Redskins acquire #2 pick *Merge*

[Kirbyk21]

Just an FYI...I heard from a friend of mine that is involved with the Redskins. They acquired the pick from the Rams for their first pick this year, first round pick next year and potentially some current players.

Details should be announced to ESPN and public soon.

[danielofthesaints]

Well, lets wait to sound the horn until it has evidence to support the claim.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

Link or ****.

[Dallas]

Its like nobody reads the rules when they sign up. :D Why is this even in the NEWS area and not in the Rumor Mill ZONE? ;)

[SkinsHokieFan]

Is this your "friend"

LOL

http://egotastic.com/2012/03/breaking-news-redskins-trade-for-2-draft-pick-will-nab-rg3/

[Alexander]

Just an FYI...I heard from a friend of mine that is involved with the Redskins. They acquired the pick from the Rams for their first pick this year, first round pick next year and potentially some current players.

Details should be announced to ESPN and public soon.

Someone better shut this down. It does not have board cred to support it.

[cowboyjoe]

Its like nobody reads the rules when they sign up. :D Why is this even in the NEWS area and not in the Rumor Mill ZONE? ;)

i didnt know we had a rumor mill zone? I thought we werent suppose to put up rumors period?:confused:

[MissionCoach]

Just an FYI...I heard from a friend of mine that is involved with the Redskins. They acquired the pick from the Rams for their first pick this year, first round pick next year and potentially some current players.

Details should be announced to ESPN and public soon.

..and to think Jerry gave up two No. 1 picks to Seattle for Galloway :bang2:

[Dallas]

i didnt know we had a rumor mill zone? I thought we werent suppose to put up rumors period?:confused:

We aren't. ;)

[Alexander]

I thought we werent suppose to put up rumors period?:confused:
It depends on who you are.

[bigE79]

Just an FYI...I heard from a friend of mine that is involved with the Redskins. They acquired the pick from the Rams for their first pick this year, first round pick next year and potentially some current players.

Details should be announced to ESPN and public soon.Bull****:laugh2:

[Dallas]

It depends on who you are.

Awwwww.....someone has his feelings hurt. :laugh2:

[Alexander]

Awwwww.....someone has his feelings hurt. :laugh2:
No, no feelings hurt. Just amazed at the double standard.

[danielofthesaints]

/thread.

[Dallas]

Just for fun let's discuss this. Do you guys honestly think it only takes a swap of 1's this year and an unknown 1 next year and a player on the Redskins team to move up and get the 2 this year?

Who could they even trade as a player to make it lucrative enough for the Rams to do it?

Players even...

[dadymat]

Just an FYI...I heard from a friend of mine that is involved with the Redskins. They acquired the pick from the Rams for their first pick this year, first round pick next year and potentially some current players.

Details should be announced to ESPN and public soon.

i call BS....its gonna take alot more than that to get that pick

[Risen Star]

Just for fun let's discuss this. Do you guys honestly think it only takes a swap of 1's this year and an unknown 1 next year and a player on the Redskins team to move up and get the 2 this year?

Who could they even trade as a player to make it lucrative enough for the Rams to do it?

Players even...

No, I don't. Which is why I knew it wasn't legit.

I do think the Redskins will eventually make this trade. It's just going to take more than that.

[Risen Star]

I'm guessing it's going to take a swap of 1sts, a 2nd, 3rd and a 2013 1st at the minimum.

[Zimmy Lives]

i call BS....its gonna take alot more than that to get that pick

How about the two #1s and Arachnidpo? :D

[NoDak Cowboy]

Awwwww.....someone has his feelings hurt. :laugh2:

I didn't see any hurt feelings. Looked like a truthful statement to me.

[Manwiththeplan]

Just for fun let's discuss this. Do you guys honestly think it only takes a swap of 1's this year and an unknown 1 next year and a player on the Redskins team to move up and get the 2 this year?

Who could they even trade as a player to make it lucrative enough for the Rams to do it?

Players even...

if the player was brian orakpo, yea, if it's jabar gaffney, no.

[ajk23az]

Wow, it sounds like a lot of people are jealous they don't have "inside sources." It's not like it does damage to the world if this guy's friend is wrong. Geesh.

Rumors are fun to read, who cares if a lot of times they end up not having legs to em'.

[Dallas]

Wow, it sounds like a lot of people are jealous they don't have "inside sources." It's not like it does damage to the world if this guy's friend is wrong. Geesh.

Rumors are fun to read, who cares if a lot of times they end up not having legs to em'.

:laugh2: :laugh2: Hardly. Don't make something it isn't.

[Kirbyk21]

Sorry did not know the rules. I'm always on here reading because I'm a big cowboys fan. No my friend is actually a player and has some friends who are highly involved in the front office.

I figured I would share. Learned my lesson because all you guys do is blast people when they try to share something.

[Smashin222]

Sorry did not know the rules. I'm always on here reading because I'm a big cowboys fan. No my friend is actually a player and has some friends who are highly involved in the front office.

I figured I would share. Learned my lesson because all you guys do is blast people when they try to share something.

When you post a rumor that makes no sense, and your source is your "friend" and there are guys getting paid obscene money to have friends and.....report, you'd think someone at espn, schefter, nfl, anyone, would have heard from one of their "friends".....


add that to the fact that its unlikely the Rams OR the Redskins make a deal before Peyton signs and this board is likely to hold you to high standards. Especially when you have 11 posts.

Glad you're here, but consider what your post looks like to the rest of us

[Kirbyk21]

Touché. I see where you are coming from. However I figured I would share what I know. Won't do it again. I'll just stick to not contributing.

[Idgit]

It depends on who you are.

But, really, it should depend who you are.

A poster who wanders in with 20 posts or whatever can say whatever. But a mod/admin caught lying puts the credibility of the entire board into question. For a big site, that's a real issue.

[WPBCowboysFan]

Why would the Rams trade the pick this early unless it is a Mike Ditka/Ricky Williams type deal?

The Rams have plenty of time.

[The30YardSlant]

I call BS seeing as the Browns reportedly offered MULTIPLE picks this year and next.

[Dash28]

Troll alert.

[Jenky]

Just an FYI...I heard from a friend of mine that is involved with the Redskins. They acquired the pick from the Rams for their first pick this year, first round pick next year and potentially some current players.

Details should be announced to ESPN and public soon.

I won't shoot you down yet. But even if you are right, they cannot announce this deal since players can't be traded until the start of free agency. Unless I'm mistaken?

FYI: I think the Skins will get RG3 one way or another.

[NoDak Cowboy]

But, really, it should depend who you are.

A poster who wanders in with 20 posts or whatever can say whatever. But a mod/admin caught lying puts the credibility of the entire board into question. For a big site, that's a real issue.

100% agree.

[RS12]

Trade with Browns they only have to move down two spots and get another number one this year, sounds more logical.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well its been over an hour and no other major carrier has this so i think its much ado over nothing.

[StylisticS]

Trade with Browns they only have to move down two spots and get another number one this year, sounds more logical.

It is more logical. Ive already said that Cleveland has a better offer than anything Washington can offer. It is their pick if they want it.

[pjtoadie]

Darn it!!!! It's true:

Jay Glazer ‏ @JayGlazer
Major scoopage: Redskins have agreed to a trade w Rams for #2 pick of draft. Rams and Skins swap (cont)

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/gbhvr8

[WittenFan]

Just saw on Jay Glazer's Twitter:

Major scoopage: Redskins have agreed to a trade w Rams for #2 pick of draft. Rams and Skins swap first rounders this yr w Rams also getting 2 future #1s and additional picks. Story coming on fox sports dot com

Looks like RG3 for the Skins.

[pjtoadie]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231324

[Randy White]

price.. but it could be worth it in the end...

[MackNorth]

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=231324

I guess folks can start trusting Kirbyk. :bow:

Why he gotta come to the NFCE though???!!

[WittenFan]

Sorry, i overlooked that post. My bad.

[BigDFan5]

3 #1 picks as well as other picks :laugh2:

[SkinsFan82]

Yes, Thank You *****.

At this point I'm so desperate for a franchise QB I'll ignore the fact it looks like they basically bent us over and raped us for the pick.

[MonsterD]

:ralph::ralph::ralph::ralph::ralph:

[dgr81]

@JayGlazer
Major scoopage: Redskins have agreed to a trade w Rams for #2 pick of draft. Rams and Skins swap first rounders this yr w Rams also getting 2 future #1s and additional picks. Story coming on fox sports dot com

[RCowboyFan]

As expected, I knew Skins would do anything, including mortgaging their future. Griffin might turn out to be good, but not sure he is worth 3 first rounds. Apparently they gave up even 2nd round this year. Just Wow!

[dez_for_prez]

Just anounced on nfln during arena league game.

[tko112204]

Schefter confirmed on Twitter too.

3 No. 1s and a No. 2.

:laugh2:

[Alexander]

I will now worship KirbyK.

[Sonny Koufax]

Just anounced on nfln during arena league game.

AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Washington Redskins traded three first-round draft picks and a second-round pick to St. Louis for second overall...

[RastaRocket]

http://doughboyzsportscards.com/pics/deadskins02.gif

[SkinsFan82]

Yeah, Schefter is confirming Glazer.

"Washington Redskins traded three first-round draft picks and a second-round pick to St. Louis for second overall pick in a trade first reported by @JayGlazer."

I'm not sure they gave up this years 2nd.

[RS12]

MileHighReport ‏ @MileHighReport Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
WOW! #Redskins trade three 1st Rounders and a 2nd Rounder to #Rams for #2 overall pick... #Browns

[RastaRocket]

Schefter confirmed on Twitter too.

3 No. 1s and a No. 2.

:laugh2:

Griffin will be running for his life.

[WoodysGirl]

Touché. I see where you are coming from. However I figured I would share what I know. Won't do it again. I'll just stick to not contributing.
I hope you re-think your decision to not contribute. It sucks you took heat for this.

People by nature are skeptical creatures. I think this one post gives you enough credibility to where folks will listen with a less skeptical ear in the future.

[RS12]

They gave up alot. Think they got alot though. Facing RG3 twice a year for a long time.

[Go Big D!]

I will now worship KirbyK.

Too bad his friend doesn't play for the Cowboys. That'd be really handy.

[Alexander]

Touché. I see where you are coming from. However I figured I would share what I know. Won't do it again. I'll just stick to not contributing.
Don't do that.

Perhaps if you are wrong more often, you might develop a cult following around here.

[Meat-O-Rama]

Poor RG3. Never had a chance. Skins gave up a ton to get him. Cursed career from the start.

[theogt]

Lol....Idiots.

[Califan007]

*doing happy dance* :D :D

Now Griffin BETTER pan out, dambit! :mad:

[RastaRocket]

Time to get Williams and put him through the Ware/Williams panini maker.

[SDogo]

Some people on this board will never learn. This place is really starting to disgust me.

Thanks KirbyK, sorry for the BS.

[SkinsFan82]

I will now worship KirbyK.

Because he copied and pasted info from egotastic that was posted 4-5 hours prior to this thread?

Now I know how cults are formed. :)

[Risen Star]

Props to the OP. Clearly you did have it pegged even if the package wasn't accurate.

I can hear the celebrating in D.C. from here. Their savior has arrived.

[davey999]

Time to get Williams and put him through the Ware/Williams panini maker.

We aren't getting Williams. Get real.

[pjtoadie]

We aren't getting Williams. Get real.

And you know this because.......

[Risen Star]

Because he copied and pasted info from egotastic that was posted 4-5 hours prior to this thread?

Now I know how cults are formed. :)

Oh. Well now I'm confused.

I think I'll go back to ignoring all scoop threads.

Anyway, Washington's got their man. If he's legit, it's a bargain. If he isn't, it's a big hit to take. High risk/high reward.

I knew they'd get the deal done sooner than Cleveland ever would.

[silverbear]

We aren't getting Williams. Get real.

You don't know that. Get real.

We have the cap room, and we apparently have the interest...

And make no mistake, I have noted what you said here, and the way you presented it as an indisputable fact... I'll have fun reminding you of this post if Mario does come to Dallas...

[davey999]

And you know this because.......

When is the last time we acquired a top FA?

[RS12]

OK Kirby, so what are the Lakers getting for Gasol?

[irvin88]

You don't know that. Get real.

We have the cap room, and we apparently have the interest...

And make no mistake, I have noted what you said here, and the way you presented it as an indisputable fact... I'll have fun reminding you of this post if Mario does come to Dallas...

This....

[davey999]

You don't know that. Get real.

We have the cap room, and we apparently have the interest...

And make no mistake, I have noted what you said here, and the way you presented it as an indisputable fact... I'll have fun reminding you of this post if Mario does come to Dallas...

Can't wait. Are we getting Carr and Nicks too?

[Avery]

If RG3 isn't a multiple Pro Bowler, this trade could be ugly. Man, that's a lot of picks to give up to a team that isn't simply one player away.

[SDogo]

Redskins got bent backwards and well..........you know the rest.

Could not be happier right now.

[Alexander]

Because he copied and pasted info from egotastic that was posted 4-5 hours prior to this thread?

Now I know how cults are formed. :)

So--who had it right first?

I need to know so I can blindly follow everything they say.

[Go Big D!]

Some people on this board will never learn. This place is really starting to disgust me.

Thanks KirbyK, sorry for the BS.

It does get old. I always enjoy hearing all the tidbits of insider info.

[Cajuncowboy]

I am so happy to hear this. RG3 is NOT all that and a bag of chips for the Skins. They have so many more holes to fill than we do and this is just one. They have hitched their wagons to one guy for the next three years and I find it hilarious.

I was really hoping this would get done. I am gonna sleep good tonight.

[Risen Star]

If RG3 isn't a multiple Pro Bowler, this trade could be ugly. Man, that's a lot of picks to give up to a team that isn't simply one player away.

That's why the deal got done now. St. Louis couldn't say no to three 1s and a 2.

But, I still say that if you get a true franchise QB for the next 10 years out of the deal, it's a good move. You can always get creative to obtain more draft picks. In this league, if you don't have a QB you can not compete on a regular basis.

[Picksix]

3 first-round picks!!! Oh my freakin' gourd!!

[Cowboysfan570]

See and I thought the Bears got taken in the Cutler trade a number of years ago. Three round 1 picks and a 2nd for one pick?

Nicely done Dannyboy.

[Alexander]

If RG3 isn't a multiple Pro Bowler, this trade could be ugly. Man, that's a lot of picks to give up to a team that isn't simply one player away.

Overall, absolutely. It was completely desperate.

I was almost like as soon as Manning spurned them, this.

It absolutely has to be the earliest trade of a top draft pick in history.

Too bad, because this just makes the pressure on Griffin more intense. And he seems like a really likeable person.

[SkinsFan82]

I mean SkinsHookiesFan posted the egotastic link on the first page.

http://egotastic.com/2012/03/breaking-news-redskins-trade-for-2-draft-pick-will-nab-rg3/

It was posted 8 1/2 hours ago and the part that concerns this read "...the Redskins have now won the bidding with a compensation package that is believed to include their #6 pick this season, their #1 pick in next year's draft, and perhaps some current players as well."

Then this thread pops up a good 5 hours later and he has sources that told him "They acquired the pick from the Rams for their first pick this year, first round pick next year and potentially some current players."

Anyways, who cares.

[supercowboy8]

remember the skins have 42 million to spend this offseason. Get ready to see Nicks, a WR, and a few other players get very overpaid.

[RS12]

Danny actually had to remove seats last year, so they had to do something major.

[WoodysGirl]

So--who had it right first?

I need to know so I can blindly follow everything they say.
I'm not sure it matters, because the same issue came up in Hos thread. There's a plethora of info out there and it can be distributed to any number of ppl.

SkinsFan saw it one place, and the Kirby guy says he heard it from another. What matters to me is that the info was accurate after it was all said and done.

Nobody should ever follow anyone blindly. It's a discussion board. Take it all with a grain of salt.

[RastaRocket]

Overall, absolutely. It was completely desperate.

I was almost like as soon as Manning spurned them, this.

It absolutely has to be the earliest trade of a top draft pick in history.

Too bad, because this just makes the pressure on Griffin more intense. And he seems like a really likeable person.

they are gonna have their work cut out for them to establish a core around him.

[SDCowboy85]

If RG3 isn't the greatest QB ever, they just set their team back for years.

[RS12]

remember the skins have 42 million to spend this offseason. Get ready to see Nicks, a WR, and a few other players get very overpaid.

Said to love Vincent Jackson.

[Risen Star]

I mean SkinsHookiesFan posted the egotastic link on the first page.

http://egotastic.com/2012/03/breaking-news-redskins-trade-for-2-draft-pick-will-nab-rg3/

It was posted 8 1/2 hours ago and the part that concerns this read "...the Redskins have now won the bidding with a compensation package that is believed to include their #6 pick this season, their #1 pick in next year's draft, and perhaps some current players as well."

Then this thread pops up a good 5 hours later and he has sources that told him "They acquired the pick from the Rams for their first pick this year, first round pick next year and potentially some current players."

Anyways, who cares.

That doesn't mean he's fake. It just means his source has been revealed.

[supercowboy8]

Redskins got bent backwards and well..........you know the rest.

Could not be happier right now.

I'm not to happy about this, yes they gave up alot but they are 42 million under the cap. hey will now spend that money to get players around him. Get ready to see Nicks in a redskins uni. Also a big time WR or two.

This is a crazy stupid deal for the redskins. No player is worth this much.

[newlander]

You don't know that. Get real.

We have the cap room, and we apparently have the interest...

And make no mistake, I have noted what you said here, and the way you presented it as an indisputable fact... I'll have fun reminding you of this post if Mario does come to Dallas...


.....I've said for weeks the stupid lil' troll in DC would do whatever he had to do to get him and he just did. Second: I think silverbear, Hos and others on here are now closer to being right about Williams coming. I have said all along it won't happen but........hey, Jerrah got shown up last season by not getting Asomuoga(sp?) and now.....lil' Dan just scored RG3. We all know we need to improve at DE and that was BEFORE this deal was made today: there is mutual interest so we shall see.


BTW: what's most interesting is the Giants sit it out and watch the bufoonery year after year and..........just win. Yeah, it's a kick in the stones to admit, but it's true.

[RastaRocket]

When is the last time we acquired a top FA?

When was the last time we were in position like we are now to?

We showed we are willing to go big last year but luckily Jerry used his brain and backed off of a 30yr old corner. Now we are in position to upgrade.

[SkinsFan82]

That doesn't mean he's fake. It just means his source has been revealed.

Very true, could be coincidence it was worded almost the exact same way.

Either way, I'm not going to argue with the guy, if he has his sources, more power to him. I'm glad he was kinda right. :)

[Risen Star]

You don't know that. Get real.

We have the cap room, and we apparently have the interest...

And make no mistake, I have noted what you said here, and the way you presented it as an indisputable fact... I'll have fun reminding you of this post if Mario does come to Dallas...

But will you forget all about it if he doesn't?

[Bowdown27]

That is really nuts what they've given up. This kid better be the real deal or the redskins are goin to be in the dumps for years

[SDogo]

I'm not to happy about this, yes they gave up alot but they are 42 million under the cap. hey will now spend that money to get players around him. Get ready to see Nicks in a redskins uni. Also a big time WR or two.

Only if you buy RG3 is the next big thing, I dont.

[Risen Star]

When was the last time we were in position like we are now to?

We showed we are willing to go big last year but luckily Jerry used his brain and backed off of a 30yr old corner. Now we are in position to upgrade.

Two things.

1) What position are we in now that we haven't been in other years?

2) If "backed off" means Asomugha choosing the Eagles, I agree.

[cowboy_ron]

We aren't getting Williams. Get real.
Link?

[Bowdown27]

Crazy how much they gave up. I hope for the redskins sake he's the next mcnabb because other wise they are going to be very very bad

[Risen Star]

Very true, could be coincidence it was worded almost the exact same way.

Either way, I'm not going to argue with the guy, if he has his sources, more power to him. I'm glad he was kinda right. :)

I'm an ESPN Insider, so you might want to perk up when you see I've posted.

[cowboy_ron]

Redskins got bent backwards and well..........you know the rest.

Could not be happier right now.
Big time

[jblaze2004]

we definitely need to upgrade the passrush. The only team we beat last year in the NFC east last year was the redskins (with really bad QB). With the redskins/shanny run game(cut blocking) and RG3 running like vick. We need to get faster on D. Or we will be lucky to win any games in the NFC east. But the skins gave up way too much for griffin. they better hope he doesn't bust or man. Look out.

[Pabst]

I like RG3. But no player is worth 3 1s and a 2.

[newlander]

Crazy how much they gave up. I hope for the redskins sake he's the next mcnabb because other wise they are going to be very very bad



.......why on earth would you hope he's "the next McNabb'? Wrong board bro: extremeskins awaits

[Risen Star]

we definitely need to upgrade the passrush. The only team we beat last year in the NFC east last year was the redskins (with really bad QB). With the redskins/shanny run game(cut blocking) and RG3 running like vick. We need to get faster on D. Or we will be lucky to win any games in the NFC east. But the skins gave up way too much for griffin. they better hope he doesn't bust or man. Look out.

I think this is the first FA/Draft results freak out post.

Ah, spring is here.

[cowboy_ron]

That's why the deal got done now. St. Louis couldn't say no to three 1s and a 2.

But, I still say that if you get a true franchise QB for the next 10 years out of the deal, it's a good move. You can always get creative to obtain more draft picks. In this league, if you don't have a QB you can not compete on a regular basis.
By giving up that much, he will just have a supporting cast of second tier JAGS

[RastaRocket]

Two things.

1) What position are we in now that we haven't been in other years?

2) If "backed off" means Asomugha choosing the Eagles, I agree.

Cap room. Plethora of young top level free agents in their prime that fill holes we have. We have a platter of goodies in front of us.

By backed off I mean not going up another $20 mil to match the Eagles.

[SkinsFan82]

According to Schefter : "Before Redskins-Rams deal, Browns tried to make last-minute push to make trade for second overall pick. By then, too late."

Obviously this isn't a draft day trade, so I'm not sure why waiting a day to hear them out would have hurt.

I guess they saw what Danny boy offered up and tripped over themselves to agree, can't blame them. He probably had Bruce Allen tied up in a closest while he was making this deal.

[Califan007]

That is really nuts what they've given up. This kid better be the real deal or the redskins are goin to be in the dumps for years
We've already been in the dumps for years lol...that's hardly a reason for not taking a chance at this point. At least we're swinging for the fences the right way this time...if RG3 turns into a home run, we've just plugged a grand canyon sized hole for the next decade or more.

[newlander]

we definitely need to upgrade the passrush. The only team we beat last year in the NFC east last year was the redskins (with really bad QB). With the redskins/shanny run game(cut blocking) and RG3 running like vick. We need to get faster on D. Or we will be lucky to win any games in the NFC east. But the skins gave up way too much for griffin. they better hope he doesn't bust or man. Look out.



.......but......this kid is gonna blow UP IMO.......hope to hell I'm wrong but there is ONE aspect I'd be worried about if I was a skins fan: injury. He isn't big and has had concussion issues already: just sayin'.

[Jenky]

Rams made out with the picks, but not only that. They'll get their boy Blackmon at #6 anyhow.

[Risen Star]

Cap room. Plethora of young top level free agents in their prime that fill holes we have. We have a platter of goodies and if we want one can be ours.

By backed off I mean not going up another $20 mil to match the Eagles.

Cap room?

I haven't looked but I'm betting if they ranked the teams and their available cap space, the Cowboys would be in the bottom half of that list.

Jerry didn't have a chance to match anything. While he was busy high fiving Stephen, Nnamdi was agreeing to terms with the Eagles.

[newlander]

According to Schefter : "Before Redskins-Rams deal, Browns tried to make last-minute push to make trade for second overall pick. By then, too late."

Obviously this isn't a draft day trade, so I'm not sure why waiting a day to hear them out would have hurt.

I guess they saw what Danny boy offered up and tripped over themselves to agree, can't blame them. He probably had Bruce Allen tied up in a closest while he was making this deal.


......that's a helluva post if true. I can see it going that way too: allen is good at what he does but as I said NUMEROUS times the past month: snyder wanted him and would give up his whole draft ala ricky williams and the saints did with Ditka years ago to get this kid: Lil' Dan is like the honey badger: he doesn't give a RIP.

[dez_for_prez]

Rams made out with the picks, but not only that. They'll get their boy Blackmon at #6 anyhow.


I think he Browns might take him. That or the Texas A&M qb.

[Jenky]

I can also see the Skins going all in for Carl Nicks now.

[Blue Eyed Devil]

Bring all the talent to the NFC East, that's the way I like it.

If the Cowboys are the best team in the NFL then it doesn't matter what the Redskins or anyone else does. The job of Garrett, Jerry, and Stephen is to build the best team in the NFL. If they do their job then all this is just background noise.

[greg08]

its not that bad for the skins really. the skins and rams traded first round picks. so basically the skins traded two #! draft pics and a #2 draft pick. we were dumb enough to trade two #1's for joey galloway. FTL

[RS12]

Albert Breer ‏ @AlbertBreer Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
And for those who think the Redskins are crazy ... I'm told there were multiple teams outside of Washington bidding in that range for RG3.

[Prossman]

The skins with the cap money also have 19 freeagents Appx. to sign. 3 number ones and a 2 wow. it would be funny if the guy is a bust. Probably wont but still it would be awesome.

[SkinsHokieFan]

This is the Jay Cutler trade

Remember, we NET LOSE 2 first round picks, NOT 3. There is the swap this year.

I am on cloud 9. Hope has returned to Washington

[newlander]

I can also see the Skins going all in for Carl Nicks now.



.....especially because RG3 did get banged around and nicked in college: I'd expect to see Nicks in DC the first HOUR of free agency.


btw: HOW THE HELL ARE THE FORESKINS 42 MIL UNDER THE CAP? HOW??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????:bang2:

[Nation]

its not that bad for the skins really. the skins and rams traded first round picks. so basically the skins traded two #! draft pics and a #2 draft pick. we were dumb enough to trade two #1's for joey galloway. FTL

It's 3 one's. They sacrificed two 1's and a 2 to move up 4 spots.

[Jenky]

I think he Browns might take him. That or the Texas A&M qb.

Very true. I forgot about that. Since they just lost out on RGIII:laugh2:

[SkinsFan82]

Dear God...

Schefter : "Trade will not change Redskins plans in pursuing Peyton Manning. Intend to talk with and try to sign him, even if considered a longshot."

Yeah...ok...

[Jenky]

.....especially because RG3 did get banged around and nicked in college: I'd expect to see Nicks in DC the first HOUR of free agency.


btw: HOW THE HELL ARE THE FORESKINS 42 MIL UNDER THE CAP? HOW??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????:bang2:

I can see a real push by them in FA. Wouldn't surprise me if they went after Nicks and a profile WR... maybe Vincent Jackson?

[Risen Star]

its not that bad for the skins really. the skins and rams traded first round picks. so basically the skins traded two #! draft pics and a #2 draft pick. we were dumb enough to trade two #1's for joey galloway. FTL

If he doesn't pan out, it's a devastating move. Not only the loss of four prime picks but the time you will have put in developing him.

It's got a ceiling a mile high and a basement to the Earth's core. It's why I thought the Redskins would be the most likely team to take this gamble.

[Bluestang]

Only if you buy RG3 is the next big thing, I dont.

what is your scouting report on him? I see the intangibles but I think he has the smarts to get the mental part of it down in a few years.

[SDogo]

Ok, seen enough Rerdtird talk on a Cowboys board for one day.

Time to move this to the NFL Zone.

[WoodysGirl]

Adam Schefter ‏ @AdamSchefter

Trade will not change Redskins plans in pursuing Peyton Manning. Intend to talk with and try to sign him, even if considered a longshot.

[casmith07]

If you're St. Louis how could you not take the deal?

You move a few slots down this year, and then in each of the next two years you've potentially got an extra first rounder in the Top 15 picks of the draft.

It's pretty crazy. Just the ammo they/Fisher need to rebuild that team.

[SkinsFan82]

I can see a real push by them in FA. Wouldn't surprise me if they went after Nicks and a profile WR... maybe Vincent Jackson?

Supposedly Shanahan is a huge VJax fan. He's been his ideal pickup at WR for years, since he was in Denver.

Getting some resolution at QB should help the sell for VJax.

[WoodysGirl]

Ok, seen enough Rerdtird talk on a Cowboys board for one day.

Time to move this to the NFL Zone.
I tried it...but a new thread kept popping up here. We'll let it marinate here for a couple hours when it's not as hot and ship it off.

[The30YardSlant]

As good as I think RGIII could be the Redskins got absolutely fleeced here, three first round picks and two second round picks? No player is worth that.

Washington won't have a first round pick against until 2015 :laugh2:

[SDogo]

what is your scouting report on him? I see the intangibles but I think he has the smarts to get the mental part of it down in a few years.

I think he has all the tools but he rep is coming from his mobility. The NFL has scene it and Michael Vick did not invent it. Last I checked Pocket Passers were still winning SB's and scat backs with arms were watching the playoff's.

This will always be a prototypical pocket passer league.

While players like RG3 and Vick are like shiny sports cars and they are all fun to look at and watch them go fast it's the Mannings and Brady's who still own the road.

Luck will have his first SB before RG3 has his first playoff win.

[WoodysGirl]

DARNELL DOCKETT ‏ @ddockett (https://twitter.com/#%21/ddockett)

LMFAOOOOOO the Redskins gave up that ricky williams ****. LOL a whole draft for RG3 LOL I'm dying LOL I'm gonna wear a skins hat tonight!

[Risen Star]

As good as I think RGIII could be the Redskins got absolutely fleeced here, three first round picks and two second round picks? No player is worth that.

Washington won't have a first round pick against until 2015 :laugh2:
Wait, now it's two 2nd round picks?

[Chris in Arizona]

Some people owe Kirbyk21 an apology.

[Califan007]

.....especially because RG3 did get banged around and nicked in college: I'd expect to see Nicks in DC the first HOUR of free agency.


btw: HOW THE HELL ARE THE FORESKINS 42 MIL UNDER THE CAP? HOW??????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????:bang2:
We got rid of Vinny lol :)...

[SDogo]

I tried it...but a new thread kept popping up here. We'll let it marinate here for a couple hours when it's not as hot and ship it off.

Proof again the skids are like a wart........

[SkinsFan82]

As good as I think RGIII could be the Redskins got absolutely fleeced here, three first round picks and two second round picks? No player is worth that.

Washington won't have a first round pick against until 2015 :laugh2:

It's a huge roll of the dice.

If he reaches his potential and team finds success to match that potential then it'll be well worth if. Anything less than that and it could go down as one of the worst trades ever. It's a wait and see game.

[Jenky]

Supposedly Shanahan is a huge VJax fan. He's been his ideal pickup at WR for years, since he was in Denver.

Getting some resolution at QB should help the sell for VJax.

I think they'll be obligated to. I'm seeing that they did give up their 2nd round pick this year.

[Risen Star]

It's a huge roll of the dice.

If he reaches his potential and team finds success to match that potential then it'll be well worth if. Anything less than that and it could go down as one of the worst trades ever. It's a wait and see game.

If it's a wait and see game, why are you putting your hair in dreads as we type?

[reddyuta]

RG3 is worth it imo.Redskins have pretty good defense and this will now make them contenders for the division.

[RastaRocket]

Cap room?

I haven't looked but I'm betting if they ranked the teams and their available cap space, the Cowboys would be in the bottom half of that list.

Jerry didn't have a chance to match anything. While he was busy high fiving Stephen, Nnamdi was agreeing to terms with the Eagles.

Sure we're middle of the pack but we have enough space to work with and possibly sign a high priced FA. Official cap has not been set yet for 2012 but reports are we will have around $13 mil.

[Jenky]

RG3 is worth it imo.Redskins have pretty good defense and this will now make them contenders for the division.

Not yet. They need to protect him which is what I think their next move will reflect. Then probably a playmaker on offense.

[RastaRocket]

RG3 is worth it imo.Redskins have pretty good defense and this will now make them contenders for the division.

Division should be pretty entertaining, not gonna lie.

[stiletto]

Typical Snyder move, at least he went for a Franchise QB this time. It will be feast or major famine for them for years to come....

[SkinsFan82]

If it's a wait and see game, why are you putting your hair in dreads as we type?

haha... I'm just saying as far as history goes.

As a fan I'm going to jump on the hype train and pray it doesn't go off the tracks.

I'm a Redskins fan, hope is all I have....

[SkinsHokieFan]

Again, the Redskins NET loss is 3 picks, two firsts and a 2nd

Well worth it if he pans out.

If not, whats the worst that happens? 4 straight last place finishes?

[Risen Star]

Sure we're middle of the pack but we have enough space to work with and possibly sign a high priced FA. Official cap has not been set yet for 2012 but reports are we will have around $13 mil.

Yeah, but you asked when was the last time we've been in this position.

There's been a lot of years over the last ten that we have been in the very same position cap wise.

[The30YardSlant]

This is the Jay Cutler trade

Remember, we NET LOSE 2 first round picks, NOT 3. There is the swap this year.

I am on cloud 9. Hope has returned to Washington

You're deluding yourself. RGIII could be John Elway combined with Peyton Manning with the legs of michael Vick and he still wasnt worth this much. The Redskins got dressed down. You can't build a team by going three years with one pick in the first two rounds TOTAL.

[TheFinisher]

Have to say I like this trade for Washington. 2 1st Round picks is a small price to pay if he pans out.

[RastaRocket]

Again, the Redskins NET loss is 3 picks, two firsts and a 2nd

Well worth it if he pans out.

If not, whats the worst that happens? 4 straight last place finishes?

Going to have to agree with the Skins fan. How much worse can it get?

You guys got your work cut out now but what the hell.

[The30YardSlant]

It's a huge roll of the dice.

If he reaches his potential and team finds success to match that potential then it'll be well worth if. Anything less than that and it could go down as one of the worst trades ever. It's a wait and see game.

How can he match the potential without any help? Washington is completely void of offensive talent. RGIII can't complete passes to himself. You guys needed those picks.

[pjtoadie]

So Washington is STILL going to try and sign Peyton?! :laugh2:

[RastaRocket]

You're deluding yourself. RGIII could be John Elway combined with Peyton Manning with the legs of michael Vick and he still wasnt worth this much. The Redskins got dressed down. You can't build a team by going three years with one pick in the first two rounds TOTAL.

3 years... 3 picks within first two rounds.

1 first and 2 seconds.

[SDogo]

3 years... 3 picks within first two rounds.

1 first and 2 seconds.

They will trade them.........

[The30YardSlant]

Again, the Redskins NET loss is 3 picks, two firsts and a 2nd

Well worth it if he pans out.

If not, whats the worst that happens? 4 straight last place finishes?

If RGIII isnt a first-ballot hall of famer it is the worst trade since the Herschal Walker deal. If he's the greatest ever, it's still a questionable deal. Washington essentially traded four future starters for one and are already void of offensive talent.

[SkinsHokieFan]

You're deluding yourself. RGIII could be John Elway combined with Peyton Manning with the legs of michael Vick and he still wasnt worth this much. The Redskins got dressed down. You can't build a team by going three years with one pick in the first two rounds TOTAL.

Uh, we aren't

2012: First

2013: Second

2014: Second

Again, its the Jay Cutler trade (two first round picks+Orton, replace Orton with the 2nd this year)

[gimmesix]

If not, whats the worst that happens?

JaMarcus Russell, for a higher price.

[newlander]

How can he match the potential without any help? Washington is completely void of offensive talent. RGIII can't complete passes to himself. You guys needed those picks.


......jet is warmed up for Nicks and Vincent Jackson, plus Davis is a helluva tight end: they aren't 'void' of talent: wish it was true but it isn't.:bang2:

[SDogo]

Uh, we aren't

2012: First

2013: Second

2014: Second

Again, its the Jay Cutler trade (two first round picks+Orton, replace Orton with the 2nd this year)


You don't count 2012, you basically traded for the player. That money is spent, you don't get to use it again.

[SkinsHokieFan]

If RGIII isnt a first-ballot hall of famer it is the worst trade since the Herschal Walker deal. If he's the greatest ever, it's still a questionable deal. Washington essentially traded four future starters for one and are already void of offensive talent.

No, we didn't

Do the math

SWAP firsts next year

2012: 2nd gone

2013: 1st gone

2014: 1st gone

NET NET, loss of 3 picks

[SkinsHokieFan]

You don't count 2012, you basically traded for the player. That money is spent, you don't get to use it again.

But we still have a 1st round in 2012. Thats the point. We do *not* lose the 2012 first

[Chris in Arizona]

RG3 is an elite talent and an elite young human being. He's will breathe life into that organization. They paid a steep to get him but they are gambling on an amazing player. He will be the face of their franchise for the next decade.

I am going to hate hating him over the next several years.

Our defense struggled against Vick both games and now we get him twice and RG3 twice every year. We need to get faster on D immediately. Not saying we won't, just that we need to.

Congrats Redskins fans. You still suck.

[SDogo]

......jet is warmed up for Nicks and Vincent Jackson, plus Davis is a helluva tight end: they aren't 'void' of talent: wish it was true but it isn't.:bang2:

Give me a break, there is no guarantee they will sign any of those guys.

They still have to field a team beyond the starters and they don't play for free.

[Jenky]

......jet is warmed up for Nicks and Vincent Jackson, plus Davis is a helluva tight end: they aren't 'void' of talent: wish it was true but it isn't.:bang2:

Yeah man they are way under the cap. They'll surround RG3 with talent. Watch. It's going to change pretty quickly.

[Go Big D!]

......jet is warmed up for Nicks and Vincent Jackson, plus Davis is a helluva tight end: they aren't 'void' of talent: wish it was true but it isn't.:bang2:

Did you just count two players they don't have as part of their talent pool?

[SkinsHokieFan]

Give me a break, there is no guarantee they will sign any of those guys.

They still have to field a team beyond the starters and they don't play for free.

Yup. I am not expecting to see the "fruits" of this mortgage until 2016-2017ish, after a few full drafts again.

Absolutlely ready for that. The next 3-4 years I am still expecting to be a struggle

Essentially, anyone expecting us to compete next year because of this move are delusional. 2016 and beyond

[RastaRocket]

Yeah, but you asked when was the last time we've been in this position.

There's been a lot of years over the last ten that we have been in the very same position cap wise.

I guess. But not all those years would have helped much. Were starting to get a pretty solid young circle of players around Tony. If we draft as well as we have the last 2 seasons and add a spark plug from free agency we have a damn good team. This year we have 3 solid options to chase that could really help bolster our team; and the oldest one is Williams who is 27 (Other Carr, Nicks blah blah). It seems like an opportune time to make a move.

[Risen Star]

Yeah man they are way under the cap. They'll surround RG3 with talent. Watch. It's going to change pretty quickly.

You don't make this kind of trade without having every intention of giving him the weapons he needs to develop.

I'm not saying what they're doing is right, but let's not act like they don't have a plan. Like they just traded for Griffin on the fly here and expect him to carry them by himself.

They'll be aggressive free agent spenders. They'll probably move around the draft a lot the next few years to acquire more picks.

[cowboy_ron]

If RGIII isnt a first-ballot hall of famer it is the worst trade since the Herschal Walker deal. If he's the greatest ever, it's still a questionable deal. Washington essentially traded four future starters for one and are already void of offensive talent.
I agree that it seems high, but if he turns out to be their QB for the next decade...which they haven't had, it will turn out well for them. The flip side is that with limited low rd picks they will be surrounding him with a lot of hit and miss players

[newlander]

Yeah man they are way under the cap. They'll surround RG3 with talent. Watch. It's going to change pretty quickly.



it will: man, to say it won't is to deny EVER paying attention to lil dan at FA time. Thing is, it isn't 'my cousin vinny' in the GM chair now: it's Bruce Allen who knows what he's doing. RG3, Nicks and a solid receiver like Jackson? Yikes would that SUCK.

[SDogo]

Yup. I am not expecting to see the "fruits" of this mortgage until 2016-2017ish, after a few full drafts again.

Absolutlely ready for that. The next 3-4 years I am still expecting to be a struggle

I expect them to sign another high impact FA ala Nicks or Jackson and then they need to focus on filling the roster. They depleted the draft so they need to fill in with value FA's.

[The30YardSlant]

Yup. I am not expecting to see the "fruits" of this mortgage until 2016-2017ish, after a few full drafts again.

Absolutlely ready for that. The next 3-4 years I am still expecting to be a struggle

Essentially, anyone expecting us to compete next year because of this move are delusional. 2016 and beyond

So wait, you arent expecting to see benefits until RGIII's FIFTH or SIXTH year in the league and you still think it's a good deal? He'll already be labeled a bust by then if Washington keeps finishing last.

:laugh2:

[Jenky]

You don't make this kind of trade without having every intention of giving him the weapons he needs to develop.

I'm not saying what they're doing is right, but let's not act like they don't have a plan. Like they just traded for Griffin on the fly here and expect him to carry them by himself.

They'll be aggressive free agent spenders. They'll probably move around the draft a lot the next few years to acquire more picks.

I agree 100%. They have NO choice but to be aggressive in FA. They are 41 millionish under the cap? <- Correct me if I'm wrong.

The only thing they can do now is go out and get players at premium positions.

[Nomad]

I think they did this today partly to save face in the whole Peyton Manning FA thing, he basically refused to talk to Washington and wasn't even going to visit them. The way they talked about it on ESPN today was real embarrassing for the Skins.

RG3 is probably the better long term deal for them, but they gave up too much.

It works out better for us, if Tony's window is the next 3-5 years maybe RG3 won't be at his potential until after then anyway. I don't think he comes in like Cam Newton next year.

[Risen Star]

If RGIII isnt a first-ballot hall of famer it is the worst trade since the Herschal Walker deal. If he's the greatest ever, it's still a questionable deal. Washington essentially traded four future starters for one and are already void of offensive talent.

Now you're just hating just to hate.

Who the heck is gonna care about these picks if he turns into the GOAT QB?

If Tom Brady arrived in New England with the same price tag, would people care now? Heck no.

[numnuts23]

Did Baylor win the National Championship and I missed it? He's good but he's still a rookie and can be easily rattled when hit hard. Some of you guys are acting like he is the best QB in the league already. :confused:

[SDogo]

I agree 100%. They have NO choice but to be aggressive in FA. They are 41 millionish under the cap? <- Correct me if I'm wrong.

The only thing they can do now is go out and get players at premium positions.

No one knows till they release the cap.

They have their own FA's to sign

They have a roster to fill beyond OG, QB and WR.

Yes, they are in good shape cap wise but they are not with out limits. There are teams in a better position.

[RastaRocket]

But we still have a 1st round in 2012. Thats the point. We do *not* lose the 2012 first

I follow you. You upgrade the 2012 first. It's 1st 2nd 2nd in 3 years; not so sure what the confusion is.

[The30YardSlant]

No, we didn't

Do the math

SWAP firsts next year

2012: 2nd gone

2013: 1st gone

2014: 1st gone

NET NET, loss of 3 picks

No, you do the math

Four future starters for one

4-1=3

Silly Redskins fans :laugh2:

[Chocolate Lab]

Well, from someone who just logged and hadn't heard this, what an interesting thread.

And to those who think it's funny... Hope you're right. But I doubt it. This sucks.

Maybe it's been too long since we had to put up with the Quincys and Hutches of the world and people have forgotten how hopeless it is to not have a QB. It is a steep price, but I know this -- I'd rather be a Skins fan than a Browns fan right now. What are the Browns going to do for a QB? There simply aren't any out there. Their fans are going to have to sit through yet another sucky year and hope they can draft one next year, I guess. At least the Skins are getting a great talent and maybe a better person. And we have to face him for years to come. :(

[Aikbach]

I will wear a Baylor jersey, not a redskin jersey on game days when he doesn't play the Cowboys, I'll be an RG3 fan, hope his stats are to the moon and his team 6-10.

[SkinsFan82]

No, you do the math

Four future starters for one

4-1=3

Silly Redskins fans :laugh2:

Are you counting the player they would have taken at #6 if the trade never happened or something?

[The30YardSlant]

I will wear a Baylor jersey, not a redskin jersey on game days when he doesn't play the Cowboys, I'll be an RG3 fan, hope his stats are to the moon and his team 6-10.

Hope he gets traded to someone else after never winning a game in DC through six years.

[Jenky]

No one knows till they release the cap.

They have their own FA's to sign

They have a roster to fill beyond OG, QB and WR.

Yes, they are in good shape cap wise but they are not with out limits. There are teams in a better position.

They do, but none of their FA are going to demand a huge contract. None that come to mind at least.

Their current starters are locked in contracts. A lot of them are still in their rookie contracts.

[Smashin222]

No, you do the math

Four future starters for one

4-1=3

Silly Redskins fans :laugh2:

This is 100% correct, do the math

For RG3 you spend a 2012 1st rounder, a 2013 first rounder a 2014 first rounder and a 2013 2nd rounder.

You get 1 player for 4 picks.

So in Cutler terms

You get Cutler (2012 first rounder) -- they get Orton (2nd rounder) and 3 (2012, 2013, 2014) first round picks, you dig?

Your analysis makes it sound like you weren't picking 6 -- which you were.

[The30YardSlant]

Are you counting the player they would have taken at #6 if the trade never happened or something?

I'm saying the Redskins lost a NET of three potential starters in exchange for RGIII. Thus my comment "trading four starters for one". if they hadnt made this trade, they'd have three more top two round picks over the next three years.

[Smashin222]

That post is intended for the skins fan trying to convince himself the price was lower than it was

[SWG9]

Well, from someone who just logged and hadn't heard this, what an interesting thread.

And to those who think it's funny... Hope you're right. But I doubt it. This sucks.

Maybe it's been too long since we had to put up with the Quincys and Hutches of the world and people have forgotten how hopeless it is to not have a QB. It is a steep price, but I know this -- I'd rather be a Skins fan than a Browns fan right now. What are the Browns going to do for a QB? There simply aren't any out there. Their fans are going to have to sit through yet another sucky year and hope they can draft one next year, I guess. At least the Skins are getting a great talent and maybe a better person. And we have to face him for years to come. :(

So true. I was really hoping that Washington wouldn't land RGIII. Great kid, likely a great player, and I really didn't want to have to face him twice a year for the next 10-12 years.

[SDogo]

They do, but none of their FA are going to demand a huge contract. None that come to mind at least.

Their current starters are locked in contracts. A lot of them are still in their rookie contracts.

No but the money comes from somewhere. If you have a 80 dollars in your bank account you can only order so many prime rib dinners before you have to switch to McDoubles before you just go hungry if you don't have the money (Draft Picks) to replenish the account.

[Nation]

Washington was going to get themselves a quarterback eventually. Better that they pay a hell of a lot to get one.

[SDogo]

Washington was going to get themselves a quarterback eventually. Better that they pay a hell of a lot to get one.

I just hope when it's the Cowboys turn they suck more then the rest so they dont have to pay the price.:D

[Smashin222]

If there's one thing Jerry hates, its being upstaged. Expect a big move, and Brandon Carr isn't it. I'd bet we see a splash move in Free Agency as a return serve. NFC East man, gets crazy up in this.

[SkinsandTerps]

You're deluding yourself. RGIII could be John Elway combined with Peyton Manning with the legs of michael Vick and he still wasnt worth this much. The Redskins got dressed down. You can't build a team by going three years with one pick in the first two rounds TOTAL.

That is just silly.

The draft is a crap shoot. Always has been.

Let's not fool ourselves into thinking a first rounder on any given year is a sure thing. The Redskins are indeed rolling the dice. But that is not so say they can't roll the dice again to pick up another first round pick in the future.

[SDogo]

If there's one thing Jerry hates, its being upstaged. Expect a big move, and Brandon Carr isn't it. I'd bet we see a splash move in Free Agency as a return serve. NFC East man, gets crazy up in this.

Yes sir, Danny Boy may have done the Cowboys fans a favor pulling this off so early.

[This is Our Year]

The begnning few pages on this thread is great LOL. Man that guy that posted this got crapped on, and then, oh shoot I guess he's right.
:laugh1:

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That is just silly.

The draft is a crap shoot. Always has been.

Let's not fool ourselves into thinking a first rounder on any given year is a sure thing. The Redskins are indeed rolling the dice. But that is not so say they can't roll the dice again to pick up another first round pick in the future.

It becomes even more of a crap shoot. You are talking about a franchise that knows all too well about giving up multiple first rounders. If you want to list the stupid things jerry jones has done over the last decade or so the Galloway and Williams trades for multiple first rounders were the worst.

Be excited because its your team but its not like you guys have had a track record of success dealing away all your early picks. Just seems like business as usual in DC.

[SkinsHokieFan]

It becomes even more of a crap shoot. You are talking about a franchise that knows all too well about giving up multiple first rounders. If you want to list the stupid things jerry jones has done over the last decade or so the Galloway and Williams trades for multiple first rounders were the worst.

Be excited because its your team but its not like you guys have had a track record of success dealing away all your early picks. Just seems like business as usual in DC.

No, business as usual is Peyton Manning for 20 M guaranteed.

The Redskins have never traded UP to get a potential franchise changing QB.

We have been in QB hell for 20 plus years

@SI_PeterKing: One NFL GM told me: "If you're Washington, and haven't had a QB in so long, you can't pay too much for Griffin.''”

[yentl911]

Looks like Kirby was on the money. Good for you. Apologies anyone???

[RW Hitman]

Hershel walker trade all over again. St. Louis is making out big time here

[TheCount]

This makes me absolutely sad. I love RG3. Damn.

[Joe Realist]

This is all related to Peyton Manning. Skins want him, he does not want them, so alternative is to get RG3 and they HAVE to make this trade before free agency so they are not left without a " franchise quarterback " real or perceived.

[rathalarge]

Bring all the talent to the NFC East, that's the way I like it.

If the Cowboys are the best team in the NFL then it doesn't matter what the Redskins or anyone else does. The job of Garrett, Jerry, and Stephen is to build the best team in the NFL. If they do their job then all this is just background noise.
Shhhhhh!! Don't say that here! :D

[AKATheRake]

If there's a coach and offensive system that can utilize RGIII's skill set, that would be Shanny and the West Coast offense he employs.

The Skins did this 4 days before FA because the are obviously looking to analyze FA opportunities and load up the offense.

Nicks and Jackson will absolutely be targeted by them.

They give up some serious picks in the future but they will find the kid talent to play with and the Rat knows offense.

[SkinsandTerps]

Be excited because its your team but its not like you guys have had a track record of success dealing away all your early picks. Just seems like business as usual in DC.

And be excited because keeping those picks or trading them has worked so well for your team.

;)

[honyock]

Well, from someone who just logged and hadn't heard this, what an interesting thread.

And to those who think it's funny... Hope you're right. But I doubt it. This sucks.

Maybe it's been too long since we had to put up with the Quincys and Hutches of the world and people have forgotten how hopeless it is to not have a QB. It is a steep price, but I know this -- I'd rather be a Skins fan than a Browns fan right now. What are the Browns going to do for a QB? There simply aren't any out there. Their fans are going to have to sit through yet another sucky year and hope they can draft one next year, I guess. At least the Skins are getting a great talent and maybe a better person. And we have to face him for years to come. :(

That was my reaction too. As much as they paid, I can get why they did it...you swing for the fences for a QB you believe has got the goods. If he works out, the draft picks will end up being worth it. A franchise quarterback is the most valuable commodity in the game. A franchise QB AND a good defense is a nice combination.

Eli, Romo, Vick, and RG3. That will be some sexy primetime games for years to come in the NFCE.

[TheCount]

BTW SDogo said early ob that he had heard Danny loved RG3 and was willing to sell the farm for him.

[Kangaroo]

When is the last time we acquired a top FA?

They thought they had Nami and they did chase him hard so last year they went after the top FA and just lost out. Yet the we did nothing :banghead:

They made the attempt it came up short in that quest and at one point they thought they had him then the Eagles got him in the last minute

[gimmesix]

@SI_PeterKing: The Redskins GM told me: "If you're Washington, and haven't had a QB in so long, you can't pay too much for Griffin.''”

Fixed it for you.

[tupperware]

How come we can never benefit from trades like this. It's always us as the ones bent over.

[rcaldw]

Well, from someone who just logged and hadn't heard this, what an interesting thread.

And to those who think it's funny... Hope you're right. But I doubt it. This sucks.

Maybe it's been too long since we had to put up with the Quincys and Hutches of the world and people have forgotten how hopeless it is to not have a QB. It is a steep price, but I know this -- I'd rather be a Skins fan than a Browns fan right now. What are the Browns going to do for a QB? There simply aren't any out there. Their fans are going to have to sit through yet another sucky year and hope they can draft one next year, I guess. At least the Skins are getting a great talent and maybe a better person. And we have to face him for years to come. :(

Finally, in this long thread, someone who thinks about it the way I do (from a Cowboys perspective).

Maybe this turns out to be a bad move. Maybe this turns out to be the DEVASTATING move that some on here predict. But it could also turn out to be a great move. And I'm sorry, I completely disagree with anyone who says that if he turns out to be a first ballot hall of famer this was still a questionable move. That's crazy. There are first rounders almost every year that DON'T MAKE IT in the NFL, in terms of becoming big time players. There is no guarantee that the other first rounders they traded will turn out big.

And I'll be honest. I miss the days when the Cowboys were making BOLD moves that were also GOOD moves.

Jerry (post Jimmy) has made HEADLINE moves, but none of them turned out very well. (That I can remember).

I think we need some bold moves for our team. I'm tired of the mediocrity.

[sacase]

Wow...way to much for unproven talent. Everyone is saying how good his is but honestly, I haven't been impressed with RGIII, especially not the price that was paid. I laughed so hard....They are crippled.

But I think JJ over reacts and we grab Williams in FA to make sure we have a pass rush.

I am so glad the skins did this....buying talent is never good...

[DallasInDC]

Again, the Redskins NET loss is 3 picks, two firsts and a 2nd

Well worth it if he pans out.

If not, whats the worst that happens? 4 straight last place finishes?

You're looking at it wrong. you are giving up 3 #1's and a #2 for one player. this reminds me a lot of the Jason Campbell trade several years ago. I hope the results are the same. :D

[WVSkinsfan]

This makes me absolutely sad. I love RG3. Damn.

Its never to late to become a Redskins fan you know!!;)

[WVSkinsfan]

You're looking at it wrong. you are giving up 3 #1's and a #2 for one player. this reminds me a lot of the Jason Campbell trade several years ago. I hope the results are the same. :D


The Skins are only giving up two first rounders boys b/c we get the rams pick this year.It won't be a bad trade at all IF RG3 becomes a succesful QB.

[dexternjack]

Good for the skins to give it a shot. I like RGIII as well, this could be their franchise QB for years to come or he could be the next Jemarcus Russell, who knows. Who yas think gave up the most here, Skins or Raiders for Palmer?

[Smashin222]

The Skins are only giving up two first rounders boys b/c we get the rams pick this year.It won't be a bad trade at all IF RG3 becomes a succesful QB.



This is "Washington math"

come on man -- you weren't going to select a player with the 6th pick?

You're giving up 4 picks for RG3

You get 2012 #2 (RG3)

you give up

2012 # 6
2012 #35
2013 1st round
2014 1st round

COUNT THEM

4 players for 1 player
Nobody cares how many you're "giving up"
The whole point is Opportunity Cost

The opportunity cost you've generated by drafting RG3 is 3 first rounders and a 2nd rounder.

[Goku]

i don't feel good about this.

[Kirbyk21]

As many of you said I myself feel they gave up too much for RG3. My friend plays on he offensive side of the ball as well for skins and he's not very excited either because of his injury past and they gave up a lot for an unproven player.

As a cowboys fan I am happy for this trade. However we need to hope that they don't go after a ton of free agents!

[DallasInDC]

The Redskins have never traded UP to get a potential franchise changing QB.

I can understand why you forgot about the Jason Campbell trade. if I remember correctly it was 2 #1's and a 3Rd or 4th.

[WVSkinsfan]

This is "Washington math"

come on man -- you weren't going to select a player with the 6th pick?

You're giving up 4 picks for RG3

You get 2012 #2 (RG3)

you give up

2012 # 6
2012 #35
2013 1st round
2014 1st round

COUNT THEM

4 players for 1 player
Nobody cares how many you're "giving up"
The whole point is Opportunity Cost

The opportunity cost you've generated by drafting RG3 is 3 first rounders and a 2nd rounder.

I know we are giving up more than 2first rounders.You all kept saying three which isn't true its two. I know it is a alot to give up but the skins needed a qb in the worst way.I would rather see them make this trade than see some other team draft him and watch him put up monster numbers and have a great career.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I can understand why you forgot about the Jason Campbell trade. if I remember correctly it was 2 #1's and a 3Rd or 4th.

#1, 3 and 4

Going up to 25 as opposed to number 2

[Idgit]

I can understand why you forgot about the Jason Campbell trade. if I remember correctly it was 2 #1's and a 3Rd or 4th.

Watch it now, that guy was better than Tony Romo. I remember hearing so at the time.

[RastaRocket]

This is "Washington math"

come on man -- you weren't going to select a player with the 6th pick?

You're giving up 4 picks for RG3

You get 2012 #2 (RG3)

you give up

2012 # 6
2012 #35
2013 1st round
2014 1st round

COUNT THEM

4 players for 1 player
Nobody cares how many you're "giving up"
The whole point is Opportunity Cost

The opportunity cost you've generated by drafting RG3 is 3 first rounders and a 2nd rounder.

Yes opportunity cost 4 is correct.

But he is talking net loss.

He said 2 first rounders so he is correct. If you include the 2nd then yes they lose a net of 3 picks. I got lost in what they were actually trading with all this confusion lol and had to go make sure I corrected myself haha.

Skins lose (net) 3 picks
1 2nd
2 1st

at the cost of 4 picks
3 1st
1 2nd

lol this is being made way too difficult.

[Califan007]

I can understand why you forgot about the Jason Campbell trade. if I remember correctly it was 2 #1's and a 3Rd or 4th.
It was one 1st rounder (#22), a 3rd and a 4th.

[Chocolate Lab]

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:facepalm:

Wow.... Someone sprinkled lead paint chips on their cereal when they were a kid. And continued into adulthood.

[RastaRocket]

Watch it now, that guy was better than Tony Romo. I remember hearing so at the time.

He was better than Roy Williams I'm pretty confident in saying that.

What a stupid trade that was haha.

[Bibby]

This is "Washington math"

come on man -- you weren't going to select a player with the 6th pick?

You're giving up 4 picks for RG3

You get 2012 #2 (RG3)

you give up

2012 # 6
2012 #35
2013 1st round
2014 1st round

COUNT THEM

4 players for 1 player
Nobody cares how many you're "giving up"
The whole point is Opportunity Cost

The opportunity cost you've generated by drafting RG3 is 3 first rounders and a 2nd rounder.

This doesn't make sense. I see it as:
2012 #6 = RG3
2012 #35 = Random Player
2013 #1st = Random Player
2014 #1st = Random Player

So, three potential future players. It sounds like Cowboy fans are really salty about the whole thing. Which is okay. It takes money to make money, right? It's a gamble this fan base and organization is willing to make. There is no real risk because we are already one of the bottom teams in the league.

[sacase]

This doesn't make sense. I see it as:
2012 #6 = RG3
2012 #35 = Random Player
2013 #1st = Random Player
2014 #1st = Random Player

So, three potential future players. It sounds like Cowboy fans are really salty about the whole thing. Which is okay. It takes money to make money, right? It's a gamble this fan base and organization is willing to make. There is no real risk because we are already one of the bottom teams in the league.

Its great because when you suck next year and the year after you can't reap the rewards. This is great for the NFC east. LOL

[SkinsHokieFan]

Its great because when you suck next year and the year after you can't reap the rewards. This is great for the NFC east. LOL


Wait, I thought the NFL was gonna hammer the Redskins and take away our first rounder. The Rams would then in NO WAY make this trade

:lmao2:

[sacase]

Wait, I thought the NFL was gonna hammer the Redskins and take away our first rounder. The Rams would then in NO WAY make this trade

:lmao2:

I still think they should....I don't think you should benefit from your illegal activities. Keep living in the basement cellar dweller...

[Bluestang]

This doesn't make sense. I see it as:
2012 #6 = RG3
2012 #35 = Random Player
2013 #1st = Random Player
2014 #1st = Random Player

So, three potential future players. It sounds like Cowboy fans are really salty about the whole thing. Which is okay. It takes money to make money, right? It's a gamble this fan base and organization is willing to make. There is no real risk because we are already one of the bottom teams in the league.


LOL if you see a second round and two first rounds picks as random players than you my friend have already lost the battle. Good quality teams, championship teams do not miss on these early picks. NYG, GB, PIT, NE always hit on early round picks and don't just select some random guy.

The above argument just lends to the illogical thinking that the Skins' fan base has come to, I'm sorry Redskins and RG3 especially for what you will have to endure.

[CliffnMesquite]

No, no feelings hurt. Just amazed at the double standard.

Stick around. You will be amazed at the triple and quadruple standards.
:)

[DallasInDC]

This is "Washington math"

come on man -- you weren't going to select a player with the 6th pick?

You're giving up 4 picks for RG3

You get 2012 #2 (RG3)

you give up

2012 # 6
2012 #35
2013 1st round
2014 1st round

COUNT THEM

4 players for 1 player
Nobody cares how many you're "giving up"
The whole point is Opportunity Cost

The opportunity cost you've generated by drafting RG3 is 3 first rounders and a 2nd rounder.

Exactly! the skins are using a:

First round this year
Second round this year
First round in 2013
First round in 2014

By my count, 3 first round picks and 1 second round pick = 4 premium picks for a single player. (I never pegged redskins fans as being too bright).

RGIII could very well become a franchise QB, but if he doesn't, this would be the worst trade in NFL history (and he is 1 injury away from that). Giving up 3 #1's and a #2 is lot more than Ditka's 1-7 picks.

[Bibby]

LOL if you see a second round and two first rounds picks as random players than you my friend have already lost the battle. Good quality teams, championship teams do not miss on these early picks. NYG, GB, PIT, NE always hit on early round picks and don't just select some random guy.

The above argument just lends to the illogical thinking that the Skins' fan base has come to, I'm sorry Redskins and RG3 especially for what you will have to endure.

Dude quick nit-picking. Random players obviously represents "future player" or whatever label you deem necessary.

[DallasInDC]

It was one 1st rounder (#22), a 3rd and a 4th.

regardless, it was a trade up for a QB which the OP said the skins have never done.

[TheCoolFan]

Don't worry, Anthony Spencer will make RGIII have nightmares with all the sacks he'll get

[SkinsHokieFan]

"The Cleveland Browns had stepped up their efforts to try to acquire the No. 2 pick in recent days, going so far as to offer at least three No. 1 picks to the Rams and possibly even the second-round pick, according to one source familiar with the deal. Cleveland sensed it was going to get the deal done, only to be informed that St. Louis planned to deal the coveted No. 2 pick to the Redskins."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7668243/source-washington-redskins-acquire-no-2-overall-pick-st-louis-rams

[phildominator]

It's official. Tony Romo is the worst QB in the NFC East.










j/k

[Bluestang]

Dude quick nit-picking. Random players obviously represents "future player" or whatever label you deem necessary.


You make it seem like these random guys are what they are...hit or miss draft pick. In this day in age you can't afford to miss on 1st or 2nd round picks. I'm happy for you guys that you guys got what you want and hope for the best for RG3, but it appears to me that Bruce Allen or whoever is making the calls is not changing their philosophy because they offered way, way too much too soon. The draft is over a month away still so there was plenty of time to negotiate a better deal.

[SkinsHokieFan]

You make it seem like these random guys are what they are...hit or miss draft pick. In this day in age you can't afford to miss on 1st or 2nd round picks. I'm happy for you guys that you guys got what you want and hope for the best for RG3, but it appears to me that Bruce Allen or whoever is making the calls is not changing their philosophy because they offered way, way too much too soon. The draft is over a month away still so there was plenty of time to negotiate a better deal.

There actually wasn't.

Cleveland actually offered a better deal, just too late

"The Cleveland Browns had stepped up their efforts to try to acquire the No. 2 pick in recent days, going so far as to offer at least three No. 1 picks to the Rams and possibly even the second-round pick, according to one source familiar with the deal. Cleveland sensed it was going to get the deal done, only to be informed that St. Louis planned to deal the coveted No. 2 pick to the Redskins."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7668243/source-washington-redskins-acquire-no-2-overall-pick-st-louis-rams

[Bluestang]

"The Cleveland Browns had stepped up their efforts to try to acquire the No. 2 pick in recent days, going so far as to offer at least three No. 1 picks to the Rams and possibly even the second-round pick, according to one source familiar with the deal. Cleveland sensed it was going to get the deal done, only to be informed that St. Louis planned to deal the coveted No. 2 pick to the Redskins."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7668243/source-washington-redskins-acquire-no-2-overall-pick-st-louis-rams


If you put some critical thinking skills to use here, you can clearly come to the conclusion that the Rams believe the Redskins will be finishing top ten or fifteen here the next few years so they felt it would be a better deal with WAS.

I'm sure the Browns were trying to offer their two firsts this year and next year's first but the Rams probably felt that they would finish better than the Redskins and would get later round picks as a result which wasn't as appealing.

What you can take away from here is what other teams think of your organization WAS.

:laugh2:

[Bluestang]

There actually wasn't.

Cleveland actually offered a better deal, just too late

"The Cleveland Browns had stepped up their efforts to try to acquire the No. 2 pick in recent days, going so far as to offer at least three No. 1 picks to the Rams and possibly even the second-round pick, according to one source familiar with the deal. Cleveland sensed it was going to get the deal done, only to be informed that St. Louis planned to deal the coveted No. 2 pick to the Redskins."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7668243/source-washington-redskins-acquire-no-2-overall-pick-st-louis-rams


I just read it and I still think both teams were offering way too much too soon. The Rams played this one right and came away with a treasure at the expense of your front office panicking.

There was two teams clearly in the running for this spot, and much like we got suckered into a bidding war for Nmandi so did WAS for the #2 pick.

[phildominator]

Wondering if the Redskins tried to deal their picks away before the NFL could take their picks away. Surprised that this deal came this quickly.

Man...if RG III suffers some career-threatening injury between now and the draft...

[Parche]

It's official. Tony Romo is the worst QB in the NFC East.










j/k

I was just gonna say that they still have the third best qb in the NFC East.

Lets say Eli is the first, Romo comes second, then comes RG3.

In three years from now, it can be a different story. Today, thats how I see it.

[cowboy_ron]

If you put some critical thinking skills to use here, you can clearly come to the conclusion that the Rams believe the Redskins will be finishing top ten or fifteen here the next few years so they felt it would be a better deal with WAS.

I'm sure the Browns were trying to offer their two firsts this year and next year's first but the Rams probably felt that they would finish better than the Redskins and would get later round picks as a result which wasn't as appealing.

What you can take away from here is what other teams think of your organization WAS.

:laugh2:
Sounds logical

[Beast_from_East]

I like RG3. But no player is worth 3 1s and a 2.
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