Lets discuss the Skins getting RG3

[Goku]

this worries me...i'm pressing the panic button.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8qEYM4p2Oy8/SdwMceSZiQI/AAAAAAAACOk/zU5FCRborgw/s400/panic+button.jpg

[Verdict]

Don't worry. Danny Boy could screw up even if he had drafted Tom Brady and P. Manning!

[cowboy_ron]

Relax

[Goku]

Don't worry. Danny Boy could screw up even if he had drafted Tom Brady and P. Manning!

idk, danny boy hasn't been as bad recently as he used to be. the skins have always had a tough defense and decent run game. if they get a franchise qb, especially a great guy like RG3, it's going to suck. :banghead:

[Wayne02]

idk, danny boy hasn't been as bad recently as he used to be. the skins have always had a tough defense and decent run game. if they get a franchise qb, especially a great guy like RG3, it's going to suck. :banghead:

The only thing the Redskins are missing is a playmaking QB. Their defense is pretty solid. They would instantly become a contender with RG III IMO.

[SDCowboy85]

What are you worried about? They're going to have to give up 2-3 1sts to get him. That will set them back years right out of the gate.

[newlander]

The only thing the Redskins are missing is a playmaking QB. Their defense is pretty solid. They would instantly become a contender with RG III IMO.


...we will be screwed LONG TERM if this happens: next 2 years? I can see us being better: but when the light comes on for this kid: 1st year, 2nd year, or 3rd year: look OUT.

[Wayne02]

What are you worried about? They're going to have to give up 2-3 1sts to get him. That will set them back years right out of the gate.

A franchise QB is worth those picks. Now it remains to be seen whether Griffin will pan out that way, but if he does, then the Redskins have a bright future.

[The Natural]

The only thing the Redskins are missing is a playmaking QB. Their defense is pretty solid. They would instantly become a contender with RG III IMO.


I know RG3 is a special kid and at all, but I cant name a single team in the last 10 years that instantly became a contender with a rookie QB at the helms, atleast not off the top of my head

[Wayne02]

I know RG3 is a special kid and at all, but I cant name a single team in the last 10 years that instantly became a contender with a rookie QB at the helms, atleast not off the top of my head

The Steelers with Ben Roethlisberger

[Chocolate Lab]

I'll worry if it happens, but not until then. Cleveland needs a QB, too, and they have to give up less to get there. Other teams will be bidding, too.

But make no mistake, it'll suck if they get him.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The Steelers with Ben Roethlisberger

They didn't go Ditka to get him though.

Remember the 2009 draft? Thats what the Skins will look forward to in 2013 and the 2012 draft will be one guy that has a decent shot of helping them this season.

if you are going to go all in it better be over a QB but i cannot recall a team doing a Ditka and succeeding. Closest thing i can think of is Tampa buying Gruden but they paid for it down the line nonetheless.

[Goku]

I know RG3 is a special kid and at all, but I cant name a single team in the last 10 years that instantly became a contender with a rookie QB at the helms, atleast not off the top of my head

Even in the short term they might be better. I mean all he has to do is outplay Rex, how difficult should that be?

It's not only his play that worries me, it's his intangibles...his leadership. He is very impressive off the field. I would hate to have to root against a good guy like him for a decade.

[Wayne02]

They didn't go Ditka to get him though.

Remember the 2009 draft? Thats what the Skins will look forward to in 2013 and the 2012 draft will be one guy that has a decent shot of helping them this season.

if you are going to go all in it better be over a QB but i cannot recall a team doing a Ditka and succeeding. Closest thing i can think of is Tampa buying Gruden but they paid for it down the line nonetheless.

Let's say that Rex Grossman was the starting QB for the Cowboys and we had a chance to get RG III, would you want the team to do whatever they needed to do to get this guy or continue to hand the ball to Rex Grossman?

[JohnsKey19]

this worries me...i'm pressing the panic button.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8qEYM4p2Oy8/SdwMceSZiQI/AAAAAAAACOk/zU5FCRborgw/s400/panic+button.jpg

Panic button? For what? I like the kid and he will hopefully be a good NFL QB. But i don't see why we or any other team will "panic". If he pans out with the Skins in the future, that just means they will be considerably better offensively. And???? Is Atlanta panicking now that Cam Newton has burst on to the scene? This is the NFL. Teams will acquire good players and get better. It happens!

[Wayne02]

Panic button? For what? I like the kid and he will hopefully be a good NFL QB. But i don't see why we or any other team will "panic". If he pans out with the Skins in the future, that just means they will be considerably better offensively. And???? Is Atlanta panicking now that Cam Newton has burst on to the scene? This is the NFL. Teams will acquire good players and get better. It happens!

I'm pretty sure Atlanta is worrying about Cam Newton going forward.

[SDCowboy85]

A franchise QB is worth those picks. Now it remains to be seen whether Griffin will pan out that way, but if he does, then the Redskins have a bright future.
You're making the bold assumption that he won't suck much less be a franchise QB.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Let's say that Rex Grossman was the starting QB for the Cowboys and we had a chance to get RG III, would you want the team to do whatever they needed to do to get this guy or continue to hand the ball to Rex Grossman?

Given the success rates of 1st round NFL QBs I would never give up that much. 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd plus another 1st if not more?

I would try to acquire a different QB at that point.

[newlander]

I'll worry if it happens, but not until then. Cleveland needs a QB, too, and they have to give up less to get there. Other teams will be bidding, too.

But make no mistake, it'll suck if they get him.


...and Hos keeps touting CLE with their two no.1 picks BUT do you really believe lil' Dan will be outbid? He's NEVER outbid for what he wants: and word has it, he really wants this kid. I don't care if he has to trad away his whole draft this year and part of next: he'll do it. Bruce Allen? He'll be a tiny voice of dissent: RG3 is going to DC IMO.......hope to HELL I'm wrong ,but I just know the midget will pull out all the stops: it's what he DOES after all:bang2:

[SacredStar]

I could care less. The guy could be a huge bust. Ryan Leaf was rated higher and look what happened there.

[Wayne02]

You're making the bold assumption that he won't suck.

I just said that it's assuming that he pans out to be a Franchise QB. Most people think this guy is going to be a solid QB and if the team that's picking him thinks that as well, then those picks are worth giving up for a Franchise QB.

[Goku]

Panic button? For what? I like the kid and he will hopefully be a good NFL QB. But i don't see why we or any other team will "panic". If he pans out with the Skins in the future, that just means they will be considerably better offensively. And???? Is Atlanta panicking now that Cam Newton has burst on to the scene? This is the NFL. Teams will acquire good players and get better. It happens!

I think I've been spoiled by the skins having crappy qb play for so long, it would be weird to seem them get a legit franchise qb. Plus the Skins have always given us trouble even without a legit qb, what happens when they finally solidfy that position? I don't like the skins getting younger at the most key position in football, while Romo continues to age. this worries me.

[Goku]

I could care less. The guy could be a huge bust. Ryan Leaf was rated higher and look what happened there.

Ryan Leaf was a immature arrogant loser. RG3 is extremely intelligent on and off the field and is a great character guy. No comparison between the two.

[Wayne02]

Given the success rates of 1st round NFL QBs I would never give up that much. 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd plus another 1st if not more?

I would try to acquire a different QB at that point.

You would try to acquire a different QB like ???? There aren't many Franchise QB's out there to acquire, your best chance is drafting a guy you think can become a Franchise QB. Heck the Raiders gave up 2 1st round picks for Carson Palmer. That shows you how dumb the Raiders are, but it also shows you the value of a Franchise QB.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I just said that it's assuming that he pans out to be a Franchise QB. Most people think this guy is going to be a solid QB and if the team that's picking him thinks that as well, then those picks are worth giving up for a Franchise QB.

So you want us to assume the worst case scenario and panic? I will pass.

i think the success rate of first round QBs is like 48%. Thats just meaning they don't bust out completely. Would you give up the farm for Carson Palmer, Josh Freeman or Sam Bradford?

I wouldn't.

[Chocolate Lab]

...and Hos keeps touting CLE with their two no.1 picks BUT do you really believe lil' Dan will be outbid? He's NEVER outbid for what he wants: and word has it, he really wants this kid. I don't care if he has to trad away his whole draft this year and part of next: he'll do it. Bruce Allen? He'll be a tiny voice of dissent: RG3 is going to DC IMO.......hope to HELL I'm wrong ,but I just know the midget will pull out all the stops: it's what he DOES after all:bang2:

Yeah, I admit there's a pretty good chance that Danny just blows them out of the water. And there's some relationship between the Skins front office and the Rams guys. But still, Cleveland has to have the best shot if they want him.

And at least if they do get him, they'll have to give up a fortune. :o:

But I don't want to see it. He's too perfect for Shanahan's offense.

[Wayne02]

So you want us to assume the worst case scenario and panic? I will pass.

i think the success rate of first round QBs is like 48%. Thats just meaning they don't bust out completely. Would you give up the farm for Carson Palmer, Josh Freeman or Sam Bradford?

I wouldn't.

Who said I was panicking? I said that RG III would make the Redskins a contender and I believe that. No, I wouldn't give up the farm for Carson Palmer or a Josh Freeman or a Sam Bradford, but I would give it up for a Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, or an RG III

[Blue Eyed Devil]

The Redskins are such a mess I'm not concerned with them.

The Cowboys need to worry about the Cowboys. We were 0-4 against the Eagles and Giants. We need to be figuring out how to pass them, not worrying about the Redskins in our rear-view mirror.

[Nation]

They are going to get a shot at a franchise quarterback at some point, I'd rather have it be where they have to mortgage the future and overpay for the pick

[5Stars]

Ryan Leaf was a immature arrogant loser. RG3 is extremely intelligent on and off the field and is a great character guy. No comparison between the two.

Bro, your Redskins are not getting him, end of story!

[Goku]

Yeah, I admit there's a pretty good chance that Danny just blows them out of the water. And there's some relationship between the Skins front office and the Rams guys. But still, Cleveland has to have the best shot if they want him.

And at least if they do get him, they'll have to give up a fortune. :o:

But I don't want to see it. He's too perfect for Shanahan's offense.

what Danny wants, he gets. reports out of DC are that he is obsessed with RG3 so i'm going to assume that they will get him. i just hope they forced to pay severely. rams better not go easy on them.


Bro, your Redskins are not getting him, end of story!

how do you figure?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who said I was panicking? I said that RG III would make the Redskins a contender and I believe that. No, I wouldn't give up the farm for Carson Palmer or a Josh Freeman or a Sam Bradford, but I would give it up for a Cam Newton, Andrew Luck, or an RG III

Then you would build a team like Snyder and i would not.

Putting all your eggs into one basket that will end up with still only one other skill position player in Moss worth a flip and only one + in Trent Williams along the offensive line.

Their defense has some decent players but had mediocre production at around 20th in scoring defense.

Neither side of the ball will get help from the draft for the next two years so you get to create more of a mercenary culture in Washington. That has worked wonders for them the past decade or more.

There would be no way i would do business as usual in that town and trading the farm for one player is exactly that.

[JohnsKey19]

I'm pretty sure Atlanta is worrying about Cam Newton going forward.

Obviously. He's a great young player so you have to account for him. Like i said, it happens. The longer you hang around the top 5 of the draft, chances are you're going to acquire dynamic young players. That's why the draft is constructed as it is.

If Griffin goes to the Skins and lives up to expectations, that likely means the Skins will be a much improved team offensively for some time. It changes the dynamic of our 2 meetings each year and adds to the competition level of the division. And??????

[5Stars]

how do you figure?

:laugh2:

I knew you were a Redskin fan.

[Chocolate Lab]

Then you would build a team like Snyder and i would not.

Putting all your eggs into one basket that will end up with still only one other skill position player in Moss worth a flip and only one + in Trent Williams along the offensive line.

Their defense has some decent players but had mediocre production at around 20th in scoring defense.

Neither side of the ball will get help from the draft for the next two years so you get to create more of a mercenary culture in Washington. That has worked wonders for them the past decade or more.

There would be no way i would do business as usual in that town and trading the farm for one player is exactly that.
Okay, but what should they do? Just settle for more scrap heap crap at the most important position on the field like they've been doing for years?

QB is the one big position holding them back and I wouldn't blame them for going for it when they have a chance. In fact, I'd expect it. Win a few more games like we did and pick in the middle of the pack, and unless you get extraordinarily lucky, you have *no* chance at finding a franchise QB.

[Wayne02]

Then you would build a team like Snyder and i would not.

Putting all your eggs into one basket that will end up with still only one other skill position player in Moss worth a flip and only one + in Trent Williams along the offensive line.

Their defense has some decent players but had mediocre production at around 20th in scoring defense.

Neither side of the ball will get help from the draft for the next two years so you get to create more of a mercenary culture in Washington. That has worked wonders for them the past decade or more.

There would be no way i would do business as usual in that town and trading the farm for one player is exactly that.

That's fine. I respect your opinion, but I don't view a potential Franchise QB as just "one player" A teams QB play will make or break that team, and if you're able to secure a potential Franchise QB, you do whatever you have to do to get that guy on your team.

[burmafrd]

the steelers got to and won the SB IN SPITE of the Rapist not because of him

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That's fine. I respect your opinion, but I don't view a potential Franchise QB as just "one player" A teams QB play will make or break that team, and if you're able to secure a potential Franchise QB, you do whatever you have to do to get that guy on your team.

Cam Newton showed promise and is much less of a question mark but he is hardly 'franchise' material yet. He turns the ball over too much and lets just say hes lucky to have Steve Smith to go get the ball. That being said he was a phenomenal rookie.

OTOH, Luck and Griffin are unknowns and while you may think that they are sure things, they are not.

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2012/2/8/2784996/drafting-a-qb-in-the-first-round-is-like-playing-russian-roulette

Thats good article talking about the risks involved.

[basstapp]

They had a good defense, but they also have to resign a lot of players. Those players may not be willing to resign. I think Romo is a top tier quarterback and if we can strengthen the O-line and sure up our secondary we are the team to beat next year.

We need 1 guard + center

two corners + MLB

Resign Spencer, Fiametta, Robinson if it is reasonable.

[Wayne02]

Cam Newton showed promise and is much less of a question mark but he is hardly 'franchise' material yet. He turns the ball over too much and lets just say hes lucky to have Steve Smith to go get the ball. That being said he was a phenomenal rookie.

OTOH, Luck and Griffin are unknowns and while you may think that they are sure things, they are not.

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2012/2/8/2784996/drafting-a-qb-in-the-first-round-is-like-playing-russian-roulette

Thats good article talking about the risks involved.

You're talking about how many interceptions Cam has thrown as a rookie with no offseason, yet Eli Manning is still throwing a high number of interceptions in his what 9th NFL season and he has 2 Super Bowl rings and 2 MVP's. Is he not a Franchise QB?

[newlander]

Ryan Leaf was a immature arrogant loser. RG3 is extremely intelligent on and off the field and is a great character guy. No comparison between the two.



.......absolutely true: comparing those two is just:lmao2:

[Hostile]

What can any of us do to prevent it?


Exactly, so why the hell should I worry about it?

[Goku]

:laugh2:

I knew you were a Redskin fan.
lol get your mind out of the gutter.

What can any of us do to prevent it?


Exactly, so why the hell should I worry about it?

well we had no control of romo's ribs, yet we were worried/concerned about his health. :confused:

[SDogo]

What can any of us do to prevent it?


Exactly, so why the hell should I worry about it?


I'm not worried about it nor am I worried about it if they do.

His style is not exactly ground breaking in the NFL. Randall Cunningham was doing long before these guys.

The Mannings and Brady's of the league are still winning SB's and I'm pretty sure the pocket passer still rules the NFL.

[numnuts23]

RG3 is a special talent it appears at this point. But right now, that is it. We all know he was GREAT in college, but it doesn't always translate to the NFL.
(FYI - Baylor fans - I'm not saying he isn't going to be good) It's really really early to worry about him right now.

[5Stars]

lol get your mind out of the gutter.



:laugh2:

Sorry....

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Okay, but what should they do? Just settle for more scrap heap crap at the most important position on the field like they've been doing for years?

QB is the one big position holding them back and I wouldn't blame them for going for it when they have a chance. In fact, I'd expect it. Win a few more games like we did and pick in the middle of the pack, and unless you get extraordinarily lucky, you have *no* chance at finding a franchise QB.

There are other prospects out there and Shanahan is a helluva evaluator of the position as recently evidenced with Cutler. I would recommend going after prospects that they can get without having to give up two draft for all intents and purposes.

Now if Shanahan is saying that RG3 is a sure thing then that changes things obviously. That being said pick multiple QBs. Brady, Romo, Roethlisberger, Brees, and Rodgers were not picked at the top of the first round.

[Fletch]

this worries me...i'm pressing the panic button.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_8qEYM4p2Oy8/SdwMceSZiQI/AAAAAAAACOk/zU5FCRborgw/s400/panic+button.jpg

Why press the panic button if they draft this undersized QB who will not even come close to what Cam Newton will become for the Panthers? Just my opinion.

RG3 is a good college QB. But that has no bearing on how he will make the transition to the NFL level. I think he will be limited. I'm all for the Skins taking him. Maybe I'm one of the few.

All I know is this Redskins will mortgage their immediate future and have to play him. :D Go and get him Skins.


I believe our defense will be set and ready for this guy after this FA and draft to deal with RG3-PO!

[durrrr]

...we will be screwed LONG TERM if this happens: next 2 years? I can see us being better: but when the light comes on for this kid: 1st year, 2nd year, or 3rd year: look OUT.

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[durrrr]

The Steelers with Ben Roethlisberger

not because of ben roethlisberger...

[durrrr]

...and Hos keeps touting CLE with their two no.1 picks BUT do you really believe lil' Dan will be outbid? He's NEVER outbid for what he wants: and word has it, he really wants this kid. I don't care if he has to trad away his whole draft this year and part of next: he'll do it. Bruce Allen? He'll be a tiny voice of dissent: RG3 is going to DC IMO.......hope to HELL I'm wrong ,but I just know the midget will pull out all the stops: it's what he DOES after all:bang2:

what Danny wants, he gets.

Jay Cutler
Mark Sanchez

[cowboy_ron]

what Danny wants, he gets. reports out of DC are that he is obsessed with RG3 so i'm going to assume that they will get him. i just hope they forced to pay severely. rams better not go easy on them.




how do you figure?
Doogie Howser gets excited about big names

[SkinsandTerps]

Is there a way to make this thread a favorite ?

They draft is still almost 2 months away.

But some of these responses just have me laughing. Too funny.

[cobra]

Is there a way to make this thread a favorite ?

They draft is still almost 2 months away.

But some of these responses just have me laughing. Too funny.

Protip: a fan of a bottom-dweller, doormat franchise like the Redskins that is a league-wide joke probably ought not be cocky about anything.

There's not a law, but personal dignity and self-respect probably ought to keep someone from wanting to trash talk when they reside at the barrell bottom.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Protip: a fan of a bottom-dweller, doormat franchise like the Redskins that is a league-wide joke probably ought not be cocky about anything.

There's not a law, but personal dignity and self-respect probably ought to keep someone from wanting to trash talk when they reside at the barrell bottom.

Protip: Before responding to a post, use some reading comprehension and understand what is said in the post.

Its not a law, but personal dignity and self respect probably ought to keep someone from looking like an *** when they are unable to comprehend what the poster is talking about

[SkinsandTerps]

Protip: a fan of a bottom-dweller, doormat franchise like the Redskins that is a league-wide joke probably ought not be cocky about anything.

There's not a law, but personal dignity and self-respect probably ought to keep someone from wanting to trash talk when they reside at the barrell bottom.

Who is being cocky here ? Some of the scared posts are pretty funny. Some of the won't happen posts are funny.

Joke seems to be on you. Protip I suppose ??? Whatever that means.

You want me to post a funny pic ? One with kittens or cartoons ? You should know me better by now.

[SkinsandTerps]

Protip: Before responding to a post, use some reading comprehension and understand what is said in the post.

Its not a law, but personal dignity and self respect probably ought to keep someone from looking like an *** when they are unable to comprehend what the poster is talking about


He took it as a slight ( I guess). I don't know why but that seems to be the case.

Some people should simply ask a question to clarify before making cloudy response.

[AmishGangsta]

Protip: a fan of a bottom-dweller, doormat franchise like the Redskins that is a league-wide joke probably ought not be cocky about anything.

There's not a law, but personal dignity and self-respect probably ought to keep someone from wanting to trash talk when they reside at the barrell bottom.

Oh, but that's what makes the NFL so fun Cobra. A team can go from last to first - and vice-versa - from first to last, in the blink of an eye. Parody is what makes the NFL such a great sport, and every fan base has hope this time of year - even yours - and yes, 3rd in the division two straight years is better than being last in the division, but it's hardly something to gain a personal "complex" over.

Let's rewind a decade or so ago:
Remember how bad the Colts and Patriots both were - seriously, they were bad. Now look at them. Things change in the NFL.

Thank god football is not a sport where everyone roots for only the 3-4 front-runners (the dominant teams) because their local teams or the lower level teams have no shot - baseball and basketball are great examples.

The day the NFL becomes a competition between 3-4 powerhouses like the others sports, is the day I and most people stop watching it.

[AmishGangsta]

...and Hos keeps touting CLE with their two no.1 picks BUT do you really believe lil' Dan will be outbid? He's NEVER outbid for what he wants: and word has it, he really wants this kid. I don't care if he has to trad away his whole draft this year and part of next: he'll do it. Bruce Allen? He'll be a tiny voice of dissent: RG3 is going to DC IMO.......hope to HELL I'm wrong ,but I just know the midget will pull out all the stops: it's what he DOES after all:bang2:

To be frank, I keep seeing him in my head, running around in a #10 Browns jersey myself...,

but EVERYTHING I"ve heard and read (I've invested a lot of time into it), says the Browns don't want to trade up - maybe a possible smoke screen?

Shanahan really wants him. At this day and time, it doesn't matter what Snyder wants. I know it is reported otherwise by the media, but the team is run by Shanahan and Bruce Allen. Snyder has given them the green light to make it happen, though.

It's a different regime in charge of the Redskins. Minus the Mcnabb trade, they've done a good job building through the draft. Look at everything else they've done; their philosophy has changed and they have football minds making the decisions.

The being said, the new regime and Mike Shanahan, have COMPLETELY SCREWED UP with their QB choices: Mcnabb, Grossman, Beck.

Shanahans job is on the line, with his next move at the position. He needs to find a QB, and the next one they get, trust me, it will be well thought out and they will do everything to get him - if they think he's a franchise QB, in which I think Mike is in love with him.

Now, whether or not it will be a success or not, that's another story. Being a Redskins fan, we really have never had our own QB, EVER - one that was drafted and groomed by us.
I want them to do EVERYTHING they can to solidify the position for the next 10 years.

[gmoney112]

Who cares? He could be a routine Pro Bowler and the Skins would still suck

[cowboy_ron]

Who cares? He could be a routine Pro Bowler and the Skins would still suck
:laugh2:

[Rynie]

Oh, but that's what makes the NFL so fun Cobra. A team can go from last to first - and vice-versa - from first to last, in the blink of an eye. Parody is what makes the NFL such a great sport, and every fan base has hope this time of year - even yours - and yes, 3rd in the division two straight years is better than being last in the division, but it's hardly something to gain a personal "complex" over.



I've always thought the NFL was pretty SERIOUS business.

[AmishGangsta]

Who cares? He could be a routine Pro Bowler and the Skins would still suck

Hey, we Redskins fans aren't asking for much. Just a QB that can hit the broad side of a barn, can wear a wrist band; make it through our "excruciating" conditioning tests; turns the ball over less the 3 times a game (good ol Rex) and someone who's not going to knock themselves out banging their head into a wall. :P

We can deal with the sucking part (we've done it for 19 or so years). But at least let us suck with a good QB!

[AmishGangsta]

I've always thought the NFL was pretty SERIOUS business.

Oh, trust me, my creative use of the English language (I can spell words many different ways!) and unique way of spelling peoples names is well-documented.

For work, I'm basically the final eyes on one of the biggest newspapers in my area (or the country for that matter). Can you believe that? What's the world coming to....

Old habits die hard, I guess. I need an editor to sort out my posts.

[silverbear]

idk, danny boy hasn't been as bad recently as he used to be.

Yeah, he has... for evidence, consider that the Skins have been 4-12, 6-10 and 5-11 over the last 3 seasons... that's a combined 15-33 record (.313)...

That qualifies as the worst 3 year streak in Snyder's time as owner... so tell me, given that the last 3 years have been the 3 worst of his tenure, how exactly do you justify the claim that "he hasn't been as bad recently"??

[AmishGangsta]

Yeah, he has... for evidence, consider that the Skins have been 4-12, 6-10 and 5-11 over the last 3 seasons... that's a combined 15-33 record (.313)...

That qualifies as the worst 3 year streak in Snyder's time as owner... so tell me, given that the last 3 years have been the 3 worst of his tenure, how exactly do you justify the claim that "he hasn't been as bad recently"??

He is not the one pulling the strings and making the decisions though He does have a say so, but it's Mike/Bruce/the scouts building the team.

BTW, how you been SilverBeard?

so tell me, given that the last 3 years have been the 3 worst of his tenure, how exactly do you justify the claim that "he hasn't been as bad recently"??

He hasn't been as bad, in terms of mingling in the affairs and making football decisions. As to the rest, you're right, you are what your record is.

[silverbear]

...we will be screwed LONG TERM if this happens: next 2 years? I can see us being better: but when the light comes on for this kid: 1st year, 2nd year, or 3rd year: look OUT.

You guys are pressing the panic button a bit prematurely here... I mean, the Browns are also reported to be hot for trading up, and they have two advantages-- 1) they have two first rounders this year to dangle as bait, and 2) the Rams would only be trading down two spots, not four, if they deal with the Browns...

I'd also suggest that the Skins are more than one player away from being contenders... let's remember, this is a team that has gone 15-33 over the last 3 years, and not all of that has been because of their quarterbacks... but if the Skins package a bunch of high picks to get Griffin, then they won't easily be able to fill the holes around him, give him the tools he needs to be a productive offensive leader...

[silverbear]

...and Hos keeps touting CLE with their two no.1 picks BUT do you really believe lil' Dan will be outbid? He's NEVER outbid for what he wants:

Uhhhh, he wanted Nnamdi Asomugha and Cullen Jenkins last year, but I don't recall seeing either of them in a Redskins uniform...

[silverbear]

what Danny wants, he gets.

That's a load of crap, right there... as I said earlier in this thread, he wanted Nnamdi Asomugha and Cullen Jenkins last year, and didn't get either one...

[silverbear]

He is not the one pulling the strings and making the decisions though He does have a say so, but it's Mike/Bruce/the scouts building the team.

BTW, how you been SilverBeard?

Well, I'm still awfully ugly, but other than that, I'm doing well... I've been ugly a long time, long enough that I've learned to carry it off with style... and how are things in your world these days??

You are of course right about Danny Boy making an effort not to be so meddlesome these days, but that only serves to further discredit the remarks about Danny "always getting what he wants"...

[AmishGangsta]

That's a load of crap, right there... as I said earlier in this thread, he wanted Nnamdi Asomugha and Cullen Jenkins last year, and didn't get either one...

Not true. They wanted Jenkins, but Asomugha was all media speculation. Felt from the get-go that the price tag was too high.
They also wanted Ryan Harris (who the Eagles also signed), there were a few others...

In years prior, they wanted Cutler and Vincent Jackson.

Danny can't always get what he wants, because he's got football people to slap his hand and tell him it's not wise or the price tag is too high.
Bruce Allen is very cap savy, and he's got limits. He's done a great job with the cap, and in fact, I think the Skins have the second or third best cap situation in the league.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the new Sins FO is much more conservative/wise/calculated (maybe even to a fault) than the previous one: Gibbs, Vinny, Snyder.

What Danny wants is to win. He knows that in order to do that, something had to change. Agreements in Shanahans constract promised that he would have full control over all things football. Shanhan wouldn't have come to DC if Snyder was meddling.

Those three records you posted fall squarely on Shanahans shoulders.

[AmishGangsta]

Bro, your Redskins are not getting him, end of story!

I'm trying not to get my hopes up, but people I trust and have been following for years are very certain that the Skins and Rams will make a trade very soon. They are even willing to outbid the Browns - and yes, that is possible. Nothing is ever certain - hell, the Skins were very close to getting Cuttler and Vincent Jackson, before the deals crashed and burned.

But it's just silly to assume the Skins have no chance in hell at getting him. They have a very good chance of getting him, more or a chance than 30 other teams.
If the Browns WANTED to outbid the Redskins it would get very interesting. But they don't.

Personally, I think Washington is DUE for a great QB. So are the Browns, but they've got Mccoy who they just drafted two years ago ;)

[SkinsHokieFan]

Uhhhh, he wanted Nnamdi Asomugha and Cullen Jenkins last year, but I don't recall seeing either of them in a Redskins uniform...

Any evidence that the Redskins were in on Nnamdi or Jenkins?

[Chocolate Lab]

There are other prospects out there and Shanahan is a helluva evaluator of the position as recently evidenced with Cutler. I would recommend going after prospects that they can get without having to give up two draft for all intents and purposes.
Really, what other prospects would those be?

And Cutler was a blue chip prospect in a deep QB draft. This one isn't like that one at all.

[Califan007]

Uhhhh, he wanted Nnamdi Asomugha and Cullen Jenkins last year, but I don't recall seeing either of them in a Redskins uniform...
Shanahan and Allen wanted Jenkins and had a passing interest in Asomugha. And they only wanted Jenkins if they could get him at their price...not at any price.

If both men are as hyped and sold on RG3 as reports are claiming, then they won't be outbid. He will be an "at any price" type of player in their eyes...and they won't have to worry about having an owner who shies away from taking risks and paying a lot for big-name players.

[Califan007]

Those three records you posted fall squarely on Shanahans shoulders.
Only two of them do.

[DCBoysfan]

I'll worry if it happens, but not until then. Cleveland needs a QB, too, and they have to give up less to get there. Other teams will be bidding, too.

But make no mistake, it'll suck if they get him.

^^^^THIS^^^^^ I dont want to see him the divsion I think he is going to be very good.

[Denim Chicken]

Who cares? Dude can't throw to himself.

[DFWJC]

Let's say that Rex Grossman was the starting QB for the Cowboys and we had a chance to get RG III, would you want the team to do whatever they needed to do to get this guy or continue to hand the ball to Rex Grossman?
The alternative for them is to keep those two 1st rounders--as they have MANY needs despite what some are saying--and take Matt Flynn or even Peyton. They have 40 mil in cap space.

That's an alternate plan, but I wouldn't balme them at all if they went for RG3 either.

[AmishGangsta]

The alternative for them is to keep those two 1st rounders--as they have MANY needs despite what some are saying--and take Matt Flynn or even Peyton. They have 40 mil in cap space.

That's an alternate plan, but I wouldn't balme them at all if they went for RG3 either.

The defense is pretty much set, besides a few pieces here and there, but they've got the pass rushers and the defensive line - that's the most important part.

Runningback position is good with Helu, Hightower and Royster. The two young runningbacks did well when given an oppourtunity.

They have young receivers that havn't gotten a shot yet, and Hankerson (last years third round pick) was injured. They'll likely sign WR in FA - probably Vincent Jackson.

TE: Davis, Cooley. Davis showed last year that he could be an elite tight end last year, and Cooley is coming back from injury.

Really, the biggest holes are on the line and at QB.

[SkinsHokieFan]

The alternative for them is to keep those two 1st rounders--as they have MANY needs despite what some are saying--and take Matt Flynn or even Peyton. They have 40 mil in cap space.

That's an alternate plan, but I wouldn't balme them at all if they went for RG3 either.

Terrible alternative

Peyton Manning is 1) old and 2) will put your team back in the same spot it is now in 2 years, in dire need of a QB. He would also probably take you out of a chance at getting a top QB.

You get a young franchise QB you can build around. By the time he is 24 the Redskins will have full drafts again and will be able to add more pieces around him.

In the interim, you utilize the cap space you have wisely, as the Redskins did last year

[cowboy_ron]

Who cares? Dude can't throw to himself.
:lmao:

[AmishGangsta]

He'll throw to Niles Paul (our secret weapon) - drafted last year:

http://larrybrownsports.com/youtubeage/redskins-niles-paul-backflip-catching-pass-video/119890 :eek:

[JackWagon]

I dont think CLE is gonna trade up. I think they like McCoy (who could eventually turn into a Brees). Those 2 first rounders are worth more to them than another QB cause they can fix 2 defensive positions.

So really the 2 suitors for RG3 are actually Miami and Washington.

[newlander]

I dont think CLE is gonna trade up. I think they like McCoy (who could eventually turn into a Brees). Those 2 first rounders are worth more to them than another QB cause they can fix 2 defensive positions.

So really the 2 suitors for RG3 are actually Miami and Washington.



.........browns won't do jack IMO: Miami won't outbid lil Dan: RG3 will be in DC.:bang2:

[DFWJC]

The defense is pretty much set, besides a few pieces here and there, but they've got the pass rushers and the defensive line - that's the most important part.

Runningback position is good with Helu, Hightower and Royster. The two young runningbacks did well when given an oppourtunity.

They have young receivers that havn't gotten a shot yet, and Hankerson (last years third round pick) was injured. They'll likely sign WR in FA - probably Vincent Jackson.

TE: Davis, Cooley. Davis showed last year that he could be an elite tight end last year, and Cooley is coming back from injury.

Really, the biggest holes are on the line and at QB.
I would say QB, some Oline (which is nearly 1/4 of the starting lineup by itself) and WR. I agree that any needs on D are less pressing, though there are some there too.

They have a ton of cap space, so they can address some issue with that as well.

[Sonny#9]

I would say QB, some Oline (which is nearly 1/4 of the starting lineup by itself) and WR. I agree that any needs on D are less pressing, though there are some there too.

I would say the only problem on our OL is RT.

They have a ton of cap space, so they can address some issue with that as well.

Not only do we have a ton of space, we have some organization in the FO, rather than that bug-eyed idiot...

[cowboysooner]

If you look at it as players would you give up Justin Blackmon(6th this year), Robert Quinn (# 14 Last Year) and Mike Iupati (#17 2 years ago) paid out over 3 years for Robert Griffin today?