Report: Redskins ready to offer a whole lot for RGIII

[JustDezIt]

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[SDogo]

Beautiful, I would love nothing more.

Yes I'm being serious.

[Frozen700]

i would to as well if i was them....

A QB is to valuable in this league

i would maybe do 1st 2nd 4th, and next years 1st....that way i can get someone decent at 3

[Wayne02]

If the Redskins are able to land RG III that's trouble. The only thing they're missing is a playmaking QB.

[cowboy_ron]

Wow, that's alot to move up like 3 spots

[SDogo]

i would to as well if i was them....

A QB is to valuable in this league

i would maybe do 1st 2nd 4th, and next years 1st....that way i can get someone decent at 3

QB can't do it by himself.

NO PLAYER is worth trading that much for let alone one that has never step foot on a NFL field in live action.

[Teague31]

too much to give up. he might be great. then again he could be the next akili smith.

[Wayne02]

QB can't do it by himself.

NO PLAYER is worth trading that much for let alone one that has never step foot on a NFL field in live action.

He wouldn't have to do it all by himself. The Redskins have a very talented defense, and if they land RG III, they would be able to contend IMO.

[Woods]

I think Cleveland would have the edge though, if they wanted RGIII.

They can offer 2 number 1s this year. (And their first number 1 is the 4th overall vs. the Skins 6th overall.) Plus, if they also offer a number 2 this year, there is no way the Redskins can match that.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Just an FYI, Eskin also said during Superbowl week that Manning to the Redskins was a done deal.

I'd take it with a grain of salt. But 3 picks to get RG3 and swapping 1sts this year? Sign me up

[SDogo]

He wouldn't have to do it all by himself. The Redskins have a very talented defense, and if they land RG III, they would be able to contend IMO.

Talented, injured and aging, the offensive line needs a lot of help and the WR's need an injection of play maker.

I for one endorse the Redskins go back to selling draft picks like they are bad stock. Nothing can close the window on a team faster.

[burmafrd]

He wouldn't have to do it all by himself. The Redskins have a very talented defense, and if they land RG III, they would be able to contend IMO.

they have a bunch of holes. Giving up virtually everything else for one player is only a good move when he is the last thing you need to compete for a SB.

EXTREMELY STUPID THING TO DO.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Talented, injured and aging, the offensive line needs a lot of help and the WR's need an injection of play maker.

I for one endorse the Redskins go back to selling draft picks like they are bad stock. Nothing can close the window on a team faster.

You forgot the 47M in cap room with 2 Houston o-lineman available and a team coming off 12 draft picks in 2011 :)

[SDogo]

You forgot the 47M in cap room with 2 Houston o-lineman available and a team coming off 12 draft picks in 2011 :)

Yup, they did it right last year..........which is why again I'm happy to see them go back to the old ways if they do indeed pull this off. All the cap room in the world has never won them anything, the down years are a direct relation to the little emphasis they put on the importance of their draft picks and now when it looks like they are going to get back on track it's refreshing to see them toy with their old ways.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Yup, they did it right last year..........which is why again I'm happy to see them go back to the old ways if they do indeed pull this off. All the cap room in the world has never won them anything, the down years are a direct relation to the little emphasis they put on the importance of their draft picks and now when it looks like they are going to get back on track it's refreshing to see them toy with their old ways.

Any other position I am with you. Do this for a CB? No. A WR? No A RB? No

QB? You make it happen or else you end up the pre Brett Favre Vikings of 2007-2008.

We aren't competitive in the division until we get the QB situation taken care of long term.

Going back to the "old ways" would be to sign Peyton Manning.

Besides, 18 picks over the next 2 drafts. Harldy putting "little" emphasis on draft picks ,as you incorrectly state, to only have, gasp, 15 draft picks over the next 2 drafts

I only wish the Giants thought the same you did back in 2004 and stayed pat at number 4 overall.

[Risen Star]

Wow, that's alot to move up like 3 spots

But it's not a lot if you end up with your franchise QB for the next 10 years. In that case, you'd look back on that trade and say it was a bargain.

[Risen Star]

Odd that Howard Eskin is reporting this.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Odd that Howard Eskin is reporting this.

Eskin from several weeks ago reported this

“Told by 2 people close to Mannings that Peyton very likely to be a Redskin despite smokescreen being put of their by Skins to seek other QBs.”

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Peyton-Manning-to-the-Redskins-Eskin-says-very-likely.html

[SDogo]

Any other position I am with you. Do this for a CB? No. A WR? No A RB? No

QB? You make it happen or else you end up the pre Brett Favre Vikings of 2007-2008.

We aren't competitive in the division until we get the QB situation taken care of long term.

Going back to the "old ways" would be to sign Peyton Manning.

Last I checked the Lord himself did not put the stamp of approval on RG3.

I agree, Manning would be a mistake but the Redskins are not a franchise QB away from winning the SB, they are a serviceable QB with some upgrades at the OL, a play maker at WR and a few additions on defense away from winning a SB and that's actually a compliment.

They blow their wad on Griffin in the draft and they will be forced into not one mistake ala Manning but several in order to upgrade that team.

[batman36]

When Washington becomes established at QB, they are going to compete for awhile, I think. Adding a receiver is a possibility for them as well. Think about this please: If Tony Romo is the QB in Washington the last two season's, how good are they? Or, if Dallas had their defense, how good would the Cowboys be? Washington's not far from winning.

[DallasEast]

Beautiful, I would love nothing more.

Yes I'm being serious.+1

QB can't do it by himself.

NO PLAYER is worth trading that much for let alone one that has never step foot on a NFL field in live action.Talented, injured and aging, the offensive line needs a lot of help and the WR's need an injection of play maker.

I for one endorse the Redskins go back to selling draft picks like they are bad stock. Nothing can close the window on a team faster.
:clap2:

Good stuff.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Last I checked the Lord himself did not put the stamp of approval on RG3.

I agree, Manning would be a mistake but the Redskins are not a franchise QB away from winning the SB, they are a serviceable QB with some upgrades at the OL, a play maker at WR and a few additions on defense away from winning a SB and that's actually a compliment.

They blow their wad on Griffin in the draft and they will be forced into not one mistake ala Manning but several in order to upgrade that team.

Agree the Redskins aren't a "franchise QB" away from winning a Superbowl, but building the way you suggest leads to being the 49ers and out of the playoffs for a decade until all your picks mature and hit their stride at once.

If you don't have a QB to build around and stick with "serviceable" you aren't giving your self a chance to win.

You end up being the Vikings of 2006, 2007 and 2008. Great o-line, terrific at WR, no QB.

Or you hope for a year like the 2011 49ers, where 6 years in a row of great drafting FINALLY got you over .500

Rather then make an agressive move for a QB, start to build around him and develop him, and 3 years down the line, when you have recouped draft picks and are at full draft pick levels again, you are a year in year out playoff threat and can re-stock your roster over time.

Kinda what the Giants did :)

[Ren]

If i was a Skins fan i'd be hoping they pull this off QBs are hard to come by, QBs as good as RGIII even more so

[SkinsHokieFan]

If i was a Skins fan i'd be hoping they pull this off QBs are hard to come by, QBs as good as RGIII even more so

Agree. There are what, 8 good QBs in the NFL, 3-4 that you would consider great?

You can find other positions pretty much anywhere, but either it takes some serious miracles (Brady/Romo) to get a good QB or you gotta be agressive and take them at the top of the draft.

[The30YardSlant]

Let them do it. RGIII would have to develop into a regular all-pro selection to make him worth that much.

[SDogo]

Agree the Redskins aren't a "franchise QB" away from winning a Superbowl, but building the way you suggest leads to being the 49ers and out of the playoffs for a decade until all your picks mature and hit their stride at once.

If you don't have a QB to build around and stick with "serviceable" you aren't giving your self a chance to win.

You end up being the Vikings of 2006, 2007 and 2008. Great o-line, terrific at WR, no QB.

Or you hope for a year like the 2011 49ers, where 6 years in a row of great drafting FINALLY got you over .500

Rather then make an agressive move for a QB, start to build around him and develop him, and 3 years down the line, when you have recouped draft picks and are at full draft pick levels again, you are a year in year out playoff threat and can re-stock your roster over time.

Kinda what the Giants did :)

Difference is the 49ers will be contenders for years. They have built that team through the draft. Youngest team in the NFL on both sides of the ball. I would kill for their defense.

They did not go out and mortgage the next 10 years for 4 years which may or may not have produced a trophy.

The Giants never sold the draft for any player. That defense was built through the draft and the Manning trade with SD was hardly the same. The Giants swapped 1st and 5th picks essentially and gave up the 65th pick (3rd round) that season as well as a 1st and 5th the following season. The Giants keeping that 2nd round pick enabled them to land 3x pro bowl and All pro selection Chris Snee. I'm willing to bet if the Chargers were demanding a 2nd round pick on top of the 3rd and next years first that draft would have gone down different.

[The30YardSlant]

Agree. There are what, 8 good QBs in the NFL, 3-4 that you would consider great?

You can find other positions pretty much anywhere, but either it takes some serious miracles (Brady/Romo) to get a good QB or you gotta be agressive and take them at the top of the draft.

And if the Redskins were a QB away from competing this would be a valid assessment. However, there is not a team in the NFL more devoid of talent on the offensive side of the football than Washington. They need those picks to give them something resembling a scoring threat, because Griffin isnt going to be succeeding anyway with a backfield full of JAGs and grandpa Moss hobbling down the field.

By going through with this deal, Washington is essentially morgaging their future in the hopes that Griffin becomes that once in a generation QB who is so good that he instantly makes his team 5-6 wins better just by stepping onto the field because he makes everyone around him better. We're talking guys on the Montana, Brady and Manning level and the odds are against Griffin being THAT good.

[SDogo]

And if the Redskins were a QB away from competing this would be a valid assessment. However, there is not a team in the NFL more devoid of talent on the offensive side of the football than Washington. They need those picks to give them something resembling a scoring threat, because Griffin isnt going to be succeeding anyway with a backfield full of JAGs and grandpa Moss hobbling down the field.


You can bet your butt if Colston walks from NO's or Jackson from SD the Skins will be there ready to throw a good chunk of that 42mil at them.

[The30YardSlant]

You can bet your butt if Colston walks from NO's or Jackson from SD the Skins will be there ready to throw a good chunk of that 42mil at them.

And I'm sure they'll offer much of that $42 million to one or two players who doesnt deserve it. It's been Snyder's MO for over a decade. It would literally not surprise me one bit to see them give a player like Colston $10 million a year.

[cowboy_ron]

Just an FYI, Eskin also said during Superbowl week that Manning to the Redskins was a done deal.

I'd take it with a grain of salt. But 3 picks to get RG3 and swapping 1sts this year? Sign me up
Why would the Skins want an aging, glass necked QB anyway?

[JohnsKey19]

If RG3 is a franchise QB as most predict, I'd do it. This would be a huge acquisition for that franchise, both on AND off the field.

[Mansta54]

If the Redskins are able to land RG III that's trouble. The only thing they're missing is a playmaking QB.

Really? Wow!! You didn't watch much of them this year I suppose..

[SkinsHokieFan]

Difference is the 49ers will be contenders for years. They have built that team through the draft. Youngest team in the NFL on both sides of the ball. I would kill for their defense.

And they SUCKED terribly for those 9 years. Worse then the Redskins have for the last 4 years

You don't need to spend 9 years building a team to become a contender in the NFL.

They did not go out and mortgage the next 10 years for 4 years which may or may not have produced a trophy.

Huh? We are talking about the Redskins losing a 2nd, 3rd and 1st. Odds are only 1 of those 3 will play for 10 years.

And is RG3 going to die in 4 years? 10 years for 4? You make no sense here my man

The Giants never sold the draft for any player. That defense was built through the draft and the Manning trade with SD was hardly the same. The Giants swapped 1st and 5th picks essentially and gave up the 65th pick (3rd round) that season as well as a 1st and 5th the following season. The Giants keeping that 2nd round pick enabled them to land 3x pro bowl and All pro selection Chris Snee. I'm willing to bet if the Chargers were demanding a 2nd round pick on top of the 3rd and next years first that draft would have gone down different.

Again, we are talking about 1 more pick then the Giants did in 2004. That is hardly "selling out a draft"

Your hyperbole is absurd and your argument comical. Selling out drafts and 10 years over 3 picks? :laugh2: :lmao2:

Lets say the Redskins made this exact trade in the 1998 draft for Peyton Manning

They would have traded Dan Wilkinson (who the Redskins traded a 1st for in the 1998 draft) 2nd rounder-TE Stephen Alexander (3rd rounder) RB-Skip Hicks and the 1999 1st rounder which became Champ Bailey

You think I would say "no" to that trade? :lmao2:

Of course all of this is contingent on Eskin being right.

Which, if you have ever observed Shanhan and Allen's MO is not something either of them typically do, "sell out" for 1 player

[SDogo]

And they SUCKED terribly for those 9 years. Worse then the Redskins have for the last 4 years

You don't need to spend 9 years building a team to become a contender in the NFL.

Perhaps your young and don't remember DeBartolo but there was a lot more that when into the demise and Resurrection of the 49ers then a few drafts.



Huh? We are talking about the Redskins losing a 2nd, 3rd and 1st. Odds are only 1 of those 3 will play for 10 years.

Odds are just as good RG3 will be out of the league in 4 years and those 3 players will be starters for decade. Difference is the odds are in your favor 3-1


Again, we are talking about 1 more pick then the Giants did in 2004. That is hardly "selling out a draft"

Just like your owner you don't have a grasp of the value of a draft pick let alone a high 2nd rounder which in the past has shown us can be worth next years #1.


Your hyperbole is absurd and your argument comical. Selling out drafts and 10 years over 3 picks? :laugh2: :lmao2:

Lets say the Redskins made this exact trade in the 1998 draft for Peyton Manning

They would have traded Dan Wilkinson (who the Redskins traded a 1st for in the 1998 draft) 2nd rounder-TE Stephen Alexander (3rd rounder) RB-Skip Hicks and the 1999 1st rounder which became Champ Bailey

You think I would say "no" to that trade? :lmao2:

Hyperbole? You mean like comparing Griffin to Manning? 100 out of 100 owners would take Manning as a prospect to RG3 every day.

On the flip side, you can do that exact trade and come away with Byron Leftwich. It works both ways.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Perhaps your young and don't remember DeBartolo but there was a lot more that when into the demise and Resurrection of the 49ers then a few drafts.

And there has been stable ownership since 2005, yet its taken them 6 years to become competitive again.

If you are willing to have a team be terrible for that long, more power to you




Odds are just as good RG3 will be out of the league in 4 years and those 3 players will be starters for decade. Difference is the odds are in your favor 3-1

Actually, odds are a top 5 pick will last much longer then a 3 or a 2, and we have no idea where next year's 1 would be.

http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2011/04/average-length-of-a-nfl-players-career-players-and-owners-dont-agree-on-that-either/

In his conference call with Charger fans, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said about the view that the average age of an NFL career is 3 years. (via NFLLabor.com):

“There is a little bit of a misrepresentation or a misunderstanding on that. Frequently, it is said that the average career is about 3.5 years. In fact, if a player makes an opening day roster, his career is very close to six years…If you are a first-round draft choice, the average career is close to nine years. That 3.5-year average is really a misrepresentation. What it adds is a lot of players who don’t make an NFL roster and it brings down the average.”

The NFL Labor site calls the NFLPA view of short careers a “myth” and provides the following information from NFL figures:

“According to a recent NFL Management Council analysis of players who entered the NFL between 1993 and 2002, the average career length for a player who is on his club’s opening-day roster as a rookie is 6.0 years.”

“The average career length for a player with at least three pension-credited seasons* is 7.1 years (*a player receives a pension credit for each season in which he spends at least three games on an active/inactive roster and/or injured reserve).”

“The average career length for a first-round draft pick is 9.3 years.”

So again, average length is 3.5 years for an NFL player, yet for a first rounder its 9.3 years



Just like your owner you don't have a grasp of the value of a draft pick let alone a high 2nd rounder which in the past has shown us can be worth next years #1.

It sure can. Or more often then not its a guy like John Beck or Kellen Clemons

So again, I have no clue where a) you are talking about mortgaging 10 years, which is downright ridiculous when by the 2014 draft the Redskins will have a full draft again c) The Redskins already have 18 picks going into the next 2 drafts and this brings the Redskins down to 15 picks and 3rd) mortgaging 10 years for 4 years.

Your points simply are not well thought out here

In the end, 3 picks for a potential franchise QB that fits your system to a T and has outstanding character? Sign me up for that

[cowboy_ron]

But it's not a lot if you end up with your franchise QB for the next 10 years. In that case, you'd look back on that trade and say it was a bargain.
I am a gambler by profession and you always want to play the odds even though the "candy" might look like a sure thing at the time...in poker, pot odds and hand %'s are a huge factor, those that know and understand how to calculate them are at an advantage. Sometimes a bad decision can have a successful outcome, but again 9 out of 10 times that same decision will fail

[Califan007]

He wouldn't have to do it all by himself. The Redskins have a very talented defense, and if they land RG III, they would be able to contend IMO.
Talented, injured and aging
The defense is "talented, injured and aging"??...

Mind pointing that out from the roster below?

Thompson - 22
Gomes - 22
Neild - 24
Kerrigan - 24
Baker - 24
Jenkins - 24
Perry - 24
White - 24
Balmer - 25
Worthington - 25
Barnes - 26
Orakpo - 26
Jackson - 26
Wilson - 27
Westbrook - 27
Landry - 27
Hall - 28
Bowen - 28
Carriker - 28
Cofield - 28
McIntosh - 29
Golston - 29
Alexander - 29
Doughty - 29
Fox - 30
Scott - 30
Atogwe - 31
Fletcher - 37

Only four of the defensive players last season will be 30+ years old when next season starts. Only two of them would be starters. And one of those starters has missed a grand total of one start over the last 13 seasons. One.

the offensive line needs a lot of help and the WR's need an injection of play maker.
That's all the Redskins need?...Hell, we can upgrade the O-Line and WR in free agency alone. Not to mention that if Shanahan and Allen manage to indeed get RG3, nobody's gonna expect playoffs right from day one...making that move will be to set up the team for 10 years, maybe more...so who really gives a **** if the Skins don't have a legit playmaking WR this year?...I mean, exactly how much did all those playmaking WRs on the Cowboys' roster help them out these past few years? ;)

[Hoofbite]

The defense is "talented, injured and aging"??...

Mind pointing that out from the roster below?

Thompson - 22
Gomes - 22
Neild - 24
Kerrigan - 24
Baker - 24
Jenkins - 24
Perry - 24
White - 24
Balmer - 25
Worthington - 25
Barnes - 26
Orakpo - 26
Jackson - 26
Wilson - 27
Westbrook - 27
Landry - 27
Hall - 28
Bowen - 28
Carriker - 28
Cofield - 28
McIntosh - 29
Golston - 29
Alexander - 29
Doughty - 29
Fox - 30
Scott - 30
Atogwe - 31
Fletcher - 37

Only four of the defensive players last season will be 30+ years old when next season starts. Only two of them would be starters. And one of those starters has missed a grand total of one start over the last 13 seasons. One.


That's all the Redskins need?...Hell, we can upgrade the O-Line and WR in free agency alone. Not to mention that if Shanahan and Allen manage to indeed get RG3, nobody's gonna expect playoffs right from day one...making that move will be to set up the team for 10 years, maybe more...so who really gives a **** if the Skins don't have a legit playmaking WR this year?...I mean, exactly how much did all those playmaking WRs on the Cowboys' roster help them out these past few years? ;)

:laugh2:

I dunno why but struck me funny that as a rebuttal against the age of the Washington defense you rattled off a list of guys I can't ever recall hearing about once.

Are all those guys really on the Skins roster? I looked for a couple and theres one or two I couldn't even find.

How many of those guys will even make it to or out of camp this year?

[Bigdog]

QB can't do it by himself.

NO PLAYER is worth trading that much for let alone one that has never step foot on a NFL field in live action.

Agree. Your first three picks and a 1st next year for a player who has not played a down in the NFL. That is way too much. God forbid he gets hurt. then you are screwed.

[Hoofbite]

QB can't do it by himself.

NO PLAYER is worth trading that much for let alone one that has never step foot on a NFL field in live action.

I disagree.

It's not about finding Superman to immediately take you to the SB.

It's about having the most important piece of a franchise and building around that player over the course of the next 4-5 years so you can compete in order to get to the SB.

I wouldn't trade that much for any other position but for the QB position, I'd do it if I thought that the guy I was going to get was a franchise QB.

What's the alternative? Wait until your team sucks enough to pick a guy of his quality without having to trade up?

Hope you can catch the once-in-a-blue moon slider QB who last long enough for you to take him?

Hope you can find a later round pick that works out?

Pray that you get a "MUHRUCLE" somewhere?

Teams without QBs are pretty much stagnant, at best. QB play is absolutely the biggest priority.

Given the bust rate of 1st round picks, I don't consider the cost that ridiculous.

Spend now and build for the next 5 years to be competitive.

Or

Hope for the stars to align and start building whenever you get your QB.

[Zaxor]

If I thought a guy was a franchise QB I certainly would sacrifice a draft to get him...between FA and whats left of my draft picks the following year and subsequent years I would hope to have shopped shrewdly enough to be competitive and that is about the best you can hope for now a days.

[SaltwaterServr]

And there has been stable ownership since 2005, yet its taken them 6 years to become competitive again.

If you are willing to have a team be terrible for that long, more power to you






Actually, odds are a top 5 pick will last much longer then a 3 or a 2, and we have no idea where next year's 1 would be.

http://blog.chron.com/texanschick/2011/04/average-length-of-a-nfl-players-career-players-and-owners-dont-agree-on-that-either/



So again, average length is 3.5 years for an NFL player, yet for a first rounder its 9.3 years





It sure can. Or more often then not its a guy like John Beck or Kellen Clemons

So again, I have no clue where a) you are talking about mortgaging 10 years, which is downright ridiculous when by the 2014 draft the Redskins will have a full draft again c) The Redskins already have 18 picks going into the next 2 drafts and this brings the Redskins down to 15 picks and 3rd) mortgaging 10 years for 4 years.

Your points simply are not well thought out here

In the end, 3 picks for a potential franchise QB that fits your system to a T and has outstanding character? Sign me up for that

You didn't really read the one article you quoted. For any player who ever makes a training camp roster, the career length average is 3.5 years.

ANY player that's on the opening day roster has an average career length of 6 years. Those who get a paid internship to appear in training camp as having an "NFL career" is the NFLPA's way of misrepresenting the average length of a player's career.

In effect, any player who makes a roster is 6 years. First rounders are 9 years. Considering the investment teams made in first round players, it's not surprising that they tend to stick around a little longer.

[Califan007]

:laugh2:

I dunno why but struck me funny that as a rebuttal against the age of the Washington defense you rattled off a list of guys I can't ever recall hearing about once.

Are all those guys really on the Skins roster? I looked for a couple and theres one or two I couldn't even find.

How many of those guys will even make it to or out of camp this year?
And so you thought it less funny to respond to my proof that the Skins defense is neither "aging" nor "injured" by claiming you never heard of any of them? lol...Ok, so you don't follow the Redskins. Duly noted. You understand that doesn't disprove my point, though, right?

Are all those guys really on the Skins roster? No, I just made up names and ages. You couldn't find them? Go to NFL.com. Every player on The Skins' entire roster--not just the ones you personally can remember--are on there.

How many of the entirety of the Skins' defensive roster will make it out of camp this year? Is this a real question? Or are you saying that the Skins defense somehow ended up #13 in the league using a bunch of no-name scrubs who wouldn't even be back-ups on most teams, and will be upgrading the defense because of it...which of course means the defense would get even better. Is that the funny part?

But to help you out, I'll only list the starters:

Kerrigan - 24
Perry - 24
Orakpo - 26
Wilson - 27
Landry - 27
Hall - 28
Bowen - 28
Carriker - 28
Cofield - 28
Atogwe - 31
Fletcher - 37

There's the Skins' "aging and injured" defense...you should be able to recognize at least 5 of those players.

[NeonDeion21]

In 2009 we sold our draft Roy Williams. We still had a 2nd but we traded down for Jason Williams and missed. That draft is killing us now because lack depth in a lot of areas and needed more talent on the defensive side of the ball.

Who knows how many years that draft will affect us for. If you trade 2 #1s, 2, and 3 you better hope RGIII is a top 4 QB.

[SkinsHokieFan]

In 2009 we sold our draft Roy Williams. We still had a 2nd but we traded down for Jason Williams and missed. That draft is killing us now because lack depth in a lot of areas and needed more talent on the defensive side of the ball.

Who knows how many years that draft will affect us for. If you trade 2 #1s, 2, and 3 you better hope RGIII is a top 4 QB.

Apples and oranges.

I would never advocate the Redskins making a trade like that for a veteran WR again (we sort of did with Coles back in 2003- a 1st went to the Jets)

For a potential franchise QB that could be the guy for the next decade? Yes

[Romo2Bryant4Six]

Beautiful, I would love nothing more.

Yes I'm being serious.

That's what I've been saying

[BraveHeartFan]

I;ll say that I'd love this move only if RGIII turned out to be a complete and total bust.

If he comes in and is the second coming of Heath Shuler then I'm all for the Redskins giving up the top part of this draft, and their first rounder next year, for a QB who sucked.

However I don't think that will be the case with RGIII so I'd rather the Skins not get him.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I;ll say that I'd love this move only if RGIII turned out to be a complete and total bust.

If he comes in and is the second coming of Heath Shuler then I'm all for the Redskins giving up the top part of this draft, and their first rounder next year, for a QB who sucked.

However I don't think that will be the case with RGIII so I'd rather the Skins not get him.

How Norv Turner thought an option QB with a big arm could function in his offense is still a mystery to me.

To be honest though, for a few years there was just a dearth of "franchise QBs" at the top of the draft.

Really from the time Aikman got drafted until Peyton Manning did you had some real duds

1990

Jeff George at number 1 and Andre Ware at number 7

1991

Dan McGwire at 16 and Todd Marinovich at 24

1992

David Klingler at 6 and Tommy Maddox at 25

1993

Drew Bledsoe at 1 Rick Mirer at 2 (Bledsoe would become a pretty good QB, not quite super elite great QB but pretty good)

1994

Shuler at 3 Dilfer at 6

1995

Steve McNair at 3 and Kerry Collins at 5. Both of them were pretty good QBs

1996

None in the first round. Can you imagine that today?

1997

Jim Drukenmiller at 26. Again can you imagine today a QB lasting that long? So in 2 drafts you had 1 first round QB, who was picked at 26.

1998

Manning at 1- Finally a true elite franchise QB


I am wondering what the hell happened with QB talent in the 1990s, all the way down to the lower levels of football

[NeonDeion21]

Apples and oranges.

I would never advocate the Redskins making a trade like that for a veteran WR again (we sort of did with Coles back in 2003- a 1st went to the Jets)

For a potential franchise QB that could be the guy for the next decade? Yes

If you miss on RGIII, you are not only hurting your QB position, but the entire team.

[BraveHeartFan]

How Norv Turner thought an option QB with a big arm could function in his offense is still a mystery to me.

To be honest though, for a few years there was just a dearth of "franchise QBs" at the top of the draft.

Really from the time Aikman got drafted until Peyton Manning did you had some real duds

1990

Jeff George at number 1 and Andre Ware at number 7

1991

Dan McGwire at 16 and Todd Marinovich at 24

1992

David Klingler at 6 and Tommy Maddox at 25

1993

Drew Bledsoe at 1 Rick Mirer at 2 (Bledsoe would become a pretty good QB, not quite super elite great QB but pretty good)

1994

Shuler at 3 Dilfer at 6

1995

Steve McNair at 3 and Kerry Collins at 5. Both of them were pretty good QBs

1996

None in the first round. Can you imagine that today?

1997

Jim Drukenmiller at 26. Again can you imagine today a QB lasting that long? So in 2 drafts you had 1 first round QB, who was picked at 26.

1998

Manning at 1- Finally a true elite franchise QB


I am wondering what the hell happened with QB talent in the 1990s, all the way down to the lower levels of football

Good question. The truth I guess is that the better QBs were found later.

Like Brett Favre in 1991. The better talent got found later for most of the 90's I guess.


Plus you had plenty of teams with top QBs for the whole decade so they weren't really looking, obviously, on the good teams.

The Cowboys had Aikman.

Niners had Young.

Packers wound up with Favre.

Broncos had Elway.

Miami had Marino.

Bills had Kelly.

A lot of the Hall of Fame QBs were still playing then.

Houston had Moon.

So on and so forth.

[tyke1doe]

I disagree.

It's not about finding Superman to immediately take you to the SB.

It's about having the most important piece of a franchise and building around that player over the course of the next 4-5 years so you can compete in order to get to the SB.

I wouldn't trade that much for any other position but for the QB position, I'd do it if I thought that the guy I was going to get was a franchise QB.

What's the alternative? Wait until your team sucks enough to pick a guy of his quality without having to trade up?

Hope you can catch the once-in-a-blue moon slider QB who last long enough for you to take him?

Hope you can find a later round pick that works out?

Pray that you get a "MUHRUCLE" somewhere?

Teams without QBs are pretty much stagnant, at best. QB play is absolutely the biggest priority.

Given the bust rate of 1st round picks, I don't consider the cost that ridiculous.

Spend now and build for the next 5 years to be competitive.

Or

Hope for the stars to align and start building whenever you get your QB.



^ This ^

Get a franchise quarterback, and you're basically in contention every year. Without a franchise quarterback, you're the Buffalo Bills, the Cleveland Browns, the Washington Redskins, the Tampa Buccaneers, the Oakland Raiders, the Jacksonville Jaguars - teams that are generally out of the playoff race by midseason.

With one, you're the NY Giants, the New England Patriots, the New Orleans Saints, the Green Bay Packers, the Pittsburgh Steelers (and, yes, the Dallas Cowboys) - teams that are going to be competing for the playoffs regularly for years.

[SkinsHokieFan]

If you miss on RGIII, you are not only hurting your QB position, but the entire team.

Whats the worst that will happen?

4 straight years out of the playoffs?

[BraveHeartFan]

Whats the worst that will happen?

4 straight years out of the playoffs?


lol.

Good point.

[Hoofbite]

And so you thought it less funny to respond to my proof that the Skins defense is neither "aging" nor "injured" by claiming you never heard of any of them? lol...Ok, so you don't follow the Redskins. Duly noted. You understand that doesn't disprove my point, though, right?

Are all those guys really on the Skins roster? No, I just made up names and ages. You couldn't find them? Go to NFL.com. Every player on The Skins' entire roster--not just the ones you personally can remember--are on there.

How many of the entirety of the Skins' defensive roster will make it out of camp this year? Is this a real question? Or are you saying that the Skins defense somehow ended up #13 in the league using a bunch of no-name scrubs who wouldn't even be back-ups on most teams, and will be upgrading the defense because of it...which of course means the defense would get even better. Is that the funny part?

But to help you out, I'll only list the starters:

Kerrigan - 24
Perry - 24
Orakpo - 26
Wilson - 27
Landry - 27
Hall - 28
Bowen - 28
Carriker - 28
Cofield - 28
Atogwe - 31
Fletcher - 37

There's the Skins' "aging and injured" defense...you should be able to recognize at least 5 of those players.

No need to get pissy. I just thought it was funny your list had guys who I couldn't find on the roster.

You essentially pulled youthful names, disregarding that some probably won't even be on the team opening day.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/2011_roster.htm

Baker
Jenkins
Worthington

Who are these guys?

Also disregarding why they are on the team now in that the team gutted all the age by getting rid of

Kameoatu
Carter
Hollday
Daniels
Haynesworth
Rogers

No need to get all upset. It wasn't a personal attack or anything. I just thought it was funny you listed some of the players you did.

[trickblue]

too much to give up. he might be great. then again he could be the next akili smith.

We can only hope that, if he goes to the skins, but in reality, this kid is the total package... physically, cognitively and character-wise...

His only detriment is his size, and he will grow some more...

[Chocolate Lab]

Gotta go with the Skins fan on this. What, really, is "overpaying" if you get a true franchise QB? You don't do the deal because you might be paying an extra second or third round pick? No way.

Bad thing for the Skins is, if you don't get RG3, where do you turn to for a great QB? There's almost nothing else out there in either the draft or FA. (I don't think Manning is a true option.)

[SkinsandTerps]

Hoofbite, those last 6 players were gone last season.

The Redskins have a fairly young team overall. And have some offensive talent to boot. Especially at LT and TE positions. WR is always a turnstyle with the Redskins it seems. RB is always a turnstyle with Shanahan but they have some decent enough young RBs. The OL had some issues last season but no more than the Cowboys in the grand scheme of things.

The rate of success of 1st round draft picks is overrated.

In most recent drafts there are only 2-3 guys drafted at the DE position that has been worthy of even being a 1st round pick based on wait for it...opinion. Orakpo is one of them that lived up to the hype. Redskins secondary is mid-level at best. For every great play they make physically, they make a bone head play mentally. Frustrating but they are getting better.

[Sonny#9]

+1


:clap2:

Good stuff.

That is a lot to give up -- but do you think the Giants are regretting giving up the farm for Eli Manning?

[SkinsandTerps]

We can only hope that, if he goes to the skins, but in reality, this kid is the total package... physically, cognitively and character-wise...

His only detriment is his size, and he will grow some more...

His size is not that bad either. He is 6-2 and 225 or so. Not as tall as some, but not as short as Brees (6-1) or Vick (supposedly 6-0).

[Sonny#9]

We can only hope that, if he goes to the skins, but in reality, this kid is the total package... physically, cognitively and character-wise...

His only detriment is his size, and he will grow some more...

Thats not even an issue anymore. RGIII measured in about the same size as Romo at the combine (RGIII: 6'2 3/8" 221; Romo 6'2 228).

[Califan007]

No need to get pissy. I just thought it was funny your list had guys who I couldn't find on the roster.

You essentially pulled youthful names, disregarding that some probably won't even be on the team opening day.
Why, exactly, won't they be on the team opening day again?...Because you personally don't know who they are? lol...

And the guy I responded to initially said the Skins defense was ALREADY "aging" and "injured"...



Baker
Jenkins
Worthington

Who are these guys?Whoa...the Skins have three back-up defensive players you've never heard of that MIGHT not make the team next year? lol...I bet no other team in the league has that many!

That is obviously a sign that the defense is "aging" and "injured". Yes, I do see the logic there. Because if they do not make the team, the Redskins are obligated by league rules to replace them with 34 year old players found on the injured reserve lists. I never realized replacing a handful of players no one has ever heard of would be so costly.

And for the record, Jenkins is Jarvis Jenkins...drafted in the 2nd round last season, was looking like an absolute steal in training camp and especially in the preseason--very disruptive, lots of penetration...then was lost for the season due to injury--and injury he's almost 100% recovered from and will be raring to go when OTAs start. He will probably replace Carriker even IF Carriker stays on the team...in fact it's one possible reason Carriker might test the market, because he knows his replacement is already on the team.

But, I know, I know..."never heard of him, so he's worthy of laughter"...gotcha. *thumbsup*




Also disregarding why they are on the team now in that the team gutted all the age by getting rid of

Kameoatu
Carter
Hollday
Daniels
Haynesworth
RogersOk, so you admit that the Skins "gutted" the team of the old, injury-prone players already?...Which means you agree that I'm right? lol

Again: the comment was not that the Skins had in the past or possibly in the future might have an aging, injured defense...it was that they had one NOW....and that the "aging, injured" defense would not be able to help Robert Griffin III should he end up the Skins' QB.

I showed that was complete, utter bull****.

Whether or not you personally know who the players are? 100% irrelevant.



No need to get all upset. It wasn't a personal attack or anything. I just thought it was funny you listed some of the players you did.Upset? Hardly lol...there are times, though, when the incredibly flawed logic held within a post that is trying to be ridiculing is deserving of a condescending tone in response.

[BraveHeartFan]

Geez could you take anything more personal?

lol.

[Califan007]

Geez could you take anything more personal?

lol.
You obviously have never interacted with me lol...this is incredibly tame compared to how "over-analytical" I can easily be when someone uses flawed logic and questionable "facts" in weak attempts to either 1) put down my post, or 2) put down the Skins, or 3) both lol...

[trickblue]

His size is not that bad either. He is 6-2 and 225 or so. Not as tall as some, but not as short as Brees (6-1) or Vick (supposedly 6-0).

Thats not even an issue anymore. RGIII measured in about the same size as Romo at the combine (RGIII: 6'2 3/8" 221; Romo 6'2 228).

I'm not putting the kid down... I've been touting him for a couple of years here...

He is not as stocky as Romo... he's a little thin, but he can add that weight... that's the only "down" side if any on him...

6' 2" is plenty tall to play QB in the NFL...

If you guys get him I hope he follows in the footsteps of Jamarcus Russell... :D

[Hostile]

The Rams are saying that Cleveland is rather silent on trade up talks. If they remain that way Washington will end up with Griffin III. Bet on it.

Cleveland is the only team that can get ahead of the Redskins.

[SkinsandTerps]

I'm not putting the kid down... I've been touting him for a couple of years here...

He is not as stocky as Romo... he's a little thin, but he can add that weight... that's the only "down" side if any on him...

6' 2" is plenty tall to play QB in the NFL...

If you guys get him I hope he follows in the footsteps of Jamarcus Russell... :D

He is thin but not weak or skinny. Certainly not in the frame of Cam Newton or some of those other QBs that played in similar systems like Tebow.

I am one that thinks Luck would be the bigger risk. I think he is all they say most of the time but his national hype was incredible compared to RG3 a year ago.

I hope they both do well in the NFL regardless of where they land. Both are real football players.

The Rams are saying that Cleveland is rather silent on trade up talks. If they remain that way Washington will end up with Griffin III. Bet on it.

Cleveland is the only team that can get ahead of the Redskins.

What is the line on that bet ?

Nothing would surprise me.

Cleveland is further away than Washington so you may have a valid point though.

[Hostile]

Cleveland is further away than Washington so you may have a valid point though.
Uh, no they aren't. Cleveland has the 4th pick in the Draft and another 1st round pick. Washington has the 5th pick and doesn't have another 1st round pick in this Draft.

Cleveland is significantly closer to the pieces it would need. But will they pay the price? Rams are indicating right now that they are acting like they aren't even interested. That is the only thing that puts Washington closer.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Uh, no they aren't. Cleveland has the 4th pick in the Draft and another 1st round pick. Washington has the 5th pick and doesn't have another 1st round pick in this Draft.

Cleveland is significantly closer to the pieces it would need. But will they pay the price? Rams are indicating right now that they are acting like they aren't even interested. That is the only thing that puts Washington closer.

I think he means further away talent wise on offense

[newlander]

too much to give up. he might be great. then again he could be the next akili smith.



.........I mean dude: akili smith was a moron: seriously. I don't want RG3 in DC.........HELL no.....his only downside is concussions: he's had a couple serious dings: but what football player hasn't?

[Sonny#9]

The Rams are saying that Cleveland is rather silent on trade up talks. If they remain that way Washington will end up with Griffin III. Bet on it.

Cleveland is the only team that can get ahead of the Redskins.

That kinda worries me actually...

If the Skins don't come away with RGIII -- nothing I say at that moment would be postable here...

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think he means further away talent wise on offense

Just to clarify...He was responding to Hostile's post with that line. So I can see if you took it talent wise but Hostile was clearly talking about draft status and he commented on it.

[slaga]

Uh, no they aren't. Cleveland has the 4th pick in the Draft and another 1st round pick. Washington has the 5th pick and doesn't have another 1st round pick in this Draft.

Cleveland is significantly closer to the pieces it would need. But will they pay the price? Rams are indicating right now that they are acting like they aren't even interested. That is the only thing that puts Washington closer.I thought Washington picked 6th...

Anyway Cleveland has to move up 2 spots and Washington has to move up 4 spots. In theory Cleveland should not necessarrily have to beat Washington's offer because the Rams would only move down 2 spots in the trade instead of 4. My bet is the Skins land RGIII though.

[cowboy_ron]

Go Skins...do a Falcon trade..give it all up for him

[Califan007]

The Rams are saying that Cleveland is rather silent on trade up talks. If they remain that way Washington will end up with Griffin III. Bet on it.

Cleveland is the only team that can get ahead of the Redskins.
And I don't think Holmgren and the Browns have the gonads--or the stupidity, take your pick lol--that Allen and Shanahan have to go ahead and jump in the deep end of the draft pick trading pool.

I just want to stop worrying about who's gonna be our QB from one season to the next. Hell, from one month to the next.

[slaga]

Go Skins...do a Falcon trade..give it all up for himFalcons traded for a WR. Even if the Redskins "trade the house" it is not the same as what the Falcons did. You have to look no further than Manning and the Colts to see how much a good QB can mean to a team. The loss (or gain) of a franchise QB can mean the difference between a playoff caliber team and a 1st overall draft pick. I am not saying RG3 will be any thing near Peyton Manning, but the impact of a franchise QB can hide many faults...

[Hoofbite]

Go Skins...do a Falcon trade..give it all up for him

They gave up late round picks though and were expected to be (and were) in the playoffs.

Not quite the same.

If you add up what they gave it comes out to be about as much as the value of the #4 overall pick in the draft.

If you add up what the Skins are considering trading, it comes out to about 2 #6 overall picks, or The #1 overall pick and the #55 overall pick.

Of course, I think the value chart is way outdated with a rookie wage scale and I'm surprised that the Redskins would be able to trade up with what they are supposed to be considering.

You went from seeing Suh get 40M guaranteed on a 60M, 5 year contract to seeing Von Miller get 21M over 4 years, all guaranteed.

Even still at the price of all those picks, if RG3 works out to be the player he could possibly be, it'll be a steal for whoever gets him. An absolute steal.

[Hoofbite]

Falcons traded for a WR. Even if the Redskins "trade the house" it is not the same as what the Falcons did. You have to look no further than Manning and the Colts to see how much a good QB can mean to a team. The loss (or gain) of a franchise QB can mean the difference between a playoff caliber team and a 1st overall draft pick. I am not saying RG3 will be any thing near Peyton Manning, but the impact of a franchise QB can hide many faults...

At the time I think I was a little shocked at what the Falcons gave up, probably because it was a good amount for what we have seen in the past.

But looking at the player they got and the financial price at which they only have to pay, I think they got a good deal. I think a few years from now we'll look back and say that Cleveland was shorted because they didn't get more and they should have been able to.

[TheFinisher]

Luck is supposed to be the best QB since Peyton Manning, but Griffin is right up there. He's a unanimous #1 overall pick any other year, he'll grade out higher than Newton, Bradford, Ryan, Stafford or any of the other recent top QBs. Franchise QBs with that kind of upside are invaluable, giving up a few draft picks to nab him is a small price to pay IMO.

[SkinsandTerps]

Just to clarify...He was responding to Hostile's post with that line. So I can see if you took it talent wise but Hostile was clearly talking about draft status and he commented on it.

And to clarify my response I was indeed talking about talent.

I know who stands where in the upcoming draft. Not to mention the Redskins pick 6th.

Hos' response excluded my part about the line on the bet. Therefore I believe he was responding the way myself and SHF both took it.

[Aikbach]

Luck is supposed to be the best QB since Peyton Manning, but Griffin is right up there. He's a unanimous #1 overall pick any other year, he'll grade out higher than Newton, Bradford, Ryan, Stafford or any of the other recent top QBs. Franchise QBs with that kind of upside are invaluable, giving up a few draft picks to nab him is a small price to pay IMO.I think Luck and RG3 will be the best pair of qb's in a draft since 2001 when Vick and Brees were selected...obviously Vick the athlete is phenomenal but RG# is going to be superior quarterback (he may already be than Mike Vick). it is my opinion RG3 is the next Steve Young...but with Vick athleticism.

Luck could have a very Brees-like career, I see similarities.

I don't think you'll regret drafting either, dating back to just after the 1983 draft I think only Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman and Aaron Rodgers were the first round picks taken in their league (obviously Young, Brady and Brees and Favre were taken outside the first round)

[Hostile]

Hos' response excluded my part about the line on the bet. Therefore I believe he was responding the way myself and SHF both took it.Nope. I was strictly talking about the Draft.

[SkinsHokieFan]

NFL.com RG3 shows his smarts (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d82742179/RGIII-shows-his-smarts?continuous=true)


Yea, for some reason I don't think he'll have trouble adjusting to an NFL offense :)

[SDogo]

NFL.com RG3 shows his smarts (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d82742179/RGIII-shows-his-smarts?continuous=true)


Yea, for some reason I don't think he'll have trouble adjusting to an NFL offense :)


Your going to be heartbroken if the Browns continue their push. Only team more love struck right now then the Redskins appears to be the Browns who are rumored to be not afraid to give the Rams the same deal the Skins are offering but have that 2nd first round pick to dangle out there this year as well as the security of the Rams only dropping 2 spots in order to get it done.

I would not at all be surprised to see the Colts starting to become the next team on speed dial.

[casmith07]

Your going to be heartbroken if the Browns continue their push. Only team more love struck right now then the Redskins appears to be the Browns who are rumored to be not afraid to give the Rams the same deal the Skins are offering but have that 2nd first round pick to dangle out there this year as well as the security of the Rams only dropping 2 spots in order to get it done.

I would not at all be surprised to see the Colts starting to become the next team on speed dial.

Rams could still get Blackmon or Kalil and then would have another pick at 22 to add another lineman if they wanted to.

What are you hearing, SDogo? I'm thinking that the Browns are going to move up to #2.

[SkinsFan82]

Your going to be heartbroken if the Browns continue their push. Only team more love struck right now then the Redskins appears to be the Browns who are rumored to be not afraid to give the Rams the same deal the Skins are offering but have that 2nd first round pick to dangle out there this year as well as the security of the Rams only dropping 2 spots in order to get it done.

Where are you getting that? Almost everyone yesterday and today is saying the Browns are showing little to no interest in moving up.

(Not saying you're wrong, just curious who is saying it)

[Hoofbite]

NFL.com RG3 shows his smarts (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d82742179/RGIII-shows-his-smarts?continuous=true)


RG3's issue will be how he adjusts to an NFL scheme. If he was white, we would be talking about how smart he is since he is a Baylor grad and has the option for law school. Sort of like how people were describing Sam Bradford as incredibly intelligent 2 years ago.

Well, I'm glad someone started talking about his wits because I was getting concerned that people were ignoring that because he's black.

Just giving ya crap. I know, well I hope you didn't really believe that people were overlooking that for the reason you stated.

I don't really follow college football and one of the first things I heard about this guy was how great of an athlete was and how great of student he was.

Yea, for some reason I don't think he'll have trouble adjusting to an NFL offense :)

Meh, not really impressed with re-drawing a play on a whiteboard. Knowing the play is probably the least mentally challenging thing a QB would have to endure in the NFL. Reading the defense CORRECTLY is the real key. He could probably draw out every play in the Baylor playbook and I would imagine that nearly every other QB at the combine could do the same for their respective offenses.

Can he read a defense? I have zero doubt that he or Luck will be able to learn a system. They have all the talent you would need to execute, how could you doubt that? The big thing is, can they read a defense both pre-/post-snap and make the right decision.

What I was impressed with in the video was his composure and confidence. Not to be confused with arrogance or cockiness. He was totally composed, 100% relaxed and even injected humor into the conversation. He wasn't monotonous, uptight or on edge. You see a lot of those QBs who go to Gruden's torture shack or whatever he calls it, his "QB Camp" I think and you can see some of them reserved and hesitant. Rightfully so, Gruden's got a reputation as a hard *** and hams it up a bit for the cameras but if you put RG3 in that situation I don't think he'd be different than he was talking to Mooch.

He's not simply responding with cookie-cutter answers, he's being himself. His expressions and the way responded to questions should give you more than enough information about his intelligence. Less intelligent players have the scripted responses, lack both the ability and willingness to even attempt to interject humor and stay within their comfort zone but not providing more information than what was asked of them.

I think the Colts are in the best possible position and at the same time in a difficult position. By all means RG3 would be the top QB in nearly any other draft. Smart, athletic, performance-wise and character-wise, he's the type of guy you would want to attempt to build a franchise around. His answer to possibly backing up Peyton Manning was flawless and it sounded genuine. There has to be a small part of the Colts that wants him for all those reasons. But, on the other hand you have the best QB prospect to enter the draft since Peyton sitting right there and he has all the same qualities regarding ability, performance, character and brains. No matter how much they may want to, they just cannot pass on him. It is simply out of the question.

What a predicament, huh? Two ideal Francise QB player available for your choosing. I bet getting to this point was absolutely brutal to go through losing almost every game but I imagine seeing one of those guys take the field for the next 12-15 years will make the 2011 season a little easier to swallow.

More than Indy though, I think STL is screwed. They've invested so much into Bradford that they feel they can't quit on him yet. I dunno how correct it is, but if Spotrac is correct, Bradford's cap hit is 5M in 2012 and steadily climbs to 7.5M in 2015. If that is accurate, I'd take a lesser package and send Bradford down the road after drafting RG3. Bradford really hasn't impressed and while some might say he has no help, being on the worst team from last year didn't stop Cam Newton from tearing it up. 4K as a rookie with 21 TDs through the air and likely would have been more if he hadn't been as mobile as he is and rushed for 14 TDs.

I don't know what Bradford could get in a trade but I gotta think a 2nd rounder isn't out of the question, and they might get more than that from a team really hard up for a QB. If they can't, that should really be indication enough for them that Bradford probably isn't a viable long-term answer. If nobody else views your current guy who's only 2 years removed from the #1 pick as worth a 1st rounder or 2nd rounder and they view another kid as being worth multiple 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder and possibly more, how can you pass on him?

[SDogo]

Where are you getting that? Almost everyone yesterday and today is saying the Browns are showing little to no interest in moving up.

(Not saying you're wrong, just curious who is saying it)

Exact opposite of what's going around Indianapolis which by the way is where I'm posting from.

Seattle, Miami, Cleveland and Washington are all the hot names. To the man everyone says it will come down to Cleveland and Washington. The Browns may not be playing their hand as much as the Skins right now but it's the quiet one's you need to be on the look out for.

Miami by the way is rumored and I say rumored because I don't buy it all is supposed have been talking to the Colts about the #1 spot that would include 3 #1 picks (I'm assuming 1 in each of the next 3 years because I don't see multiple #1 in any year for them unless I'm missing something)

Now I have heard the Skins are offering 1, 2, 3 this year and 1 next year in addition to the 5th round pick next year they received from New England. Basically the same package we have already discussed.

The Browns are said to be interested but no rumors on packages, just everyone assumes both #1's this year would be in play.

I have no idea what Seattle could put together but they would have to get real creative.

[SDogo]

On a side note to add another team, there are some rumbles that the Cardinals could get involved in a 3 way deal with kolb exchanging hands but this is the NFL not MLB or the NBA and deals like this never seem to evolve.

Only thing I can come up with is something like the Rams and Browns trading spots. The Rams getting the Browns 2 first round picks and what ever, the Browns then trading to the Cards for Kolb and #13.

Like I said, silly.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Your going to be heartbroken if the Browns continue their push. Only team more love struck right now then the Redskins appears to be the Browns who are rumored to be not afraid to give the Rams the same deal the Skins are offering but have that 2nd first round pick to dangle out there this year as well as the security of the Rams only dropping 2 spots in order to get it done.

I would not at all be surprised to see the Colts starting to become the next team on speed dial.

To me its the Browns pick to lose. In fact I would be completely stunned if they do NOT end up with RG3 and would wonder how cursed can the city of Cleveland be?

He'd make Lebron look small in Cleveland

Well, I'm glad someone started talking about his wits because I was getting concerned that people were ignoring that because he's black.

Just giving ya crap. I know, well I hope you didn't really believe that people were overlooking that for the reason you stated.

I don't really follow college football and one of the first things I heard about this guy was how great of an athlete was and how great of student he was.

:bow:

[SDogo]

To me its the Browns pick to lose. In fact I would be completely stunned if they do NOT end up with RG3 and would wonder how cursed can the city of Cleveland be?

He'd make Lebron look small in Cleveland


He would fail miserably in Cleveland. I don't see them ever being able or willing to give him any resemblance of a supporting cast. Not sure the Browns know what play makers are on offense.

[SkinsHokieFan]

He would fail miserably in Cleveland. I don't see them ever being able or willing to give him any resemblance of a supporting cast. Not sure the Browns know what play makers are on offense.

They have an o-line.

Getting playmakers, I agree with you. As far as I can tell the Redskins plans would involve dipping into the deep WR FA class this year to add playmakers.

Does Cleveland have that ability? I don't know their cap situation at all

[SDogo]

They have an o-line.

Getting playmakers, I agree with you. As far as I can tell the Redskins plans would involve dipping into the deep WR FA class this year to add playmakers.

Does Cleveland have that ability? I don't know their cap situation at all

They have the room to outspend just about anyone but they never have been free spenders and it's not a place that's attractive to FA's.

[StylisticS]

Honestly, no matter what Washington offers, Cleveland has the better offer in my mind. Simply because they have two number 1's. St. Louis can still get a top 5 draft pick plus another first rounder in a very talented draft class.

Edit, I just read don banks from sports si for the first time today. Apparently we agree with each other.

[SDogo]

Honestly, no matter what Washington offers, Cleveland has the better offer in my mind. Simply because they have two number 1's. St. Louis can still get a top 5 draft pick plus another first rounder in a very talented draft class.

Not only that but who would not want the Browns #1 next year. Just about guaranteeing yourself a top 10 pick.

[Biggems]

Ok Rams....take half the 2012 picks and half the 2013 picks.....including both 1sts and 2nds from the Skins......

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

If the Redskins are able to land RG III that's trouble. The only thing they're missing is a playmaking QB.

And an offensive line and recieving corps.

[Sonny#9]

And an offensive line and recieving corps.

Actually, their O-line wasn't that bad.

Outside of Becks terrible games where he was sacked 16 times by two of the worst pass rushes in the league (for holding the ball entirely too long), the Skins O-line averaged just over 2 sacks per game, which would rank a top-10 O-line, in terms of sacks surrendered.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Actually, their O-line wasn't that bad.

Outside of Becks terrible games where he was sacked 16 times by two of the worst pass rushes in the league (for holding the ball entirely too long), the Skins O-line averaged just over 2 sacks per game, which would rank a top-10 O-line, in terms of sacks surrendered.


And fewer sacks then GB

Regardless the Redskins o-line will be improved via poaching Kiesel and Meyers from Houston, who will be a seamless fit in DC

[SacredStar]

I just read an article stating Russell Wilson out of Wisconsin is a better overall, NFL ready QB than RGIII. Scouts are saying RG gets more attention, but Wilson is far more accurate, more mobile, and his senior season stats in college would rate as a 135.7 NFL QB rating. The bad rap on Wilson is his size....5' 10''. But they say he is smarter and better than who the Skins covet.

[Chocolate Lab]

I just read an article stating Russell Wilson out of Wisconsin is a better overall, NFL ready QB than RGIII.
Umm... Okay.

[AmishGangsta]

I think the Redskins spread those rumors - through Howard Eskin and others - to see what other teams are interested and possibly scare them off. They'll end up giving up a tad bit less than that.

Personally, I hope they trade two 1sts, and a second or third round pick, and leave Bruce Allen with some picks he can work some magic with (ie trade down and get more picks, like last year).
I keep hearing Clevland is not interested in trading up, even though they are the odds on favorites to land RG3 by the media.

Also, heard/read there were two surprise teams in the mix: The Eagles (apparently willing to trade Vick), and the.... - you ready? - Dallas Cowboys)

I think it is just speculation, but I'd be pissed if the Cowboys traded up to get him:
http://nflspinzone.com/2012/02/28/mystery-team-potentially-looking-into-rg3-deal (http://nflspinzone.com/2012/02/28/mystery-team-potentially-looking-into-rg3-deal)

Jerry Jones did say, that the difference between the Giants and Cowboys was QB play. Maybe he was hinting at something...

[iowast8rs]

if the Skins get RG3 they will become a contender for many years. Maybe not his first or second, but soon thereafter, right around the time Romo starts to decline. We'll be down hill as far as QB performance is concerned, and they will at the top of the hill sitting pretty for several years. if the Skins get RG3, it will be a bad thing for us having to cover 2 scrambling QBs with a weak LB core.

[BraveHeartFan]

I just read an article stating Russell Wilson out of Wisconsin is a better overall, NFL ready QB than RGIII. Scouts are saying RG gets more attention, but Wilson is far more accurate, more mobile, and his senior season stats in college would rate as a 135.7 NFL QB rating. The bad rap on Wilson is his size....5' 10''. But they say he is smarter and better than who the Skins covet.


Nothing against Wilson, and with all due respect to him and the people saying this, I completely disagree.

[newlander]

Nothing against Wilson, and with all due respect to him and the people saying this, I completely disagree.



...couldn't agree more: RG3 blows wilson AWAY

[hipfake08]

Just an FYI, Eskin also said during Superbowl week that Manning to the Redskins was a done deal.

I'd take it with a grain of salt. But 3 picks to get RG3 and swapping 1sts this year? Sign me up

Doing both is a reach. Manning would have some say in where he goes.

I would like RG3 to go to the Browns because they have been so down for so long.

If the Redskins strip themselves of picks they are back in the same place they were and with only a QB and not much more. Their O line needs work as do most on the offensive side of the ball. And when they are doing that their defensive side will suffer.

[The30YardSlant]

If he's going to end up being a great QB I hope he ends up in Cleveland. Those fans have been through an absolute beating over the past 30 years, from four AFC Title game losses in the 80s to having their franchise ripped away from them in the 90s to living through the Tim Couch experiment...they deserve a winner.

[Gaede]

If he's going to end up being a great QB I hope he ends up in Cleveland. Those fans have been through an absolute beating over the past 30 years, from four AFC Title game losses in the 80s to having their franchise ripped away from them in the 90s to living through the Tim Couch experiment...they deserve a winner.

Agreed, I think they're one team I genuinely feel sorry for. It's been a pretty rough go for these guys...They just can't-get-right, it seems

[BraveHeartFan]

I want him to go to Cleveland as well.

But it has nothing to do with feeling bad for the Browns or their fans. I don't care at all about any of that.

I don't want him to turn out to be the QB that many believe he just might turn out to be in a Redskins uniform.

Unless it's an extreme bust of a QB and then I'd be thrilled if he wound up in a Redskins uniform. :)

[The30YardSlant]

I want him to go to Cleveland as well.

But it has nothing to do with feeling bad for the Browns or their fans. I don't care at all about any of that.

I don't want him to turn out to be the QB that many believe he just might turn out to be in a Redskins uniform.

Unless it's an extreme bust of a QB and then I'd be thrilled if he wound up in a Redskins uniform. :)

The Redskins are one of the few teams that has NEVER really had a "star" QB in the modern era. Ever since Sammy Baugh in the 40s they havent had much of note at the position. I mean, Theisman is well known but isnt what most would consider a star QB.

Just seems odd that a pretty successful franchise can go 60 years without a true standout at QB.

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

The Redskins are one of the few teams that has NEVER really had a "star" QB in the modern era. Ever since Sammy Baugh in the 40s they havent had much of note at the position. I mean, Theisman is well known but isnt what most would consider a star QB.

Just seems odd that a pretty successful franchise can go 60 years without a true standout at QB.
Sonny Jurgensen.

[SkinsHokieFan]

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/intrigue-looms-as-rams-dangle-no-pick/article_31a15698-368b-587c-ac57-a4f60ed69a44.html

Intrigue looms as Rams dangle No. 2 pick

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/intrigue-looms-as-rams-dangle-no-pick/article_31a15698-368b-587c-ac57-a4f60ed69a44.html#ixzz1oAbN4OFP

If the Rams are successful in trading out, and Griffin indeed is the No. 2 pick this year, he will get a contract similar to Miller. And that figures to be a lot cheaper than any contract signed by Manning, if he reaches the market, and maybe even be cheaper than any deal Flynn gets in free agency.

So far, however, the quarterback-needy teams don’t seem to be in a hurry to get Griffin. They might be waiting to see what happens with Manning, Flynn and the others. They might be waiting to do their due diligence and watch Griffin throw at his pro day March 21.

In the meantime, the Rams are talking and will continue to talk with potential trade partners. According to league sources, this was the trade landscape entering the weekend:

• Cleveland (No. 4 pick): The Browns are unwilling at this point to include their second first-round pick, No. 22, as part of any trade package with the Rams.

• Washington (No. 6): The Redskins appear willing to trade their first-round pick next year, as well as their No. 6 overall pick this year. But they aren’t willing to include their second-rounder this year, which isn’t acceptable to the Rams.

• Miami (No. 8): This one appears to be dead in the water, somewhere off Florida’s Gold Coast. After losing the tug-of-war for coach Jeff Fisher, the Dolphins aren’t eager to do business with the Rams — or do the Rams any favors.

• Seattle (No. 12): No chance. The last thing the Rams want to do is send RG3 to a division rival and face him twice a year. The same applies for Arizona, which picks 13th.



It looks to be a 2 team race, but right now the Browns aren't interested in trading the 22nd pick and the Redskins aren't interested in trading the 39th pick

[Gaede]

Sounds like posturing to me.

In the end, I expect the Skins to move up, and give up that second rounder in the process.

I just can't picture Griffin in Cleveland.

[SDogo]

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/intrigue-looms-as-rams-dangle-no-pick/article_31a15698-368b-587c-ac57-a4f60ed69a44.html

Intrigue looms as Rams dangle No. 2 pick

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/professional/intrigue-looms-as-rams-dangle-no-pick/article_31a15698-368b-587c-ac57-a4f60ed69a44.html#ixzz1oAbN4OFP



It looks to be a 2 team race, but right now the Browns aren't interested in trading the 22nd pick and the Redskins aren't interested in trading the 39th pick


I get the feeling the Browns are more sincere about not trading #22 then the Skins are about not trading #39.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I get the feeling the Browns are more sincere about not trading #22 then the Skins are about not trading #39.

Agree. I'd certainly hope so at least, if it ends up being one more 2nd round pick to cement this thing the org damn well better make that move.

[SkinsHokieFan]

One more interesting tweet

via @ShawnZobel_DHQ Word on the street is that Matt Flynn was not tagged because Green Bay could not agree to a deal with Cleveland or Miami

Omar Kelly‏@OmarKellyReply
RT @martycassini: Why do you think Flynn will land in Cleveland?» Not what I think. What I'm told, which is they'd prefer him over RGIII