NY Times- Baylor Has Built Texas Sized Athletic Program

[Aikbach]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/sports/ncaabasketball/baylor-has-built-a-texas-size-athletic-program.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

[Future]

Interesting read, not sure I buy that their the "best athletic program in the country."

They're also reaping the benefits of having two major stars, Griner and RGIII playing at the same time. Let's see what happens next year when the football team isn't good anymore.

[Doomsday101]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/sports/ncaabasketball/baylor-has-built-a-texas-size-athletic-program.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

If Baylor is willing to make a true investment in their athletic program as appears to be the case then they have a chance to be a factor in Big 12. For years OSU was down then T Boone Pickens came in made some major investments in the school and they have reaped the rewards.

[casmith07]

Interesting read, not sure I buy that their the "best athletic program in the country."

They're also reaping the benefits of having two major stars, Griner and RGIII playing at the same time. Let's see what happens next year when the football team isn't good anymore.

The next starting QB is basically RG IV, from what they've been saying.

[The30YardSlant]

Baylor caught lightening in a bottle with Griffin and Scott Drew who is either the best recruiter this side of Nick Saban or is flat out cheating. Their WBB team has been good to great for a while but honestly, who really cares? WBB operates in the red at every school but Tennessee and UCONN and routinely draws ESPN's lowest ratings.

[Future]

The next starting QB is basically RG IV, from what they've been saying.
Of course that's what they're saying...

[Doomsday101]

Of course that's what they're saying...

Give Briles track record with college QB I would not doubt they will get good production out of the QB spot.

[Cythim]

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=205159948

So far they only have one Big 12 title this season out of the dozen that have been handed out. It is nice to see them be competitive (and get recognition in the NYT) but calling them "Texas" sized or best in the nation is a huge stretch. Good for Baylor, I hope they can keep it up and knock Tech down a peg or two.

And seriously, bragging about a nationally ranked equestrian team? I don't think there are 25 teams to have a complete ranking.

[trickblue]

Actually, and I've stated it here before, overall athletics may not matter to the Average Joe, but overall Baylor is one of the top in the country. While most of us just watch football and hoops, the other programs bring in money as well... a LOT of it. Baylor is a model for running top notch programs at every level.

They hired one of the the best young AD's a few years back in Ian McCaw and they have a solid supporting staff. They are just now getting recognized because of their football and hoops programs. The truth is that they have been an example of how to run things for quite a few years now...

[The30YardSlant]

While most of us just watch football and hoops, the other programs bring in money as well... a LOT of it.

Actually they don't. Football and men's basketball are the only two sports that actually bring in funds at most schools. All other sports typically operate in the red, though baseball programs in the south tend to come out about even. In fact, football and basketball are what allow those other sports to exist as they provide the funds.

For instance, women's basketball actually costs mosts schools millions of dollars to keep going. Only Tennessee and UCONN turn a slight profit from WBB. If not for Title IX, many schools would drop their women's program altogether because it isn't worth it. Track and field, lacrosse, soccer, swimming/diving, golf, etc. all cost schools money to run.

Television contracts and to a much lesser extent ticket and merchandise sales are what create funds, and only football and MBB routinely bring in profits. Statistically A&M has a top 10 athletic program that ranked the best in the Big XII the last two years according to the Sprint Cup or whatever they cll it these days, but 90% of the stuff we've been good at recently is irrelevant and nobody really cares.

[trickblue]

Actually they don't. Football and men's basketball are the only two sports that actually bring in funds at most schools. All other sports typically operate in the red, though baseball programs in the south tend to come out about even. In fact, football and basketball are what allow those other sports to exist as they provide the funds.

For instance, women's basketball actually costs mosts schools millions of dollars to keep going. Only Tennessee and UCONN turn a slight profit from WBB. If not for Title IX, many schools would drop their women's program altogether because it isn't worth it. Track and field, lacrosse, soccer, swimming/diving, golf, etc. all cost schools money to run.

Television contracts and to a much lesser extent ticket and merchandise sales are what create funds, and only football and MBB routinely bring in profits. Statistically A&M has a top 10 athletic program that ranked the best in the Big XII the last two years according to the Sprint Cup or whatever they cll it these days, but 90% of the stuff we've been good at recently is irrelevant and nobody really cares.

The thing you aren't figuring in IS the Government subsidies... Title IX is all well and good, but these schools would have funds pulled away if they didn't support all of the sports... so it's worth a lot of money.

There is a LOT of money these schools get that they pretend they don't. Our state University system is a money sham if everyone knew what was going on on reality. Major schools aren't losing a penny...

[Cythim]

Actually, and I've stated it here before, overall athletics may not matter to the Average Joe, but overall Baylor is one of the top in the country. While most of us just watch football and hoops, the other programs bring in money as well... a LOT of it. Baylor is a model for running top notch programs at every level.

They hired one of the the best young AD's a few years back in Ian McCaw and they have a solid supporting staff. They are just now getting recognized because of their football and hoops programs. The truth is that they have been an example of how to run things for quite a few years now...

The Director's Cup tracks overall athletics and Baylor does not crack the Top 25. They are an example of turning a school around if it wants to compete at every level but they are not a top notch program. Unfortunately for Baylor, it will always be the 2nd best place to go when you cannot get into the best program.

[Cythim]

The thing you aren't figuring in IS the Government subsidies... Title IX is all well and good, but these schools would have funds pulled away if they didn't support all of the sports... so it's worth a lot of money.

There is a LOT of money these schools get that they pretend they don't. Our state University system is a money sham if everyone knew what was going on on reality. Major schools aren't losing a penny...

You are absolutely right, for schools to get their 85 football scholarships funded by the gov't they need to provide women's soccer, volleyball, and women's gymnastics/equestrian/rowing to meet the Title IX requirements.

[Aikbach]

Sports Illustrated joins NY Times in the accolades:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1195167/1/index.htm

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[MC KAos]

thats good for Baylor, we need them to continue to ascend in football so the big 12 can maintain its status as the second best conference, and hopefully start competing for number 1 soon.

[Doomsday101]

thats good for Baylor, we need them to continue to ascend in football so the big 12 can maintain its status as the second best conference, and hopefully start competing for number 1 soon.

I agree. I do think some are quick to dismiss Baylor and the progress they are making. I don't see them competing for a National Championship anytime soon but I do think they can build that program into a respectable contender. It is not going to happen overnight

[The30YardSlant]

I agree. I do think some are quick to dismiss Baylor and the progress they are making. I don't see them competing for a National Championship anytime soon but I do think they can build that program into a respectable contender. It is not going to happen overnight

I think you're underestimating the impact of Robert Griffin. Baylor had one of the worst defenses in the nation and their special teams were statistically subpar as well. Griffin was the difference between 10-3 and 5-7.

No real reason to think they'll be anywhere near as competative next year.

[Doomsday101]

I think you're underestimating the impact of Robert Griffin. Baylor had one of the worst defenses in the nation and their special teams were statistically subpar as well. Griffin was the difference between 10-3 and 5-7.

I'm not saying it didn't make a differance I would also say the reason he went to Baylor was due to Briles. Briles has put some very good QB out on the field and I don't think it stops with Griffin. Yes Baylor has a lot of work to do. OSU had a lot of work to do years back but they continued to build and of course T Boone Pickens putting money into the program did not hurt.

If you want to dismiss Baylor fine I'm not I know it is doable to put together a program that is competitive.

[Aikbach]

Of course that's what they're saying... RG4 maybe a stretch but Nick Florence has been compared favorably by scouts to Colt McCoy.

So with RG3 and Florence you may have the Baylor version of Vince Young to Colt McCoy.

One UT insider was supposedly so flabbergasted by Baylor's deep bench versus Texas' quarterback woes as to speculate that Florence would've had the 2011 Longhorns in a BCS Bowl if he had been their quarterback instead of Case and Ash.

Florence started the 2009 season as a true freshman after RG3 was hurt, so he isn't a rookie, and he's considered a player coach, RG3 would often confer with him on the sideline as Florence called in the plays and helped identify coverages.

[MC KAos]

I think you're underestimating the impact of Robert Griffin. Baylor had one of the worst defenses in the nation and their special teams were statistically subpar as well. Griffin was the difference between 10-3 and 5-7.

No real reason to think they'll be anywhere near as competative next year.

i think you are underestimating the impact of Robert Griffin on recruiting. To be able to tout that a heisman trophy winner recently played at your school, its a great tool for schools to use in recruiting. i think baylor is done being crappy for the foreseeable future. Tech might be taking over that role in the big 12

[Doomsday101]

i think you are underestimating the impact of Robert Griffin on recruiting. To be able to tout that a heisman trophy winner recently played at your school, its a great tool for schools to use in recruiting. i think baylor is done being crappy for the foreseeable future. Tech might be taking over that role in the big 12

I agree not to mention winning. Baylor playing games on national TV getting the exposer helps in terms of recruiting as well. I'm not trying to say Baylor will become some national power house but given where they have been in the Big 12 they have a chance to become a much better program and with more success the job of getting quality kids gets a bit easier

[DFWJC]

Good read.

But if you want "best overall athletic program" you need to refer to the Director's Cup; maybe run an average over the last 5-10 years.
Then maybe cross-reference that by high grading the sports that garner the most interest (football, bsketball, etc) and you have an answer.

The top group includes the usual suspects Stanford, Florida, Texas, North Carolina, UCLA, Michigan, Ohio St, USC, etc.

Baylor has risen fast, but in 2010-11 they still only finished 36th .

[The30YardSlant]

i think you are underestimating the impact of Robert Griffin on recruiting. To be able to tout that a heisman trophy winner recently played at your school, its a great tool for schools to use in recruiting. i think baylor is done being crappy for the foreseeable future. Tech might be taking over that role in the big 12

But you're still having to convince elite high school recruits to live in Waco with marginal facilities and woeful fan support for four years.

[The30YardSlant]

RG4 maybe a stretch but Nick Florence has been compared favorably by scouts to Colt McCoy.

So with RG3 and Florence you may have the Baylor version of Vince Young to Colt McCoy.

One UT insider was supposedly so flabbergasted by Baylor's deep bench versus Texas' quarterback woes as to speculate that Florence would've had the 2011 Longhorns in a BCS Bowl if he had been their quarterback instead of Case and Ash.

Florence started the 2009 season as a true freshman after RG3 was hurt, so he isn't a rookie, and he's considered a player coach, RG3 would often confer with him on the sideline as Florence called in the plays and helped identify coverages.

Florence was below average at best in 2009 (6 YPA, 6 TD, 9 INT) and has thrown a grand total of 24 passes the last two seasons. He may in fact be a solid QB, but it's pure speculation at this point.

[Aikbach]

Florence was below average at best in 2009 (6 YPA, 6 TD, 9 INT) and has thrown a grand total of 24 passes the last two seasons. He may in fact be a solid QB, but it's pure speculation at this point.
Yawn Aggy, we get it, you can't ever stand it when someone does well, get over it and move on.

fact is scouts are high on Florence and he's better than Reggie McNeal, Stephen McGee, Jerrod Johnson and whatever other supposed heisman candidates A&M has self proclaimed over the last decade.

Playing in Waco isn't any less insufferable to College Station, a town close to nothing of note and home to nothing of interest to a collegiate athlete.


Baylor ranked and rising, Aggies unranked, fans distraught and whining, we get it.

[The30YardSlant]

Yawn Aggy, we get it, you can't ever stand it when someone does well, get over it and move on.

It's simply a statement of fact. Anyone comparing him to Colt McCoy at this point is a fool, because there is NOTHING to indicate that in his incredibly limited playing time.

fact is scouts are high on Florence and he's better than Reggie McNeal, Stephen McGee, Jerrod Johnson and whatever other supposed heisman candidates A&M has self proclaimed over the last decade.

But all were better than Shawn Bell, who Florence is just as likely to turn out to be. Again, there is literally nothing but speculation on him.

Playing in Waco isn't any less insufferable to College Station, a town close to nothing of note and home to nothing of interest to a collegiate athlete.

Probably not, but A&M has top notch fan support and facilities and a much lower crime and poverty rate even if you include Bryan. Not sure why you have to always make things about A&M, though.


Baylor ranked and rising, Aggies unranked, fans distraught and whining, we get it.

Again, not sure what any of this has to do with A&M.

[cowboyeric8]

Death, taxes, and Baylor threads.

[Cythim]

Yawn Aggy, we get it, you can't ever stand it when someone does well, get over it and move on.

fact is scouts are high on Florence and he's better than Reggie McNeal, Stephen McGee, Jerrod Johnson and whatever other supposed heisman candidates A&M has self proclaimed over the last decade.

Playing in Waco isn't any less insufferable to College Station, a town close to nothing of note and home to nothing of interest to a collegiate athlete.


Baylor ranked and rising, Aggies unranked, fans distraught and whining, we get it.

I love how you always have to drag TAMU into this and make it a comparison of the two schools. The point is there is nothing but speculation as to how well your new QB will play. He could be great or he could be a hot mess, we won't know until he plays. Scouts are high on a lot of different QBs, some are booms are many are busts. But go ahead a deride TAMU and College Station in your effort to inflate your own school if that is what you feel you must do.

[Doomsday101]

I love how you always have to drag TAMU into this and make it a comparison of the two schools. The point is there is nothing but speculation as to how well your new QB will play. He could be great or he could be a hot mess, we won't know until he plays. Scouts are high on a lot of different QBs, some are booms are many are busts. But go ahead a deride TAMU and College Station in your effort to inflate your own school if that is what you feel you must do.

I agree right now he is a bit unknown since he has played behind RGIII, I will say Briles seems to get the most out of the QB in his offense be it at UH or now at Baylor. RGIII went to Baylor in large part because Briles left UH for the Baylor job.

[Cythim]

I agree right now he is a bit unknown since he has played behind RGIII, I will say Briles seems to get the most out of the QB in his offense be it at UH or now at Baylor. RGIII went to Baylor in large part because Briles left UH for the Baylor job.

I don't disagree that Briles seems to have some talent is picking and grooming QBs, but we can all see with UT's current situation that expectation does not create a good QB. I would be cheering for Baylor to continue humiliating Texas and Oklahoma if it weren't for Aikbach running his mouth. I am proud for them to be able to build their programs, it is just hard to enjoy when someone can be so annoying about it. It is like when your brother nails a hot chick and won't shut up about it, you want to be happy for him and punch him in the face at the same time.

[Doomsday101]

I don't disagree that Briles seems to have some talent is picking and grooming QBs, but we can all see with UT's current situation that expectation does not create a good QB. I would be cheering for Baylor to continue humiliating Texas and Oklahoma if it weren't for Aikbach running his mouth. I am proud for them to be able to build their programs, it is just hard to enjoy when someone can be so annoying about it. It is like when your brother nails a hot chick and won't shut up about it, you want to be happy for him and punch him in the face at the same time.

I don't mind Baylor beating OU but my Horns is a different story. Just a pet peeve when people say they can't become a good program. Clearly with teams like Texas and OU being 2 of the top teams in the Big 12 it is hard to outfight them for prospects but Texas is a big state with a lot of good players out there. In my view if a school and it's alumni are willing to back and support their program and you put the staff in place you can build a successful program.

[Aikbach]

I don't disagree that Briles seems to have some talent is picking and grooming QBs, but we can all see with UT's current situation that expectation does not create a good QB. I would be cheering for Baylor to continue humiliating Texas and Oklahoma if it weren't for Aikbach running his mouth. I am proud for them to be able to build their programs, it is just hard to enjoy when someone can be so annoying about it. It is like when your brother nails a hot chick and won't shut up about it, you want to be happy for him and punch him in the face at the same time.LOL at the mouth running, you and slant act like condescending punks each and everytime any team that isn't from college station outclasses you and it's just a tad ridiculous. Any mouth running you receive is putting you dotes in your place for your perpetual penis envy.

You always find something to demean or cast aside, perhaps it's your own attitude you should check.

[Cythim]

LOL at the mouth running, you and slant act like condescending punks each and everytime any team that isn't from college station outclasses you and it's just a tad ridiculous. Any mouth running you receive is putting you dotes in your place for your perpetual penis envy.

You always find something to demean or cast aside, perhaps it's your own attitude you should check.

:laugh2: What crawled up your skirt? Like I said, I am proud for Baylor for what they have been able to accomplish. You, on the other hand, make the school look bad by coming around here acting like a giant tool. I haven't said anything that isn't true, you just like to pretend Baylor is as big as Stanford.

[Aikbach]

:laugh2: What crawled up your skirt? Like I said, I am proud for Baylor for what they have been able to accomplish. You, on the other hand, make the school look bad by coming around here acting like a giant tool. I haven't said anything that isn't true, you just like to pretend Baylor is as big as Stanford.Psst, take a look a round and notice you two are mocked on every thread, do me a favor and put me on ignore and don't post on any threads I post. No one solicited your juvenile rinse and repeat Baylor bashing that you throw about every time someone says something nice about them.

So quit projecting as if anyone has solicited or provoked you into acting like an idiot repeatedly.

[Cythim]

Psst, take a look a round and notice you two are mocked on every thread, do me a favor and put me on ignore and don't post on any threads I post. No one solicited your juvenile rinse and repeat Baylor bashing that you throw about every time someone says something nice about them.

So quit projecting as if anyone has solicited or provoked you into acting like an idiot repeatedly.

This is a forum where everyone is free to discuss their opinion, whether it be supportive or contrary to the topic at hand. If you cannot handle reading opinion that doesn't blow sunshine and rainbows up the rear of Baylor fans perhaps you should find another forum to discuss these topics in. Until then quit trying to run me off by saying "ZOMG YOU WEREN'T INVITED TO THIS THREAD!"

:lmao:

Do yourself the favor and put me on ignore if you don't want to read what I post about Baylor.

[cowboyeric8]

Psst, take a look a round and notice you two are mocked on every thread, do me a favor and put me on ignore and don't post on any threads I post. No one solicited your juvenile rinse and repeat Baylor bashing that you throw about every time someone says something nice about them.

So quit projecting as if anyone has solicited or provoked you into acting like an idiot repeatedly.

I don't think they are mocked at all. They just defend A&M when people take pot shots at them.

[Aikbach]

I don't think they are mocked at all. They just defend A&M when people take pot shots at them.I've seldom seen anyone take a shot at A&M that wasn't simply reminding those particular posters to get over themselves, this thread is pretty good indication.

There is such a thing as not posting if you have nothing to contribute in a constructive manner, we all know they like to minimize other people's successes and get offended when they're asked what success A&M has had to speak of in return.

[The30YardSlant]

I've seldom seen anyone take a shot at A&M that wasn't simply reminding those particular posters to get over themselves, this thread is pretty good indication.

There is such a thing as not posting if you have nothing to contribute in a constructive manner, we all know they like to minimize other people's successes and get offended when they're asked what success A&M has had to speak of in return.

This thread was entirely about Baylor until you went off on A&M in post #25, and it was all constructive prior to that. In a thread about athletic success and the ability of their athletic program to keep improving noting potential limitations is a very logical part of the discussion. You simply don't see anything that isnt 100% positive with regards to Baylor as constructive and resort to personal insults and sweeping generalizations. In every A&M or Baylor thread that has ever devolved on this board, I can point to a single post made BY YOU containing either a personal insult or an institutional insult that started it all. Everyone here is capable of having a rational discussion about Baylor...except you.

[DFWJC]

I guess this thread took a detour.....

[BrAinPaiNt]

I've seldom seen anyone take a shot at A&M that wasn't simply reminding those particular posters to get over themselves, this thread is pretty good indication.

There is such a thing as not posting if you have nothing to contribute in a constructive manner, we all know they like to minimize other people's successes and get offended when they're asked what success A&M has had to speak of in return.

You take shots at ATM whenever there is a thread talking about ATM or if ATM fans chime in on baylor.

Whatever you claim they do, you do as well. You are like the baylor version of them.

I really don't know how you don't see it.

[Sam I Am]

This coming season is going to show how much of an impact RGIII really made at Baylor.

[Doomsday101]

This coming season is going to show how much of an impact RGIII really made at Baylor.

I'm sure it will but don't forget Briles is the one who got Kevin Kolb and Case Keenum along with RGIII. I doubt Briles will be lacking an effective QB. As good as RGIII? chances are no but given Briles offense and his ability to find QB to play within his system that should be a big help to Baylor

[The30YardSlant]

I'm sure it will but don't forget Briles is the one who got Kevin Kolb and Case Keenum along with RGIII. I doubt Briles will be lacking an effective QB. As good as RGIII? chances are no but given Briles offense and his ability to find QB to play within his system that should be a big help to Baylor

Robert Griffin was a highly touted, four-star nationally recruited player with offers from Nebraska, Tennessee, Oregon, etc. He committed to Houston because his high school coach was best friends with Art Bries and then followed Briles to Baylor. In contrast, the QBs on Baylor's roster next year are Bryce Petty, two unheralded recruits whom had Baylor as their most significant offer out of HS and a walk-on. Nick Florence is the only guy there with any experience whatsoever and he has thrown 24 passes in the last two years. Petty has never thrown a pass and, while a good QB recruit by Baylor's standards, still wasnt a top 40 overall QB recruit.

What I'm saying is that nobody was surprised that Robert Griffin turned out to be a good QB. If anybody on their current roster even makes a blip on the national radar it would qualify as at least somewhat of a surprise. To say they'll be fine because "Briles has had success with QBs in the past" is putting an undue amount of faith in him IMO. Let's also keep in mind that Case Keenum succeed in CUSA, has be dogged by scouts for years and is expected to be picked pretty low in the draft. He is unlikely to succeed past the mid-major level.

[Sam I Am]

I'm sure it will but don't forget Briles is the one who got Kevin Kolb and Case Keenum along with RGIII. I doubt Briles will be lacking an effective QB. As good as RGIII? chances are no but given Briles offense and his ability to find QB to play within his system that should be a big help to Baylor

I wasn't slighting them with that post. I was pointing out that we will find out just how much of an impact RGIII was for Baylor in comparison to the rest of Baylor team.

[Aikbach]

I wasn't slighting them with that post. I was pointing out that we will find out just how much of an impact RGIII was for Baylor in comparison to the rest of Baylor team.Yep, I agree will be a good barometer of how far they've come if they win 8 to 10 games without a pre-season superstar.

[Aikbach]

You take shots at ATM whenever there is a thread talking about ATM or if ATM fans chime in on baylor.

Whatever you claim they do, you do as well. You are like the baylor version of them.

I really don't know how you don't see it.Only in response to them have I ever been needling, i'm over it, you should be too. I simply asked them to grow up and quit being broken records about how unworthy they perceive Baylor is, not even in a conference I watch anymore so i really couldn't care less and neither should they since they won't even play Baylor or any other Big 12 team possibly ever again.

[Doomsday101]

Robert Griffin was a highly touted, four-star nationally recruited player with offers from Nebraska, Tennessee, Oregon, etc. He committed to Houston because his high school coach was best friends with Art Bries and then followed Briles to Baylor. In contrast, the QBs on Baylor's roster next year are Bryce Petty, two unheralded recruits whom had Baylor as their most significant offer out of HS and a walk-on. Nick Florence is the only guy there with any experience whatsoever and he has thrown 24 passes in the last two years. Petty has never thrown a pass and, while a good QB recruit by Baylor's standards, still wasnt a top 40 overall QB recruit.

What I'm saying is that nobody was surprised that Robert Griffin turned out to be a good QB. If anybody on their current roster even makes a blip on the national radar it would qualify as at least somewhat of a surprise. To say they'll be fine because "Briles has had success with QBs in the past" is putting an undue amount of faith in him IMO. Let's also keep in mind that Case Keenum succeed in CUSA, has be dogged by scouts for years and is expected to be picked pretty low in the draft. He is unlikely to succeed past the mid-major level.

I'm not talking about what these kids will do in the draft or in the NFL on the college level Keenum has excelled it may not translate into the NFL who care, Briles job it to help Baylor win.

He has put in good systems that fit the QB he has put in place. Of course losing RGIII is going to be a hit but I think Baylor can still be a fairly competitive team.

I'm not predicting Baylor to win the Big 12, Do I think they can put together a competitive program yes I do and I think Briles is a good man to help them do that.

[Aikbach]

I'm not talking about what these kids will do in the draft or in the NFL on the college level Keenum has excelled it may not translate into the NFL who care, Briles job it to help Baylor win.

He has put in good systems that fit the QB he has put in place. Of course losing RGIII is going to be a hit but I think Baylor can still be a fairly competitive team.

I'm not predicting Baylor to win the Big 12, Do I think they can put together a competitive program yes I do and I think Briles is a good man to help them do that.
System is key, and Briles reputation and favorable standing with Texas high schools has served him well.

Allows him to grab RGIII's here and there, and success begets success in college football as in many things, recruitment is always aided by good results.

If an RGIII would play for Briles at 4-8 then an RGIII type will certainly play for Briles at 10-3 and ranked top 15.

[Doomsday101]

System is key, and Briles reputation and favorable standing with Texas high schools has served him well.

Allows him to grab RGIII's here and there, and success begets success in college football as in many things, recruitment is always aided by good results.

If an RGIII would play for Briles at 4-8 then an RGIII type will certainly play for Briles at 10-3 and ranked top 15.

I see Briles much as I do June Jones, they put their system in place and they help make perennial losers competitive. In the end if Baylor is willing to back and support Briles and the football program it has a chance to become something Baylor fans can take pride in as opposed to being an easy mark on other teams schedules

[Aikbach]

I see Briles much as I do June Jones, they put their system in place and they help make perennial losers competitive. In the end if Baylor is willing to back and support Briles and the football program it has a chance to become something Baylor fans can take pride in as opposed to being an easy mark on other teams schedules
I agree, he's likable like Jones but he's a lot more tenacious behind the scenes like a Gary Patterson and little more disciplined and certainly more humble than Mike Leach, who's coaching tree he springs from.

[Doomsday101]

I agree, he's likable like Jones but he's a lot more tenacious behind the scenes like a Gary Patterson and little more disciplined and certainly more humble than Mike Leach, who's coaching tree he springs from.

I do think he will always face the uphill battle at Baylor, it is hard recruiting vs Texas and OU. However the more you win the more TV exposure you get the easier it is to attract kids to your school.

[Aikbach]

I do think he will always face the uphill battle at Baylor, it is hard recruiting vs Texas and OU. However the more you win the more TV exposure you get the easier it is to attract kids to your school. A private school isn't going to be a national title contender every year, but they can be top 20 every year and occasionally crack the top ten and five.

[Doomsday101]

A private school isn't going to be a national title contender every year, but they can be top 20 every year and occasionally crack the top ten and five.

Top 20 every year would be a lot to ask but I do think the school can build a fairly successful program and have years where they contend in the top 10.

It comes back to the school support of the program and of course hiring good people.

[The30YardSlant]

A private school isn't going to be a national title contender every year, but they can be top 20 every year and occasionally crack the top ten and five.

A private school can definitely compete every year. Three of the all-time top 10 programs in college football are private institutions.

Very few of Baylor's football troubles were the result of them being private. Location, fanbase, facilities, resources and team success all played far bigger roles. Baylor was severely lacking in all areas ever since late in the Teff era.

[Aikbach]

Baylor beats Kansas finally after being pummeled by them twice in the regular season and advances to the Big 12 Championship in men's basketball, quickly someone find a way to demean that, certain people surely want to.;)

[The30YardSlant]

Odd game. Kansas was 2-13 from three, their worst percentage in a Big XII tournament game in 10 years. Baylor, who if I'm not mistaken is a below average FT shooting team, hit almost 90% of their FTs.

Perry Jones is a beast, and I hate that lanky arse white center Withers for KU. He gets away with more body contact than just about any player I've ever seen and he's a nobody once he's done at Kansas.

[Cythim]

Odd game. Kansas was 2-13 from three, their worst percentage in a Big XII tournament game in 10 years. Baylor, who if I'm not mistaken is a below average FT shooting team, hit almost 90% of their FTs.

Perry Jones is a beast, and I hate that lanky arse white center Withers for KU. He gets away with more body contact than just about any player I've ever seen and he's a nobody once he's done at Kansas.

Kansas was distracted by the new uniforms Baylor wore. :laugh2:

[Aikbach]

Baylor is also pumping 200 million plus into a waterfront on campus stadium, complete with marina and a walkway across the Brazos from the law school, the main campus walking distance away.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150699789704497.412413.87236249496&type=3

[numnuts23]

Baylor is also pumping 200 million plus into a waterfront on campus stadium, complete with marina and a walkway across the Brazos from the law school, the main campus walking distance away.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150699789704497.412413.87236249496&type=3

YES, a marina on the Brazos - how lovely :D

[Aikbach]

YES, a marina on the Brazos - how lovely :D
It's really not bad, it coincides with a city initiative to spur on a river walk project.

Plus you'll have the nicest baseball ball park in the Big 12, one of the nicest football stadiums and the law school all up on the river, where riverboats paddle past toward the rolling hills of Cameron Park, it's actually rather charming setting.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1sock/3602619072/

http://www.travelgolf.com/cgi-bin/common_cgi/xphoto.php?a=pv&p=33702

http://www2.baylor.edu/baylorproud/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/lawschool-aug11.jpg


http://a1.ec-images.*******cdn.com/images01/70/d3eb4b0b5dfaf48ee36c2b96c6ac3724/l.jpg

Looks like some of the links, fractured, well pooh. All the same it isn't a bad aesthetic.

[Aikbach]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/540475_2020632693015_1759866219_1035723_1567405177 _n.jpg

And this was funny.:D

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/529999_10150746496019468_600674467_11339647_486727 678_n.jpg

[Aikbach]

Good article about Florence replacing Griffin, the comments at the bottom of the page are amusingly revelatory of a typical butt hurt fan base of a certain breed trying to deny Baylor's success without solicitation, lest you think that was unique to the Sports Zone.
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/47614/patience-pays-off-for-bus-selfless-florence

[SkinsandTerps]

Good article about Florence replacing Griffin, the comments at the bottom of the page are amusingly revelatory of a typical butt hurt fan base of a certain breed trying to deny Baylor's success without solicitation, lest you think that was unique to the Sports Zone.
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/47614/patience-pays-off-for-bus-selfless-florence

:bang2: You are doing it again. :rolleyes:

[Cythim]

Good article about Florence replacing Griffin, the comments at the bottom of the page are amusingly revelatory of a typical butt hurt fan base of a certain breed trying to deny Baylor's success without solicitation, lest you think that was unique to the Sports Zone.
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/47614/patience-pays-off-for-bus-selfless-florence

An alumni base as large as A&M's is going to have a fair share of idiots. Using their comments to paint the entire fan base is stereotyping.

:bang2: You are doing it again. :rolleyes:

It is what he is best at, he pokes the bull and cries when he gets the horns.

[Cythim]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/540475_2020632693015_1759866219_1035723_1567405177 _n.jpg

And this was funny.:D


http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=205159948

4 conference titles for TAMU and 1 for Baylor, all of those wins really don't amount to much. I guess you still have the WBB title to play for, but you are a year late on that. :lmao:

[The30YardSlant]

Good article about Florence replacing Griffin, the comments at the bottom of the page are amusingly revelatory of a typical butt hurt fan base of a certain breed trying to deny Baylor's success without solicitation, lest you think that was unique to the Sports Zone.
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/47614/patience-pays-off-for-bus-selfless-florence

There are several hundred thousand living A&M alumni and you're surprised that there are characters of every kind in that group? This is assuming of course that every post made there is made by a real Aggie and not someone with an axe to grind making an account and trolling.

[Aikbach]

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=205159948

4 conference titles for TAMU and 1 for Baylor, all of those wins really don't amount to much. I guess you still have the WBB title to play for, but you are a year late on that. :lmao:
Hmm, i think you have proven the point you are in the category of idiotic alumni, thanks for spreading the reputation.
You guys aren't ranked in any of the televised sports, so sorry. And I'm glad you live in the past, it's where you have to stay in light of the present and bleak future...if Baylor wins tonight it's their second national championship in 6 years so i guess you're the one that was late to it by your stupid standard.

Great reading comprehension too.

[Aikbach]

An alumni base as large as A&M's is going to have a fair share of idiots. Using their comments to paint the entire fan base is stereotyping.



It is what he is best at, he pokes the bull and cries when he gets the horns.
Um no without fail you came to troll, and since you proved the point, hey what can one say.

Nothing inaccurate was said, just pointed out, and then reinforced by your antics.

[Aikbach]

There are several hundred thousand living A&M alumni and you're surprised that there are characters of every kind in that group? This is assuming of course that every post made there is made by a real Aggie and not someone with an axe to grind making an account and trolling.Funny there aren't any Sooner or UT fans on there acting that way nor do they behave that way here, the commonality seems to be A&M.

[Cythim]

Hmm, i think you have proven the point you are in the category of idiotic alumni, thanks for spreading the reputation.
You guys aren't ranked in any of the televised sports, so sorry. And I'm glad you live in the past, it's where you have to stay in light of the present and bleak future...if Baylor wins tonight it's their second national championship in 6 years so i guess you're the one that was late to it by your stupid standard.

Great reading comprehension too.

So is it your athletic program that is "Texas Sized" or only those sports you can beat A&M in? Which is only two so far, men's and women's basketball. Wait which ones are considered televised sports, those that are on television? I see baseball and softball on television all the time, and A&M is ranked in both. Women's basketball? Ranked. If living in the past includes watching your teams win 8 national champions in 3 years and being ranked in almost all sports then I will gladly continue to do so.

How is this for living in the past, A&M swept Baylor in football, soccer, volleyball, men's and women's cross country, and men's and women's indoor T&F in the 2011/12 season. Baylor won twice in men's and women's basketball and took two regular season equestrian matches while losing to A&M in the conference championships. A&M is one up in men's tennis and softball while Baylor is ranked higher in women's golf and tennis. A&M is ranked higher in baseball and men's golf. A&M has four conference titles this season and has a good chance of winning more.

So, which sports do you want to eliminate? It looks like you will have to tone it down to being the best basketball school in Texas. :rolleyes:

[Aikbach]

So is it your athletic program that is "Texas Sized" or only those sports you can beat A&M in? Which is only two so far, men's and women's basketball. Wait which ones are considered televised sports, those that are on television? I see baseball and softball on television all the time, and A&M is ranked in both. Women's basketball? Ranked. If living in the past includes watching your teams win 8 national champions in 3 years and being ranked in almost all sports then I will gladly continue to do so.

How is this for living in the past, A&M swept Baylor in football, soccer, volleyball, men's and women's cross country, and men's and women's indoor T&F in the 2011/12 season. Baylor won twice in men's and women's basketball and took two regular season equestrian matches while losing to A&M in the conference championships. A&M is one up in men's tennis and softball while Baylor is ranked higher in women's golf and tennis. A&M is ranked higher in baseball and men's golf. A&M has four conference titles this season and has a good chance of winning more.

So, which sports do you want to eliminate? It looks like you will have to tone it down to being the best basketball school in Texas. :rolleyes:Your IQ must match your shoe size, truly, you've come here to troll. An ironic position for a maligned school such as yourself, you try to belittle all the good press and good will others have for Baylor for no apparent reason other than you're asinine, it was pointed out this appears to be an aggie trend, thus it was noted your behavior matches trolls on ESPN of the aggies persuasion and then you solidify the reputation.

Congratulations, you're a troll and you proved it.

This thread was nothing about A&M beyond mention of your classless fan base, and you've represented them well.

Sore losers, pompous and unremarkable and jealous of anyone else's success, and apparently unable to read the English language.

[cowboyeric8]

Does anyone give two ****s about Baylor?

[Cythim]

Your IQ must match your shoe size, truly, you've come here to troll. An ironic position for a maligned school such as yourself, you try to belittle all the good press and good will others have for Baylor for no apparent reason other than you're asinine, it was pointed out this appears to be an aggie trend, thus it was noted your behavior matches trolls on ESPN of the aggies persuasion and then you solidify the reputation.

Congratulations, you're a troll and you proved it.

This thread was nothing about A&M beyond mention of your classless fan base, and you've represented them well.

Sore losers, pompous and unremarkable and jealous of anyone else's success, and apparently unable to read the English language.

:lmao:

And the claws come out! I am surprised you haven't told me to leave your thread alone yet.

Who is the troll, the person who is talking sports or the person who is constantly attacking a fan base?

[Aikbach]

:lmao:

And the claws come out! I am surprised you haven't told me to leave your thread alone yet.

Who is the troll, the person who is talking sports or the person who is constantly attacking a fan base?
Yawn, look you're a juvenile troll, we get it, Baylor success is under your skin, we get it. For some reason your entire fanbase is riddled with similarly insecure people, don't know why but it's rather pathetic.

Um, you're the fanbase on the attack, it's just been pointed out, and you solidify the childish reputation, i don't know how many Baylor girls must've snubbed you over the years or denied you a job but you need to get over it.

You're a child once more being told to leave the conversation to the adults, and as readily evidenced you apparently are taught to be childish at your alma mater, it's a a shame but that's an internal insecurity you project outwards.

Now please got get a life, and quit acting like an idiot.

[Aikbach]

Does anyone give two ****s about Baylor?Apparently the aggies do...and some equally juvenile poster named cowboyeric8 who always posts on their threads.

[Aikbach]

Well congrats to the girls for their national title, men made it to elite 8 losing to the eventual champion Kentucky.

Good basketball season comes to conclusion, and both team will return the highest rated recruiting classes to next season.

[Cythim]

Yawn, look you're a juvenile troll, we get it, Baylor success is under your skin, we get it. For some reason your entire fanbase is riddled with similarly insecure people, don't know why but it's rather pathetic.

Um, you're the fanbase on the attack, it's just been pointed out, and you solidify the childish reputation, i don't know how many Baylor girls must've snubbed you over the years or denied you a job but you need to get over it.

You're a child once more being told to leave the conversation to the adults, and as readily evidenced you apparently are taught to be childish at your alma mater, it's a a shame but that's an internal insecurity you project outwards.

Now please got get a life, and quit acting like an idiot.

I'm the one acting like an idiot here? This is a discussion forum, and the topic you posted for discussion is Baylor's athletic program. If you don't want to hear opinion on it from people who do not think it is great then do yourself a favor and take it to another forum. My "attack" has been directed at the quality of Baylor's athletic program, and specifically how it compares to the team I follow. Baylor isn't under anyone's skin, I have this discussion with my Tech, Washington, and Oregon friends as well. While I consider you more an acquaintance than a friend, I would enjoy this conversation if you were actually interested in having it.

In the mean time you have done nothing to actually have a discussion on the topic at hand. You have been going on tirades against anyone who does not have a glowing review of Baylor. Your attacks have been directed at other posters and you are the only one who has been exhibiting childish behavior. Seriously, Baylor girls snubbed me? That comment is the essence of childishness. You really should take your own advice. I am here for the discussion.

[Aikbach]

I'm the one acting like an idiot here? This is a discussion forum, and the topic you posted for discussion is Baylor's athletic program. If you don't want to hear opinion on it from people who do not think it is great then do yourself a favor and take it to another forum. My "attack" has been directed at the quality of Baylor's athletic program, and specifically how it compares to the team I follow. Baylor isn't under anyone's skin, I have this discussion with my Tech, Washington, and Oregon friends as well. While I consider you more an acquaintance than a friend, I would enjoy this conversation if you were actually interested in having it.

In the mean time you have done nothing to actually have a discussion on the topic at hand. You have been going on tirades against anyone who does not have a glowing review of Baylor. Your attacks have been directed at other posters and you are the only one who has been exhibiting childish behavior. Seriously, Baylor girls snubbed me? That comment is the essence of childishness. You really should take your own advice. I am here for the discussion.
Dude, I'm not even reading your posts, you're a childish troll get over it. You've been called out and are wasting breath, A&M is of no concern to this thread beyond your bratty fanbase's reputation you continue to solidify.

Piss off and get a life, the fact you're on line arguing needlessly is evidence of the need for one.

[Kangaroo]

It is alright Sam Houston State has owned Baylor the last few years in mens Lacrosse :D That is all that matters on my end

[Aikbach]

It is alright Sam Houston State has owned Baylor the last few years in mens Lacrosse :D That is all that matters on my endSounds good, that's club sport though isn't it? Good to see Sam Houston compete, it's tough with their limited resources to go against AQ scheduled competitors.

[cowboyeric8]

Apparently the aggies do...and some equally juvenile poster named cowboyeric8 who always posts on their threads.

I find it funny that you act like you don't care about A&M but always attack them.

Congrats to the girls team. Even if very few people watched.

[cowboyeric8]

It is alright Sam Houston State has owned Baylor the last few years in mens Lacrosse :D That is all that matters on my end

Haha nice. Are you currently at Sam? I'm there for grad school right now.

[Aikbach]

I find it funny that you act like you don't care about A&M but always attack them.

Congrats to the girls team. Even if very few people watched.I'm indifferent to them apart from their trolling, something no other school does on their scale.

[The30YardSlant]

Funny there aren't any Sooner or UT fans on there acting that way nor do they behave that way here, the commonality seems to be A&M.

There are like two people trolling that article's comments section. Your sweeping generalizations are beyond absurd.

[The30YardSlant]

I've seen several of my Baylor friends on Facebook post about how the Notre Dame coach called Griner a man in the postgame press conference. I can't fathom a D-1 coach would have so little tact but if true I expect media hilarity to insue over the next few days.

On that note, I'll be curious to see if Griner chooses to go and compete in the Olympics this Summer. There have always been rumors around her genetic makeup and the Olympic committee takes genetic testing very seriously, much moreso than the NCAA which only requires a standard physical. I'm not saying she's a guy, but I'd be pretty surprised if she is a genetically "normal" female given her remarkably unusual height, muscle tone and general lack of feminine features. If she doesnt go, it's going to raise a lot of eyebrows.

[Aikbach]

There are like two people trolling that article's comments section. Your sweeping generalizations are beyond absurd.
Check your own assertions at the door, you've matched their trolling in this thread at times.

[The30YardSlant]

Check your own assertions at the door, you've matched their trolling in this thread at times.

THIS is what constitutes trolling these days?

Baylor caught lightening in a bottle with Griffin and Scott Drew who is either the best recruiter this side of Nick Saban or is flat out cheating. Their WBB team has been good to great for a while but honestly, who really cares? WBB operates in the red at every school but Tennessee and UCONN and routinely draws ESPN's lowest ratings.

[trickblue]

It is alright Sam Houston State has owned Baylor the last few years in mens Lacrosse :D That is all that matters on my end

http://sfayct.org/wp-content/themes/sfayct/axe.png

[cowboyeric8]

http://sfayct.org/wp-content/themes/sfayct/axe.png

Eat 'em up Kats!

[Aikbach]

THIS is what constitutes trolling these days?You have a trillion other posts and same song and dance, don't play innocent just quit trolling.

You've accused people of being cheaters, taken cheap shots at a player's femininity, behaved sexist, belittled success of the programs, tried to minimize their accomplishments as a one man team, belittled their players...you seem to be so stuck in troll mode you don't even recognize one.

And you and your aggie compadre are unmatched in the unprovoked practice, when it's brought to your attention you get indignant, rinse and repeat.

[Aikbach]

NCAA President Emmert called the team the best he's ever seen in the women's game. With no seniors Baylor is favored to repeat for the women's and the men are favored to field the best returning starting lineup in the game next year as well.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/brennan/story/2012-04-03/baylor-notre-dame/53985802/1?csp=34sports&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomSports-TopStories+%28Sports+-+Top+Stories%29

[Aikbach]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/540475_2020632693015_1759866219_1035723_1567405177 _n.jpg

And this was funny.:D

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/529999_10150746496019468_600674467_11339647_486727 678_n.jpg
Football (10), MBB (30), WBB (40).....for a combined 80 wins for the season. I believe Baylor just tweeted that's the most of any school in division 1 history. Simply incredible.

[The30YardSlant]

You have a trillion other posts and same song and dance, don't play innocent just quit trolling.

You've accused people of being cheaters, taken cheap shots at a player's femininity, behaved sexist, belittled success of the programs, tried to minimize their accomplishments as a one man team, belittled their players...you seem to be so stuck in troll mode you don't even recognize one.

And you and your aggie compadre are unmatched in the unprovoked practice, when it's brought to your attention you get indignant, rinse and repeat.

I didnt accuse anyone of cheating, I said he's either a great recruiter or cheating. Is that not a true statement?

Every single person who has seen Britney Griner has questioned her...situation, either publically or in their own mind. There isnt a Baylor fan alive who hasnt wondered the exact same thing, and not a one who wouldnt be tearing into her if she played for anyone else. To deny that there is not valid suspicion about her on a genetic level is to deny even the most basic of observational skills of others. I have enough sense to know she isnt hiding a pair of boys down there, but I also know enough to bet just about anything that there is either SOMETHING abnormal in her DNA or she has been taking artificial testoserone since her growth spurt in 9th grade. If that is the case, it DOES present an unfair advantage and is worth discussing.

Most of the posters here and reporters on the national level have acknowledged that without Griffin Baylor would have been just another 5-7, 6-6 team this year. Until Florence proves he can be a competant replacement, there is no reason to believe Baylor won't seriously regress next season. Baylor's defense is bad, and they need an elite offense to win games.

Again, I don't what I'm doing that constitutes "trolling". I'm not sitting here calling Baylor names or mocking the school, I'm simply making athletic observations and posting my thoughts. I don't know what I'm doing to "provoke" you other than questioning your opinions.

[casmith07]

Wait people watch women's college basketball?

jk!

[MC KAos]

Wait people watch women's college basketball?

jk!

havent the women's finals been better the last 2 years than the mens? i know i enjoyed the womens final a lot more than the mens, personally!

[SkinsandTerps]

havent the women's finals been better the last 2 years than the mens? i know i enjoyed the womens final a lot more than the mens, personally!

Hand over your man card sir.

Problem with the women's game is that it is rare that anyone outside of the top 8 make it to the final four. The women do play typically more fundemental ball, and often better defense. But offensively and in transition it is extremely boring for most of the games. Even the game last night had no drama from what my sister tells me. Baylor ran away with it basically from what she says.

[Aikbach]

Jim Rome does drastic about face on opinion of Baylor, asserts they "run the Big 12".
http://www.jimrome.com/take/the-center-of-the-sports-world/30612

[The30YardSlant]

I think it's pretty clear that Texas, and more specifically Deloss Dodds, owns the Big XII.

[cowboyeric8]

I think it's pretty clear that Texas, and more specifically Deloss Dodds, owns the Big XII.

This x100. The amount of money they have is ridiculous and will make them the best for years to come.

[Rogah]

On that note, I'll be curious to see if Griner chooses to go and compete in the Olympics this Summer. There have always been rumors around her genetic makeup and the Olympic committee takes genetic testing very seriously, much moreso than the NCAA which only requires a standard physical. I'm not saying she's a guy, but I'd be pretty surprised if she is a genetically "normal" female given her remarkably unusual height, muscle tone and general lack of feminine features. If she doesnt go, it's going to raise a lot of eyebrows.As crazy as this sounds, it can actually become a very complicated issue - far more complicated that just looking at the athlete's private parts.

A couple years ago, a South African female runner had her gender in question because she looked and sounded quite masculine. They gave her a "gender test" which takes weeks to complete. I'm not going to go into any details, but it is possible for one human being to have sex organs from both genders and, as such, it is also possible for a woman to produce the amount of testosterone you would normally only see from a man. Apparently she "passed" her test and was ruled a female.

Do a google search on "Caster Semenya" if you want to read some details.

[Cythim]

As crazy as this sounds, it can actually become a very complicated issue - far more complicated that just looking at the athlete's private parts.

A couple years ago, a South African female runner had her gender in question because she looked and sounded quite masculine. They gave her a "gender test" which takes weeks to complete. I'm not going to go into any details, but it is possible for one human being to have sex organs from both genders and, as such, it is also possible for a woman to produce the amount of testosterone you would normally only see from a man. Apparently she "passed" her test and was ruled a female.

Do a google search on "Caster Semenya" if you want to read some details.

I assume with Griner the only thing that will happen is a drug test, assuming she competes at a level with mandatory testing. Assuming she is innocent, I really feel bad for her having to deal with all this speculation and negativity concerning her gender. We need to let the system in place do it's job in outing dopers instead of going on a witch hunt because someone looks different.

[jimmy40]

there's been lots of really tall girls playing basketball and no one had a problem till Griner came along and is actually athletic. Hell, I think Stanford had 7 girls 6'3'' or taller. This questioning Griner crap is people jealous of her success and idiots being idiots.

[Rogah]

there's been lots of really tall girls playing basketball and no one had a problem till Griner came along and is actually athletic. Hell, I think Stanford had 7 girls 6'3'' or taller. This questioning Griner crap is people jealous of her success and idiots being idiots.Look I don't give two turds about women's basketball, but Griner's resemblence to a man goes a bit beyond her height. I would not be surprised if she tested with the same genetic makeup as Semenya allegedly did which, as far as the rules are concerned, makes her a female, end of story.

[jimmy40]

Look I don't give two turds about women's basketball, but Griner's resemblence to a man goes a bit beyond her height. I would not be surprised if she tested with the same genetic makeup as Semenya allegedly did which, as far as the rules are concerned, makes her a female, end of story.yeah, exactly the same.:lmao2:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01467/caster-Semenya2_1467568c.jpg
http://feminema.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/dal_100403_griner_adayinthelife_feature.jpg

[Rogah]

yeah, exactly the same.:lmao2: I never said they were "exactly the same" did I? For some reason hearing this gets a bee in your bonnet, but unless someone is blind, deaf, and dumb, they would have to admit that Griner clearly has some masculine traits about her. And, as much as you hate to hear this, those masculine traits go far beyond simply her height.

I'm not saying she should be excluded from women's competition. I'm just agreeing with the statement that if she were given a gender test, we'd probably find some masculinity in there.

Why that upsets you so much, I have no idea.

[The30YardSlant]

As crazy as this sounds, it can actually become a very complicated issue - far more complicated that just looking at the athlete's private parts.

A couple years ago, a South African female runner had her gender in question because she looked and sounded quite masculine. They gave her a "gender test" which takes weeks to complete. I'm not going to go into any details, but it is possible for one human being to have sex organs from both genders and, as such, it is also possible for a woman to produce the amount of testosterone you would normally only see from a man. Apparently she "passed" her test and was ruled a female.

Do a google search on "Caster Semenya" if you want to read some details.

I don't think she's a hermaphrodite, more than likely she has high testosterone levels caused by a partial Y chromosome. It's somewhat common among people of African descent and while it doesnt render you genetically male like full-blown Klinefelter's (XXY) does, it does present women with very masculine symptoms.

[The30YardSlant]

there's been lots of really tall girls playing basketball and no one had a problem till Griner came along and is actually athletic. Hell, I think Stanford had 7 girls 6'3'' or taller. This questioning Griner crap is people jealous of her success and idiots being idiots.

Her height isnt the biggest issue. Most women do not have a noticeable Adam's apple as it is much smaller in women than men but Griner's is very obvious. She has a BMI far different from other female players and muscle tone that is nowhere near normal for female basketball players. Her forehead, checkbones and jaw are all incredibly masculine in appearence.

[Rogah]

I don't think she's a hermaphrodite, more than likely she has high testosterone levels caused by a partial Y chromosome. It's somewhat common among people of African descent and while it doesnt render you genetically male like full-blown Klinefelter's (XXY) does, it does present women with very masculine symptoms.That sounds entirely plausible.

[Aikbach]

Across the board good season continues as Baylor Baseball rides the nation's longest winning streak and surges to #8 and #5 in the rankings, depending on the poll.
http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/041012aaa.html

[daboyzruleperiod]

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/27/sports/ncaabasketball/baylor-has-built-a-texas-size-athletic-program.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

Those girls were unbelievable, WOW. Forty straight wins etc....when are they going to the White House and Disney Land?!:p:

[Aikbach]

Now that the silly texting "scandal" is blown over, Baylor immediately has signed another highly coveted recruit to an already deep arsenal of talent on the men's team.
http://www.statesman.com/news/texas/baylor-adds-gathers-to-signing-class-2308676.html

[Aikbach]

Baylor Baseball leaps to #3 in collegiate poll.
http://www.baseballnews.com/polls/divI/currentpolldivI.htm

[Aikbach]

Baylor Baseball destroys Texas A&M Corpus 15-2, wins 20th game in a row.
http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/041712aac.html

[The30YardSlant]

As I expected, Griner will not participate in the Olympics...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/baylor-star-brittney-griner-wont-play-for-us-team-at-london-olympics-cites-family-school/2012/04/19/gIQA4lerTT_story.html


Pretty much confirms everyone's suspicions, especially given how early she made this announcement. "She" never even considered it.

[Aikbach]

As I expected, Griner will not participate in the Olympics...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/baylor-star-brittney-griner-wont-play-for-us-team-at-london-olympics-cites-family-school/2012/04/19/gIQA4lerTT_story.html


Pretty much confirms everyone's suspicions, especially given how early she made this announcement. "She" never even considered it.

Yeah every butt hurt aggies suspicions, in other news your *** was just handed you in collie station by Baylor Baseball who now enjoy the longest winning streak in the nation, which is really what this thread is about, Baylor's all around rise as an athletic power, one you butt hurt *****s in collie town can't stand having to look up despite your condescension

[The30YardSlant]

Yeah every butt hurt aggies suspicions, in other news your *** was just handed you in collie station by Baylor Baseball who now enjoy the longest winning streak in the nation, which is really what this thread is about, Baylor's all around rise as an athletic power, one you butt hurt *****s in collie town can't stand having to look up despite your condescension

I don't pay much attention to college baseball, but congrats. That is an impressive winning streak.

Griner is still a dude, though.

[cowboyeric8]

Yeah every butt hurt aggies suspicions, in other news your *** was just handed you in collie station by Baylor Baseball who now enjoy the longest winning streak in the nation, which is really what this thread is about, Baylor's all around rise as an athletic power, one you butt hurt *****s in collie town can't stand having to look up despite your condescension

So tell me who started throwing flames this time? My word man, not sure what the Aggies did to you but get a grip. And it's clear the board doesn't give a damn about Baylor hence why you seem to be the only one submitting anything in this thread. If it wasn't for a few college fans you would be talking to yourself in this thread.

Congrats to Baylor they have clearly turned their athletic program around. Good for them. I'm pulling for them. I'm glad you are proud but stop attacking others.

[Aikbach]

So tell me who started throwing flames this time? My word man, not sure what the Aggies did to you but get a grip. And it's clear the board doesn't give a damn about Baylor hence why you seem to be the only one submitting anything in this thread. If it wasn't for a few college fans you would be talking to yourself in this thread.

Congrats to Baylor they have clearly turned their athletic program around. Good for them. I'm pulling for them. I'm glad you are proud but stop attacking others.You really do lack reading comprehension if you're too blind to discern the idiocy of the rebuked poster peddling the same crap he always does, demeaning the humanity of a national champion player, spare me you pretentious feigning of objectivity, either you share his prejudices or don't read before you type.

[burmafrd]

wow going back to threads like this and others that have all the OU vs T or any kind of T vs T & AM garbage in it makes me wonder why I ever take anything ANY ONE of you posters say seriously.


As regards Griner. Frankly one has to wonder WHY she is not going out for the Olympic team. I have heard over the years hundreds of college and even pro basketball players male and female go on about how great being on the Olympic team is. So what is her reason?

[SkinsandTerps]

wow going back to threads like this and others that have all the OU vs T or any kind of T vs T & AM garbage in it makes me wonder why I ever take anything ANY ONE of you posters say seriously.


As regards Griner. Frankly one has to wonder WHY she is not going out for the Olympic team. I have heard over the years hundreds of college and even pro basketball players male and female go on about how great being on the Olympic team is. So what is her reason?

She is going to tryout for the Charlotte Bobcats.


























































:D

[The30YardSlant]

You really do lack reading comprehension if you're too blind to discern the idiocy of the rebuked poster peddling the same crap he always does, demeaning the humanity of a national champion player, spare me you pretentious feigning of objectivity, either you share his prejudices or don't read before you type.

Technically, I'm debating her sexuality. I do not doubt her status as a member of humanity.

[Cythim]

Yeah every butt hurt aggies suspicions, in other news your *** was just handed you in collie station by Baylor Baseball who now enjoy the longest winning streak in the nation, which is really what this thread is about, Baylor's all around rise as an athletic power, one you butt hurt *****s in collie town can't stand having to look up despite your condescension

I am going to go ahead and assume you didn't watch the game. A&M controlled the game but several mistakes by the infield on what should have been routine outs cost the Aggies most of those runs (only two of the five runs were earned). Saying anyone had their *** handed to them shows an extreme lack of knowing how the game went. Baylor hitters were great at working the pitch count a pitching was solid, but it was a hard fought game by two very good teams. Two more games in Waco this weekend, hopefully the will be on the web again.

[Cythim]

Tonight's game is live on the Baylor website, I assume tomorrow's game will be there as well.

http://www.baylorbears.com/allaccess/?media=299962

Interesting that despite Aikbach's crowing, Baylor recognizes themselves as the #6 team while A&M is ranked #2. ;)

[Aikbach]

Tonight's game is live on the Baylor website, I assume tomorrow's game will be there as well.

http://www.baylorbears.com/allaccess/?media=299962

Interesting that despite Aikbach's crowing, Baylor recognizes themselves as the #6 team while A&M is ranked #2. ;)Ha, this thread is nothing to do with A&M unless you want to talk about the fact A&M hasn't beaten Baylor at anything since October of last year.

You'll note only time A&M is mentioned is when asking what exactly you trolling parties are trolling for, it just looks like envy.

You'll notice i don't participate in A&M threads, i simply don't care until you act like fools in non A&M related threads....something you have a hard time accepting.

[Cythim]

Ha, this thread is nothing to do with A&M unless you want to talk about the fact A&M hasn't beaten Baylor at anything since October of last year.

You'll note only time A&M is mentioned is when asking what exactly you trolling parties are trolling for, it just looks like envy.

You'll notice i don't participate in A&M threads, i simply don't care until you act like fools in non A&M related threads....something you have a hard time accepting.

Do you want to talk sports or continue to run your mouth with personal insults? You keep mentioning trolling yet you are the only one who refuses to talk about the topics and start with the name calling. For the record, A&M beat Baylor twice in softball and men's and women's indoor track as well as winning the Equestrian national championship. Nothing since October? You should probably start following the athletic program before you try to tout how big it is.

Tue, Apr 10 SB Baylor * at Waco, Texas 6:30 p.m. 3 - 0 (W)
Wed, Mar 28 SB Baylor * College Station 6 - 1 (W)

[Aikbach]

Do you want to talk sports or continue to run your mouth with personal insults? You keep mentioning trolling yet you are the only one who refuses to talk about the topics and start with the name calling. For the record, A&M beat Baylor twice in softball and men's and women's indoor track as well as winning the Equestrian national championship. Nothing since October? You should probably start following the athletic program before you try to tout how big it is.

Tue, Apr 10 SB Baylor * at Waco, Texas 6:30 p.m. 3 - 0 (W)
Wed, Mar 28 SB Baylor * College Station 6 - 1 (W)You don't have any credibility seeming you lace every post with the very insults you claim assail you. I suggest you read the title of the thread, it's about Baylor sports success, not juvenile Aggie trolling.

And what a testament of a change of tune for someone who used to rag on anything outside of televised sports to suddenly appeal to equestrianism as a sign of A&M keeping up with Baylor, laughably funny stuff.

Because your track record is trolling you have exhausted the benefit of the doubt you can talk sports, and as witnessed by the reaching for straws attempt to justify your presence on the thread the case is closed.

Quit posting on a thread if all you're going to do is troll and then gripe about being picked on for it.

You'll note there are a number of A&m threads trying to bash Baylor, and some silly threads needling Aggie exploits, i started none of them and care nothing for your university nor fanbase until they do the trolling crap, but as witnessed by those threads started by non Baylor-folk making light of Aggie nonsense, it's a universal reputation you have.


Go start a baseball thread if you want to talk about how you're losing to Baylor 0-2 in a three game series, and make up excuses there, it's obvious your presence here is simply to troll.

Meanwhile adult sportsfans can revel in a good season of 23 straight wins, 25 of the last 26 games won, 17 in conference, 34-7 overall making them one of two teams in the nation with excess of 30 wins.

That's a pertinent topic for this thread.

[Aikbach]

http://www.big12sports.com/standings/Standings.dbml?SPID=13131

Baylor on top, UT only other team with double digit wins in conference.

[Cythim]

You don't have any credibility seeming you lace every post with the very insults you claim assail you. I suggest you read the title of the thread, it's about Baylor sports success, not juvenile Aggie trolling.

Are are these insults from me? If they exist it is in response to your repeated attempts to bait Aggies by calling them juvenile trolls. Simply using that phrase makes you the very essence of what you claim Aggies are doing to Baylor.

And what a testament of a change of tune for someone who used to rag on anything outside of televised sports to suddenly appeal to equestrianism as a sign of A&M keeping up with Baylor, laughably funny stuff.

I'm not changing my tune, I laughed at equestrian rankings being used in the original article because there is a very small number of schools that complete. There is no need to keep up with Baylor, we won the last two years in football and have something like 10 national titles over the last few years.

Because your track record is trolling you have exhausted the benefit of the doubt you can talk sports, and as witnessed by the reaching for straws attempt to justify your presence on the thread the case is closed.

In other words, you cannot argue with my facts so you will simply consider it trolling and refuse to take part int he conversation.

Quit posting on a thread if all you're going to do is troll and then gripe about being picked on for it.

When you stop acting like a petulant child (there's an insult for ya) while pretending to be the bigger person and accept that I am not trolling then please feel free to join me in a sports conversation.


Another hard fought game today by two strong teams. Baylor did good at getting runners on early and the A&M offense had no answer.

[The30YardSlant]

You'll notice i don't participate in A&M threads

This is a lie.

[Aikbach]

Are are these insults from me? If they exist it is in response to your repeated attempts to bait Aggies by calling them juvenile trolls. Simply using that phrase makes you the very essence of what you claim Aggies are doing to Baylor.



I'm not changing my tune, I laughed at equestrian rankings being used in the original article because there is a very small number of schools that complete. There is no need to keep up with Baylor, we won the last two years in football and have something like 10 national titles over the last few years.



In other words, you cannot argue with my facts so you will simply consider it trolling and refuse to take part int he conversation.



When you stop acting like a petulant child (there's an insult for ya) while pretending to be the bigger person and accept that I am not trolling then please feel free to join me in a sports conversation.


Another hard fought game today by two strong teams. Baylor did good at getting runners on early and the A&M offense had no answer.Actually as usual you're wrong, though it's a laughable tangent you're bragging about equestrianism, but alas it is a nuanced sport so you'd better educate yourself to the fact the "National Championship" is multiple tournaments that can be won, meaning Baylor is also a "National Champion" in equestrian sports.


http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/w-equest/12-natl-champ.html

Now for the last time piss off your trolling and go talk on an aggie thread or board, beyond A&M losing in baseball recently you have no business here.

[Aikbach]

This is a lie.Go read, you're the one that pratcices character assassination on this very page. So go away entirely, i will not be charitable toward you in any fashion any longer.

Luckily more intellectually astute minds with integrity have reading comprehension to shift through your asinine assertions and accusation ridden threads you make, you're tawdry trash projecting on others for reasons unknown.

[Cythim]

Actually as usual you're wrong, though it's a laughable tangent you're bragging about equestrianism, but alas it is a nuanced sport so you'd better educate yourself to the fact the "National Championship" is multiple tournaments that can be won, meaning Baylor is also a "National Champion" in equestrian sports.


http://www.baylorbears.com/sports/w-equest/12-natl-champ.html

Now for the last time piss off your trolling and go talk on an aggie thread or board, beyond A&M losing in baseball recently you have no business here.

As usual I am wrong about what? Equestrian has two disciplines and an overall title, Baylor won the Hunter Seat, A&M won the Western and the overall title. What Baylor did is akin to winning the 4x100 in track while A&M is the "National Champion Overall Team." You really thought I wouldn't know about this? A&M has won the Western bracket in 8 of the last 10 years but have fallen short of the overall team title because their Hunter Seat team was not as strong. It isn't a sport I watch or know terribly much about as horses do not interest me, but I have taken the time to follow the results of the team just like I follow the results of all Aggie teams.

[The30YardSlant]

Go read, you're the one that pratcices character assassination on this very page. So go away entirely, i will not be charitable toward you in any fashion any longer.

Luckily more intellectually astute minds with integrity have reading comprehension to shift through your asinine assertions and accusation ridden threads you make, you're tawdry trash projecting on others for reasons unknown.

You assassinate your own character by lying on a consistent basis, as you did again here. I didn't want to publically humiliate you which is why I only made the statement and didnt offer the damning evidence, but you just don't know when to quit.

Just some of the A&M threads that you "didn't participate in"...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217567

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220618

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224589

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224707

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224815

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220376

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226962

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229944

Here's a thread you STARTED about A&M...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224838

And another...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226818

In fact, there have been only two threads about A&M here in the last year that you HAVENT posted in. Prior to this thread, you had made more posts in the last year on threads about A&M than those about Baylor. This isnt even counting the numerous snide remarks made about A&M in completely unrelated threads.

i simply don't care until you act like fools in non A&M related threads

Indeed, you care so little that you have made 116 posts in threads devoted to A&M in the last year, two of which you started yourself. You have made more posts on A&M threads than either I or Cythim has.

I don't have a problem with differing opinions, but you're just hateful and worse, you're a liar. You lie CONSTANTLY on this board. In addition, you hold others to a different standard than yourself. You have no problem making personal insults toward A&M players, Loftin, etc. and then whine when I question a Baylor athlete or Ken Starr. You call A&M "f aggies" and then get up in arms when someone so much as speaks of Baylor in anything other than glowing terms. You are just a bitter, hateful human being.

[Cythim]

Go read, you're the one that pratcices character assassination on this very page. So go away entirely, i will not be charitable toward you in any fashion any longer.

Luckily more intellectually astute minds with integrity have reading comprehension to shift through your asinine assertions and accusation ridden threads you make, you're tawdry trash projecting on others for reasons unknown.

Agreed concerning his attacks on Griner. If I was her (and assuming she is innocent of any wrongdoing) I would be scared to play in the Olympics. Imagine being an early 20s girl and having all of these people make claims that you are not a woman. It would be devastating to take that test and wait for the results, hoping they tell you everything is normal but scared they might turn you into a circus sideshow. If she has done anything wrong it will get sorted out in the wash. If she has a medical condition or genetic abnormality that makes her a better athlete than most other females then that is to her benefit.

I really hope she proves everyone wrong, but I doubt she wants to because of what she might learn.

[Aikbach]

You assassinate your own character by lying on a consistent basis, as you did again here. I didn't want to publically humiliate you which is why I only made the statement and didnt offer the damning evidence, but you just don't know when to quit.

Just some of the A&M threads that Aikbach "didn't participate in"...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217567

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220618

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224589

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224707

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224815

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220376

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226962

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229944

Here's a thread you STARTED about A&M...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224838

And another...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226818

In fact, there have been only two threads about A&M here in the last year that he HASNT posted in. Prior to this thread, you had made more posts in the last year on threads about A&M than those about Baylor. This isnt even counting the numerous snide remarks made about A&M in completely unrelated threads.



Indeed, you care so little that you have made 116 posts in threads devoted to A&M in the last year, two of which you started yourself. You have ade more posts on A&M threads than either I or Cythim has.Thanks for proving you're here to troll and lack reading comprehension. Note you also start every confrontation, you receive rebuke given to you because you troll. I love how you have to dig back to last year to find anything, and nothing i did was ever slanderous, just uncomfortable truth to confront your own asinine assertions.

Same tired song and dance from your jealous fanbase you represent so well.

Leave this thread or be reported for trolling, the grace period is over, you are literally one big walking butt hurt aggie joke.

[Aikbach]

Agreed concerning his attacks on Griner. If I was her (and assuming she is innocent of any wrongdoing) I would be scared to play in the Olympics. Imagine being an early 20s girl and having all of these people make claims that you are not a woman. It would be devastating to take that test and wait for the results, hoping they tell you everything is normal but scared they might turn you into a circus sideshow. If she has done anything wrong it will get sorted out in the wash. If she has a medical condition or genetic abnormality that makes her a better athlete than most other females then that is to her benefit.

I really hope she proves everyone wrong, but I doubt she wants to because of what she might learn.
I've told you repeatedly you're not welcome here, it's pretty easy to move on instead of double teaming with your fellow troll, go get lives. Everyone knows you guys aren't here to talk about Baylor sports so go away, plain and simple.

[The30YardSlant]

Thanks for proving you're here to troll and lack reading comprehension. Note you also start every confrontation, you receive rebuke given to you because you troll. I love how you have to dig back to last year to find anything, and nothing i did was ever slanderous, just uncomfortable truth to confront your own asinine assertions.

Same tired song and dance from your jealous fanbase you represent so well.

Leave this thread or be reported for trolling, the grace period is over, you are literally one big walking butt hurt aggie joke.

So you lied, then when called on it you create ANOTHER lie to cover it. In the eight threads I posted (not counting the two YOU started) you made a snide comment about A&M based on nothing I had posted in all but one of them.

You've called Loftin some pretty colorful names, accused A&M players of faking injuries only to find out they were actually hurt, have called A&M fans "f aggies" and dicussed our affinity for sheep, yet you still claim you never post anything hateful or slanderous. You think this stems from jealousy, which is your right to believe, but the post counts show you are far more concerned with A&M than anyone else here is.

You can't even admit your lies. This isnt about A&M or Baylor anyone, it's about you being a truly twisted human being who I pray gets help for the sake of your spouse/children/whoever is forced to interact with someone like this on a daily basis. I truly worry for your sanity.

[The30YardSlant]

Anyway, you won't be hearing from me anymore. You have earned the prestigious honor of being the first poster in nearly 8 years here that I have put on ignore. No need to respond to anything I post again, you won't get the response it is clear now that you are so eager to receive. I can tolerate a lot of things, including hatred of A&M. What I can't tolerate is a pathelogical liar who it is impossible to engaged in productive discussion with.

If you are anything like this in real life, I'm serious when I say get help. You have a vial personality. I've refrained from such wording in the past because I respect your miltary service and still thank you for it, but even that no longer can exclude you from the criticism you have so thoroughly earned.

[Cythim]

I've told you repeatedly you're not welcome here, it's pretty easy to move on instead of double teaming with your fellow troll, go get lives. Everyone knows you guys aren't here to talk about Baylor sports so go away, plain and simple.

Are we not talking about Baylor sports here? Even if it is negative we are still talking about it. People are allowed to have and express negative opinions of the topic as well as positive ones. Stop acting like a petulant child, thinking you can tell people not to say things that hurt your ego. I have supported Baylor in several of my comments but you do not want to see that, you want the Aggie fans to be mean so you can throw your tantrums and tell them to go away.


We told him to go away... and away he goes, Precious! Gone, gone, gone! Smeagol is free!