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dargonking999
04-06-2005, 07:53 PM
taking away all bias against the players, 3 questions
1)who has been the worst draft pick in the last 10 years for the cowboys
2)who has been the worst 1st day draft pick in the last ten years for the cowboys
3 who has been the worst 1st round draft choice in the last ten years(including all NFL teams,not just the cowboys)
very curious to see you answers
Fletch
04-06-2005, 07:55 PM
Kavika Pittman
Kavika Pittman
and Kavika Pittman
trickblue
04-06-2005, 07:58 PM
Kavika Pittman
Kavika Pittman
and Kavika Pittman
Shante Carver & Quincy Carter want to fight you... Rod Hill is training them...
joshjwp
04-06-2005, 07:59 PM
I didn't know Pittman was a 1st rounder...my answer to no 3 however is
RYAN LEAF!!!!!!
Duane
04-06-2005, 08:00 PM
Lynn Scott (I know he wasn't drafted but can't help it.), Goodrich and Carver.
Spontae
04-06-2005, 08:01 PM
taking away all bias against the players, 3 questions
1)who has been the worst draft pick in the last 10 years for the cowboys
2)who has been the worst 1st day draft pick in the last ten years for the cowboys
3 who has been the worst 1st round draft choice in the last ten years(including all NFL teams,not just the cowboys)
very curious to see you answers
I honestly do not know what you intend by "taking away all bias against the players." With that said,
1. Joey Galloway via trade (one could argue he counts twice)
2. Shante Carver
3. Ryan Leaf
Fletch
04-06-2005, 08:01 PM
Shante Carver & Quincy Carter want to fight you... Rod Hill is training them...
Carver gets runner up. Quincy was a 2nd round bust.
acruther
04-06-2005, 08:02 PM
1)who has been the worst draft pick in the last 10 years for the cowboys
Goodrich
2)who has been the worst 1st day draft pick in the last ten years for the cowboys
Goodrich
3 who has been the worst 1st round draft choice in the last ten years(including all NFL teams,not just the cowboys)
Leaf
dargonking999
04-06-2005, 08:06 PM
I honestly do not know what you intend by "taking away all bias against the players." With that said,
1. Joey Galloway via trade
2. Shante Carver
3. Ryan Leaf
some people have bias love a guy hate a guy,on porven abilty on proven stats and porven game play who was the worst
Spontae
04-06-2005, 08:07 PM
some people have bias love a guy hate a guy,on porven abilty on proven stats and porven game play who was the worst
That cleared it up....
bbgun
04-06-2005, 08:13 PM
Goodrich.
Carver, Pittman, Ekuban, and LeFleur were bums, but at least we got some production out of them.
Waffle
04-06-2005, 08:16 PM
1. Goodrich
2. Carver
3. Leaf
Cbz40
04-06-2005, 08:34 PM
1. Goodrich
2. Carver
3. Leaf
Dyluke
04-06-2005, 08:50 PM
I dont understand why Tony Dixon rarely gets talked about on this board. Talk about a pick that makes you say...HUH?!?!
Shante Carver..
Shante Carver...
Shante............dover? no.....Carter!!!!
WoodysGirl
04-06-2005, 08:54 PM
I dont understand why Tony Dixon rarely gets talked about on this board. Talk about a pick that makes you say...HUH?!?! I wouldn't say Tony Dixon was the worst. Questionable pick, but not the worst. Unfortunately after 10 years of bad drafting, there's alot of bad picks to choose from. :cool:
It amazes me that Quincy Carter would make any list here......He had a winning record with the cowboys as a starter on some pretty pathetic teams.
Where is the love?
We had so many busts worse then Carter......some didn't even see the playing field. Carter outplayed....outperformed.....and was worth the money he was being paid compared to the likes of the other second round pick that year.....Tony Dixon....as a example.....but I guess he gets a free ride because he wasn't a QB.
It wasn't Carters fault that he was thrusted in the lineup.....hindered the developement of maybe another franchise QB.....thats the mangements fault.
JMHO
Dyluke
04-06-2005, 09:02 PM
I wouldn't say Tony Dixon was the worst. Questionable pick, but not the worst. Unfortunately after 10 years of bad drafting, there's alot of bad picks to choose from. :cool:
While i agree he may not be the worst...he's a lock for top 5 IMO
AsthmaField
04-06-2005, 09:02 PM
1. Goodrich
2. Goodrich
3. Leaf
Close second, third, etc.:
Pittman
Carver
Sherman Williams
Carter
Dixon
trickblue
04-06-2005, 09:03 PM
It amazes me that Quincy Carter would make any list here......He had a winning record with the cowboys as a starter on some pretty pathetic teams.
Where is the love?
We had so many busts worse then Carter......some didn't even see the playing field. Carter outplayed....outperformed.....and was worth the money he was being paid compared to the likes of the other second round pick that year.....Tony Dixon....as a example.....but I guess he gets a free ride because he wasn't a QB.
It wasn't Carters fault that he was thrusted in the lineup.....hindered the developement of maybe another franchise QB.....thats the mangements fault.
JMHO
I'm sure you'll get no responses to this post... :D
Fletch
04-06-2005, 09:05 PM
Goodrich.
Carver, Pittman, Ekuban, and LeFleur were bums, but at least we got some production out of them.
"Some" would equate to very little! Ekuban probably gave us the most out of the 4 you mentioned. But even his production poor at best. :banghead:
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big dog cowboy
04-06-2005, 09:23 PM
taking away all bias against the players, 3 questions
1)who has been the worst draft pick in the last 10 years for the cowboys
2)who has been the worst 1st day draft pick in the last ten years for the cowboys
3 who has been the worst 1st round draft choice in the last ten years(including all NFL teams,not just the cowboys)
very curious to see you answers
#1 and 2 are the same question - Goodrich (plenty to choose from)
#3. Probably Leaf.
Juke99
04-06-2005, 09:27 PM
I'm only going to comment on the last question...
I don't see the worst pick as being Ryan Leaf. My reasoning is that everyone here who says he was the worst pick, would have picked him...as would every other team.
To my way of thinking, the worst pick has to be a guy who was drafted way ahead of where he should have been and THEN turned out to be a bust.
For instance, Blair Thomas was a awful pick...BUT...everyone would have picked him.
Guys like Dixon and QC are more in line with what I am thinking of as the "worst" picks...
trickblue
04-06-2005, 09:27 PM
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WoodysGirl
04-06-2005, 09:31 PM
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THUMPER
04-06-2005, 09:44 PM
I rank Tony Dixon as our worst pick of the last 10 years mostly because of who we SHOULD have drafted instead, Shaun Rogers.
Rogers has been one of the best DTs in the league since he was selected while Dixon couldn't beat out Lynn Scott.
1)who has been the worst draft pick in the last 10 years for the cowboys
** Shane Hannah
2)who has been the worst 1st day draft pick in the last ten years for the cowboys
** Goodrich
3 who has been the worst 1st round draft choice in the last ten years(including all NFL teams,not just the cowboys
** Heath Schuler
fishspill
04-06-2005, 10:25 PM
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Everytime I see Tio post, I feel like shooting him point blank in his face...who the *** are you?
Just kidding....unless you weren't...
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trickblue
04-06-2005, 11:02 PM
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you are SO out-matched... just worship me now my little friend... :D
Hostile
04-06-2005, 11:35 PM
1)who has been the worst draft pick in the last 10 years for the cowboys?
Quincy Carter.
Not because of his performance. Jerry was too quick on the trigger to take a mobile QB when in fact we just needed a good QB. Making a reach is always the wrong move. Then they compounded it by throwing him to the wolves with no other options at QB in case he failed. We had 3 years (maybe some of it still lingers) of hatred and distrust among fellow Cowboys fans about their intentions and opinions about him. I feel like it tore the fan base apart to some extent.
We can have differing opinions on all players, but on him it seemed to feel personal.
Once he struggled it just amplified the mistake. The reach became more egregious and the distrust between fellow fans got worse.
It was a period of time that truly divided us as fans and I wish it had never happened. He wasn't near as bad as some people thought, nor near as good as other people thought. I can't wait until the lingering bad feelings are gone, but I am honest, I don't think that will be any time soon. Too many people cannot or will not forgive and move on.
2)who has been the worst 1st day draft pick in the last ten years for the cowboys?
I'm not sure what the difference is supposed to be between this question and #1. Too similar.
3 who has been the worst 1st round draft choice in the last ten years(including all NFL teams,not just the cowboys)?There have been a lot of bad ones. I am going to go with Lawrence Phillips.
No denying his talent or potential but the guy was simply a ticking time bomb. In my mind nothing is worse than unrealized potential. This guy effectively ended Steve Young's career as he watched a tackler run right past him and decapitate Young. When you talk about a cancer on a team, this kid was it.
jobberone
04-06-2005, 11:41 PM
I'm only going to comment on the last question...
I don't see the worst pick as being Ryan Leaf. My reasoning is that everyone here who says he was the worst pick, would have picked him...as would every other team.
To my way of thinking, the worst pick has to be a guy who was drafted way ahead of where he should have been and THEN turned out to be a bust.
For instance, Blair Thomas was a awful pick...BUT...everyone would have picked him.
Guys like Dixon and QC are more in line with what I am thinking of as the "worst" picks...
stop confusing me.
Seven
04-07-2005, 12:04 AM
taking away all bias against the players, 3 questions
very curious to see you answers
1)who has been the worst draft pick in the last 10 years for the cowboys
1996-2002 pick one
2)who has been the worst 1st day draft pick in the last ten years for the cowboys
'bout nine of 'em.
3) who has been the worst 1st round draft choice in the last ten years(including all NFL teams,not just the cowboys)
Ricky Williams
dargonking999
04-07-2005, 05:41 AM
#1 and 2 are the same question - Goodrich (plenty to choose from)
#3. Probably Leaf.
no one is asking for the worst draft pick,
the other is asking for the worst FIRST DAY you know like the the 1 and 2 round
Sarge
04-07-2005, 06:12 AM
some people have bias love a guy hate a guy,on porven abilty on proven stats and porven game play who was the worst
Umm........................ok?
Hostile
04-07-2005, 07:23 AM
no one is asking for the worst draft pick,
the other is asking for the worst FIRST DAY you know like the the 1 and 2 roundYou do realize that 90% of the people wil remember Day 1 draft picks over Day 2 draft picks and those questions will likely overlap?
ravidubey
04-07-2005, 09:31 AM
taking away all bias against the players, 3 questions
1)who has been the worst draft pick in the last 10 years for the cowboys
2)who has been the worst 1st day draft pick in the last ten years for the cowboys
3 who has been the worst 1st round draft choice in the last ten years(including all NFL teams,not just the cowboys)
very curious to see you answers
1 - Shante Carver (cost 1st and 2nd round draft picks which enriched a conference rival) Shane Hannah is a close second.
2 - Ditto
3 - Without question Ryan Leaf.
dargonking999
04-07-2005, 02:15 PM
You do realize that 90% of the people wil remember Day 1 draft picks over Day 2 draft picks and those questiosn will likely overlap?
ok ok then 2 questions:)
wileedog
04-07-2005, 04:27 PM
I'm only going to comment on the last question...
I don't see the worst pick as being Ryan Leaf. My reasoning is that everyone here who says he was the worst pick, would have picked him...as would every other team.
To my way of thinking, the worst pick has to be a guy who was drafted way ahead of where he should have been and THEN turned out to be a bust.
For instance, Blair Thomas was a awful pick...BUT...everyone would have picked him.
Guys like Dixon and QC are more in line with what I am thinking of as the "worst" picks...
Awww, you beat me to it Juke.
A bad pick is someone you reach for horribly and turns out awful. At the time, 30 other GMs would have given their left nut for Ryan Leaf (and boy, would they have been sorry - trading a good nut for a bad nut.....)
Dixon qualifies on so many levels. Even Dixon and his agent were sure he was a 2nd day pick at best - Tony is quoted as saying he wasn't even watching the draft he was so sure he was going on Sunday. Just a terrible reach for no good reason at all.
Guys like Goodrich, Larrimore, even Ekuban were pretty much picked where they were slated to go. We were just the dummies who pulled the trigger. But that's still not as bad as pulling a player out of the blue.
ABQCOWBOY
04-07-2005, 05:20 PM
I think Carter was our worst pick in the last 10 years. Certainly Carver is right up there, along with Goodrich but for many of the reasons outlined, namily, where he should have been taken as opposed to where we took him but more then that.
Hos makes good points but strickly from a franchise point of view, the Carter pick was devistating because of the time and resources devoted to developing him. All for not and we didn't even get decent value on a trade. Carter was never going to be a franchise QB but still, he was good enough to contribute, had he only been willing to do so. Instead, we got nothing at all for our investment.
As far as NFL wide, I think it's easy to say Leaf and perhaps that's true but I think you gotta consider Ki-Jana Carter, Tim Couch and Courtny Brown as major considerations. All were the 1st players taken in there respective drafts and all have pretty much been busts IMO. Leaf, along with Carter, were also busts, but both were injured and IMO, the injuries played significant roles in why they were busts. Couch and Brown, on the other hand, simply have never played well. I think Brown still has a chance but he will likely never be more then just a marginal player. Couch I would have to say is the biggest bust. Much like QC, he represents huge monitary invest but more importantly, resources. The Browns waisted years on him, waiting for his development. As a result, the organization is in a shambles. That, IMO, was the most costly error in the last 10 years.
Scotman
04-07-2005, 06:30 PM
Shante Carver
Ditto
Going against the grain here......Mike Ditka's Wife. He gave up the whole draft for him. And at the time I thought it was a cigar Ditka lit after he drafted him. Only now we know what was really wrapped into those old tobacco leaves.
wxcpo
04-07-2005, 06:48 PM
1)who has been the worst draft pick in the last 10 years for the cowboys
They both are TE's. 1995 2nd round Kendell Watkins and 1997 1st round David LaFleur.
2)who has been the worst 1st day draft pick in the last ten years for the cowboys
Same as above
3 who has been the worst 1st round draft choice in the last ten years(including all NFL teams,not just the cowboys)
Curtis Enis
silver
04-07-2005, 08:38 PM
taking away all bias against the players, 3 questions
1)who has been the worst draft pick in the last 10 years for the cowboys
2)who has been the worst 1st day draft pick in the last ten years for the cowboys
3 who has been the worst 1st round draft choice in the last ten years(including all NFL teams,not just the cowboys)
very curious to see you answers
1. Shane Hannah
2. Kendell Watkins (Tony Dixon & David LaFleur deserve special mention)
3. Akili Smith (At least Leaf managed to play a few games and get hurt)
trickblue
04-07-2005, 08:48 PM
1. Shane Hannah
2. Kendell Watkins (Tony Dixon & David LaFleur deserve special mention)
3. Akili Smith (At least Leaf managed to play a few games and get hurt)
Now that's quality posting... I forgot all about Akili Smith...
I did read he was working out with top trainers and would attempt a comeback... he certainly had the tools... being drafted by Cincy is not exactly a good situation given their history...
WoodysGirl
04-07-2005, 08:51 PM
Now that's quality posting... I forgot all about Akili Smith...
I did read he was working out with top trainers and would attempt a comeback... he certainly had the tools... being drafted by Cincy is not exactly a good situation given their history...
Just FYI, Akili Smith is over in NFL Europe allocated by Tampa.
jimmy40
04-07-2005, 08:51 PM
Now that's quality posting... I forgot all about Akili Smith...
I did read he was working out with top trainers and would attempt a comeback... he certainly had the tools... being drafted by Cincy is not exactly a good situation given their history...Isn't Smith with Tampa Bay now?
trickblue
04-07-2005, 08:52 PM
Isn't Smith with Tampa Bay now?
yes he is... but I don't think it is a long term thing...
jimmy40
04-07-2005, 08:53 PM
yes he is... but I don't think it is a long term thing...I still can't believe he was drafted that high.
silver
04-07-2005, 08:53 PM
Just FYI, Akili Smith is over in NFL Europe
wow, how far has he fallen. and to think we wanted to send henson over there. it's sounds like the kiss of death. and yes i think he's allocated by tampa.
big dog cowboy
04-07-2005, 09:36 PM
I still can't believe he was drafted that high.
The problem wasn't where he was drafted. The problem is who he was drafted by. He went to the NFL hell hole called Cincinnati. He got extremely poor coaching and they never made an attempt to develope him or work with him. In addition, he had really bad teammates and coaches. I mean football players that weren't very good and coaches that couldn't find jobs anywhere else. The management wasn't any better as they were considered among the worst in the league. As a result his skills started to slide and then his confidence was shot. The rest, as they say, is history.
jimmy40
04-07-2005, 09:44 PM
The problem wasn't where he was drafted. The problem is who he was drafted by. He went to the NFL hell hole called Cincinnati. He got extremely poor coaching and they never made an attempt to develope him or work with him. In addition, he had really bad teammates and coaches. I mean football players that weren't very good and coaches that couldn't find jobs anywhere else. The management wasn't any better as they were considered among the worst in the league. As a result his skills started to slide and then his confidence was shot. The rest, as they say, is history.I still can't believe he was drafted that high.
big dog cowboy
04-07-2005, 09:53 PM
I still can't believe he was drafted that high.
Coming out of college he was rated as the top overall pick by some teams. He was definately a top 5 pick and many viewed him as a future pro bowler. Believe it or not he was actually very good in college. I know I know, you can't believe he was drafted that high. It wasn't a shock at the time.
David Lafleur. Cowboys needed a tight end but didn't want to trade up and get Tony Gonzales. Gonzales could have put a couple more years in Aikman's career. :)
Danny Noonan. I was so excited bout this guy.
Doug Smith, Randy White, Bill Wennington, Uwe Blab, oh, my bad, wrong Dallas team...
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