Dontari Poe

[RS12]

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Dontari Poe just ran a 4.87 unofficial at 346 pounds... that's unbelievable.

[RS12]

Ridiculous, not fair

[visionary]

been saying for a while

trade down between 20-23 and take him

[Gaede]

That's unreal.

[realtick]

Please see my "pet" player thread regarding Poe from months ago, lol.

This guy is light years a better athlete than Ta'amu.

[Oh_Canada]

Please see my "pet" player thread regarding Poe from months ago, lol.

This guy is light years a better athlete than Ta'amu.

I have never really seen this guy play-how is the motor?? If it's good...this guy could be Ngata type. That size, speed, strength ratio is elite.

[RS12]

This guy doesnt even look fat or out of shape at almost 3 and a half bills. Really well put together.

[TheCount]

This guy doesnt even look fat or out of shape at almost 3 and a half bills. Really well put together.

You mean he's not just "a fat guy" that people want at NT?

[RS12]

You mean he's not just "a fat guy" that people want at NT?

He wont be a Cowboy because they go O Line or pass rush 1st round. Martin or Chapman for NT would make us all happy IMO.

[rynochop]

He ran another sub 5. Where is this guy projected to go? Or I guess, was projected to go.

[Woods]

He ran another sub 5. Where is this guy projected to go? Or I guess, was projected to go.

The latest that I saw he was projected to go around 24th pick or so or a bit higher to end of Round 1.

[cbow44]

He also did 44 reps of 225 lbs

[TheCount]

He ran another sub 5. Where is this guy projected to go? Or I guess, was projected to go.

He was a mid first to mid 2nd, probably still in that range.

[ABQcowboyJR]

I was wondering if any of thesw NTs would work their way into the discussion at 14.

[TheCount]

I was wondering if any of thesw NTs would work their way into the discussion at 14.

I think it's incredibly unlikely they will take a NT at 14. Not with the way they talk about Ratliff every year. I mean he makes pro bowls right?

[Oh_Canada]

I have to think Poe could be used like Ngata on the outside as well.

[ABQcowboyJR]

I think it's incredibly unlikely they will take a NT at 14. Not with the way they talk about Ratliff every year. I mean he makes pro bowls right?

Yeah I think its unlikely too. But I would love it if they would take a monster NT. I just wasn't sure if any of this class was worth it. It's something to talk about now.

[TheDallasDon]

If we fix the O-Line with FA.

I would like to trade down and do something like this.

1.)Dontari Poe
2.)Jared Crick
2.)OG, C, or CB
3.)Bruce Irvin

[fanfromvirginia]

If we fix the O-Line with FA.

I would like to trade down and do something like this.

1.)Dontari Poe
2.)Jared Crick
2.)OG, C, or CB
3.)Bruce Irvin


I'm not sure trading down would work anymore with Poe, not after watching him this morning. That was truly impressive.

[jblaze2004]

been saying for a while

trade down between 20-23 and take him

idk if i would risk trading down. I might be tempted to just take him at 14 if we really want him. Trading down is not really a guarantee he will be were we dropped down to.

But man 6'4 346 , 44 bench, 29.5 inch vert at that weight:eek: , running a 4.87:eek:

were did the ravens draft ngata (sp)? if we want Poe just take him at 14 and do not get cute. Then we can kick ratliff to DE and that would be a major passrush upgrade on the d-line. Than have hatcher and lissy (who looked impressive) fight it out on the other side, but also keep rotating guys to keep them fresh.
We need a rock in the middle (idk if poe at his hight 6'4 can do it but i will give him a chance before settling him in at end (which i think he can play also in the 3-4).

[tm1119]

If we fix the O-Line with FA.

I would like to trade down and do something like this.

1.)Dontari Poe
2.)Jared Crick
2.)OG, C, or CB
3.)Bruce Irvin

Im all for the trade down, but why still draft Crick in the 2nd? If we get a NT we would then have Rat, Spears, Hatcher, and Lissemore at DE. Really no room for a rookie that high. Make it....

1)Poe
2)Minnifield/Boykin
2)Irvin
3)Silatolu

[ABQcowboyJR]

Im all for the trade down, but why still draft Crick in the 2nd? If we get a NT we would then have Rat, Spears, Hatcher, and Lissemore at DE. Really no room for a rookie that high. Make it....

1)Poe
2)Minnifield/Boykin
2)Irvin
3)Silatolu

It's a good first thought but lets see how it all settles.

[JohnsKey19]

I figured this guy would shoot up the boards as the draft process develops. By the time everything is over, he will definitely be in play at 14. Not saying we will take him, but his selection in the early teens would not be considered a reach.

[fanfromvirginia]

were did the ravens draft ngata (sp)?

10th, if memory serves.

[johnnyd]

I'm not sure trading down would work anymore with Poe, not after watching him this morning. That was truly impressive.

agreed people are calling for him in the top 12 now possibly to the chiefs at 11.

[TheCount]

agreed people are calling for him in the top 12 now possibly to the chiefs at 11.

Another player rises above 14! I think there are now officially 17 players that will be drafted before the 14th pick. :laugh2:

[tm1119]

Another player rises above 14! I think there are now officially 17 players that will be drafted before the 14th pick. :laugh2:

Sorry, didn't realize you already had the top 14 players set in stone. Good for you.

[fanfromvirginia]

He was a mid first to mid 2nd, probably still in that range.

There is no way Poe drops to the 2nd round. No way.

[CCBoy]

If I were Dallas, I would be sitting at 14 and await one of the following three:

David DeCastro
Dontari Poe
Luke Kuechly


...and would walk away with one of those three.

[fanfromvirginia]

Another player rises above 14! I think there are now officially 17 players that will be drafted before the 14th pick. :laugh2:

To be fair, there could in there be any number of people with top half of the first round grades. And the fact that 19 different posters argue that 18 separate individuals will all be gone by 14 isn't the same thing as one poster arguing that 19 guys will be gone by 14. In other words, what drives me crazy is when someone argues that out of, say, 5 guys, none of them will be there at 14 (or whatever number the pick is). It's perfectly consistent for any one individual to argue that any one player will be gone by 14.

And, in the case of Poe, it's now much more plausible than it was three hours ago. He definitely had the entire Rich Eisen crew gawking and speculating. Poe is going to be one of those guys who gets a big boost from the combine, deservedly or not.

[visionary]

Im all for the trade down, but why still draft Crick in the 2nd? If we get a NT we would then have Rat, Spears, Hatcher, and Lissemore at DE. Really no room for a rookie that high. Make it....

1)Poe
2)Minnifield/Boykin
2)Irvin
3)Silatolu

how about

1) Poe
2) Osemele/Silatolu (i dont think they drop into the 3rd)
2) Hosley/Boykin
3) Irvin

[Woods]

If I were Dallas, I would be sitting at 14 and await one of the following three:

David DeCastro
Dontari Poe
Luke Kuechly


...and would walk away with one of those three.

I think for me,

DeCastro would still be my top choice.
Poe
Glenn

Hightower with a trade down.

[TheCount]

Sorry, didn't realize you already had the top 14 players set in stone. Good for you.

lol, do I? I'm the one saying there's every bit a chance Perry will last past 14, you're the one arguing he's going Top 10, but I'm the one that has players set in stone.


There is no way Poe drops to the 2nd round. No way.

I don't think he will either.

[fanfromvirginia]

I think for me,

DeCastro would still be my top choice.
Poe
Glenn

Hightower with a trade down.

That's my top three as well, in order. And Hightower with a trade down works but at least one of those guys will be there at 14. You figure there are at least seven guys who are absolute locks to go before 14 -- Luck, RGIII, Kalil, Clairborne, Blackmon, Reiff and Coples and then a bunch of other guys who could or even should go higher than 14 -- Ingram, Richardson, Upshaw, Brockers, Martin, maybe another QB, who knows. By the time some other late risers hop in there, even with a few of those guys dropping out there just are not enough spaces for all of those guys to be gone.

14th is starting to look like a very safe place to get a top notch player.

[Lodeus]

Poe looked real impressive. If we get DeCastro or Poe Ill be real happy.

[johnnyd]

Poe looked real impressive. If we get DeCastro or Poe Ill be real happy.

me 2, although i'm still holding out hope for Soliai in free agency , but even if we got him i wouldnt mind Poe because our DL needs the help and will give us a real nice rotation in the trenches.

[Hostile]

If I were Dallas, I would be sitting at 14 and await one of the following three:

David DeCastro
Dontari Poe
Luke Kuechly


...and would walk away with one of those three.

My top three plus Cordy Glenn.

[Woods]

That's my top three as well, in order. And Hightower with a trade down works but at least one of those guys will be there at 14. You figure there are at least seven guys who are absolute locks to go before 14 -- Luck, RGIII, Kalil, Clairborne, Blackmon, Reiff and Coples and then a bunch of other guys who could or even should go higher than 14 -- Ingram, Richardson, Upshaw, Brockers, Martin, maybe another QB, who knows. By the time some other late risers hop in there, even with a few of those guys dropping out there just are not enough spaces for all of those guys to be gone.

14th is starting to look like a very safe place to get a top notch player.

My top 10 as of right now would be

QBs
Luck, RGIII, and Tannehill

RB
Richardson

CBs
Claiborne

WR
Blackmon

DL
Coples
Brockers

OTs
Kalil
R Reiff

I think Ingram at LB, J Martin at OT from Stanford could also make a push.

But we should have a real shot of DeCastro, and if he's gone, either Poe or Glenn.

[cowboy_ron]

He also did 44 reps of 225 lbs
Just reading that made me tired

[Avery]

Poe is an athlete. I wouldn't blink about taking him at #14 (especially if we got Nicks).

[Aven8]

Poe will not be there in the 2nd. DT's always go fast, especially when they blow up the combine at that size.

[tm1119]

[QUOTE=TheCount;4431293]lol, do I? I'm the one saying there's every bit a chance Perry will last past 14, you're the one arguing he's going Top 10, but I'm the one that has players set in stone./QUOTE]

No, you're just the guy going into every combine saying "lol, no he wont go there." There are probably somewhere between 8-10 guys who will go somewhere in the top 14 no doubt. Which means there is plenty of room for guys to shoot up drafts boards after the combine which happens every year. Guys like Poe and Perry who blow up the combine shoot up the draft boards every year. It's not like we are talking about mediocre college players who were 3rd round picks a few days ago....

[supercowboy8]

I'm fine with drafting Poe but not at 14. GOing from Memphis to the NFL is a big step.
It's going to be alot harder to play NFL OL than what he is used to.

Late first or early 2nd is where I would take him. People are going to much on his combine numbers.

[jnday]

Poe has made some money at the combine . He has passed Brockers as the new DL flavor of the week . Dallas could draft Poe and the big kid from Washington and have the type of players to make the 3-4 work .

[numnuts23]

Ive never seen him play. With those numbers, he should have dominated in college. Was this guy a stud at Memphis? I know this sounds funny, but in just the eye test from him walking around at the combine, he seems soft. Not trying to be Mr. Scout here, but he just appears soft to me.

[supercowboy8]

Ive never seen him play. With those numbers, he should have dominated in college. Was this guy a stud at Memphis? I know this sounds funny, but in just the eye test from him walking around at the combine, he seems soft. Not trying to be Mr. Scout here, but he just appears soft to me.

He should have but he didn't. Everyone is getting lost in his size and strength but it didn't show on the field. What will he do playing vs NFL starting OL?

[Staxxxx]

The more I find out about him the more intruigued I am. The only issue I have are the reports of him taking plays off and lack of effort. Of course if he didn't we probably wouldn't have a shot at him.


http://bruce-feldman.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/view/31626208

The guy squats over 700 pounds, bench presses over 500 and power cleans over 400, all jaw dropping numbers, but he's more than just weight room powerhouse. He was also a Tennessee state champion shot putter in high school, a testament to some of that explosiveness.

As expected, Poe was impressive in the weight room in Indy, benching 225 pounds 44 times, more than anyone else at the combine. But it was when he dug his cleats in to run the 40-yard dash Monday morning when jaws really dropped. Poe was unofficially timed at an unheard-of 4.87 seconds. And this was as the fourth-heaviest defensive linemen to weigh in at the Ccmbine since 2000. Later, the league announced his official time was 4.98, which is still remarkable for such a mammoth athlete.

Some immediately wondered if Poe is just a "workout warrior"? After all, he only was named to the second-team All-Conference USA team in 2011 with 33 tackles, eight TFLs and one sack for the nation's No. 115 defense. The year before, he was just an honorable mention all-league pick.

In truth, it's tricky to try to read too much into the stats of an interior defensive lineman. Poe, as one college coach who faced him this year pointed out to me Monday, was not surrounded by much talent. You shaped your game plan around him, the coach said. Plus, different defensive scheme dictate how "productive" certain D-linemen can be.

I spoke to a veteran O-line coach who faced Poe several times during his college career. His take: "He's probably the best talent I've seen in several years. He took plays off and wasn't a great effort guy, but he is a freakish talent."

But don't all 320-plus pound D-linemen take some plays off?

"Yeah," said the coach, "but he took off more than most.

[dmq]

I spoke to a veteran O-line coach who faced Poe several times during his college career. His take: "He's probably the best talent I've seen in several years. He took plays off and wasn't a great effort guy, but he is a freakish talent."

But don't all 320-plus pound D-linemen take some plays off?

"Yeah," said the coach, "but he took off more than most.

Big time red flag.

[InmanRoshi]

He should have but he didn't. Everyone is getting lost in his size and strength but it didn't show on the field. What will he do playing vs NFL starting OL?

I only watched footage of one tape of him on YouTube, but I was thoroughly unimpressed. This guy isn't even in Ngata's area code. He's just a Fatty McStifferson.

[fanfromvirginia]

Big time red flag.

No doubt about it. I wasn't aware of this info. It does, however, remind me of when Ngata was drafted. I remember one of the experts on ESPN dissed the pick on the same grounds. Said Ngata didn't have the motor, took a lot of plays off, etc. We know how that turned out. Today at the combine, the experts were at least raving about Poe's interviews.

Still, yeah, that's a serious red flag.

[Gaede]

Last thing we need is another talented no-heart out there.

I say no thanks

[Silverstar]

Poe solidified his 1st round status, but he's not the 14th best player IMO.

[Cowboy Junkie]

his workout was amazing but I worry about his lack of production.

But I do not have the film that the NFL teams have who knows maybe he was doubled lots.

Of course Suh was doubled in college and he still dominated

[Yeagermeister]

No one really saw Poe play not even Memphis fans because we were terrible but that wasn't his fault. Our coach had no clue. I have no doubt we lead CFB in pts given up.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

If I were Dallas, I would be sitting at 14 and await one of the following three:

David DeCastro
Dontari Poe
Luke Kuechly


...and would walk away with one of those three.

This is the single best posting I've seen on these boards in a long time. I could not agree more.

[28 Joker]

I think the Chiefs will have this guy rated really high on their board. That is just one more defensive riser. I'm so loving this. They might not take him, but it will be hard for that New England clan to pass on him. They are looking for a NT. Trent Richardson could be a great value for K.C. if he falls, too. The OTs will be on their radar, too. They will look at DeCastro. Although, they have Rodney Hudson to play guard or center. Poe is just one more defensive carrot for the Chiefs and other teams looking at DTs in the top 15. This is a gift from Bugs Bunny, himself. Rise my pretties, rise.... Cue the Wicked Witch of the West...:)

[Oh_Canada]

Apparently he was great in his interviews as well-this guy is going top half in the first round of the draft. Any player with those kinds of physical tools is in HIGH demand in the NFL.

[jjktkk]

No doubt about it. I wasn't aware of this info. It does, however, remind me of when Ngata was drafted. I remember one of the experts on ESPN dissed the pick on the same grounds. Said Ngata didn't have the motor, took a lot of plays off, etc. We know how that turned out. Today at the combine, the experts were at least raving about Poe's interviews.

Still, yeah, that's a serious red flag.

I remember that about Ngata as well. Another factor in evaluating Poe, is that yes, Memphis was horrible defensively, but that makes it easier for opposing offenses to double and even triple team Poe, knowing that Memphis doesn't have the talent to make teams pay for double teaming Poe.

[TheCount]

lol, do I? I'm the one saying there's every bit a chance Perry will last past 14, you're the one arguing he's going Top 10, but I'm the one that has players set in stone./QUOTE]

No, you're just the guy going into every combine saying "lol, no he wont go there." There are probably somewhere between 8-10 guys who will go somewhere in the top 14 no doubt. Which means there is plenty of room for guys to shoot up drafts boards after the combine which happens every year. Guys like Poe and Perry who blow up the combine shoot up the draft boards every year. It's not like we are talking about mediocre college players who were 3rd round picks a few days ago....

Now your just speaking gibberish.

[burmafrd]

I remember that about Ngata as well. Another factor in evaluating Poe, is that yes, Memphis was horrible defensively, but that makes it easier for opposing offenses to double and even triple team Poe, knowing that Memphis doesn't have the talent to make teams pay for double teaming Poe.

Those claiming Ngata was low on motor oil were mostly ones trying to talk him down as events proved.

[fanfromvirginia]

Those claiming Ngata was low on motor oil were mostly ones trying to talk him down as events proved.

That's most likely true but the specific conversation I was referring to took place on draft day immediately after the Ngata selection (as the entire Ngata family sat at a table right next to the ESPN person doing the criticism, watching and glowering.)

[underdark]

Just reading that made me tired

I would be happy to throw the bar up 44 times.

[slomoxn]

been saying for a while

trade down between 20-23 and take him
Why not keep 14 and get DeCastro and trade up in the second if this guy is still available. I am going to hate this draft is Decastro is available and they let him go, he is the only offensive player they would really need IMO. Maybe a center but definitely take the best OG to come out in a while if he is served on a platter.

[slomoxn]

While all the talk of Poe at 14 is heating up, don't forget the The Boys have said they like Rat at NT. What would that do to him?

[Yeagermeister]

I remember that about Ngata as well. Another factor in evaluating Poe, is that yes, Memphis was horrible defensively, but that makes it easier for opposing offenses to double and even triple team Poe, knowing that Memphis doesn't have the talent to make teams pay for double teaming Poe.

Horrible is an understatement.....we were whatever is worse than horrible and then some. There were games where if the other team scored the games was over.

[ABQcowboyJR]

While all the talk of Poe at 14 is heating up, don't forget the The Boys have said they like Rat at NT. What would that do to him?
I really hope this is some sort of smoke screen or preliminary evaul. I'm so tired of seeing a sub 300# NT.

[fanfromvirginia]

While all the talk of Poe at 14 is heating up, don't forget the The Boys have said they like Rat at NT. What would that do to him?

Poe is being compared favorably to Ngata. Certainly their measurables are similar -- Ngata jumped slightly better, Poe was faster and stronger. Ngata is a DE who moves around a lot. Presumably Ryan could do the same thing. The Ratliff debate tends to be pretty categorical (as well as ongoing and heated) but Ratliff could probably be moved around a bit as well if Ryan really wanted to.

[marchetta]

Goose says he'll go between 8-18. And, he's the best DT in the draft, and would be surprised if the Boys don't go DL in the 1st rd. Says, DeCastro is the safest pick in the draft, and will be a probowler by his 2nd season. Says it would be a reach to draft a guard at 14 even if he's an elite guard. Says DL will go fast in draft, and can get an OL in the 3rd or 4th rds.