins.......I am asking who do YOU personally rate as the top ten best drivers of all time, as you have previously said Gordon wasn't one of the best. I am interested to see you you rate as better than him.

You might as well do this :bang2: when trying to argue with a Sr fan. He's all that matters to them. It makes me wonder why they still watch.

[Sarge]

Why, what difference does it make?

We have a different opinion.

My mind wont change and Im sure yours wont either.

In all honesty I think Sr was the best and I dont really care about the rest.

Afraid to answer the question? What's you're top 10? Why not answer it?

[Sarge]

You might as well do this :bang2: when trying to argue with a Sr fan. He's all that matters to them. It makes me wonder why they still watch.

I see that. ;)

[WPBCowboysFan]

Afraid to answer the question? What's you're top 10? Why not answer it?

see post 126 for the answer.

[WPBCowboysFan]

You might as well do this :bang2: when trying to argue with a Sr fan. He's all that matters to them. It makes me wonder why they still watch.

There's nothing to argue.

The sky is blue.

Grass is green.

Sr was the best.

Why do Sr fans still watch? Prob because they hope to see somebody as good as him someday, but it hasnt happened yet.

Face it, the only reason Jeffie has any fans is because all those who didnt want to root for Sr needed to find somebody, anybody to root for. Its just a jealousy thing - nothing more.

[Sarge]

see post 126 for the answer.

:laugh2: That's what I thought. The fact of the matter is both #3 and #24 are considered in large part to be 2 of the best drivers to have ever driven in NASCAR.

I really can't stand either driver, but I'd like to think I deal with reality instead of bias and give credit where credit is due, unlike you.

[Yeagermeister]

There's nothing to argue.

The sky is blue.

Grass is green.

Sr was the best.

Why do Sr fans still watch? Prob because they hope to see somebody as good as him someday, but it hasnt happened yet.

Face it, the only reason Jeffie has any fans is because all those who didnt want to root for Sr needed to find somebody, anybody to root for. Its just a jealousy thing - nothing more.

COMPLETE AND TOTAL BS

Yes I didn't care for Sr but that doesn't mean I don't think he was a great driver. I root for Jeff because he is a great driver. He became one of my favorites when he won his first Winston Cup race. It was one of the twin 125's but it was still his first race with the big boys. No jealousy involved period point blank.

IMO the greatest NASCAR driver is and will always be The King no one else comes close....again IMO and that's all that matters to me.

[WPBCowboysFan]

:laugh2: That's what I thought. The fact of the matter is both #3 and #24 are considered in large part to be 2 of the best drivers to have ever driven in NASCAR.

I really can't stand either driver, but I'd like to think I deal with reality instead of bias and give credit where credit is due, unlike you.

Well, pat yourself on the back then, and do it multiple times.

That is what you're looking for right?

[WPBCowboysFan]

I have never understood the need to find merit in one's own opinions based on interaction on an internet forum. You have an opinion as do others. Your opinion might be shared by numerous others as well. So are others opinions in many cases.

Your opinion on Gordon will in no way alter my opinion on him. And while numerous others may share your opinion, I know for a fact that thousands share my opinion about him. Does it make either opinion any more valid? No.

I actually rooted for Gordon when he first came up. The reason I quit rooting for him was not becasue of his driving, but becasue of his whiny lil attitude. He's a spoiled lil punk. He feels entitled to success. I had his first diecast. I actually got the decals for his Busch series Baby Ruth car and did the Thunderbird #1 Baby Ruth car as well. So, for me I started out in his corner. But, since I dont like his attitude I dont like him.

Is he a good driver? Sure.

Great? Not in my mind. I think he had top notch equipment and had a great run. Put him in equal equipment with other guys and level the playing field - I dont think he shines so much. Just take the IROC cars for instance. Watch them at Daytona and he never stood out. Sr in the IROC cars did. Just an example.

So you feel good about yourself and your opinions and be happy, and I will do the same.

[Bevo]

I think the 10 best drivers of all-time are:
10. Fireball Roberts
9. Rusty Wallace
8. Tony Stewart
7. Cale Yarborough
6. Darrell Waltrip
5. Jimmie Johnson
4. David Pearson
3. Jeff Gordon
2. Dale Earnhardt
1. Richard Petty

[Yeagermeister]

I think the 10 best drivers of all-time are:
10. Fireball Roberts
9. Rusty Wallace
8. Tony Stewart
7. Cale Yarborough
6. Darrell Waltrip
5. Jimmie Johnson
4. David Pearson
3. Jeff Gordon
2. Dale Earnhardt
1. Richard Petty

I can't argue with that list too much other than to add Bill Elliott.

[WPBCowboysFan]

I think the 10 best drivers of all-time are:
10. Fireball Roberts
9. Rusty Wallace
8. Tony Stewart
7. Cale Yarborough
6. Darrell Waltrip
5. Jimmie Johnson
4. David Pearson
3. Jeff Gordon
2. Dale Earnhardt
1. Richard Petty

No Allison's? :lmao:

Many would put Pearson ahead of Gordon and even Earnhardt.

I'm assuming Rusty is in the top 10 because of his short track success?

Tony is a great driver, and maybe as just a pure skilled driver with car control he should be in the top 3 or 4 if not higher.

[Sarge]

Well, pat yourself on the back then, and do it multiple times.

That is what you're looking for right?

No - all I was looking for was for you to answer the question "who do you think are the top 10 best drivers of all time" and you failed to do so. That was all I was looking for. I apologize, I thought it was a simple question.

[Sarge]

I think the 10 best drivers of all-time are:
10. Fireball Roberts
9. Rusty Wallace
8. Tony Stewart
7. Cale Yarborough
6. Darrell Waltrip
5. Jimmie Johnson
4. David Pearson
3. Jeff Gordon
2. Dale Earnhardt
1. Richard Petty

Pretty good list but I would personally put Pearson in at #2.

[WPBCowboysFan]

No - all I was looking for was for you to answer the question "who do you think are the top 10 best drivers of all time" and you failed to do so. That was all I was looking for. I apologize, I thought it was a simple question.

I didnt feel the need to answer it really.

No need to apologize. We just share different opinions.

And in all honesty I've never thought about it enough to come up with my own legitimate top 10.

I used to go to a lot of races but now Im pretty limited to Daytona as a matter of convenience. I used to go to Dover, Richmond and Charlotte every year. Been to Darlington, Pocono, Michigan. Being at the races you see things differently than you do on TV. Earnhardt just did things other guys didnt. As a fan of his it was really fun to watch in person. For somebody racing now, Tony Stewart is similar in his car control and ability.

[Bevo]

No Allison's? :lmao:

Many would put Pearson ahead of Gordon and even Earnhardt.

I'm assuming Rusty is in the top 10 because of his short track success?

Tony is a great driver, and maybe as just a pure skilled driver with car control he should be in the top 3 or 4 if not higher.

That's who I forgot..duh! Thanks

[Bevo]

I think the 10 best drivers of all-time are:
10. Rusty Wallace
9. Tony Stewart
8. Cale Yarborough
7. Darrell Waltrip
6. Jimmie Johson
5. David Pearson
4. Bobby Allison
3. Jeff Gordon
2. Dale Earnhardt
1. Richard Petty

EDIT: Forgot about Bobby Allison

[big dog cowboy]

It makes me wonder why they still watch.
The wrecks.

[Sarge]

EDIT: Forgot about Bobby Allison

I would not put Allison ahead of Pearson.

.02

[Bevo]

I would not put Allison ahead of Pearson.

.02

It could go either way.

[WPBCowboysFan]

I would not put Allison ahead of Pearson.

.02

Ahead of Gordon? :)

[Sarge]

Ahead of Gordon? :)

Yep, and Eanrhardt.

[WPBCowboysFan]

Yep, and Eanrhardt.

Bobby Allison ahead of Earnhardt?

Just curious as to why. What would merit that?

[jimmy40]

I really wish Nicecar would turn back into Nascar.

[TheCowboy]

Should be a good one today at Indy. I got Jimmie placing #1 today

[Boys122]

This isn't a track Jr. wins on, but go 88!

Love the Brickyard.

[jimmy40]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz again

[Boys122]

Pretty impressive day for the Hendrick Motorsports team.

I'll take 4th place and the lead for the Sprint cup....oh...yeah!!

[Aikmaniac]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz again

Exactly.

Did you notice the stands? Haven't seen them attendance that scarce in a long time.

That race was horrible.

Good job Jimmie.

[jimmy40]

Exactly.

Did you notice the stands? Haven't seen them attendance that scarce in a long time.

That race was horrible.

Good job Jimmie.even Bristol was half empty this year. I wonder when the TV contracts are up? Seems like Nascar is in trouble. The problem isn't just the economy either, Nascar is putting a boring product out there. A lot of tracks way overbuilt also. I guess Jr. leading the points will get the rednecks exited at least.

[WPBCowboysFan]

even Bristol was half empty this year. I wonder when the TV contracts are up? Seems like Nascar is in trouble. The problem isn't just the economy either, Nascar is putting a boring product out there. A lot of tracks way overbuilt also. I guess Jr. leading the points will get the rednecks exited at least.

You're right, its not just the economy, although it is a factor.

The racing is boring for the most part.

There are really no rivals. No interesting personalities. Not enough side by side racing anymore.

And then factor in the cost to go to a race - its just not worth it anymore.

[jimmy40]

You're right, its not just the economy, although it is a factor.

The racing is boring for the most part.

There are really no rivals. No interesting personalities. Not enough side by side racing anymore.

And then factor in the cost to go to a race - its just not worth it anymore.I blame Jimmie Johnson, dude is boring and spells his name like a girl.

[Bevo]

Good Top 5 for the 24......up to 15th in the standings.

[jobberone]

Is NASCAR still considered real racing?










:D jobberone runs for cover

[Kristi]

It is getting so boring. A Fantasy League keeps me interested, well the money and strategy do. The minute football starts it'll be off my TV.

Too many rules, penalized for anything and everything these days.

And I have one question WHY does Joe Nemecheck still have a ride? When he does qualify for Sprint he never finishes a race -- usually out within the first 20 laps. Might be time to give his ride to an up and comer.

[WPBCowboysFan]

It is getting so boring. A Fantasy League keeps me interested, well the money and strategy do. The minute football starts it'll be off my TV.

Too many rules, penalized for anything and everything these days.

And I have one question WHY does Joe Nemecheck still have a ride? When he does qualify for Sprint he never finishes a race -- usually out within the first 20 laps. Might be time to give his ride to an up and comer.

You bashing on Front Row Joe? :D

At least we havent seen Mike or Kenny Wallace, or any of the Bodines for a while!


Its like the NBA - coaches with below .500 career records get jobs . . . . . . . . . .

It doesnt seem like any new young guys are showing they belong.

BTW, where is Buckshot Jones? :laugh1:

[Yeagermeister]

It is getting so boring. A Fantasy League keeps me interested, well the money and strategy do. The minute football starts it'll be off my TV.

Too many rules, penalized for anything and everything these days.

And I have one question WHY does Joe Nemecheck still have a ride? When he does qualify for Sprint he never finishes a race -- usually out within the first 20 laps. Might be time to give his ride to an up and comer.

He owns the car. He runs enough laps to get paid and parks it.

[Sarge]

You're right, its not just the economy, although it is a factor.

The racing is boring for the most part.

There are really no rivals. No interesting personalities. Not enough side by side racing anymore.

And then factor in the cost to go to a race - its just not worth it anymore.

Yep - they need less cookie cutter tracks and more Martinsvilles, Dovers, Bristols etc.

I can't even watch it anymore.

[Risen Star]

I don't think Nascar's concerned about the racing this year since they'll be racing a completely different car next year.

I think the racing's fine this year when your driver's up front. When he's not, I guess it can get boring. Not for me. I'm too much of a diehard. I know there's a lot going on when they look like they're just driving around in circles playing follow the leader.

[WPBCowboysFan]

I don't think Nascar's concerned about the racing this year since they'll be racing a completely different car next year.

I think the racing's fine this year when your driver's up front. When he's not, I guess it can get boring. Not for me. I'm too much of a diehard. I know there's a lot going on when they look like they're just driving around in circles playing follow the leader.

Fans still like to see some good side by side racing tho. Theres a lot going on when Im cruising at 85 mph traveling up I-95 but it still gets boring.

The proof is in the empty stands at all the tracks. If that doesnt get the France family's attention, nothing will!

[jimmy40]

At least next year Danica will be wrecking people in Sprint Cup full time.

[Risen Star]

At least next year Danica will be wrecking people in Sprint Cup full time.

You aint lying.

I respect Danica. I don't think she's merely a pretty face with no talent. But she isn't ready for Cup. She's not really ready for Nationwide.

I don't know if any of you guys listen to the scanner during races, but I do and some of things she says to her team and the things her crew chief and spotter have to tell her is alarming.

She shouldn't have been allowed to enter that series with no prior stock car experience.

[jimmy40]

You aint lying.

I respect Danica. I don't think she's merely a pretty face with no talent. But she isn't ready for Cup. She's not really ready for Nationwide.

I don't know if any of you guys listen to the scanner during races, but I do and some of things she says to her team and the things her crew chief and spotter have to tell her is alarming.

She shouldn't have been allowed to enter that series with no prior stock car experience.I'd like to see Johanna Long drive the same car and see what happens.

[jimmy40]

You aint lying.

I respect Danica. I don't think she's merely a pretty face with no talent. But she isn't ready for Cup. She's not really ready for Nationwide.

I don't know if any of you guys listen to the scanner during races, but I do and some of things she says to her team and the things her crew chief and spotter have to tell her is alarming.

She shouldn't have been allowed to enter that series with no prior stock car experience.I didn't even know you could listen to the scanner and I've been watching Nascar my whole life.:bang2: No wonder your not as bored watching.:laugh2:

[WPBCowboysFan]

At least next year Danica will be wrecking people in Sprint Cup full time.

Yep, a female version of Derrick Cope or one of the Bodine's. Or Robby Gordon.

[WPBCowboysFan]

I didn't even know you could listen to the scanner and I've been watching Nascar my whole life.:bang2: No wonder your not as bored watching.:laugh2:
Oh, the scanner can be very entertaining at times. :D :D :D

[Risen Star]

I didn't even know you could listen to the scanner and I've been watching Nascar my whole life.:bang2: No wonder your not as bored watching.:laugh2:

I have the Raceview package that allows me to watch and listen to any driver I want. I'm pretty sure they have a lot of the Nationwide races available for free to listen. Sometimes you can only listen and watch a few drivers but Danica is always one of the options since she's so popular.

Yeah, I couldn't stand going back to watching races without the scanner. You miss so much of what's going on. When an accident happens, flip over to whatever driver gets taken out. You'll hear what he REALLY has to say before he cools off and is interviewed afterward. It's great stuff.

Check out the website for the Nationwide race Saturday night if you're free. Click on their "Race Buddy" feature right when the race is about to go green. It's pretty cool.

[jimmy40]

Well we have Pocono today, the most boring track there is imo. 100 less miles though today, maybe that will help?

[Yeagermeister]

A win is a win....I'll take it :laugh1:

[jimmy40]

A win is a win....I'll take it :laugh1:I was watching the Olympics and switched to the race just in time to see the restart, that was crazy wasn't it? Gordon has run the full spectrum of dumb luck this year, about time something went his way.

[WPBCowboysFan]

Well we have Pocono today, the most boring track there is imo. 100 less miles though today, maybe that will help?

Pocono is terrible and the traffic getting out is horrendous.

[jimmy40]

Pocono is terrible and the traffic getting out is horrendous.and they get two races.:bang2:

[WPBCowboysFan]

and they get two races.:bang2:

Yea so does Richmond :banghead:

[Risen Star]

It was a gift win. Kahne should be ashamed of himself for letting Gordon get underneath him on the restart. He had a vastly superior car.

On a side note, three people were struck by lightning outside of the track after the race.

[Risen Star]

Apparently one person died from the lightning strike today at Pocono after the race.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/05/pocono-raceway-hit-by-lig_n_1745421.html

[Phoenix]

Just finished watching the Watkins Glen race - wow, what a last lap! CRAZY! Kez lost to Ambrose but gave Marcus all props in his post-race interview, saying "That is what racing is supposed to be!" and calling Marcus a class act. He just made a fan of me :)

GREAT race. I had Ambrose on my fantasy team :) But I had Smoke and Montoya also, both of whom had issues, both of whom could easily have been top-5.

Jr - ha ha! Running 10 with about 5 to go or so, he did a spin and lost 12 spots, then more I think due to pitting for tires after. RIGHT before that spin, ESPN showed him tied for 1st in the Chase in the "As they run..." BWAA ha ha! Suddenly after that, Jr is down the standings.

[Risen Star]

Road course racing is garbage. Which leads to fraud winners like Ambrose who is basically a field filler everywhere else.

[jimmy40]

Nascar finally figured out how to make a race exciting, pour oil all over the track and don't clean it up. Awesome

[TheCowboy]

I can't find the freaking race on TV. Can anyone find it?

[Yeagermeister]

I can't find the freaking race on TV. Can anyone find it?

ABC..

[TheCowboy]

ABC..
The Bills are on my ABC. Of course just my luck....

[jimmy40]

Not his fault but I believe Kurt Busch is going to set a record for running into the most cars in one race.

[Kristi]

Nothing like a helmet toss to enhance a race. I wonder what that fine will be?

Stewart and Kenseth were 1st and 2nd -- not sure why either gave each other some room. A LOT of racing still left to go.

[Yeagermeister]

LMAO Danica shaking her finger at Regan Smith. I bet he's real scared.

[WPBCowboysFan]

LMAO Danica shaking her finger at Regan Smith. I bet he's real scared.

Ha Ha. Seems some of the Danica hype is gone . . . . . . . . .

[Yeagermeister]

Ha Ha. Seems some of the Danica hype is gone . . . . . . . . .

I wasn't hyping her. I knew she'd struggle big time.

[Risen Star]

She was running around 20th most of the night before she got taken out. I wouldn't call that struggling big time considering her lack of experience.

[Biggems]

At least Jr. picked up a spot in the points and is now in the chase.....that is all that truly matters.

[Yeagermeister]

She was running around 20th most of the night before she got taken out. I wouldn't call that struggling big time considering her lack of experience.

I meant struggling the whole season rather the few races she's ran

[Biggems]

BTW, I believe they should expand the Chase.....

to get in you need to meet one of two criteria:

1. Win a race
2. Top 10 in points

If you fail to win a race, but you are in the top 10, you are in. If you are 15th in points, yet you were able to win a race, you are in.


Move the All-Star Race. Have it take place between the regular season and the Chase. To be in the All-Star Race you have to meet the following criteria:

1. Win a race
2. Top 15 in points
3. Top 10 in money earned

[WPBCowboysFan]

I wasn't hyping her. I knew she'd struggle big time.

I didnt mean you hyped her.

Its been a lil more normal and not so much Danica worship as the year has gone on in general.

[Yeagermeister]

BTW, I believe they should expand the Chase.....

to get in you need to meet one of two criteria:

1. Win a race
2. Top 10 in points

If you fail to win a race, but you are in the top 10, you are in. If you are 15th in points, yet you were able to win a race, you are in.


Move the All-Star Race. Have it take place between the regular season and the Chase. To be in the All-Star Race you have to meet the following criteria:

1. Win a race
2. Top 15 in points
3. Top 10 in money earned

The chase changes I wouldn't mind because my driver would get in but don't messed with the All Star races. It's part of the tradition.

[Cajuncowboy]

BTW, I believe they should expand the Chase.....

to get in you need to meet one of two criteria:

1. Win a race
2. Top 10 in points

If you fail to win a race, but you are in the top 10, you are in. If you are 15th in points, yet you were able to win a race, you are in.


Move the All-Star Race. Have it take place between the regular season and the Chase. To be in the All-Star Race you have to meet the following criteria:

1. Win a race
2. Top 15 in points
3. Top 10 in money earned

I hate the whole chase formula.

What is wrong with just giving 43 points for first place and then right down to 1 point for last? At the end of the year who ever has the most points wins.

All of this bonus points for this and that and then being in the top 10 etc just makes for the last few races meaningful for only ten drivers.

[Risen Star]

I hate the whole chase formula.

What is wrong with just giving 43 points for first place and then right down to 1 point for last? At the end of the year who ever has the most points wins.

All of this bonus points for this and that and then being in the top 10 etc just makes for the last few races meaningful for only ten drivers.

As opposed to making the last 10 races meaningful for maybe 2 or 3 drivers, like the old formula. That's why they changed it. They want more drivers in the mix down the final stretch of the season. I've read before that they have considered bunching them back up again halfway through the chase.

It's basically creating a tight points race through rules and not performance on the track.

[Cajuncowboy]

As opposed to making the last 10 races meaningful for maybe 2 or 3 drivers, like the old formula. That's why they changed it. They want more drivers in the mix down the final stretch of the season. I've read before that they have considered bunching them back up again halfway through the chase.

It's basically creating a tight points race through rules and not performance on the track.

I don't like the system and think they should just award points based on the finish and total them up instead of saying hey, we are starting all over again.

[Risen Star]

I don't like the system and think they should just award points based on the finish and total them up instead of saying hey, we are starting all over again.

That would crown the real champion. I agree with you. I would love to be able to ask Dale Earnhardt what he thinks of this chase system. I'm confident he'd give me the gas face.

But I understand why they did it. It creates more interest.

[Risen Star]

If I was king for a day in Nascar I'd go back to the old system but I'd make winning races earn substantially more points than they did before. Points racing can make for boring racing where guys get conservative and ride around for a decent finish. Make them have to win to have any realistic chance to be champion.

[WPBCowboysFan]

If I was king for a day in Nascar I'd go back to the old system but I'd make winning races earn substantially more points than they did before. Points racing can make for boring racing where guys get conservative and ride around for a decent finish. Make them have to win to have any realistic chance to be champion.

I think fans have felt that winning wasnt rewarded enough under the old system. Maybe, maybe not.

I agree with you tho. The old system + bigger rewards for winning races = the way to go.

The chase has ruined nascar IMO. Yeah it may have created some more buzz and interest from the masses but it has hurt the sport in the long run. The championships dont seem to have as much meaning/value as they did under the old system. Under the old system the guy who won at the end of the year was the best. With the chase, well, look at the Kurt Busch championship - meaningless really.

[Risen Star]

I think fans have felt that winning wasnt rewarded enough under the old system. Maybe, maybe not.

I agree with you tho. The old system + bigger rewards for winning races = the way to go.

The chase has ruined nascar IMO. Yeah it may have created some more buzz and interest from the masses but it has hurt the sport in the long run. The championships dont seem to have as much meaning/value as they did under the old system. Under the old system the guy who won at the end of the year was the best. With the chase, well, look at the Kurt Busch championship - meaningless really.

I'd love to see who would have won the championship under the old system in comparison to who won the chase set up.

How many of those chase winners would have still won using the old points? That would be interesting.

[WPBCowboysFan]

I'd love to see who would have won the championship under the old system in comparison to who won the chase set up.

How many of those chase winners would have still won using the old points? That would be interesting.

I would think that that info is somewhere. Im sure nascar has the data. Is it anywhere for the public? Dont know. It would be interesting.

[Risen Star]

I would think that that info is somewhere. Im sure nascar has the data. Is it anywhere for the public? Dont know. It would be interesting.

I saw it referenced one time that the year Busch won, which I think was the first Chase year, he would have finished 3rd in points under the old system and that Jeff Gordon would have won it that year. At least I think it was Gordon.

[WPBCowboysFan]

I saw it referenced one time that the year Busch won, which I think was the first Chase year, he would have finished 3rd in points under the old system and that Jeff Gordon would have won it that year. At least I think it was Gordon.

I think Kurt Busch entered the chase in the 7th position. So a 3rd place finish would have been a good move up.

[jimmy40]

If I was king for a day in Nascar I'd go back to the old system but I'd make winning races earn substantially more points than they did before. Points racing can make for boring racing where guys get conservative and ride around for a decent finish. Make them have to win to have any realistic chance to be champion.

this! for God's sake this. Freaking chase/playoffs with guys that have no wins. damn

[Risen Star]

I thought for sure I'd see some Gordon fans in here rejoicing.

1 point over Kyle Busch. While I like the result I think Nascar should have postponed that race until Sunday. I don't know why you want to work around the rain and mess up the entire race that sets your playoff field.

[WPBCowboysFan]

I thought for sure I'd see some Gordon fans in here rejoicing.

1 point over Kyle Busch. While I like the result I think Nascar should have postponed that race until Sunday. I don't know why you want to work around the rain and mess up the entire race that sets your playoff field.

NASCAR will say that the fans who have traveled there cant all stay until the next day. TV scheduling blah, blah, blah.

I used to travel to a fair amount of races and a change of day for the race would really mess you up. Getting back for work + extra money to stay at a hotel/motel etc. Assuming your room hasnt been reserved for somebody else already . . . . . . .

The Gordon fans will climb out from under their rocks if he has a good chase.

[Questfor6]

NASCAR will say that the fans who have traveled there cant all stay until the next day. TV scheduling blah, blah, blah.

I used to travel to a fair amount of races and a change of day for the race would really mess you up. Getting back for work + extra money to stay at a hotel/motel etc. Assuming your room hasnt been reserved for somebody else already . . . . . . .

The Gordon fans will climb out from under their rocks if he has a good chase.

I was at the race this weekend & the people in charge at ESPN were the ones who wanted that race to finished so late Saturday night/Sunday morning, b/c they didn't want to go against the NFL on opening weekend. I can tell you from sitting in the stands that it never quit raining even after the red flag.

[WPBCowboysFan]

I was at the race this weekend & the people in charge at ESPN were the ones who wanted that race to finished so late Saturday night/Sunday morning, b/c they didn't want to go against the NFL on opening weekend. I can tell you from sitting in the stands that it never quit raining even after the red flag.

Is the traffic still horrific getting out after the race?

[Questfor6]

Is the traffic still horrific getting out after the race?

I didn't have any problem b/c my buddy lives down in Richmond so he knew all the back streets out of the track. As for everyone else? Traffic still sucks

[WPBCowboysFan]

I didn't have any problem b/c my buddy lives down in Richmond so he knew all the back streets out of the track. As for everyone else? Traffic still sucks

The last time I was there it was awful. Its enough reason not to go there IMO.

Also, IMO its a better race to watch on TV than go to. Seems boring too often when your there. Combine the boredom factor with the traffic and I didnt renew my tix. Used to have decent tix for both races.

[Yeagermeister]

I thought for sure I'd see some Gordon fans in here rejoicing.

1 point over Kyle Busch. While I like the result I think Nascar should have postponed that race until Sunday. I don't know why you want to work around the rain and mess up the entire race that sets your playoff field.

I'm glad and was surprised he made it in but I highly doubt he'll end up in the top ten in points.

[Risen Star]

I'm glad and was surprised he made it in but I highly doubt he'll end up in the top ten in points.

I think he will. He's had a tremendous amount of bad luck this year. He's run like a top 10 car throughout the entire season. Could have easily won a couple more races by now.

[Risen Star]

NASCAR will say that the fans who have traveled there cant all stay until the next day. TV scheduling blah, blah, blah.

I used to travel to a fair amount of races and a change of day for the race would really mess you up. Getting back for work + extra money to stay at a hotel/motel etc. Assuming your room hasnt been reserved for somebody else already . . . . . . .

The Gordon fans will climb out from under their rocks if he has a good chase.

Yeah, I'm sure that's how Nascar will justify it and I suppose it has merit but I'm a lifelong traveling race fan and speaking strictly for myself I would rather see a whole race unaffected by the rain aspect to it (Should we pit? Stay out? What's the radar look like?), even if it means I have to make arrangements to stay another day.

As for the fans who couldn't stay another day, why are they more important than the millions of fans watching on TV? How many Kyle Busch fans were happy with that decision?

I'm glad that Gordon's in and Kyle's out but I do think he kind of got screwed in this whole deal.

Hamlin and Kahne had the two best cars Saturday night. They were 1-2 on the track. The rain came at the wrong time. They stayed out anticipating the race being called while most of the rest of the field pitted. The rain stopped. They lost the race right there.

[WPBCowboysFan]

Yeah, I'm sure that's how Nascar will justify it and I suppose it has merit but I'm a lifelong traveling race fan and speaking strictly for myself I would rather see a whole race unaffected by the rain aspect to it (Should we pit? Stay out? What's the radar look like?), even if it means I have to make arrangements to stay another day.

As for the fans who couldn't stay another day, why are they more important than the millions of fans watching on TV? How many Kyle Busch fans were happy with that decision?

I'm glad that Gordon's in and Kyle's out but I do think he kind of got screwed in this whole deal.

Hamlin and Kahne had the two best cars Saturday night. They were 1-2 on the track. The rain came at the wrong time. They stayed out anticipating the race being called while most of the rest of the field pitted. The rain stopped. They lost the race right there.

The rain just ruins it overall, from all angles.

I agree that when you're there you want to see a full race. It really sux traveling to see a race and then get jipped in a sense.

Just from a competitive standpoint you hate to see the rain determine the outcome.

Im not sure there is a good answer to the rain problems at a race.

[SDogo]

Anyone here going to Charlotte on October 13th for the night race?

[jimmy40]

I thought for sure I'd see some Gordon fans in here rejoicing.

1 point over Kyle Busch. While I like the result I think Nascar should have postponed that race until Sunday. I don't know why you want to work around the rain and mess up the entire race that sets your playoff field.I like Gordon and I might have rejoiced if I wouldn't have fell asleep during the rain delay and missed the rest of the race.

[Risen Star]

1 race in and Gordon's already pretty much out of title contention.

[big dog cowboy]

1 race in and Gordon's already pretty much out of title contention.

Good.

Or maybe I should say AWESOME!

[Risen Star]

Good.

Or maybe I should say AWESOME!

His bad luck continues. Running in the top 5 with a real shot to maybe win and his throttle sticks.

[Risen Star]

For the record, my pick to win the title this year is Brad Keselowski.

I picked him before the chase opener. He just has the look of the guy most likely to get on a run.

[WPBCowboysFan]

For the record, my pick to win the title this year is Brad Keselowski.

I picked him before the chase opener. He just has the look of the guy most likely to get on a run.

Lets hope not!

[SDogo]

Anyone going to the October 13th race in Charlotte, NC?

[Yeagermeister]

Jr out of the next two races with a concussion

[big dog cowboy]

Jr out of the next two races with a concussion

Wasn't a factor before his concussion.

[Risen Star]

The chase is a three horse race. 2, 11 and 48. One is your next champion. Jr. was an also ran.

[Yeagermeister]

Wasn't a factor before his concussion.

The original injury happened before the chase started. The Talladega wreck aggrevated the injury.

[Risen Star]

The original injury happened before the chase started. The Talladega wreck aggrevated the injury.

Jr. nation has it's excuse.

He had absolutely no chance to win it. He was a fraud all year. He never ran as well as his point position. That's a credit to the crew chief making the rights calls and turning a 10-15th place car into the top 10 every week.

[Aikmaniac]

Jr. nation has it's excuse.

He had absolutely no chance to win it. He was a fraud all year. He never ran as well as his point position. That's a credit to the crew chief making the rights calls and turning a 10-15th place car into the top 10 every week.

I think it's fair to say he ran as good as I've seen him in quite some time. That's obvious. Jr. nation will always be behind him no matter what. He just isn't his dad.

[Cajuncowboy]

I think it's fair to say he ran as good as I've seen him in quite some time. That's obvious. Jr. nation will always be behind him no matter what. He just isn't his dad.

He would have been better served if his last name wasn't Earnhardt.

[big dog cowboy]

He would have been better served if his last name wasn't Earnhardt.

The only reason he got the chances he had is due to his last name.

[Cajuncowboy]

The only reason he got the chances he had is due to his last name.

I know but had he come up through the ranks without the added pressure of being an Earnhardt he might not be viewed the way he is. But I am in the camp that says he is a very average driver skill wise.

[Risen Star]

He would have been better served if his last name wasn't Earnhardt.

If his last name wasn't Earnhardt, I don't know if he'd even be in the Cup series.

His name has been a blessing.

[WPBCowboysFan]

If his last name wasn't Earnhardt, I don't know if he'd even be in the Cup series.

His name has been a blessing.

He certainly had more success at DEI.

[KoRnyBrad]

I'm pulling for keselowski this season. Anybody but JJ:cool:

[Risen Star]

He certainly had more success at DEI.

I'm not trying to say he doesn't have the talent to be in the Cup series. He's won about 20 races, he's been in the chase many times. He clearly does. But there are a lot of drivers who have had that same talent over the years but never had the opportunities he's had. Racing is just as much about money as it is talent. Jr. has always been blessed with top equipment and sponsorship through his career.

If I were him I wouldn't be cursing my name. That's for sure. It's pretty much made him what he is. The hands down most popular driver in the sport is so popular because of what somebody else did.

[jimmy40]

Nascar better figure out how to pump some life into the sport or they're going to run out of tarps.

[WPBCowboysFan]

I'm not trying to say he doesn't have the talent to be in the Cup series. He's won about 20 races, he's been in the chase many times. He clearly does. But there are a lot of drivers who have had that same talent over the years but never had the opportunities he's had. Racing is just as much about money as it is talent. Jr. has always been blessed with top equipment and sponsorship through his career.

If I were him I wouldn't be cursing my name. That's for sure. It's pretty much made him what he is. The hands down most popular driver in the sport is so popular because of what somebody else did.

Oh yea, for sure, he's done well following after his dad. #1 reason for his popularity is the fact he is his dad's son. #2, I think he has handled it well and not done anything to mess it up.

He was good on the plate tracks when DEI had that run going. When you look at his success during that time, and look at how he has run since going over to Hendrick, it makes one wonder. Was he really good then, or were the DEI cars just that much better on plate tracks then? Add in the fact that Michael Waltrip won in DEI cars also, you could make the argument that the DEI cars were really better than all the other cars and it wasnt as much the drivers.

Jr certainly hasnt shown much with Hendrick cars. Is it him, or just not a good combo? You would think he could still be good on plate tracks with their equipment.

Personally I think he would be better off leaving Hendrick. Just hasnt worked.

[Risen Star]

Oh yea, for sure, he's done well following after his dad. #1 reason for his popularity is the fact he is his dad's son. #2, I think he has handled it well and not done anything to mess it up.

He was good on the plate tracks when DEI had that run going. When you look at his success during that time, and look at how he has run since going over to Hendrick, it makes one wonder. Was he really good then, or were the DEI cars just that much better on plate tracks then? Add in the fact that Michael Waltrip won in DEI cars also, you could make the argument that the DEI cars were really better than all the other cars and it wasnt as much the drivers.

Jr certainly hasnt shown much with Hendrick cars. Is it him, or just not a good combo? You would think he could still be good on plate tracks with their equipment.

Personally I think he would be better off leaving Hendrick. Just hasnt worked.

It's tough to sell the idea that he needs to get out of Hendrick equipment to show his full potential.

Maybe he just is what he is. A mid-level driver.

[WPBCowboysFan]

It's tough to sell the idea that he needs to get out of Hendrick equipment to show his full potential.

Maybe he just is what he is. A mid-level driver.

Only one way to find out. He hasnt been as good at Hendrick as he was at DEI overall.

I never liked the move from the start. He should have gone to RCR.

[Risen Star]

Only one way to find out. He hasnt been as good at Hendrick as he was at DEI overall.

I never liked the move from the start. He should have gone to RCR.

But he struggled for years at DEI before he came to Hendrick. Check the stats. That's what led to him leaving.

[WPBCowboysFan]

But he struggled for years at DEI before he came to Hendrick. Check the stats. That's what led to him leaving.

Yea, but I think most would attribute that to the decline of DEI as far as the equipment and evil step mom.

Maybe it wasnt all the equipment. Certainly possible. However, he did have some success at DEI before the organizational decline. Did DEI have better stuff than Hendrick at one time? That would be the only plausible explanation for his success at one time. Unless, of course he was/is a better driver than we are seeing now.

It hasnt clicked at Hendrick from the start. At some point you have to do/try something different.

[Yeagermeister]

Jr is stuck at Hendricks for a while. He signed a new contract this season.

[Risen Star]

Jr is stuck at Hendricks for a while. He signed a new contract this season.

Stuck at Hendrick. That's a new one.

He will never drive for a better team than what he's got right now. From equipment to personnel. They're top notch.

[Yeagermeister]

Stuck at Hendrick. That's a new one.

He will never drive for a better team than what he's got right now. From equipment to personnel. They're top notch.

You're right Hendricks is stuck with him

[big dog cowboy]

But he struggled for years at DEI before he came to Hendrick. Check the stats. That's what led to him leaving.

He left DEI because Teresa didn't want to give him control.