Game of Thrones: Season 2

[Sam I Am]

Starts April 1st!

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[viman96]

I was just thinking about this series and wondering when it is going to start again. I really looking forward to season 2!

[Romo 2 Austin]

Very excited for this.

[The Ominous]

Absolutely pumped. I'm just finishing up "A Storm of Swords" and holy **** at some of the things that happened in that book. Can't wait to see it on screen. "A Clash of Kings" was incredible as well, so this season should be amazing.

[Joe Rod]

Almost time to get HBO again. This plus True Blood are two of my required shows.

[Dallas]

So I will subscribe AGAIN to HBO for this 1 show. :laugh2: Looks to be a great Season 2 coming.


Cannot WAIIIITTTTT.....

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

If you aren't aware, you can read 1 chapter from the next book on GRRM's website. Supposedly the next book will be out this year.

[Teren_Kanan]

If you aren't aware, you can read 1 chapter from the next book on GRRM's website. Supposedly the next book will be out this year.


Lol. Supposedly from where? There is no way in hell the next book is out before 2014 =p

[AmarilloCowboyFan]

Lol. Supposedly from where? There is no way in hell the next book is out before 2014 =p

I asked the guy who told me that and he said he misread it. Apparently it's just another chapter. LOL should have known better.

[DFWJC]

Starts April 1st!

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!!!!!!!!!

[Sam I Am]

The Simpsons Game of Thrones opening.

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[viman96]

Bump!

[Yeagermeister]

3 hrs and 15 mins :D

[viman96]

I can watch it at 6 PM non HD or at 9 PM HD. Oh this sucks! LOL not sure if I can wait an extra 3 hours.

[StevenOtero]

I can wait for the Scene release. (Which will be out right after it airs) No use in subscribing to premium channels, much less cable/satellite.

[Sam I Am]

...and here we go!

[Sam I Am]

Damn. That was average at best. Then again, maybe the storyline forced it to be. GRRM can easily spew thousands of words of meandering while setting up a storyline. I guess in the conversion you have no choice, but putting a chunk of it in the video portion of the story since it does do some story development.

[theogt]

Good episode.

[casmith07]

Damn. That was average at best. Then again, maybe the storyline forced it to be. GRRM can easily spew thousands of words of meandering while setting up a storyline. I guess in the conversion you have no choice, but putting a chunk of it in the video portion of the story since it does do some story development.

The first part of A Clash of Kings is fairly slow. Lots of setup. The good part is coming, trust me.

[Yeagermeister]

I thought it was a very good episode. There was a lot to digest.

[Joe Realist]

The part with the baby.....more than disturbing

[Sam I Am]

I thought it was a very good episode. There was a lot to digest.

There were a couple of good parts. I just thought as whole it was a bit slow.

[viman96]

I agree it was a touch slow but I really liked it. It seemed like it was setting up for something bigger.

[Sam I Am]

I agree it was a touch slow but I really liked it. It seemed like it was setting up for something bigger.

I read the books so long ago that the details I remember seem to mesh in with book 3 so I can't remember where this season actually finishes and the other begins. Not to mention, it's been long enough that I know I've forgotten a lot of it. I'm sure as soon as I see it happen though, it will all come flooding back.

[Yeagermeister]

There were a couple of good parts. I just thought as whole it was a bit slow.

It was but there were a lot of story lines to update.

[casmith07]

spoilers ahead!










The only inconsistency was Robb Stark sic'ing his direwolf on Lannister in his cell.

He actually used the wolf for intimidation when telling the rider his peace terms.

[Derekmtl85]

The part with the baby.....more than disturbing

My wife stopped watching after that.

Messed up scene, not sure why they had to put that in there.

Good show though, this season should be pretty good.

[Yeagermeister]

My wife stopped watching after that.

Messed up scene, not sure why they had to put that in there.

Good show though, this season should be pretty good.

Yeah they didn't have to show it just reference it

[ChldsPlay]

My wife stopped watching after that.

Messed up scene, not sure why they had to put that in there.

Good show though, this season should be pretty good.

I thought it was the best scene of the episode.

[casmith07]

My wife stopped watching after that.

Messed up scene, not sure why they had to put that in there.

Good show though, this season should be pretty good.

Because it happened in the book, and the hunting/killing of Robert Baratheon's ******* children is a big part of the story.

Fortunately they softened it up big time for TV.

[Sam I Am]

Yeah they didn't have to show it just reference it

They didn't *show* it happen. The books are violent sometimes. That is part of what makes it's so great IMO.

[Sam I Am]

Because it happened in the book, and the hunting/killing of Robert Baratheon's ******* children is a big part of the story.

Fortunately they softened it up big time for TV.

Agreed. It could have been downright graphic, but they didn't do that.

[casmith07]

Agreed. It could have been downright graphic, but they didn't do that.

I wouldn't have cared if it were graphic. I'm desensitized to that stuff.

Ever watch Spartacus: Vengeance? It'll desensitize you quick, lol.

[TheDallasDon]

Liked it........didnt watch it to now cuz getting back into The Wire now that xbox now has hbo go

[Teren_Kanan]

Because it happened in the book, and the hunting/killing of Robert Baratheon's ******* children is a big part of the story.

Fortunately they softened it up big time for TV.


What? How did they soften it up? None of those scenes even take place in the books. You don't see any of Robert's bastards killed in the books. You learn of it from a Tyrion chapter, and he doesn't actually witness any of it, just hears that it happened. Certainly not "softened" for TV, it was ADDED for TV.

I liked the scene quite a bit, simply hearing about it wouldn't drive the point home as much because you wouldn't really grasp the brutality of it without Tyrion's inner monologue on the situation.

My other thoughts on the episode.

I liked AND hated the scene between Littlefinger and Cersei/Guards. From a TV Show standpoint it really fits the whole "Power resides where people believe it resides" riddle from Varys in all the trailers. From a purest book reader perspective I didn't like seeing Littlefinger get taken down a notch by Cersei. I won't go into exactly what I hate about it because discussing Littlefinger too much could bring about huge spoilers from later books. I could see them making it work later though.


They are taking a lot of lines from book 3 and inserting it into this season I've already noticed. They did this quite a bit in season 1 but pulled it off brilliantly, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt as they have not disappointing me yet.

I LOVED how huge they made Grey Wind look next to Robb Stark. They did a really good job.

I was wondering how they were going to do Brann's story. I've always thought Brann's is going to be the story that has to change the most in the TV series because it's the hardest to pull off with all that happens, and having to use the wolf quite a bit.

I'm also wondering if Osha is going to replace Jojen and Meera Reed as Brann's companion in the upcoming story, they've already started her down that path.

I really hate what they are doing with Theon. The way they are building him doesn't quite fit with exactly what happens in the book, so I'm interested to see what else they will change. I have a feeling his fanbase is going to drop here shortly!

Loved the Stannis Melisandre scenes. *LOVED* Davos, he's perfect.

I'm wondering if Segue (Ros the whore) is going to replace Chataya, the owner of the Brothel in the books that Tyrion frequents. I don't see a reason for them to introduce Chataya when Ros can probably fill that roll just fine. She may even play the part of Alayaya. I don't see the series losing much with this change as it wasn't that important, and saves time from having to introduce anyone else. We'll see.

They are continuing to soften up Cersei and Caitlyn's characters. Not a bad thing for television, and I don't hate anything they've done, it just annoys me a little. I'm still sore over them taking away Caitlyn's line of "it should have been you" to Jon.


I'm just being picky though. Over all it was a very good episode and I'm super excited about this season even though I believe it will be the worst season of the series in terms of what they have to leave out from the books. Book 2 is a bit bigger than Book 1 and more big events happen that they have to cover in the same time span. At least for Book 3 it looks like they will split the book over 2 seasons which is perfect.

[viman96]

^Do you mean Bran Stark? Or Broon? Sorry I have not read the book and still getting to know the characters. I looked up the cast names and I see there is Bran Stark and Broon.

[Derekmtl85]

Because it happened in the book, and the hunting/killing of Robert Baratheon's ******* children is a big part of the story.

Fortunately they softened it up big time for TV.

That explains it, thanks.

I haven't read the books yet, so to me it just seemed a bit much.

[Teren_Kanan]

^Do you mean Bran Stark? Or Broon? Sorry I have not read the book and still getting to know the characters. I looked up the cast names and I see there is Bran Stark and Broon.

Bran Stark.

Bronn which is Tyrion's Sellsword.

[Rack Bauer]

POSSIBLE SPOILERS FROM FUTURE EPISODES/SEASONS!!!!!!!!!


I liked AND hated the scene between Littlefinger and Cersei/Guards. From a TV Show standpoint it really fits the whole "Power resides where people believe it resides" riddle from Varys in all the trailers. From a purest book reader perspective I didn't like seeing Littlefinger get taken down a notch by Cersei. I won't go into exactly what I hate about it because discussing Littlefinger too much could bring about huge spoilers from later books. I could see them making it work later though.

Yeah I didn't like seeing Littlefinger get punked like that. Littlefinger's "power" comes from the fact that he doesn't say anything so obvious like he did in that scene. He takes his knowledge and uses it 'behind the scenes' to gain power.

That was very unlike the Littlefinger from the book.




I LOVED how huge they made Grey Wind look next to Robb Stark. They did a really good job.

Yep, I was hoping they'd do that. Though that scene never happened in the books I liked it a lot.



I'm also wondering if Osha is going to replace Jojen and Meera Reed as Brann's companion in the upcoming story, they've already started her down that path.

I don't think so. Osha hasn't done anything in the show so far that she didn't do in the books (at this point in the story). Bringing in Jojen and Meera is vital for what happens later so don't think they can advance that storyline w/o bringing them in (especially Jojen).


I really hate what they are doing with Theon. The way they are building him doesn't quite fit with exactly what happens in the book, so I'm interested to see what else they will change. I have a feeling his fanbase is going to drop here shortly!

Ah for those that didn't read the books it is going to be a HUGE shocker down the road...


They are continuing to soften up Cersei and Caitlyn's characters. Not a bad thing for television, and I don't hate anything they've done, it just annoys me a little. I'm still sore over them taking away Caitlyn's line of "it should have been you" to Jon.

I was just telling my wife last night that the actress playing Cersei doesn't do a great job of portraying just how much of a hardcore B***h Cersei really is.



I'm just being picky though. Over all it was a very good episode and I'm super excited about this season even though I believe it will be the worst season of the series in terms of what they have to leave out from the books. Book 2 is a bit bigger than Book 1 and more big events happen that they have to cover in the same time span. At least for Book 3 it looks like they will split the book over 2 seasons which is perfect.


I already know how they're going to end this season (about midway through book 3). Don't see how they can end this season any other way.

Come to think of it, I already know how they're going to end season 3 too.

[ChldsPlay]

POSSIBLE SPOILERS FROM FUTURE EPISODES/SEASONS!!!!!!!!!




Yeah I didn't like seeing Littlefinger get punked like that. Littlefinger's "power" comes from the fact that he doesn't say anything so obvious like he did in that scene. He takes his knowledge and uses it 'behind the scenes' to gain power.

That was very unlike the Littlefinger from the book.






Yep, I was hoping they'd do that. Though that scene never happened in the books I liked it a lot.





I don't think so. Osha hasn't done anything in the show so far that she didn't do in the books (at this point in the story). Bringing in Jojen and Meera is vital for what happens later so don't think they can advance that storyline w/o bringing them in (especially Jojen).




Ah for those that didn't read the books it is going to be a HUGE shocker down the road...




I was just telling my wife last night that the actress playing Cersei doesn't do a great job of portraying just how much of a hardcore B***h Cersei really is.






I already know how they're going to end this season (about midway through book 3). Don't see how they can end this season any other way.

Come to think of it, I already know how they're going to end season 3 too.

That will actually be the end of season three. Season four will be the rest of book 3, with some overlap from Feast/Dragons I'd imagine.

This season will be just book two with some parts from book 3 trickling in.

[viman96]

Is it Sunday yet?! LOL

[Rack Bauer]

That will actually be the end of season three. Season four will be the rest of book 3, with some overlap from Feast/Dragons I'd imagine.

This season will be just book two with some parts from book 3 trickling in.

I seriously doubt they're already gonna be going into book three this season, but wait that long to have mid book three to end that season.

Mid book 3 (the Red Wedding) will be the end to season 2. Either that or Joffrey's wedding.

I'd be happy with either of them.

[ChldsPlay]

I seriously doubt they're already gonna be going into book three this season, but wait that long to have mid book three to end that season.

Mid book 3 (the Red Wedding) will be the end to season 2. Either that or Joffrey's wedding.

I'd be happy with either of them.

Book 3 is being split into seasons 3 and 4, so 2/3 of the way through book 3 won't end season 2. Blackwater Bay is the 2nd to last episode of season 2. There will be a few things trickling in from book 3 (I imagine primarily to do with Jaime) at the end of season 2. The reason for this is because of how a lot of what happens is told through the characters memories, so it's not always chronological. For the show, however, it is pretty much chronological, so those bits that were memories, will now fit in when they actually occur.

I am fairly positive the Red Wedding will be the big ending of season 3, it's the logical stopping point, but there is absolutely no way they could get anywhere close to that far in season 2.

[viman96]

Can we keep spoilers out of this thread? There a lot of us that have not read the books :)

[ChldsPlay]

Can we keep spoilers out of this thread? There a lot of us that have not read the books :)

Them's not spoilers :)

[Chinfu]

Book 3 is being split into seasons 3 and 4, so 2/3 of the way through book 3 won't end season 2. Blackwater Bay is the 2nd to last episode of season 2. There will be a few things trickling in from book 3 (I imagine primarily to do with Jaime) at the end of season 2. The reason for this is because of how a lot of what happens is told through the characters memories, so it's not always chronological. For the show, however, it is pretty much chronological, so those bits that were memories, will now fit in when they actually occur.

I am fairly positive the Red Wedding will be the big ending of season 3, it's the logical stopping point, but there is absolutely no way they could get anywhere close to that far in season 2.

I think you are spot on. Martin originally wanted to end SoS with the Red Wedding.

For those who would like to know more about GoT or discuss the series follow the link below. They have the forums split up by book and HBO series by season/episode and are strict about monitoring posts for spoilers and keeping them in the appropriate forum.

http://www.westeros.org/

[InmanRoshi]

I think the TV adaptation is better than the books. It's definitely telling a much more comprehensive linear narrative, much more efficient in character development and developing the ethos between the characters. It's amazing how GRRM goes on and on for page after page after page beating you over the head with some rather meaningless bit of backstory, while completely ignoring or brushing over more significant that have major impacts on the overall story arc. Then again, that's why I generally stay away from fantasy fiction in general. I can only make it through so many pages of bloodlines before nodding off.

[Meat-O-Rama]

The latest episode ("the Night Lands") was the first one in the series I did not enjoy. It seemed choppy and the acting seemed worse than usual.

[Danny White]

I'm not loving the rather major departures from the source. There's already so much going on with the whole story, I don't see the need to open up new tangents.

These first two have been fairly disappointing, but I'm certainly going to give it a chance to improve as the season moves along.

[theogt]

Renewed for Season 3 today. Not surprising.

[Sam I Am]

Has Tommen or Myrcella been the series at all? I don't recall seeing them and well, the play important parts later.

[Rack Bauer]

Has Tommen or Myrcella been the series at all? I don't recall seeing them and well, the play important parts later.

They did in season 1.

Not so far this season (unless it was a background shot or something).

[ChldsPlay]

They did in season 1.

Not so far this season (unless it was a background shot or something).

They were in the first scene of the season when Tyrion arrives at King's Landing, he talks to one of them.

[Rack Bauer]

They were in the first scene of the season when Tyrion arrives at King's Landing, he talks to one of them.

Ok.


:confused:

[Danny White]

They were in the first scene of the season when Tyrion arrives at King's Landing, he talks to one of them.

Yep, they were definitely in the scene but they weren't identified by name.

Someone just watching the show (as opposed to being familiar with the books) probably wouldn't have identified them.

[Joe Rod]

Things will start picking up a little more, but some patience is needed.

There are a massive amount of new and important characters that they had to introduce and develop in Stannis's clan, Arya's travel companions, the GreyJoys, Renly's group, etc. Honestly, it is a lot to take on in two fifty minute segments. If they didn't commit time to these characters it would make for some confusion and anti-climactic moments later on.

The payoff will come.

[Sam I Am]

They were in the first scene of the season when Tyrion arrives at King's Landing, he talks to one of them.

That's right. I recall that now.

[theogt]

Interesting note from the show's producers on timeline of the series:

Well… “A Storm of Swords” is too long to fit in a single season. And as readers know, “A Feast for Crows” and “A Dance with Dragons” takes place during roughly the same time frame, so we’ll have to fold those together. The plan, if we’re lucky enough to be given the opportunity to see it through, is to use as many seasons as we need to tell the story as a whole, to do justice to George’s entire opus.

We’re not looking at our series as a book-by-book adaptation so much as an adaptation of George’s entire saga. In other words, in our minds season two is not “A Clash of Kings.” It is the second season of our adaptation of “A Song of Ice and Fire.”

[Danny White]

I was really disappointed with how they portrayed the scene where Theon unwittingly meets his sister.

It was one of the funniest chapters in the whole series, and the show just made it very confusing and not ironically funny at all with the way the prank was revealed. It was a scene I was really looking forward to, and it was portrayed very haphazardly.

There have also been some casting choices that disappointed me. Asha Greyjoy (or Yara as they're calling her) was not what I had in mind at all. I really envisioned her better looking, but more cunning. Craster was not at all what I had in mind. Short hair, short and pudgy was not what I was thinking. Jaqen H'gher I had pictured as MUCH more mystical looking. And Salador Sahn I picture much more exotic and wild as well.

The actress they have as Brienne looks physically imposing enough, but they damn well better not make her good looking. She needs to look tough and no-nonsense, and quite frankly, ugly.

[Sam I Am]

I was really disappointed with how they portrayed the scene where Theon unwittingly meets his sister.

It was one of the funniest chapters in the whole series, and the show just made it very confusing and not ironically funny at all with the way the prank was revealed. It was a scene I was really looking forward to, and it was portrayed very haphazardly.

There have also been some casting choices that disappointed me. Asha Greyjoy (or Yara as they're calling her) was not what I had in mind at all. I really envisioned her better looking, but more cunning. Craster was not at all what I had in mind. Short hair, short and pudgy was not what I was thinking. Jaqen H'gher I had pictured as MUCH more mystical looking. And Salador Sahn I picture much more exotic and wild as well.

The actress they have as Brienne looks physically imposing enough, but they damn well better not make her good looking. She needs to look tough and no-nonsense, and quite frankly, ugly.

I didn't really have a problem with Theon / sister part. I didn't figure that would go that in depth for it. It would consume to much time.

As for Asha, yes. I expected someone quite a bit better looking, but no so good looking that she wouldn't look like she couldn't command. (have authority) Probably someone similar to Cersei make up.

I don't recall seeing Brienne. I will have to re-watch the episode again and look closer.

[Danny White]

I didn't really have a problem with Theon / sister part. I didn't figure that would go that in depth for it. It would consume to much time.

As for Asha, yes. I expected someone quite a bit better looking, but no so good looking that she wouldn't look like she couldn't command. (have authority) Probably someone similar to Cersei make up.

I don't recall seeing Brienne. I will have to re-watch the episode again and look closer.

Brienne hasn't been introduced yet onscreen, but the actress playing her has been public info for a while now.

Here's something I just found online... looks like they do ugly her up a little bit:

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/29300000/Brienne-of-Tarth-jaime-and-brienne-29370766-768-432.jpg

[Danny White]

As for Asha, just do a google search of her name and you'll see fan depictions of what they thought she'd look like that are way closer to what I had in mind then what they went with on the show:

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/29700000/asoiaf-a-song-of-ice-and-fire-29748700-600-400.jpg


http://visionsoiaf.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/regodon-asha-greyjoy.jpg


http://digital-art-gallery.com/oid/41/640x1162_8364_Asha_2d_fantasy_ship_girl_woman_viki ng_picture_image_digital_art.jpg


http://www.deviantart.com/download/72929755/Asha_Greyjoy_by_jekaa.jpg

[theogt]

Fantastic episode yesterday.

Also, was probably the best episode of Mad Men in its history.

The new HBO show "Girls" looked promising too. All around good Sunday night programming.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I need a cheat sheet for Game of Thrones. Who is good, who is bad, who is related to who, who is allied with whom, who hates whom.

[Yeagermeister]

I need a cheat sheet for Game of Thrones. Who is good, who is bad, who is related to who, who is allied with whom, who hates whom.

Good luck with that. It changes every episode. :laugh2:

[BrAinPaiNt]

I need a cheat sheet for Game of Thrones. Who is good, who is bad, who is related to who, who is allied with whom, who hates whom.

You would have to read the books and even if you did, it changes at the drop of a dime.

Don't recall having ever read a series of books where so many main characters die off when you think they would not. Not only that there are some characters that you think are dead only to show back up.

[Sam I Am]

You would have to read the books and even if you did, it changes at the drop of a dime.

Don't recall having ever read a series of books where so many main characters die off when you think they would not. Not only that there are some characters that you think are dead only to show back up.

Stop ruining it for the GoT n00bs! :laugh2:

[Teren_Kanan]

Fantastic Episode

LOVED the Theon/Balon scenes. Balon is fantastic, the added dialogue was fantastic.. everything about those scenes were amazing.

Brienne is awesome, and they pronounce her name the same way I always did in my head while reading. The woman looks HUGE in her scene next to Caitlyn.

The Final scene was awesome. Yoren/Lommy's death.. fantastically done.

Asha (Yara) wasn't what I expected, but she is growing on me really fast.

The Sansa scene was impressive. She showed some very fine acting going off on Shae looking like she was about to break down.

As for Shae? Do not like the show Shae at all, massively annoying.

[Alumni2k11]

I did a GOT marathon yesterday, watched all 13 episodes in 1 day. Pretty good show. Looking forward to the rest of the season.

[Sam I Am]

Wow. Now that is a complete distortion of of actually happen. I can understand needed chances, but complete disgraces of the story-line are unforgivable.

I'm extremely disappointed.

[theogt]

Who cares. It was good TV.

[viman96]

I have not read the books so no idea on the storyline. Having said that I thought last night's episode was really good. IMO best of the early season.

[Sam I Am]

I have not read the books so no idea on the storyline. Having said that I thought last night's episode was really good. IMO best of the early season.

They are really screwing Littlefinger up. (among a few other things)

That scene between Littlefinger and Catelyn never happen. (that I can remember anyhow, Baelish was never near the Stark host) Catelyn always threw logic to the wind when it came to saving her children. She didn't have to be coerced into something foolish.

They are making Littlefinger more openly bold. He was devious for sure, but he was never so bold to openly threaten the queen to her face or openly lie about something that could easily be tracked back to him. (which would mean his head would be on a spike) He always kept his lies subtle and easily deniable. That is how he always survived.

[Yeagermeister]

Who cares. It was good TV.

I have not read the books so no idea on the storyline. Having said that I thought last night's episode was really good. IMO best of the early season.

I agree. I don't plan on reading the books for that reason. Just enjoy the show and don't worry about how it happened in the books.

WTH happened at the end of the episode?

[Teren_Kanan]

WTH happened at the end of the episode?


This was my main problem with the episode. As a book reader i knew what was going on there, but they didn't explain it at all in the show, not one little bit. I imaged a non book reader would just be scratching their head at the last scene, and have no idea where Davos and Melisandre even were or why Stannis wanted them there.

Hopefully they do some backtracking next episode to explain.

I *HATE* The new actor playing Gregor the Mountain. He certainly is tall enough, but no where near big enough or angry enough looking. The actor from the first season was perfect. Shame he's gone.

From a book readers standpoint the changes to Caitlyns and Littlefingers charactesr are slightly annoying, but it's still good television, and as a stand alone product, there is nothing wrong with it.

[theogt]

I thought they foreshadowed it enough with her telling Renly about dangerous things in the night -- I mean, Davos even repeated the line just before.

[Danny White]

I'm finding the second season to be a major disappointment thus far.

The first season was perfection, and so far, this one is a let-down.

It's going to be difficult to have episodes as tight as they had in the first season, as the storylines multiply so much and there is so much to cover... but then why change the story so much and add complications to the mix?

Adapting this for TV is probably a lot harder than it seems, but right now I'm a little worried about where they're taking things.

[Double Trouble]

I'm finding the second season to be a major disappointment thus far.

The first season was perfection, and so far, this one is a let-down.

It's going to be difficult to have episodes as tight as they had in the first season, as the storylines multiply so much and there is so much to cover... but then why change the story so much and add complications to the mix?

Adapting this for TV is probably a lot harder than it seems, but right now I'm a little worried about where they're taking things.

I thought the first couple episodes were a little slow, but I thought last night's episode was fantastic.

[Meat-O-Rama]

I thought the first couple episodes were a little slow, but I thought last night's episode was fantastic.

Ditto that.

[theogt]

I'm finding the second season to be a major disappointment thus far.

The first season was perfection, and so far, this one is a let-down.

It's going to be difficult to have episodes as tight as they had in the first season, as the storylines multiply so much and there is so much to cover... but then why change the story so much and add complications to the mix?

Adapting this for TV is probably a lot harder than it seems, but right now I'm a little worried about where they're taking things.I whole heartedly disagree. The last three episodes have been spectacular. Episode 13 was, in my opinion, easily the best of the entire series.

[ChldsPlay]

I thought they did well combining the pieces from the books into one event. Last week with combining 2 parts from Arya's story to get them to Harrenhal much faster, and this last episode combining things with Melissandre and eliminating what has thus far in the books been a pretty dead end of a plot line, and one that if important later can be introduced pretty easily in another way.

I'm pretty sure the viewers will know exactly what happened, and why Stannis sent them there early on in the next episode. It should become pretty clear.

I had a feeling the TV version of this book would come off a lot better when compared to it's counterparts than the book fares against it's counterparts, and so far it's proving me right. I think they're doing a great job trimming some fat and the last few episodes have been very tight and productive.

[Joe Rod]

I'm finding the second season to be a major disappointment thus far.

The first season was perfection, and so far, this one is a let-down.

It's going to be difficult to have episodes as tight as they had in the first season, as the storylines multiply so much and there is so much to cover... but then why change the story so much and add complications to the mix?

Adapting this for TV is probably a lot harder than it seems, but right now I'm a little worried about where they're taking things.

I have a few points of contention so far myself, but I would disagree with a few in particular.

They are doing an excellent job with the story-line for Tyrion.

I also like that they are giving more time to Robb Stark than they did in the book, which I think is a good thing.

Arya's story is being developed well.

They are doing a fantastic job with Joffrey. That kid is even meaner than in the book!

[Danny White]

I have a few points of contention so far myself, but I would disagree with a few in particular.

They are doing an excellent job with the story-line for Tyrion.

I also like that they are giving more time to Robb Stark than they did in the book, which I think is a good thing.

Arya's story is being developed well.

They are doing a fantastic job with Joffrey. That kid is even meaner than in the book!

Maybe I'm being to critical. I am still enjoying watching it. My expectations were so high, though, after the first season.

[dez_for_prez]

Is there sub tittles when the Tygarians talk on HBO? I downloaded a season 1 torrent and it doesn't have any. Just wondering if I should look for another torrent.

[ChldsPlay]

Is there sub tittles when the Tygarians talk on HBO? I downloaded a season 1 torrent and it doesn't have any. Just wondering if I should look for another torrent.

??

Why would they subtitle English (assuming Tygarians = Targaryens).

There are subtitles for the Dothraki, if it doesn't have that, you might try a legal copy.

[The Ominous]

I thought that episode was one of the best of the series, if not the best. Just amazing!

Every episode from here on out should be balls to the ancient walls FANTASTIC!

[Zordon]

i'm intrigued by the ex-prisoner genie.

[theogt]

I thought that episode was one of the best of the series, if not the best. Just amazing!

Every episode from here on out should be balls to the ancient walls FANTASTIC!It was very good. This has been an awesome season. Didn't think they could get that much better than the first.

[Yeagermeister]

It's tough being a king. :laugh1:

[ethiostar]

I couldn't stand King Joffrey when i read the books (I know, not many liked him) and I didn't think I was possible to detest him any more than I already did. However, the kid playing him is doing such an excellent job and proving me wrong.

http://www.japong.net/joffface02.jpg

[Sam I Am]

I couldn't stand King Joffrey when i read the books (I know, not many liked him) and I didn't think I was possible to detest him any more than I already did. However, the kid playing him is doing such an excellent job and proving me wrong.

http://www.japong.net/joffface02.jpg

He and Tyrion both deserve one of these thus far for this season.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dd/Oscar_statuette.jpg/220px-Oscar_statuette.jpg

[BrAinPaiNt]

He and Tyrion both deserve one of these thus far for this season.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dd/Oscar_statuette.jpg/220px-Oscar_statuette.jpg

I loved Tyrion smacking him the first season.

[ChldsPlay]

He and Tyrion both deserve one of these thus far for this season.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/dd/Oscar_statuette.jpg/220px-Oscar_statuette.jpg

You mean one of these:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/EmmyAward.png

[Sam I Am]

You mean one of these:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/EmmyAward.png

Probably. I dont watch award show. :laugh2:

[The Ominous]

I think Maisie Williams (Arya) should get an emmy nomination as well. The acting on this show is mind boggling considering all of the content and characters. Especially the child actors!

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think Maisie Williams (Arya) should get an emmy nomination as well. The acting on this show is mind boggling considering all of the content and characters. Especially the child actors!

She did a nice job in this last episode when she is talking with Lannister. I loved how he smiled at her at one point but she gives him that stare and says everyone can be killed...wiped the smile right off his face. :laugh2:

[Zordon]

She did a nice job in this last episode when she is talking with Lannister. I loved how he smiled at her at one point but she gives him that stare and says everyone can be killed...wiped the smile right off his face. :laugh2:
yeah that was the best scene of the episode.

[Yeagermeister]

She did a nice job in this last episode when she is talking with Lannister. I loved how he smiled at her at one point but she gives him that stare and says everyone can be killed...wiped the smile right off his face. :laugh2:

and pushed his food away :laugh2:

[Sam I Am]

Arya is my second favorite character after Tyrion.

[Meat-O-Rama]

Arya is my second favorite character after Tyrion.

Me as well.

[DFWJC]

Season two started out a bit scattered but is now coming into focus.
Really enjoying it!

[Romo 2 Austin]

I have finally caught up with the season. Tyrion is by far the best character.

[Danny White]

I loved Tyrion smacking him the first season.

qYNeT2nzEgA

[Teren_Kanan]

So... Many.. Changes.

[BrAinPaiNt]

So... Many.. Changes.

Yes. Funny thing is I know for sure of some changes but there are also times I don't remember exactly how it happens in the book but think it has been changed. Been some time since I read the early books and even then so much happens that it is hard to remember all the details so there are times where I can't remember if it is the same on the show but seems to be different.

[Sam I Am]

So... Many.. Changes.

Yeah, Baelish is getting **** loads of frequent flyer miles I don't recall him getting in the books. :laugh2:


Yes. Funny thing is I know for sure of some changes but there are also times I don't remember exactly how it happens in the book but think it has been changed. Been some time since I read the early books and even then so much happens that it is hard to remember all the details so there are times where I can't remember if it is the same on the show but seems to be different.

Yeah, I have that problem too. It's been long enough that I can't remember exactly how some parts went down, but when they deviate, especially as much as they have in some places. It's pretty easy to recognize.

[BraveHeartFan]

I'm a little late to the party on this series but my wife brought home the first season the other day from her sister.

I've watched the first couple of episodes and I'll be honest...so far...I don't get the draw.


Now I know I've not watched long enough to be invested in the characters much (My wife has watched almost the entire first season and loves it) but so far I'm just not digging the show much. It always seems like when the show starts to pick up, and start to go somewhere with the story, that all the sudden it switches to a random and pointless soft core porn scene.


I know that's probably a huge draw to most folks and to each their own but for me personally it's pointless and stupid and interrupts the story. If I want to see a naked woman, and sex, I'll go have sex with my wife where I'm actually taking part in the act and not watching two goofs on a TV show do it.




I'm going to try and give the show another couple chances to see if I can get into it, because some of the other stuff seems like it might turn out to be very cool. THe whol political side of things within the kingdoms, and the double crossing, and plotting.

But I'm just not sure that I'm going to care to much for a show with a bunch of stupid sex scenes thrown in just for the sake of having sex scenes in the show to be more edgy.


Jury is still out on this show for me.

[Rack Bauer]

But I'm just not sure that I'm going to care to much for a show with a bunch of stupid sex scenes thrown in just for the sake of having sex scenes in the show to be more edgy.

It's not to be edgy. If you'd read the books you would know that.

[ChldsPlay]

I'm a little late to the party on this series but my wife brought home the first season the other day from her sister.

I've watched the first couple of episodes and I'll be honest...so far...I don't get the draw.


Now I know I've not watched long enough to be invested in the characters much (My wife has watched almost the entire first season and loves it) but so far I'm just not digging the show much. It always seems like when the show starts to pick up, and start to go somewhere with the story, that all the sudden it switches to a random and pointless soft core porn scene.


I know that's probably a huge draw to most folks and to each their own but for me personally it's pointless and stupid and interrupts the story. If I want to see a naked woman, and sex, I'll go have sex with my wife where I'm actually taking part in the act and not watching two goofs on a TV show do it.




I'm going to try and give the show another couple chances to see if I can get into it, because some of the other stuff seems like it might turn out to be very cool. THe whol political side of things within the kingdoms, and the double crossing, and plotting.

But I'm just not sure that I'm going to care to much for a show with a bunch of stupid sex scenes thrown in just for the sake of having sex scenes in the show to be more edgy.


Jury is still out on this show for me.

The scenes aren't pointless, there's more to them than just the sex, they just happen to have sex in them.

[jnday]

I'm a little late to the party on this series but my wife brought home the first season the other day from her sister.

I've watched the first couple of episodes and I'll be honest...so far...I don't get the draw.


Now I know I've not watched long enough to be invested in the characters much (My wife has watched almost the entire first season and loves it) but so far I'm just not digging the show much. It always seems like when the show starts to pick up, and start to go somewhere with the story, that all the sudden it switches to a random and pointless soft core porn scene.


I know that's probably a huge draw to most folks and to each their own but for me personally it's pointless and stupid and interrupts the story. If I want to see a naked woman, and sex, I'll go have sex with my wife where I'm actually taking part in the act and not watching two goofs on a TV show do it.




I'm going to try and give the show another couple chances to see if I can get into it, because some of the other stuff seems like it might turn out to be very cool. THe whol political side of things within the kingdoms, and the double crossing, and plotting.

But I'm just not sure that I'm going to care to much for a show with a bunch of stupid sex scenes thrown in just for the sake of having sex scenes in the show to be more edgy.


Jury is still out on this show for me.

I take it that you don't like Spartacus on the Starz network.

[BraveHeartFan]

I take it that you don't like Spartacus on the Starz network.


I don't have Starz so I've never seen it.

[BraveHeartFan]

The scenes aren't pointless, there's more to them than just the sex, they just happen to have sex in them.


The ones in the first couple of episodes I've seen were absolutely pointless.

What exactly did the scene add to the story when the Barbarian dude bent his wife over to have sex with her? To show that they were having sex and she didn't really want to? I already knew that when she told her brother she really didn't want to marry him.

The little midget dude getting ready to have sex with the prostitute, though I don't recall there actually being any sex in that scene, adds what exactly? That a midget dude has sex?

Pointless stuff. To me anyway.

Now there was one sex scene in the first episode that was necassary as it added to the story and progressed it along and thats when the good guys son catches the brother and sister having sex. Which was...yuck. Brother and sister? Damn.

They gave you the storyline progressing of them being in love, him hurting the guys son, and obviously gave you something to think about hte consequences of going forward if the good guy finds out.

But again I do understand that some people will find that as a draw or it will add something to the show or story for them. I'm just not sure what it's supposed to add and just seemed very random and pointless to me, save that one scene I mentioned earlier.

[BraveHeartFan]

It's not to be edgy. If you'd read the books you would know that.

Didn't even know they were books until very recently. The books are likely, as they almost always are anyway, better anyway.

I don't generally gadge a movie, or show, by the way the books do it because the movie or show doesn't generally do the books justice.

From my experience anyway.

[jnday]

I don't have Starz so I've never seen it.

It is full of plotless sex. I like it, but from your comments you wouldn't.

[Romo 2 Austin]

How exactly does Winterfell fall to like 50 men? That made no sense to me.

[Reality]

How exactly does Winterfell fall to like 50 men? That made no sense to me.

Remember the bulk of the soldiers had already left with Robb Stark long ago and Bran Stark just sent 200 of the remaining men to help defend the village which Theon had attacked. Theon did this on purpose I believe to make Winterfell less protected so he could take control of it.

#reality

[Reality]

Jury is still out on this show for me.

I agree in general that the sex scenes are very explicit and well beyond what is necessary to tell the story. I am sure the (tv show) writers have focused on those scenes as a way to draw in potential viewers that would otherwise not care for the show. That being said, I do believe they serve a purpose and that is to show the brutality and barbarity of that time. They do the same thing with explicit violence but non-stop violence wears on viewers eventually.

The tv show is okay but it is not a great story in my opinion. I have not read the books, though I just recently bought the first two and plan to start reading them in a few days. I suspect the books will provide a better story line with a better progression system with details that are just too mundane for the time allocated to tv shows. The tv show is good in that it is better than most other tv shows currently airing but the story feels unbearably slow some times and at other times jumps around too quickly between locations.

#reality

[Romo 2 Austin]

Remember the bulk of the soldiers had already left with Robb Stark long ago and Bran Stark just sent 200 of the remaining men to help defend the village which Theon had attacked. Theon did this on purpose I believe to make Winterfell less protected so he could take control of it.

#reality

I suppose that makes sense but the numbers just frustrate me, if Robb Starkk is marching around with about 100,000 people it just seems illogical that Theon and 50 people can take over the castle. Also the fact that when you had Bran yield the city to Theon the scene had like 30 people and it was very anti-climatic.

[Sam I Am]

I suppose that makes sense but the numbers just frustrate me, if Robb Starkk is marching around with about 100,000 people it just seems illogical that Theon and 50 people can take over the castle. Also the fact that when you had Bran yield the city to Theon the scene had like 30 people and it was very anti-climatic.

The only thing at Winterfell's back is the Wall. Rob thought Theon was going to bring the Greyjoys to join them, instead they attacked them. Rob didn't think he had anything to fear. He was wrong. He is a green king. :laugh2:

[Teren_Kanan]

I suppose that makes sense but the numbers just frustrate me, if Robb Starkk is marching around with about 100,000 people it just seems illogical that Theon and 50 people can take over the castle. Also the fact that when you had Bran yield the city to Theon the scene had like 30 people and it was very anti-climatic.


Robb Stark. 100,000 people?
It's been stated a few times he only has about 20,000.

Anyhow.

There have been a lot of changes made to the series. Almost all of them I've understood. Things have to be done differently when you are working with a different form of media. There also has to be fat trimming to fit everything into a 10 episode TV show.

Arya has had her storyline drastically changed. All of her changes have been more or less perfectly acceptable. They aren't changing her "Character", just her storyline.

Adding screen time to some of the more minor characters also doesn't bother me much. Littlefinger is a good example of this. I haven't had much of a problem with how they have handled him, except for his stupidity in the Cersei confrontation (out of character for him), and his "Hey Cait, Your husband just died and I helped that happen, do you want to go out on a date? Btw Here's your husbands bones". Even from a storyline standpoint it just felt stupid.

But starting with last weeks episode, and continuing on into this one, I've had my first real anger towards changes made. Trimming fat and showing things in a different way is one thing, but changing a character's defining characteristics is another.

The last two weeks have just crapped all over Jon Snow's character compared to the book. Jon Snow volunteering to go on an assassination mission is atrocious. Jon Snow is the fairly typical good guy, with strong influences from his father Ned. "hey I wanna go on this sneaking mission to merc people in the night" is SO out of character for him, and not at all how it happened in the books.

The Halfhand wanted Jon with him, due to his Stark heritage, and his Dire Wolf. The mission was to gather information on the wildlings. In the books it is never presented as "Hey see those fires? Yeah we are gonna go sneak up on them and slit their throats".

And then you have Halfhand offer to kill Ygritte, and Jon is like "No I'll do it". What? This is such a drastic change from his character in the books and it makes me very sad. And even from a TV show standpoint, given everything we know about Ned, and how good of a person Jon thinks his father was, it's just too much of a stretch to imagine Jon Volunteering to go on an assassination mission.

Now maybe the fact that you don't get Jon's inner monologue makes this really hard to pull off, but the way it's been done is pretty bad.

Hell, what these moments in the book clarify for you, is that Jon isn't the type to murder defenseless people, even if they are his enemies. These moments just fortify the "White knight" aspect of his character in the books. They seem to do the opposite in the TV show.

Ah well. It's still good television.

[Teren_Kanan]

I suppose that makes sense but the numbers just frustrate me, if Robb Starkk is marching around with about 100,000 people it just seems illogical that Theon and 50 people can take over the castle. Also the fact that when you had Bran yield the city to Theon the scene had like 30 people and it was very anti-climatic.


I can assure you it happens much the same in the book. Winterfell has no known enemies around it, and the garrison left behind is lured out. I don't think Theon even has 50 people in the books. Just like the books, he shows up, and makes Bran yield the castle. It is fairly anti-climatic.

[Danny White]

I thought the episode last week was very strong, but this one this week just had me shaking my head.

The whole scene with Arya, Tywin and Littlefinger was an absurd and pointless departure from the text.

I understand it's Hollywood, but the actress playing Ygritte is way too "pretty" for her character. And as mentioned earlier here, the scenes of her and Jon are all wrong.

And then the ending with Dany and the Dragons is just nonsense.

I really want to give this second season a chance but they're making it difficult. I love these characters so much, it's tough watching them bastardized like this.

[theogt]

Yes, this episode was weaker than the rest.

[Sam I Am]

The little midget dude getting ready to have sex with the prostitute, though I don't recall there actually being any sex in that scene, adds what exactly? That a midget dude has sex?

Pointless stuff. To me anyway.

Not pointless at all. That is the character Tyrion. That is the way he is in the books so that is the way he is portrayed in the show.

You should probably just give up watching it. You already seem to have formed an extremely negative view about the show due to the sex scenes to the point that you can't see the quality of the acting and story-line. I promise you. It's not going to get better as the sex scenes will continue.

I've got to admit though. I've never seen someone so turned off by sex scenes except god fearing holy-roller extremist. I don't see you as one of those, so I can't figure out why you are so much against them.

[BrAinPaiNt]

The ones in the first couple of episodes I've seen were absolutely pointless.

What exactly did the scene add to the story when the Barbarian dude bent his wife over to have sex with her? To show that they were having sex and she didn't really want to? I already knew that when she told her brother she really didn't want to marry him.

There is more than it just being her not wanting to. It was not a marriage of love it was a marriage of trade so there was no love in it for either partner. Also to be noted that he had sex with her in a certain style because the people are part of a horse culture. Later she makes him face her and that is when the relationship becomes more than just a trade but blossoms into a love relationship. So there are reasons for it.

The little midget dude getting ready to have sex with the prostitute, though I don't recall there actually being any sex in that scene, adds what exactly? That a midget dude has sex?

It is part of his character and if you read the books, or wait till later in the show you will understand it. You will understand what happened with his first love and wife and how that shaped him. You will also understand that tells Jon Snow that instead of letting people hurt you by denying your condition (dwarf or illegitimate child) that you should own it so they know it does not hurt you. He takes that a step further and sense he is already seen as a freak he augments it to being a pervert and a man that drinks a great deal. Later in the books and shows he also starts to fall in love again and it winds up being something that happens again that will further probably guide him to remain a person that drinks and lays with prostitutes. It really does fit his character and you will realize that later.

Pointless stuff. To me anyway.

Now there was one sex scene in the first episode that was necassary as it added to the story and progressed it along and thats when the good guys son catches the brother and sister having sex. Which was...yuck. Brother and sister? Damn.

They gave you the storyline progressing of them being in love, him hurting the guys son, and obviously gave you something to think about hte consequences of going forward if the good guy finds out.

But again I do understand that some people will find that as a draw or it will add something to the show or story for them. I'm just not sure what it's supposed to add and just seemed very random and pointless to me, save that one scene I mentioned earlier.

Oddly enough there was a scene that you did not mention that was shown in the show that really did not need to happen...that was Theon with the prostitute. Although parts of that were in the book they augmented it later in the show when he was chasing down the wagon she was on while she was leaving town and that was not in the books that I remember.

So the show does have some sex in it just for the sake of sex but more often than not it does play a role in the specific characters.

If sex or nudity in shows bothers you I would suggest you not watch that and many other series on the movie channels as many times they do show a great deal of nudity and sex.

Hope that helps.:cool:

[BraveHeartFan]

I agree in general that the sex scenes are very explicit and well beyond what is necessary to tell the story. I am sure the (tv show) writers have focused on those scenes as a way to draw in potential viewers that would otherwise not care for the show. That being said, I do believe they serve a purpose and that is to show the brutality and barbarity of that time. They do the same thing with explicit violence but non-stop violence wears on viewers eventually.

The tv show is okay but it is not a great story in my opinion. I have not read the books, though I just recently bought the first two and plan to start reading them in a few days. I suspect the books will provide a better story line with a better progression system with details that are just too mundane for the time allocated to tv shows. The tv show is good in that it is better than most other tv shows currently airing but the story feels unbearably slow some times and at other times jumps around too quickly between locations.

#reality

Yeah I'm slowly starting to like the show more. It's not the best thing I've ever seen but I'm starting to like the show more.


Not pointless at all. That is the character Tyrion. That is the way he is in the books so that is the way he is portrayed in the show.

You should probably just give up watching it. You already seem to have formed an extremely negative view about the show due to the sex scenes to the point that you can't see the quality of the acting and story-line. I promise you. It's not going to get better as the sex scenes will continue.

I've got to admit though. I've never seen someone so turned off by sex scenes except god fearing holy-roller extremist. I don't see you as one of those, so I can't figure out why you are so much against them.

It's not a turn off or something have anything against anyone doing for their shows or movies, or that anyone enjoys watching it, it just doesn't seem necassary to me and that sort of thing just sorta bogs the show down to me.

It's just a meh situation to me. It's not something I'm personally offended by.


That said I'm starting to like the show a little more now. Having watched a few more episodes it's allowed to like certain characters and really dislike others.



There is more than it just being her not wanting to. It was not a marriage of love it was a marriage of trade so there was no love in it for either partner. Also to be noted that he had sex with her in a certain style because the people are part of a horse culture. Later she makes him face her and that is when the relationship becomes more than just a trade but blossoms into a love relationship. So there are reasons for it.



It is part of his character and if you read the books, or wait till later in the show you will understand it. You will understand what happened with his first love and wife and how that shaped him. You will also understand that tells Jon Snow that instead of letting people hurt you by denying your condition (dwarf or illegitimate child) that you should own it so they know it does not hurt you. He takes that a step further and sense he is already seen as a freak he augments it to being a pervert and a man that drinks a great deal. Later in the books and shows he also starts to fall in love again and it winds up being something that happens again that will further probably guide him to remain a person that drinks and lays with prostitutes. It really does fit his character and you will realize that later.



Oddly enough there was a scene that you did not mention that was shown in the show that really did not need to happen...that was Theon with the prostitute. Although parts of that were in the book they augmented it later in the show when he was chasing down the wagon she was on while she was leaving town and that was not in the books that I remember.

So the show does have some sex in it just for the sake of sex but more often than not it does play a role in the specific characters.

If sex or nudity in shows bothers you I would suggest you not watch that and many other series on the movie channels as many times they do show a great deal of nudity and sex.

Hope that helps.:cool:


Again doesn't bother me. Just seemed really dumb and pointless. To each their own on that stuff. I don't begrudge anyone liking the scenes, or the use of them, or the people who put them in there.

For me it's just like you're going along in the show and then all the sudden you're "Oh. Another sex scene. Wow. Great."

Nothing more. It's not a bothered thing just a "Geez, again?" thing.

But I am starting to like the show more. I'm now to the point where the main King has died and I'm pretty sure his ***** of a wife, and her sorry son, are going to conspire to have the owner of the whore house double cross Ned and kill him.

Just the feeling I have going in to.

[Sam I Am]

That said I'm starting to like the show a little more now. Having watched a few more episodes it's allowed to like certain characters and really dislike others.



That's good! GRRM has created some awesome characters and HBO has done a hell of a job casting them. Some of the castings are so spot on it's crazy. (Eddard, Arya, Imp, Catelyn, Joffrey, Cersei, I could go on and on)

[BraveHeartFan]

That's good! GRRM has created some awesome characters and HBO has done a hell of a job casting them. Some of the castings are so spot on it's crazy. (Eddard, Arya, Imp, Catelyn, Joffrey, Cersei, I could go on and on)


Yeah I kinda wish I'd read the books now. I'd never heard of the stuff before a couple weeks ago when my wife started talking about it.

[DFWJC]

Enjoyed the latest episode, but the ending was very distrubing.
What's new I guess, as they tend to end each episode in shocking fashion.
Two more to go.

[Yeagermeister]

Enjoyed the latest episode, but the ending was very distrubing.
What's new I guess, as they tend to end each episode in shocking fashion.
Two more to go.

They really need more than 13 episodes per season

[Sam I Am]

Enjoyed the latest episode, but the ending was very distrubing.
What's new I guess, as they tend to end each episode in shocking fashion.
Two more to go.

Where is the carpet? :laugh2:

[Sam I Am]

They really need more than 13 episodes per season

Season, smeashon. They need to just keep going every week until they've completely caught up with the books. :D

[Yeagermeister]

Season, smeashon. They need to just keep going every week until they've completely caught up with the books. :D

There are just too many story lines for 13 episodes

[Rack Bauer]

They really need more than 13 episodes per season

13? According to IMDB it's only 10 episodes this season (and it was only 10 last season as well).

[Yeagermeister]

13? According to IMDB it's only 10 episodes this season (and it was only 10 last season as well).

Is it only 10? I haven't checked. Usually HBO series run 13.

[Teren_Kanan]

Yeah, it's 10 per season.

But rejoice, Book 3 is going to be split into 2 seasons! At least this way they wont' have to trim so much fat.

Last nights episode was great. They fixed my problem with Tywin not immediately realizing Arya is highborn, even though they gave him lines from Roose Bolton in Dance with Dragons to do it.

Ygritte is fantastic.

[BrAinPaiNt]

As I was watching the show last night...I was thinking, man for those that have not read the books it must be pretty wild not knowing what is going to happen in a couple of cases.

[Teren_Kanan]

As I was watching the show last night...I was thinking, man for those that have not read the books it must be pretty wild not knowing what is going to happen in a couple of cases.

True enough.

Though as a book reader I'd certainly like to know what the heck is going on in Qarth! =p

[ChldsPlay]

True enough.

Though as a book reader I'd certainly like to know what the heck is going on in Qarth! =p

As a book reader I'm noticing a significant lack of children in the north.

[speedkilz88]

Enjoyed the latest episode, but the ending was very distrubing.
What's new I guess, as they tend to end each episode in shocking fashion.
Two more to go.I see three left on imdb.

[DFWJC]

I see three left on imdb.
So was last Sunday (May 13) the 7th episode?

Maybe at the end when they advertise two more episodes, they are saying there will a normal episode next week and then a two hour final episode?

[viman96]

Last week definitely said just two more episodes left.

[The Ominous]

There are 3 episodes left. The titles are "The Prince of Winterfell", "Blackwater", and "Valar Morghulis".

[DFWJC]

There are 3 episodes left. The titles are "The Prince of Winterfell", "Blackwater", and "Valar Morghulis".
My question was, are the last two going to be shown on the same night?

[The Ominous]

My question was, are the last two going to be shown on the same night?

No. Next episode is May 20th, then May 27th, then the finale on June 3rd.

[couchscout]

Last week definitely said just two more episodes left.


Incomplete.

Last week definitely said just two more episodes left until the finale.

[DFWJC]

Incomplete.

Last week definitely said just two more episodes left until the finale.
That makes sense.
thx

[viman96]

Incomplete.

Last week definitely said just two more episodes left until the finale.

Ah....I see said the blind man...

That would make sense why some of us were confused :)

[Yeagermeister]

I just rewatched it and unless they changed it from Sunday it said three episodes left.

[a_minimalist]

Glad to see there are some who love "Game of Thrones" on here. I've skimmed through most of the conversation. Hopefully I'm not about to repeat what's already been said.

I couldn't be anymore frustrated with this season. One of my favorite parts is the story told beyond the wall. They've deviated from the original storyline to the point where they don't even resemble each other in the slightest way, besides the fact that they are, beyond the wall.

This is the first time I've watched a season knowing what would happen. After watching Game of Thrones I went out and bought every book thinking I would be able to read each book before each season.

But, much to my chagrin season two is littered with so much of book three I had to stop watching and might miss the last 3 episodes so that I could read A Storm of Swords first. I'm on page 750 or so and it's amazing how much of book 3 is in this season. There are parts that I still haven't reached in book 3 that are in this season. It's amazing how many times they took the liberty and completely changed the storyline. So much for brevity, just retell it in your own uninteresting way. I mean they probably shouldn't have called it Game of Thrones. At this point they are really just borrowing from the story, which I have no problem with, but they are shaming the original story.

Again, what happens beyond the wall is a completely different story. It's not even remotely close to what happens in the book, which IMO is the second best narrative that takes place in the books--King's Landing being the best. I fear for what else they are going to do to the story. Part of me wishes I never read A Clash of Kings so that I didn't have the desire to read each book before each season. But, the books literally take a giant steaming pile of **** on the HBO series.

If this is what they are going to do, season 3 should resemble most of book 3. Season 4 will resemble some of book 3 and some of book 4. So, here's to hoping George R.R. Martin finishes at the pace of HBO. And if he does, maybe they will show a little more confidence in the show and its ability to be a long term show aired on HBO and respect the storyline and the ability of the average human being to stay focused on a show that doesn't involve sex, slaughter, and deceit every 3 minutes.

And I'm finished. I probably sound like a snotty little *******, but I love the books and feel like they are being mistreated. I get hollywood and their oh-so-entitled need to sensationalize everything, but IMO they are going overboard when it's not even remotely necessary.

[Sam I Am]

It's amazing how many times they took the liberty and completely changed the storyline. So much for brevity, just retell it in your own uninteresting way. I mean they probably shouldn't have called it Game of Thrones. At this point they are really just borrowing from the story, which I have no problem with, but they are shaming the original story.

It's all relative.

Read The Borne Identity book, then watch the move. That makes the changes in The Game of Thrones seem microscopic. I think there are about 6 things in the book The Borne Identity that match the movie. His and her name being two of them. A third being he was supposed to kill someone on a ship. 4th is the FBI is chasing him, 5th going to Paris, and I can't think of the 6th right now. Nothing else between book and movie matched. I mean COMPLETELY different story. :lmao2:

I will say this though. Both the book and movie The Borne Identity are very good to read / watch! Just like The Game of Thrones.

[theogt]

Glad to see there are some who love "Game of Thrones" on here. I've skimmed through most of the conversation. Hopefully I'm not about to repeat what's already been said.

I couldn't be anymore frustrated with this season. One of my favorite parts is the story told beyond the wall. They've deviated from the original storyline to the point where they don't even resemble each other in the slightest way, besides the fact that they are, beyond the wall.

This is the first time I've watched a season knowing what would happen. After watching Game of Thrones I went out and bought every book thinking I would be able to read each book before each season.

But, much to my chagrin season two is littered with so much of book three I had to stop watching and might miss the last 3 episodes so that I could read A Storm of Swords first. I'm on page 750 or so and it's amazing how much of book 3 is in this season. There are parts that I still haven't reached in book 3 that are in this season. It's amazing how many times they took the liberty and completely changed the storyline. So much for brevity, just retell it in your own uninteresting way. I mean they probably shouldn't have called it Game of Thrones. At this point they are really just borrowing from the story, which I have no problem with, but they are shaming the original story.

Again, what happens beyond the wall is a completely different story. It's not even remotely close to what happens in the book, which IMO is the second best narrative that takes place in the books--King's Landing being the best. I fear for what else they are going to do to the story. Part of me wishes I never read A Clash of Kings so that I didn't have the desire to read each book before each season. But, the books literally take a giant steaming pile of **** on the HBO series.

If this is what they are going to do, season 3 should resemble most of book 3. Season 4 will resemble some of book 3 and some of book 4. So, here's to hoping George R.R. Martin finishes at the pace of HBO. And if he does, maybe they will show a little more confidence in the show and its ability to be a long term show aired on HBO and respect the storyline and the ability of the average human being to stay focused on a show that doesn't involve sex, slaughter, and deceit every 3 minutes.

And I'm finished. I probably sound like a snotty little *******, but I love the books and feel like they are being mistreated. I get hollywood and their oh-so-entitled need to sensationalize everything, but IMO they are going overboard when it's not even remotely necessary.The dumbest reason to not like a piece of art is because it's not identical to something else. This season of GoT is among the best seasons of any television show in the history of television. And that's largely because they've deviated from a flawed but highly entertaining book series that doesn't translate directly to television.

[a_minimalist]

The dumbest reason to not like a piece of art is because it's not identical to something else.

I never said I didn't like it because it wasn't "identical." I actually never said I didn't like it. I said I was frustrated with it. IMO, they are taking too many liberties with the storyline and the show could be much stronger. So, I'm not really sure what you're trying to argue. Also, an interpretation of an original piece of art will ALWAYS be compared to the original. Which is why you always hear people say, "I like the original better." So you must think a lot of people are dumb and you make it very hard to give any weight to that statement.

This season of GoT is among the best seasons of any television show in the history of television.

Settle down, the season isn't even over. Let's see how they finish it. Also, the first season, IMO, was much better than this one is turning out to be.

[a_minimalist]

It's all relative.

Read The Borne Identity book, then watch the move. That makes the changes in The Game of Thrones seem microscopic. I think there are about 6 things in the book The Borne Identity that match the movie. His and her name being two of them. A third being he was supposed to kill someone on a ship. 4th is the FBI is chasing him, 5th going to Paris, and I can't think of the 6th right now. Nothing else between book and movie matched. I mean COMPLETELY different story. :lmao2:

I will say this though. Both the book and movie The Borne Identity are very good to read / watch! Just like The Game of Thrones.

I mean, there are instances where movies have stuck to the book and not strayed to far from the storyline. The majority of hollywood movies do though, you're right.

I still watch the show though since I love the books so much.

[junk]

I've been reading some of Martin's other work lately. He has two different collections of short stories and, in one, talks about his time working in Hollywood (he wrote for The Twilight Zone, Beauty and the Beast and wrote a couple of pilots that never really went anywhere)

One of the things he said, repeatedly, that when he was writing for television, he was always too long and too expensive. He's also said that GOT really doesn't have all that big of a budget (on his blog).

So, I'm sure he has at least been through the experience of having to trim his work for television. And, let's be honest, A Song of Fire and Ice probably has some fat that can be trimmed.

The thing I don't get is how people who haven't read the book can keep up with all the characters on the TV show.

[a_minimalist]

The thing I don't get is how people who haven't read the book can keep up with all the characters on the TV show.

The thing I don't get is how people who have read the book can keep up with all of the characters! lol

You're right though. That's the only excuse that makes my frustration go away; the talk of a limited budget and only 10 episodes. However, the next two seasons will be book 3 so I don't see why they felt the need to go so far into book 3 in season 2. Oh well, it's something I guess I'll never know.

[Sam I Am]

The thing I don't get is how people who have read the book can keep up with all of the characters! lol


He spends so much time with each character, you have no choice! Well the main characters anyhow. He meanders a lot in the book. He has too to get to his normal 1k pages. It's the only thing that drives me crazy about reading his books. He spends a lot of time with the characters wondering around aimlessly. (Dany, Brienne, and Tyrion in book five to name a few)

I'm currently reading book 5 when I have time (which hasn't been much lately, especially with D3 coming out making reading even harder thing to make time for)

[a_minimalist]

He spends so much time with each character, you have no choice! Well the main characters anyhow. He meanders a lot in the book. He has too to get to his normal 1k pages. It's the only thing that drives me crazy about reading his books. He spends a lot of time with the characters wondering around aimlessly. (Dany, Brienne, and Tyrion in book five to name a few)

I'm currently reading book 5 when I have time (which hasn't been much lately, especially with D3 coming out making reading even harder thing to make time for)

I actually think that's what makes his books so great. There is so much detail and you really find yourself mixed in with the story. You grow a sort of attachment or disdain for certain characters and then he kills the one you like and promotes the one you hate. But, it also makes you appreciate all of the deceit and twists in the book.

I just finished book 3, which is epic, and I am starting book 4 in a few minutes.

[Teren_Kanan]

The last two books were slower paced than the first 3, which is why they aren't as entertaining to read, but they set so many things up to happen in the next 2 books.

[Zordon]

I love this show. Pretty much addicted to the storyline. I don't know how I'll cope once the season ends. I might have to give in and finally buy the books. The preview for the next episode looks epic.

Cat really ticked me off this episode. Most of the starks annoy me for some reason with the exception of Arya and Bran. Tyrion is simply an amazing actor. His scenes with his bodyguard and Cersei and Varys are amazing.

[viman96]

I love the show. I have decided to not read the books until much later because I do not want to know what is missing , different or out of sequence.

[Sam I Am]

I love the show. I have decided to not read the books until much later because I do not want to know what is missing , different or out of sequence.

Let me screw it up for you. The finding of the dragon glass in the last episode is out of sequence. :laugh2:

Actually, if I remember correctly. It was found by Ghost and dug up by Jon and Samwell before Jon was separated from the Night Watch. (before Ygritte came into the picture)

[a_minimalist]

Let me screw it up for you. The finding of the dragon glass in the last episode is out of sequence. :laugh2:

Actually, if I remember correctly. It was found by Ghost and dug up by Jon and Samwell before Jon was separated from the Night Watch. (before Ygritte came into the picture)

Jon was never separated from the Night's Watch in the book. He let Ygritte go.

[Sam I Am]

Jon was never separated from the Night's Watch in the book. He let Ygritte go.

:confused: Yes he did. Hell, even the show is portraying that part now. (even if it isnt' following the book's script)

[a_minimalist]

:confused: Yes he did. Hell, even the show is portraying that part now. (even if it isnt' following the book's script)

The fact that they haven't forgotten about Qhorin made me very happy. There will be a very important scene between Jon and Qhorin coming up(you know what I'm talking about) that, if left out, would have completely destroyed the story beyond the wall.

[Sam I Am]

The fact that they haven't forgotten about Qhorin made me very happy. There will be a very important scene between Jon and Qhorin coming up(you know what I'm talking about) that, if left out, would have completely destroyed the story beyond the wall.

It's why he was allowed to live.

[a_minimalist]

It's why he was allowed to live.

Yup, that's why my original post on here had me so frustrated. I thought they were killing that story by leaving that out.

[theogt]

Yup, that's why my original post on here had me so frustrated. I thought they were killing that story by leaving that out.Not sure why you thought that part was going away. I think the way they did it in the show makes much more sense than the books. Now there's actual motivation for him having to prove himself.

[a_minimalist]

Not sure why you thought that part was going away. I think the way they did it in the show makes much more sense than the books. Now there's actual motivation for him having to prove himself.

That's pretty easy to say now that they've showed him. I'm not sure why you think it's such a far fetched idea to think they would leave that out considering how they set it up. I mean they have left out Jojen an Meera Reed who play a pretty large part in book 3.

And, I completely disagree, the way in the book was much more appealing. I won't talk about why since I don't want to ruin it for other people.

[theogt]

That's pretty easy to say now that they've showed him. I'm not sure why you think it's such a far fetched idea to think they would leave that out considering how they set it up. I mean they have left out Jojen an Meera Reed who play a pretty large part in book 3.

And, I completely disagree, the way in the book was much more appealing. I won't talk about why since I don't want to ruin it for other people.They simply hadn't gotten to the point chronologically yet.

[a_minimalist]

They simply hadn't gotten to the point chronologically yet.

We'll see.

[Teren_Kanan]

The fact that they haven't forgotten about Qhorin made me very happy. There will be a very important scene between Jon and Qhorin coming up(you know what I'm talking about) that, if left out, would have completely destroyed the story beyond the wall.


I'm still annoyed though. In the book Jon's lets Ygritte go, It's a building point for his character. Qhorin didn't need Ygritte to die, and left Jon to do it to learn more about who Jon is. He isn't upset with Jon when Jon returns and says he couldn't do it, he simply tells him "well I know more about you now then I did this morning", and tells him if he needed her dead he would have let someone else do it.

In the TV show, Jon comes off as a complete newb who got all of his brothers caught and killed. Now the upcoming situation is losing some of it's meaning any way you slice it because the entire context is different.

Hopefully they'll add some dialogue to soften things up.

[a_minimalist]

I'm still annoyed though. In the book Jon's lets Ygritte go, It's a building point for his character. Qhorin didn't need Ygritte to die, and left Jon to do it to learn more about who Jon is. He isn't upset with Jon when Jon returns and says he couldn't do it, he simply tells him "well I know more about you now then I did this morning", and tells him if he needed her dead he would have let someone else do it.

In the TV show, Jon comes off as a complete newb who got all of his brothers caught and killed. Now the upcoming situation is losing some of it's meaning any way you slice it because the entire context is different.

Hopefully they'll add some dialogue to soften things up.

Exactly, not to mention when Jon does what he does it is under pressing circumstances making it that much more intriguing. It's something that was never discussed, he just had to act, and quickly. You're confused and you question it and really don't know what to think when it happens. The shows version is boring compared to the books. You see it coming. They dumb it down and spell it out for you.

[theogt]

I'm still annoyed though. In the book Jon's lets Ygritte go, It's a building point for his character. Qhorin didn't need Ygritte to die, and left Jon to do it to learn more about who Jon is. He isn't upset with Jon when Jon returns and says he couldn't do it, he simply tells him "well I know more about you now then I did this morning", and tells him if he needed her dead he would have let someone else do it.

In the TV show, Jon comes off as a complete newb who got all of his brothers caught and killed. Now the upcoming situation is losing some of it's meaning any way you slice it because the entire context is different.

Hopefully they'll add some dialogue to soften things up.No, they needed to give him a reason for doing what he's about to do. The "push" in last night's episode makes what he's about to do more believable now. In the book it wasn't really believable.

[Teren_Kanan]

No, they needed to give him a reason for doing what he's about to do. The "push" in last night's episode makes what he's about to do more believable now. In the book it wasn't really believable.

It's believable in the episode. It's different from the book. I don't want to get into spoilers of things that haven't happened yet, so I'll discuss it after viewers have seen it, but I disagree with it not being believable in the books.

It's all just different. They'll putting a whole new spin on Jon's characters and imo taking a few too many liberties, but this goes back for several episodes now. It's still good TV, there is no flaw with what happened in that light.

All the little changes add up imo. You have Jon act a fool at Crasters by disobeying orders, something his character is not prone to doing in the books. You then have Jon VOLUNTEER to go on a sneaking assassination mission, something Jon would not have done in the books. Jon snow tries to model the honor of his father. Ned is not the type to sneak through the night and slit throats, neither is Jon. In the books Qhorin requests Jon go due to his Stark Heritage having meaning beyond the wall, and the mission is to gather as much information as possible and return.

Then the Ygritte situation happens very differently in the books, which also results in more change to his character. He declines killing her against the suggestions of the guy with him, and takes her to Qhorin. He is then left to "Do what needs to be done" on Qhorin's orders. It was simply Qhorin testing Jon's character. He didn't need Ygritte dead, and he didn't know if Jon was the type to kill an unarmed girl. Jon lets her live, and Qhorin is ok with it. They get caught later for another reason which I won't mention due to possible spoilers.

In the TV show we have a Jon who volunteers to be the man to actually kill Ygritte, instead of Qhorin doing it, and Qhorin clearly leaves Jon with the assumption that Jon is going to kill her. His command is "leave him to it" as opposed to the more ambiguous "Do what needs to be done". Then Jon can't do it, goes on a merry chase, and gets his entire party save Qhorin killed in the process? Jon is completely at fault in the TV show's version. He made a huge (and foolish) mistake, and others died because of it.

Good TV, bad conversion.

[The Ominous]

Best episode of the series, hands down. The rain of Castamere is falling.

[Teren_Kanan]

Yeaaaahhh last nights Episode was pretty fantastic.

[RamziD]

I love this show. Pretty much addicted to the storyline. I don't know how I'll cope once the season ends. I might have to give in and finally buy the books. The preview for the next episode looks epic.

Cat really ticked me off this episode. Most of the starks annoy me for some reason with the exception of Arya and Bran. Tyrion is simply an amazing actor. His scenes with his bodyguard and Cersei and Varys are amazing.

I'm with you, man. It's painstaking having to wait a week to watch each episode after having watched the first season on demand in 2 days. I started reading the books, so hopefully I should be finished with them all by the 3rd season...that should cut down on the withdrawals some. Arya is me and my fiancée's favorite character...we've decided that's what we're going to name our first daughter.

[Teren_Kanan]

I'm with you, man. It's painstaking having to wait a week to watch each episode after having watched the first season on demand in 2 days. I started reading the books, so hopefully I should be finished with them all by the 3rd season...that should cut down on the withdrawals some. Arya is me and my fiancée's favorite character...we've decided that's what we're going to name our first daughter.


Oh you poor poor fool. The wait in between each week is bad? The year wait in between seasons?
You will read the books. THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUE HORROR OF WAITING! As you wait 3+ years for the next book, and I'm being generous with the 3 year assumption!

:laugh2:

[Zordon]

I'm with you, man. It's painstaking having to wait a week to watch each episode after having watched the first season on demand in 2 days. I started reading the books, so hopefully I should be finished with them all by the 3rd season...that should cut down on the withdrawals some. Arya is me and my fiancée's favorite character...we've decided that's what we're going to name our first daughter.
Awesome.

Last night's episode was one of the finest hours of television I've ever witnessed. The exposion was epic, Stannis leading his men was epic, Joffrey deserting his men was pathetic, Cersei and Sansa's interactions was amazing, and Tyrion...better not be dead.

[Sam I Am]

I was wondering how they were going to handle the "nose". From what I saw in the last episode, it looks like they are just not going to go that far with it.


Last night's episode was one of the finest hours of television I've ever witnessed. The exposion was epic, Stannis leading his men was epic, Joffrey deserting his men was pathetic, Cersei and Sansa's interactions was amazing, and Tyrion...better not be dead.

Welcome to the wonderful world of George R. R. Martin. He will kill off great characters on a whim. ....or just to piss you off! :lmao2:

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:laugh2:

[RamziD]

Awesome.

Last night's episode was one of the finest hours of television I've ever witnessed. The exposion was epic, Stannis leading his men was epic, Joffrey deserting his men was pathetic, Cersei and Sansa's interactions was amazing, and Tyrion...better not be dead.

Yeah, it was a great episode. I loved how Sansa stood up to Joffrey in her own way, and the hound telling them all to "screw off". Good battle scene, too.

[RamziD]

Oh you poor poor fool. The wait in between each week is bad? The year wait in between seasons?
You will read the books. THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUE HORROR OF WAITING! As you wait 3+ years for the next book, and I'm being generous with the 3 year assumption!

:laugh2:

I can imagine how difficult that would have been had you started reading the books back when the original came out in 1996.

[Sam I Am]

Next week's season finally will be extended by 10 minutes.

Good ****! :laugh2:

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Game Of Thrones season 2 to get extended final episode

Game Of Thrones season 2 might be ending. But Valar Morghulis will at least be a little longer...

It feels like we were waiting so long for Game Of Thrones season two, and yet next week, it all comes to an end. Then, we'll have to start the long wait for season three. It's going to make it feel like a very long year. Bah.

Still, HBO is serving up an extra treat for the final episode of season two, Valar Morghulis. It's been announced that the episode is to be an extended one, running to an extra ten minutes so as to be able to squeeze everything in. Truthfully, we could have happily taken an extra hour, but we'll take anything we can get.

[a_minimalist]

I guess I'm in the minority because I thought the last episode was horrible. It seemed like a high school play. During the fight scenes you could see people in the background nowhere doing an awful job of fighting each other, I mean punches were thrown and were nowhere near the recipients face, it seemed rushed. I know there is a budget but it deserves more. I hope they make the story into movies some day.

[Cythim]

I guess I'm in the minority because I thought the last episode was horrible. It seemed like a high school play. During the fight scenes you could see people in the background nowhere doing an awful job of fighting each other, I mean punches were thrown and were nowhere near the recipients face, it seemed rushed. I know there is a budget but it deserves more. I hope they make the story into movies some day.

I hated the episode as well. They skipped most of the fighting up to this point and when they finally did a fight scene it was terrible. The Sansa/Cersei scenes felt forced as well, it flowed much better in the book. Tyrion's Braveheart speech was also lame.

[a_minimalist]

I hated the episode as well. They skipped most of the fighting up to this point and when they finally did a fight scene it was terrible. The Sansa/Cersei scenes felt forced as well, it flowed much better in the book. Tyrion's Braveheart speech was also lame.

Glad I'm not the only one who thought so

[Sam I Am]

You're complaining about extras? :lmao2: :laugh2: :lmao:

[a_minimalist]

You're complaining about extras? :lmao2: :laugh2: :lmao:

I could complain about a lot more, but I chose that as the most obvious. Is complaining about extras not allowed?

[Sam I Am]

I could complain about a lot more, but I chose that as the most obvious. Is complaining about extras not allowed?

Complaining about an extra is like complaining about a single key on a keyboard having the character rubbed off. Point being, you are WAY to freaking worried about irrelevant **** when you should be paying attention to the primary characters of the show.

They are background noise. That's it! They aren't meant for you to focus on, they are meant to be there so the main characters aren't standing alone on the battlements. (which he isn't supposed to be!) .0000000001% of the people who play these type parts will ever play a character as lowly as the lowest named character in this entire show. ..yet, you are concerned about them ruining the show?!?!?!?!?

You are concerned about the wrong part of the show. I promise you, if you had actually read the book, the extras would not have ruined it for you! :laugh2:

[a_minimalist]

Complaining about an extra is like complaining about a single key on a keyboard having the character rubbed off. Point being, you are WAY to freaking worried about irrelevant **** when you should be paying attention to the primary characters of the show.

They are background noise. That's it! They aren't meant for you to focus on, they are meant to be there so the main characters aren't standing alone on the battlements. (which he isn't supposed to be!) .0000000001% of the people who play these type parts will ever play a character as lowly as the lowest named character in this entire show. ..yet, you are concerned about them ruining the show?!?!?!?!?

You are concerned about the wrong part of the show. I promise you, if you had actually read the book, the extras would not have ruined it for you! :laugh2:

Lol I am being hypercritical there's no doubt about that. But, a lot of scenes were extras. Most of the time during editing they cut bad scenes out. They should have done that a couple of times this episode. The battle scenes were weak and unbelievable. The limbs being cut off looked like something out of a 70's horror flick.

I read the book.

[Teren_Kanan]

I can somewhat agree I suppose, but I more felt it due to lack of budget than anything else. Everything was of such a smaller scale compared to the books that it really came off as somewhat cheap looking in places. The GREEN NUKE OF DOOM was awesome though, as were all storyline aspects. Brilliant acting across the board.

[Sam I Am]

I can somewhat agree I suppose, but I more felt it due to lack of budget than anything else. Everything was of such a smaller scale compared to the books that it really came off as somewhat cheap looking in places.

That's true. The battle was much much much larger in the books. The battle portrayed was extremely small.


The GREEN NUKE OF DOOM was awesome though, as were all storyline aspects. Brilliant acting across the board.

Yeah, the blast was awesome looking, but it still didn't reflect the entire sequence. In the book, the water itself was burning. (anyone under water couldn't surface, or they would be burnt) Not just stuff in the water, and on a much larger scale. Of course, the only way they could have scaled like that would have been computer animation. That would have taken a hefty budget and a lot of time just for a single episode.

[theogt]

I don't think I've ever seen anything even close to comparable to the battle on television before. It's amazing what they were able to do with a TV budget.

[BrAinPaiNt]

That's true. The battle was much much much larger in the books. The battle portrayed was extremely small.



Yeah, the blast was awesome looking, but it still didn't reflect the entire sequence. In the book, the water itself was burning. (anyone under water couldn't surface, or they would be burnt) Not just stuff in the water, and on a much larger scale. Of course, the only way they could have scaled like that would have been computer animation. That would have taken a hefty budget and a lot of time just for a single episode.

I kept waiting for the Chain.

I was thinking...any second now the chain will pop up.

Oh well.:laugh2:

[Sam I Am]

I kept waiting for the Chain.

I was thinking...any second now the chain will pop up.

Oh well.:laugh2:

I thought about the chain too. Though, I do not remember Stannis being on the battlements during the battle.

That said, I also have to admit that I don't think Stephen Dillane makes a good Stannis Baratheon. First off, he is too thin and doesn't seem all that imposing or scary for that matter. I think they could have made a better choice. One of the few poorly casted characters IMO, though I must admit. I'm not sure who I would choose either.

[Temo]

Wasn't Stannis described in the book as a thin, austere man?

[Sam I Am]

Wasn't Stannis described in the book as a thin, austere man?

If he was, I don't recall that.

[a_minimalist]

If he was, I don't recall that.

Neither do I and that was my first criticism when I first saw him. I thought he would be a big guy, almost like Eddard.

I don't know if you have read book 3, but if you have they do describe Stannis as skinny having lost a lot of weight. But, that indicates he wasn't skinny to begin with.

[The Ominous]

I thought about the chain too. Though, I do not remember Stannis being on the battlements during the battle.

That said, I also have to admit that I don't think Stephen Dillane makes a good Stannis Baratheon. First off, he is too thin and doesn't seem all that imposing or scary for that matter. I think they could have made a better choice. One of the few poorly casted characters IMO, though I must admit. I'm not sure who I would choose either.

I didn't like Stephen as Stannis at first either, but he as absolutely won me over through the course of the season. I can't really picture anybody else playing him as well. And he was a ****ing BOSS in Blackwater...total bad ***.

[Cythim]

I thought about the chain too. Though, I do not remember Stannis being on the battlements during the battle.

That said, I also have to admit that I don't think Stephen Dillane makes a good Stannis Baratheon. First off, he is too thin and doesn't seem all that imposing or scary for that matter. I think they could have made a better choice. One of the few poorly casted characters IMO, though I must admit. I'm not sure who I would choose either.

When they flashed to Stannis on the wall I wasn't even sure it was him right away. The guy looked too ordinary and the hold me back bit was weak. I have enjoyed the entire series up to this episode.

[The Ominous]

People who didn't like Blackwater need to have Electro Shock Therapy. Seriously....

[The Ominous]

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[Temo]

I don't know if you have read book 3, but if you have they do describe Stannis as skinny having lost a lot of weight. But, that indicates he wasn't skinny to begin with.

Maybe that's what I was thinking of. Well that and Stannis is described as being the opposite of Robert in every way, and I took that to mean in girth as well, so I always pictured him almost exactly as he is portrayed in the show.

[Sam I Am]

Neither do I and that was my first criticism when I first saw him. I thought he would be a big guy, almost like Eddard.

I don't know if you have read book 3, but if you have they do describe Stannis as skinny having lost a lot of weight. But, that indicates he wasn't skinny to begin with.

I have, I'm about half way through book five. I've been having trouble finding time to read it though. When I do have time to read, I've been playing Diablo 3 instead. :laugh2:

Though I guess it's not bad that I'm stretching it out. It will be a long time before book six comes out and the waiting sucks. :bang2: :laugh2:

[a_minimalist]

Maybe that's what I was thinking of. Well that and Stannis is described as being the opposite of Robert in every way, and I took that to mean in girth as well, so I always pictured him almost exactly as he is portrayed in the show.

Yea a couple of people I know have said they thought he was cast fine. I always pictured him as a muscular guy, something between Renly and Robert.

[a_minimalist]

I have, I'm about half way through book five. I've been having trouble finding time to read it though. When I do have time to read, I've been playing Diablo 3 instead. :laugh2:

Though I guess it's not bad that I'm stretching it out. It will be a long time before book six comes out and the waiting sucks. :bang2: :laugh2:

I'm doing the same thing with book 4. I spread it out and read a couple of chapters here and there. The biggest problem is remembering where I left off.

[Sam I Am]

I'm doing the same thing with book 4. I spread it out and read a couple of chapters here and there. The biggest problem is remembering where I left off.

Kindle bookmark! :D

[a_minimalist]

Kindle bookmark! :D

No kindle. I own too many books that I haven't read yet to even think about buying a kindle.

I did a bad job of communicating what I meant before. I meant at times I forget the previous storyline and have to skim what came before where I left off.

[Joe Realist]

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[viman96]

Season finale coming up! Seems like the season just started too.

[Yeagermeister]

How did Stannis get away? He was surrounded.

Is the white walker on the horse Mance Rayder?

[Sam I Am]

I'm extremely disappointed in Tyion's face. It's WAY WAY WAY too pretty!

[ChldsPlay]

How did Stannis get away? He was surrounded.

Is the white walker on the horse Mance Rayder?

Mance Rayder is a human wildling (ex Night's Watch), nothing to do with the white walkers.

Kind of disappointed with this episode. Missing the best part of the house of the undying, didn't really care for the handling of jon, I'm not sure why Winterfell was burned if all the Iron Born left, and the White Walker stuff from book 3 looked...not that frightening.

[Joe Realist]

10 episodes in not that much. I wish they could run another 5-6 weeks

[Sam I Am]

Mance Rayder is a human wildling (ex Night's Watch), nothing to do with the white walkers.

Kind of disappointed with this episode. Missing the best part of the house of the undying, didn't really care for the handling of jon, I'm not sure why Winterfell was burned if all the Iron Born left, and the White Walker stuff from book 3 looked...not that frightening.

It was burnt I believe because they couldn't man it and they didn't want anyone else taking up residence of a fully functional Winterfell. Obviously, the show didn't show / tell what actually happen.

[Yeagermeister]

So is Tyrion basically done as a major character? If so that will suck. He's the best character on the show.

[Chinfu]

No Tyrion is not finished as a main character but is as the hand of the king and his power in politics of the realm is severely weakened.

I thought the episode was good with moving plots ahead but I was extremely disappointed with the house of the undying. I was ready to see Rhaegar and the interpretation of the blue rose at the wall, not to mention the major event of next season...

I think overall they are doing a great job with the show and here's to another fantastic season. Next 9 1/2 month is going to suck.

[RamziD]

I thought in the book that Daenerys gets held in the House of the Undying longer and that they are supposed to reveal to her what will happen in the future. That part of the episode seemed to be lacking a little meat on the bones.

[Sam I Am]

Tyrion still has a nose damnit! Tyrion is not supposed to have a nose anymore! :yousuck:

[theogt]

When people criticize this show, its like the people that criticize DeMarcus Ware. They should just sit back, shut up and enjoy some of the best entertainment they'll ever lay eyes on.

[RamziD]

When people criticize this show, its like the people that criticize DeMarcus Ware. They should just sit back, shut up and enjoy some of the best entertainment they'll ever lay eyes on.

I don't think anybody is not entertained by the show. I think it's the best TV I've watched in a long time. I think a lot of people here have read all the books and are just bringing up some differences for discussion.

[Teren_Kanan]

Did my post get deleted for some reason?

[The Ominous]

When people criticize this show, its like the people that criticize DeMarcus Ware. They should just sit back, shut up and enjoy some of the best entertainment they'll ever lay eyes on.

Completely agreed. Some of the complaints are absolutely ridiculous, and I'm someone who has read the books. I'm really not bothered at all by the changes. The finale was epic...DAT LAST SCENE!!!

[a_minimalist]

I don't think anybody is not entertained by the show. I think it's the best TV I've watched in a long time. I think a lot of people here have read all the books and are just bringing up some differences for discussion.

That's not okay. According to him you're dumb if you compare a re-worked piece of art to the original.

With that being said, I thought the last episode was really good. I hated the one before it, and think they are butchering the story that happens beyond the wall. Other than that, it's been good.

The first season still beats this season, IMO.

[Romo 2 Austin]

I think the series will end with Jon Snow being proclaimed king. With the ultimate threat of the series seeming to be what lies beyond the wall I believe they will head in the direction that Jon Snow ill be in a position to be a compromise leader, one that would appease those beyond the north as well as those in the south. With quite a bit of symbolization in the last episode of the season they hinted that Daenerys Targaryen sole motivation is not to regain the iron throne, so if it came down to a war vs the creatures of the north or sacrificing the throne to Jon Snow the character would conceivably surrender the throne. With all three major storylines thus far unveiled - The battle for the throne, the rise of Daenaerys and her dragons and the story beyond the wall this seems like a logical ending to wrap up all three. I also believe that Tyrion will remain a powerful character, possibly betraying Joffrey and leading to his removal from power. I would like if Joffrey were to turn against the Lannisters and begin embracing Baretheon symbols and beliefs, this would alienate the only allies he has in the Lannisters and make him an absolute loner with the crown, would create a interesting scenario. However whatever they do with Joffrey I doubt he ends season 3 with the crown still on his head, or better yet ends season 3 with his head.


I never read the books, so I have no idea if this is completely unfeasible by the point they are up to in the novels.

[a_minimalist]

I think the series will end with Jon Snow being proclaimed king. With the ultimate threat of the series seeming to be what lies beyond the wall I believe they will head in the direction that Jon Snow ill be in a position to be a compromise leader, one that would appease those beyond the north as well as those in the south. With quite a bit of symbolization in the last episode of the season they hinted that Daenerys Targaryen sole motivation is not to regain the iron throne, so if it came down to a war vs the creatures of the north or sacrificing the throne to Jon Snow the character would conceivably surrender the throne. With all three major storylines thus far unveiled - The battle for the throne, the rise of Daenaerys and her dragons and the story beyond the wall this seems like a logical ending to wrap up all three. I also believe that Tyrion will remain a powerful character, possibly betraying Joffrey and leading to his removal from power. I would like if Joffrey were to turn against the Lannisters and begin embracing Baretheon symbols and beliefs, this would alienate the only allies he has in the Lannisters and make him an absolute loner with the crown, would create a interesting scenario. However whatever they do with Joffrey I doubt he ends season 3 with the crown still on his head, or better yet ends season 3 with his head.


I never read the books, so I have no idea if this is completely unfeasible by the point they are up to in the novels.

Here's some advice, I'm not saying if you're right or wrong about anything, but never try and predict a George R.R. Martin story.

[RamziD]

I think the series will end with Jon Snow being proclaimed king. With the ultimate threat of the series seeming to be what lies beyond the wall I believe they will head in the direction that Jon Snow ill be in a position to be a compromise leader, one that would appease those beyond the north as well as those in the south. With quite a bit of symbolization in the last episode of the season they hinted that Daenerys Targaryen sole motivation is not to regain the iron throne, so if it came down to a war vs the creatures of the north or sacrificing the throne to Jon Snow the character would conceivably surrender the throne. With all three major storylines thus far unveiled - The battle for the throne, the rise of Daenaerys and her dragons and the story beyond the wall this seems like a logical ending to wrap up all three. I also believe that Tyrion will remain a powerful character, possibly betraying Joffrey and leading to his removal from power. I would like if Joffrey were to turn against the Lannisters and begin embracing Baretheon symbols and beliefs, this would alienate the only allies he has in the Lannisters and make him an absolute loner with the crown, would create a interesting scenario. However whatever they do with Joffrey I doubt he ends season 3 with the crown still on his head, or better yet ends season 3 with his head.


I never read the books, so I have no idea if this is completely unfeasible by the point they are up to in the novels.

Why do you say that? I saw the symbolism as Daenerys turning away from being with Khal Drogo and her son, Rhaego, in the House of the Undying so she could reclaim her dragons to go claim the throne. They were stealing gold and jewels so they could buy ships to cross the Narrow Sea.

[Cythim]

Why do you say that? I saw the symbolism as Daenerys turning away from being with Khal Drogo and her son, Rhaego, in the House of the Undying so she could reclaim her dragons to go claim the throne. They were stealing gold and jewels so they could buy ships to cross the Narrow Sea.

That is exactly what I saw, they tempted her with Drogo and her son and the Iron Throne to keep her in the House of the Undying but she shunned them to rescue her dragons.

[RamziD]

Question to those who have read the books: Does the Kingdom of Dorne ever become a major part of the series? They talk about the Dornish being independent for the most part and previous allies of House Targaryen, but nothing else so far is mentioned about them. It seems that such a large part of Westeros would have some role to play before the end. Just curious...

[Rack Bauer]

Here's some advice, I'm not saying if you're right or wrong about anything, but never try and predict a George R.R. Martin story.

:hammer:

[Rack Bauer]

Question to those who have read the books: Does the Kingdom of Dorne ever become a major part of the series?

Yes. :starspin

[RamziD]

Yes. :starspin
Sweet, thanks. I can't wait to get through the books. I figured Dorne would be a player in this sooner or later.

[ChldsPlay]

Sweet, thanks. I can't wait to get through the books. I figured Dorne would be a player in this sooner or later.

They start playing an important role in book 3, but depending on how the show handles it (with them splitting it into 2 seasons) they may not really show up until season 4.