Could RGIII steal the top pick in the draft away from Luck just as he did the Heisman

[Aikbach]

Could RGIII steal the top pick in the draft away from Luck just as he did the Heisman? Pundits and scouts have begun to question the possibility. The Colts were at his pro day in Waco, as were Snyder and Shannahan.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7717197&categoryid=2378529

[Muhast]

I mean I know everybody is convinced that Andrew Luck is the greatest prospect in years, but I could see them making a pretty solid argument for it.

When Mario Williams went #1 overall, everyone thought it was a foregone conclusion that Reggie would be the #1 pick overall until a few days before the draft. But neither of those two are QB's.

[Aikbach]

I mean I know everybody is convinced that Andrew Luck is the greatest prospect in years, but I could see them making a pretty solid argument for it.

When Mario Williams went #1 overall, everyone thought it was a foregone conclusion that Reggie would be the #1 pick overall until a few days before the draft. But neither of those two are QB's.Right but don't forget hometown hero Vince Young was in the mix too, some even said Matt Leinhart was a can't miss.

Ultimately i think both these quarterbacks are gems, there won't be a Manning/ leaf scenario or the even more atrocious Carr/ Harrington one.

[SkinsFan82]

Just wait till tomorrow night after seeing Luck light it up at his pro day in an ultra controlled environment like RG3 had and this talk will die back a little bit.

It is kind of funny though that after the past month so many Redskins fans have bought into the idea of RG3 that if he were to go at #1 and Luck falls to #2 there would be a slight sense of disappointment. I know it sounds kind of ridiculous but everyone has become sold on the idea that as far as offensive schemes go RG3 is the best possible fit for the Redskins. It may be true, time will tell.

[SDogo]

There is no way, the Colts have visions of Manning II and Luck was hand delivered.

Not saying he's that clear cut better but for the Colts, the image and what they do the answer is not any more simple. They were simply there doing their homework and hoping to drive someone in a frenzy in hopes another team will mortgage their next 2 years in draft picks.

[jobberone]

While I think Griffin may turn out to be the more difficult QB to defend, I think Luck is the least risk. I suspect Griffin will do very well but we don't know that. Luck could fail too but he seems to have all the tools including the mental part. Plus the Colts seem to already have their mind made up..

Maybe Washington will make them an offer they can't refuse although not sure they have any ammo to do so.

[2hawkes]

Could RGIII steal the top pick in the draft away from Luck just as he did the Heisman

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

one word DOUBTFUL

he will be a hated Redskin are you switching teams aibach :eek:

I am glad he woh the heisman only 2 other QB hiesman winners have won the

SB

then be

Paul Horning
R Staubach

are you comparing him to them

DREAM ON

[Aikbach]

Could RGIII steal the top pick in the draft away from Luck just as he did the Heisman

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

one word DOUBTFUL

he will be a hated Redskin are you switching teams aibach :eek:

I am glad he woh the heisman only 2 other QB hiesman winners have won the

SB

then be

Paul Horning
R Staubach

are you comparing him to them

DREAM ONSomeone took their hyperbole pills.:rolleyes:

[2hawkes]

seems like you

hyperbole


Synonyms: exaggeration, overstatement, overemphasis (http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/Search?q=define+overemphasis&form=DTPDIO), magnification (http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/Search?q=define+magnification&form=DTPDIO), inflation (http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/Search?q=define+inflation&form=DTPDIO), embellishment

[Aikbach]

seems like you

hyperbole


Synonyms: exaggeration, overstatement, overemphasis (http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/Search?q=define+overemphasis&form=DTPDIO), magnification (http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/Search?q=define+magnification&form=DTPDIO), inflation (http://www.bing.com/Dictionary/Search?q=define+inflation&form=DTPDIO), embellishmentGood to see Uno is back, what's this like the third user name you've adopted after getting banned trolling on Rg3 threads?

Pretty interesting for user that just signed up this month to already doing the act, should've bought yourself some time and eased in to it.:rolleyes:

[2hawkes]

exaggeration, overstatement

:confused: :rolleyes:

who the is this made up friend of yours

what he'd do school you in something

I know the Coilts have Luck already picked

junior

[2hawkes]

If Hodge says RG3....then the decison on who to take is simple.....go with Luck. Hodge is clueless!

In my opinion I think Andrew Luck will have the most success in the NFL. 3 reasons why.

1: The Size, now i know 2 inches isnt much of a difference, but in the NFL every inch can help sling it over those big lineman with more ease power and most of all Accuracy.

2: Experience, no im not talking about NFL experience im talking about the Pro style offense and getting a little feel for the system. now the Colts system without a doubt will be way differents and complex but he has some feel for it.

3: this reason is really just strengthening the 2nd reason... he can check in and out of plays based on the defense unlike others who check by coach or prematured audibles and really knows how to manipulate a defense. odds are he definately wont be doing that near as easy as he did in college but with
good coaching and a few seasons under his belt he will be an elite QB i think


The fact that Luck has done it for an extended period of time, has the prototypical body, an NFL pedigree, played in a pro-style offense? Yeah, that definitely sounds like the race card to me. Keep being a clown, it suits you well!


what ever you want to believe

MERRIL HODGE - LMAO - A FINE JUDGE OF QB'S

[Hostile]

Could RGIII steal the top pick in the draft away from Luck just as he did the Heisman

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

one word DOUBTFUL

he will be a hated Redskin are you switching teams aibach :eek:

I am glad he woh the heisman only 2 other QB hiesman winners have won the

SB

then be

Paul Horning
R Staubach

are you comparing him to them

DREAM ONTony Dorsett (1), Jim Plunkett (2), Marcus Allen (1), Desmond Howard (1), Charles Woodson (1), and Reggie Bush (1) would all like a word with you. 3 of them have been Super Bowl MVPs.

[2hawkes]

Tony Dorsett (1), Jim Plunkett (2), Marcus Allen (1), Desmond Howard (1), Charles Woodson (1), and Reggie Bush (1) would all like a word with you. 3 of them have been Super Bowl MVPs.

And Mike Garrett and George Rogers would like a word with you

1991 Desmond Howard Michigan WR Green Bay
1981 Marcus Allen USC HB Raiders
1980 George Rogers SC HB Washington
1976 Tony Dorsett Pitt HB Dallas
1970 Jim Plunkett Stanford QB Raiders
1965 Mike Garrett USC HB Kansas City
1963 Roger Staubach Navy QB Dallas
1956 Paul Hornung Notre Dame QB Green Bay

[Zaxor]

and than luck refuses to play for the redskins...:lmao:

[Bluestang]

Of course RG3 looked awesome, everything he did was entirely scripted. He still doesn't take the first pick though.

Guys consider this though about Luck, his forty time was almost identical to Cam Newton's forty time at the Combine. Luck also had a better vertical too so don't count out Luck's athletic ability.

[Hostile]

And Mike Garrett and George Rogers would like a word with you

1991 Desmond Howard Michigan WR Green Bay
1981 Marcus Allen USC HB Raiders
1980 George Rogers SC HB Washington
1976 Tony Dorsett Pitt HB Dallas
1970 Jim Plunkett Stanford QB Raiders
1965 Mike Garrett USC HB Kansas City
1963 Roger Staubach Navy QB Dallas
1956 Paul Hornung Notre Dame QB Green BayWhy would they? I haven't made any false statements about them like you did about those other Heisman winners?

[Aikbach]

Of course RG3 looked awesome, everything he did was entirely scripted. He still doesn't take the first pick though.

Guys consider this though about Luck, his forty time was almost identical to Cam Newton's forty time at the Combine. Luck also had a better vertical too so don't count out Luck's athletic ability.
No one is, i think both QB's will be great, but Luck is no longer thought of as the slam dunk choice.

In other words if RG3 was picked first instead of second it wouldn't be a great surprise nor groaned about.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Why would they? I haven't made any false statements about them like you did about those other Heisman winners?

He said QBs but to be fair he left off Plunkett and you had him on your list. However the others you listed were not Heisman Winning QBs who went on to win a superbowl.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Could RGIII steal the top pick in the draft away from Luck just as he did the Heisman? Pundits and scouts have begun to question the possibility. The Colts were at his pro day in Waco, as were Snyder and Shannahan.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7717197&categoryid=2378529

Was it RGIII's pro day or was it the pro day for the Baylor Players?

I could see the Colts having Luck locked up and now looking for players later in the draft...say a Blake to replace a departing Saturday at center or a Kendall Wright at WR to replace Garcon should Wright fall out of the first.

[bsheeern]

Why would they? I haven't made any false statements about them like you did about those other Heisman winners?

Although he left of Plunket, he said QB's that have won both.

Don't see The edit thingy at the bottom of his post.

[burmafrd]

Roll my eyes at this thread.


Only a total idiot would think the colts will take RG3 over Luck.

[trickblue]

Could RGIII steal the top pick in the draft away from Luck just as he did the Heisman

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

one word DOUBTFUL

he will be a hated Redskin are you switching teams aibach :eek:

I am glad he woh the heisman only 2 other QB hiesman winners have won the

SB

then be

Paul Horning
R Staubach

are you comparing him to them

DREAM ON

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0930/nfl_a_flores_300.jpg

Would like a word with you...

[DFWJC]

and than luck refuses to play for the redskins...:lmao:
Priceless.


Just an FYI
There were a ton of people fromt he olts org at RG3s Pro Day, and he was by accounts spectacular.
I assume Luck is their guy, but instead of 100% sure, I would say I'm 85-90% now. :)

[Zaxor]

Priceless.


Just an FYI
There were a ton of people fromt he olts org at RG3s Pro Day, and he was by accounts spectacular.
I assume Luck is their guy, but instead of 100% sure, I would say I'm 85-90% now. :)

it really would be there may be a mass exodus of redskin fans if that happened...I might not be able to stop laughing for a month or more:laugh2:

[Hostile]

He said QBs but to be fair he left off Plunkett and you had him on your list. However the others you listed were not Heisman Winning QBs who went on to win a superbowl.Paul Hornung was not a QB then. Bart Starr QBed the 1966 Packers to Super Bowl I.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Paul Hornung was not a QB then. Bart Starr QBed the 1966 Packers to Super Bowl I.

I was just pointing out that he said QBs and you listed different types of players that did not meet the point he was "trying" to make.

[Hostile]

Although he left of Plunket, he said QB's that have won both.

Don't see The edit thingy at the bottom of his post.http://www.pro-football-reference.com/super-bowl/i.htm

That is the box score from the 1966 Super Bowl.

Show me a pass thrown by QB Paul Hornung in that game. Good luck because he did not play in the game.

[Hostile]

I was just pointing out that he said QBs and you listed different types of players that did not meet the point he was "trying" to make.
Regardless of his intent, his information is wrong on multiple levels. Hornung was not a QB, Jim Plunkett was. Many other Heisman winners have won Super Bowls and being a Heisman winning QB does not preclude you from winning a Super Bowl. To believe it does is flat out bat **** crazy. That is roughly equivalent to believing that being a Black QB precludes you from winning one.

[Sam I Am]

While it could happen depending on which team was drafting, I don't think there is any way in hell that the Colts would take RGIII over Luck.

Anyone who believes in conventional QBs wouldn't take RGIII before Luck. The Colts just let Manning walk because they fully intend on taking Luck to replace him.

RGIII will definitely be a more exciting player than Luck, but he will also be a lot more likely to get injured. If the Redskins are smart (ie, the Colts aren't taking RGIII), they will mold RG3 after Steve Young and not be stupid and let him run like VY or Vick.

[BrAinPaiNt]

Regardless of his intent, his information is wrong on multiple levels. Hornung was not a QB, Jim Plunkett was. Many other Heisman winners have won Super Bowls and being a Heisman winning QB does not preclude you from winning a Super Bowl. To believe it does is flat out bat **** crazy. That is roughly equivalent to believing that being a Black QB precludes you from winning one.

I happen to agree with you and was going to make that very point (the black QB point) but did not want a poster or two starting up and outing themselves.:D

With that said, I was only telling you that the guy said QBs (even if he said Hornung) and you went with a list that only contained one QB. I really meant nothing else besides that so I don't know what else to say at this point.:cool:

[Hostile]

With that said, I was only telling you that the guy said QBs (even if he said Hornung) and you went with a list that only contained one QB. I really meant nothing else besides that so I don't know what else to say at this point.:cool:Okay, I'll come right out and say it. I know he said QB, but by including Hornung and neglecting Plunkett he spewed nonsense. My response was directly related to that nonsense. I could have easily posted Plunkett only, but since Hornung was included I decided not to on purpose. What if Eric Crouch had been on a Super Bowl winner as a Kick Returner? Does that make him an NFL QB suddenly? Because that is the logic of adding Hornung. In other words, he had none. His entire post was flawed and that is why I responded with RBs, a WR, and a DB in addition to Mr. Jim Plunkett who won 2 of them himself. Between he and Roger alone it is 4 out of 45 Super Bowls by a Heisman winning QB. That poster, as you know, is clearly anti-RGII and will spew any type of nonsense. This was merely the newest example of it.

[trickblue]

Okay, I'll come right out and say it. I know he said QB, but by including Hornung and neglecting Plunkett he spewed nonsense. My response was directly related to that nonsense. I could have easily posted Plunkett only, but since Hornung was included I decided not to on purpose. What if Eric Crouch had been on a Super Bowl winner as a Kick Returner? Does that make him an NFL QB suddenly? Because that is the logic of adding Hornung. In other words, he had none. His entire post was flawed and that is why I responded with RBs, a WR, and a DB in addition to Mr. Jim Plunkett who won 2 of them himself. Between he and Roger alone it is 4 out of 45 Super Bowls by a Heisman winning QB. That poster, as you know, is clearly anti-RGII and will spew any type of nonsense. This was merely the newest example of it.

Hornung played some QB for ND in college... I think that's what he meant...

[SkinsFan82]

Looks like Pro Football Talk is now going with RG3 at #1, so obviously that means 100% lock for Luck at #1.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/22/2012-mock-draft-take-one/

[Aikbach]

Was it RGIII's pro day or was it the pro day for the Baylor Players?

I could see the Colts having Luck locked up and now looking for players later in the draft...say a Blake to replace a departing Saturday at center or a Kendall Wright at WR to replace Garcon should Wright fall out of the first.Team pro day, but he was obviously the main attraction.

[Hostile]

Hornung played some QB for ND in college... I think that's what he meant...
And Eric Crouch played some QB at Nebraska...It is still a flawed logical stance to think Griffin cannot win a Super Bowl because he won the Heisman Trophy. Hopefully he never does win one, but I am not foolish enough to say it can't be done.

[CaptainAmerica]

Only one Heisman winning QB and Hall of Famer in NFL history.

Let's keep it that way.

[Risen Star]

There's a 0% chance of this happening.

[cobra]

This is a classic reason why the predraft process has become too much. Too much over-evaluation, hand-wringing, and fans screaming for things. It causes otherwise intelligent people to over-think the obvious: Luck should be #1.

It is entirely predictable that people have tried, to show their "insight" and out-of-the-box thinking, that really RG3 should go #1. It happens every year.

Remember, there were lots of people who started to wonder if maybe Ryan Leaf should go #1 over Manning. They start to overthink the issue, buy into hype, and ignore basic sense. Luck is so well known and has been so thoroughly vetted that he could not get more hyped. Everyone knows he is a great prospect, so it's hard to talk about it. But then you have this relatively new prospect racing up the boards and teams start to buy into the hype and overthink things. Falling victim to that kind of thing is how you end up taking Alex Smith first over Aaron Rodgers or almost taking Ryan Leaf over Manning.

[L-O-Jete]

Tony Dorsett (1), Jim Plunkett (2), Marcus Allen (1), Desmond Howard (1), Charles Woodson (1), and Reggie Bush (1) would all like a word with you. 3 of them have been Super Bowl MVPs.

Since he said QB... I guess it would only be Plunkett.

Reading is FUNdamental

[Aikbach]

Since he said QB... I guess it would only be Plunkett.

Reading is FUNdamentalHe was taking a troll to task, you'll note the user is already banned and was a repeat offender who has been banned opening several accounts to attack posters and racially slur and troll on RG3 related threads.

Hos was just verifying the troll.

[Hostile]

Since he said QB... I guess it would only be Plunkett.

Reading is FUNdamentalGood grief, how many of you need this explained?

[burmafrd]

Luck's pro day pretty much shut the idiots up

[BrAinPaiNt]

Luck's pro day pretty much shut the people up

Have to agree. Seems like he knocked it out of the park and left some people covering it in awe.

And even though people know of his athletic ability I still think it is understated many times.

[SkinsHokieFan]

Fantastic, and surprising article from Greg Cossell of NFL Films (who is also a must follow on twitter)

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/03/23/cosell-talks-its-not-always-luck/



When evaluating college players, and projecting them to the NFL, I often feel
as if I can never watch enough snaps, enough throws, enough games to reach a
conclusion with which I am comfortable. This is particularly true of
quarterbacks.





Which brings me to Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Before I began my film
study I had heard that Luck was the most NFL-ready quarterback to come out since
Peyton Manning in 1998. The son of a former college and NFL quarterback, an
Academic All-American and well-schooled in a pro-style offense at Stanford, Luck
was being called a day one NFL starter and a great player. In many ways, it was
pre-ordained.





Griffin’s rise appeared more meteoric. Although he started as a true freshman
in 2008, it really wasn’t until this past season that folks celebrated the
shining star that was RGIII. While Luck was always steady and constant, RGIII
was spectacular and breathtaking. Different players in different offenses asked
to do different things.





I have watched 5 games of both Luck and Griffin, all from their final
collegiate season. Is that enough? Some might say yes, others no. Here’s what I
saw. Luck ran a very controlled and condensed offense that featured multiple
tight end personnel and a high percentage of compressed formations. He had a lot
of freedom at the line of scrimmage to call plays and make adjustments based on
defensive fronts and coverages. That’s an essential attribute as he transitions
to the NFL, one that has dramatically increased in importance in the last number
of years with the complexity and sophistication of defenses. There’s no question
Luck is well ahead of the learning curve in that area.





Luck was an economical player who was at his best as a timing and rhythm,
short to intermediate passer. 3 and 5 step drops, quick throws. He primarily
made efficient throws to open receivers. The deeper throws were what we call
shot plays, primarily with play action, specifically designed to attack an
anticipated coverage based on field position, down and distance, personnel and
formation. On those plays, the receiver was wide open. They were not difficult
passes.


Click link for rest

[Hostile]

Fantastic, and surprising article from Greg Cossell of NFL Films (who is also a must follow on twitter)

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/03/23/cosell-talks-its-not-always-luck/



Click link for restThat was very well written. What is his Twitter call?

[joseephuss]

And Eric Crouch played some QB at Nebraska...It is still a flawed logical stance to think Griffin cannot win a Super Bowl because he won the Heisman Trophy. Hopefully he never does win one, but I am not foolish enough to say it can't be done.

Only one Heisman winning QB and Hall of Famer in NFL history.

Let's keep it that way.

Maybe down the line in several years when the Skins don't win a Superbowl, Griffin could find himself in Dallas replacing or backing up Tony Romo and winning a Superbowl with Dallas.

[SkinsHokieFan]

That was very well written. What is his Twitter call?

@gregcosell

He is one of the producers of "NFL Matchup" and has some very informative tweets about players, teams, position groups, etc. Great for an NFL junkie in general

[Sam I Am]

I have an issue when a couple of points he made. He describes the type of QB a players is by describing the style of offense he plays in.

For instance:

I would describe Luck as a short to intermediate touch and timing passer off straight drop backs, and a deep ball thrower off play action.

He is describing Luck as a pro style offense QB which is the style of offense Luck play's in. He seems to say that Luck cannot throw deep passes very well unless the WR is wide open. That's a bunch of ****! :laugh2:

He says the RGIII can. Yeah, he plays a spread offense with Kendall Wright. That is going to happen. It's the nature progression of the offense to have plays like that.

I look at Luck and he reminds me of Troy Aikman. The only difference is Aikman had a golden arm and Luck just has a very good arm.

I think both QB are awesome. I think RGIII will have the better career if he doesn't end up getting injured from running the ball. Now, that isn't because I think RGIII is better than Luck. It's because offensive lines are very important to Shanny. Peyton Manning had a great offensive line, but it seems the Colts have been neglecting it and that line is getting old fast.

If the Colts don't protect Luck, he will end up playing like David Carr did in Houston.

[SkinsFan82]

I'm not sure but it seemed when he was talking about Luck throwing to people deep that were wide open, it wasn't really a negative. What I inferred from that sentence is he had the ability to read the defense and the coverages pre-snap and was able to anticipate where the open WRs would be. Maybe he meant it another way, that's just how I took it.

I wouldn't begin to knock Peyton Manning's ability, but you'll hear a lot of people say that half of what makes him great is what he does pre-snap, his ability to read the defense and know where the pressure will be coming from and where to put his guys to make plays.

I think most people agree that RG3 is the better deep passer, are far as ability to drive a pass deep with really nice touch and accuracy. It's not that Luck can't, just isn't his strong suit.

[InmanRoshi]

I like RG3 a lot, but I would take Luck ahead of him because Luck is way more consistent. RG3 gets some high highs and some low lows. You take the OU game, he looks like a poor man's Quincy Carter until midway through the 2nd quarter, and then he catches fire. Luck isn't as prone to being as streaky.

[Aikbach]

I like RG3 a lot, but I would take Luck ahead of him because Luck is way more consistent. RG3 gets some high highs and some low lows. You take the OU game, he looks like a poor man's Quincy Carter until midway through the 2nd quarter, and then he catches fire. Luck isn't as prone to being as streaky.I'll accept favoring Luck but the streaky comment I don't buy at all, Oklahoma has an outstanding defense Baylor wore out in the second half.

[InmanRoshi]

I'll accept favoring Luck but the streaky comment I don't buy at all, Oklahoma has an outstanding defense Baylor wore out in the second half.

Dude, watch the tape. It had nothing to do with OU playing outstanding defense, it had to do with Griffin not being able to hit the broadside of a barn and just chucking up throws for grabs. To his credit he caught fire in the 2nd half and had an amazing performance in pulling out the win, but the first half was what it was.

[Aikbach]

Dude, watch the tape. It had nothing to do with OU playing outstanding defense, it had to do with Griffin not being able to hit the broadside of a barn and just chucking up throws for grabs. To his credit he caught fire in the 2nd half and had an amazing performance in pulling out the win, but the first half was what it was.Dude, I've watched the tape, and i saw the number five team in the country give up the most yards in school history.

OU was a national champion contender until that game, with what had been considered one of the best defenses in the nation, the fact anyone had to make adjustments is called game planning.

And pointing to one game in a brilliant career against a top five team does not an argument for "streaky" make.

[joseephuss]

RGIII against OU this year:

1st quarter
5-9
55.5%

2nd quarter
3-4
75.0%

First Half
8-13
61.5%

3rd quarter
8-14
57.1%

4th quarter
5-7
71.4%

Second Half
13-21
61.9%

Looks like he was up and down by quarter.

[Chocolate Lab]

Don't think there's any way the Colts don't take Luck, but interesting that Merril Hoge apparently watched 100 hours of tape and said he'd take Griffin pretty easily.

[burmafrd]

Don't think there's any way the Colts don't take Luck, but interesting that Merril Hoge apparently watched 100 hours of tape and said he'd take Griffin pretty easily.

From what I have read most QBs and QB coaches are more impressed with Luck since he really is Pro Style.

[Aikbach]

From what I have read most QBs and QB coaches are more impressed with Luck since he really is Pro Style.It's a rare can't miss scenario, it's like Elway and Marino being in the same draft in 1983....except this time one isn't falling.

[Chocolate Lab]

I missed that Cosell link earlier somehow... But having just read it, I'm so glad someone is saying what I was saying all year, that Luck doesn't seem to have the premier arm strength that most of the other top-top prospects have. (Sams thing Phil Simms got killed for saying, BTW.) He also was able to lean very heavily on a running game and partly because of that, he got to throw to wide open guys a lot. Not saying he won't be very, very good, but I don't see the Elway or even Aikman kind of raw talent that the so-called best QB in a generation should have.

Almost makes me long for Realtick so I can hear how Luck is vastly superior and RG3 will barely be a first rounder because he only threw bubble screens... Nah.