Draft Notes From Around The League

[SDogo]

Not a whole lot here regarding the Cowboys, I apologize. I'm also sorry it's so short, I'm really under the weather the last two days but there are a few notes here I was specifically asked about in PM's and promised I would get out. Hope to have another longer, more Cowboys related update before March is over.

*Look for the Bills to make a strong play for Wisconsin QB Russell Wilson in the 3rd or 4th round.

*Michigan St DT Jerel Worthy seems to have gained some attention after his pro day. Despite mixed reports there is some belief he will be a prime target for teams picking in the 15-20 range.

*Look for the NY Jets to try and trade up if they start feeling teams are poking around Notre Dame WR Michael Floyd. One team that has them concerned is Seattle Seahawks at 12 who have expressed a great deal of interest in Floyd.

*There is growing consensus around the league the wild card in the top 10 may be the Buffalo Bills. They have a history of making surprising moves and with two high profile FA's at DE in the mix already they may be more inclined to let loose then play it conservative. I'm told two hot names are Stanford OG David DeCastro and Iowa OT Riley Reiff.

*It seems the one certain outside of Luck and Griffin going in the top two spots is the Tennessee Titans will be taking the best defensive player on their board. Rumors recently have them with a sweet tooth for South Carolina LB/DE Melvin Ingram but it's unlikely he will fall to 20 and the Titans have to many needs to move up. Another name to keep an eye on is Clemson DE Andre Branch who I hear they compare favorably to Javon Kearse.

*In more Stanford OG David DeCastro news, I spoke to a member of the Rams who may have just been throwing out a major smoke screen but was interesting none the less. It's widely believed the jolted Browns would like to toss one back at the Rams and select Oklahoma St WR Justin Blackmon who is believe to be the apple of the Rams eye. If that happens says my source the Rams will give serious consideration to DeCastro at #6. The Rams in need of offensive line help would be much better off with DeCastro but at #6? Interesting follow up on this one, the Rams have a consultant by the name of John Hannah, his nephew the head of scouting.

*A source from the Minnesota Vikings tell me at this point in time the brass is split on LSU CB Morris Claiborne and USC OT Matt Kalil.

*The Detroit Lions have expressed a deep interest in Oregon RB LaMichael James who I'm told could be an option in Round 2.

*Speaking of the Detroit Lions, I'm told there are several teams possibly interested in parting with a 4th round pick for Lions restricted FA DT Sammie Lee Hill. This very well could end up being one of those rare player for picks draft day swaps.

*Look for the Cleveland Browns to start working the phones to move up from 22 if Alabama RB Trent Richardson starts to fall. I'm told a good landing spot could be the Dallas Cowboys at 14 who the Browns like to deal with and gets them ahead of the Bengals at 17 who despite signing Green Ellis still will very much keep their eye on Richardson.

*The New Orleans Saints are said to have an eye for Boise St QB Kellen Moore.

*I'm told the NY Giants will explore several RB options in the draft but the hot name right now is Miami(FL) RB Lamar Miller.

* Although the Dallas Cowboys have stated they do not have any interest in drafting a QB this year I find it interesting there are plans to send Wade Wilson to watch Arizona St QB Brock Osweiler in Tempe on March 30th where will be putting on a show for scouts.

*It appears Arizona St ILB Vontaze Burficts email apology and request to prove himself and be given one more chance after his poor pro day showing has warmed the hearts on at least one team. The Philadelphia Eagles plan to invite Burfict in for a private workout. I'm told it's not a matter of just doing their homework, their is serious interest on the Eagles part.

[TheDallasDon]

So if Minny get Claiborne then who would get Kalil 1st.....Rams?


Thanks for the info SDogo

[RS12]

*Speaking of the Detroit Lions, I'm told there are several teams possibly interested in parting with a 4th round pick for Lions restricted FA DT Sammie Lee Hill. This very well could end up being one of those rare player for picks draft day swaps.

I remember talk of the Cowboys having interest in him when he came out.

*Look for the Cleveland Browns to start working the phones to move up from 22 if Alabama RB Trent Richardson starts to fall. I'm told a good landing spot could be the Dallas Cowboys at 14 who the Browns like to deal with and gets them ahead of the Bengals at 17 who despite signing Green Ellis still will very much keep their eye on Richardson.

If the Cowboys guy is gone at 14 and Cleveland gives their 22 and 2nd rounder, done.

* Although the Dallas Cowboys have stated they do not have any interest in drafting a QB this year I find it interesting there are plans to send Wade Wilson to watch Arizona St QB Brock Osweiler in Tempe on March 30th where will be putting on a show for scouts.

Not interested in this guy at all. Keep thinking Dan McGuire.

BTW these threads are like crack.

[RS12]

*In more Stanford OG David DeCastro news, I spoke to a member of the Rams who may have just been throwing out a major smoke screen but was interesting none the less. It's widely believed the jolted Browns would like to toss one back at the Rams and select Oklahoma St WR Justin Blackmon who is believe to be the apple of the Rams eye. If that happens says my source the Rams will give serious consideration to DeCastro at #6. The Rams in need of offensive line help would be much better off with DeCastro but at #6? Interesting follow up on this one, the Rams have a consultant by the name of John Hannah, his nephew the head of scouting.

Cant be. All your NON contacts on this board keep saying he isnt worth 14.:laugh1:

[cowboysooner]

Unless he is a right tackle, DeCastro makes no sense for a team that has giant money invested in Harvey Dahl and Scott Wells. That is pure smokescreen.

[SDogo]

Unless he is a right tackle, DeCastro makes no sense for a team that has giant money invested in Harvey Dahl and Scott Wells. That is pure smokescreen.

I tend to believe so and was not even going to post it but I thought it was interesting and then found it even more interesting when I learned the bit about Hannah.

[Picksix]

SDogo, any information you're able to pass on is much appreciated. Feel better, man!

[SoCalCowboyFan]

It's been said many times before, these posts are awesome Sdogo. Not a lot of Cowboys info but still a very interesting read. Looking forward to you next cowboy only thread. Keep up the excellent work and feel better.

[Skerr41]

Very interesting stuff. Thanks sdogo

[Sasquatch]

*Michigan St DT Jerel Worthy seems to have gained some attention after his pro day. Despite mixed reports there is some belief he will be a prime target for teams picking in the 15-20 range.

Did you intentionally avoid making this range 14-20?

[Goldenrichards83]

Dude you are the #1 reason I love this board. Thanks for all you do.

[cowboysooner]

I tend to believe so and was not even going to post it but I thought it was interesting and then found it even more interesting when I learned the bit about Hannah.

I don't doubt they might even have him 6th or higher on their board. I just don't think they can take him given positional value and their team needs. Of course they could look at this as the 1st year of a new regime and they want to build the best team possible for 3 4 & 5 years down the road and will just take bpa no matter considering they have the luxury of multiple high draft picks over the next 3 years. However, that does not necessarily jive with how Jeff Fisher thinks or signing 2 older big ticket free agents that may need to be replaced after 4 years.

[casmith07]

I love these threads. You can get a sense of what Dallas might do if some of the teams ahead of us are tipping their hands.

[SDogo]

Did you intentionally avoid making this range 14-20?

no, that was the range I was given. lol

[casmith07]

SDogo -

When teams are evaluating talent, how much do they really look at talent overall on their board as "this guy fits for us at OLB but not the Skins" or more of a range rating, like you just described above?

[jobberone]

Thanks SDogo. How far is Lyman from Anderson?

[SDogo]

SDogo -

When teams are evaluating talent, how much do they really look at talent overall on their board as "this guy fits for us at OLB but not the Skins" or more of a range rating, like you just described above?

You would be surprised. Just as often you or I may make mock drafts every team does the same. You might also be surprised how often teams check out various mock drafts on web sites just to get a feel for how a draft may unfold.

[SDogo]

Thanks SDogo. How far is Lyman from Anderson?

About 40 minutes, I work in Pelzer/Anderson.

[RamziD]

Clevelands 1st (#22) and 2nd (#37) is equal in value to our 1st (#14) and 3rd (#82) if you go by the Trade Value Chart (1310 vs. 1280). I would love to have 3 picks in the top 50 and would do that in a minute if DeCastro is not there at #14.

[Sasquatch]

no, that was the range I was given. lol

My cute way of seeing if the Boys have any interest. ;)

[Bowdown27]

Thanks for the info bud ! After the news coming out today bout Claiborne having wrist surgery he may fall out of top 10. Would we actually look into trying to get him ?

[DAL1180]

Thanks for all your info. I enjoy your posts. All of us fans here on SC should get together sometime for a game. Lexington isn't that far from the 'burbs of scenic Spartanbutg.

[ThreeandOut]

* Although the Dallas Cowboys have stated they do not have any interest in drafting a QB this year I find it interesting there are plans to send Wade Wilson to watch Arizona St QB Brock Osweiler in Tempe on March 30th where will be putting on a show for scouts.

I wonder if Osweiler could be the surprise pick for the Cowboys in round 2 if he is available. We know that they were very interested in Andy Dalton with that second round pick last year.

I've seen at least one scouting service that I follow on Twitter say that Seattle is very interested in Osweiler and might even consider him with their first round pick.

[SDogo]

Thanks for all your info. I enjoy your posts. All of us fans here on SC should get together sometime for a game. Lexington isn't that far from the 'burbs of scenic Spartanbutg.

Actually have met a few people over the last week or two that are with in 2 hours from me. Some right down the road. With a game in Atlanta and Carolina next year we need to plan something for sure!

PM me your email, I need to start gathering these emails so we can plan something.

[SDogo]

Thanks for the info bud ! After the news coming out today bout Claiborne having wrist surgery he may fall out of top 10. Would we actually look into trying to get him ?

Even with the wrist surgery it does not seem he's going to take a hit in his stock. Even so Dallas would need to get up past 9 and I think it will be too expensive to consider.

[Bowdown27]

Even with the wrist surgery it does not seem he's going to take a hit in his stock. Even so Dallas would need to get up past 9 and I think it will be too expensive to consider.

Yea I figured that but just wishful thinking !! Thanks again for all info

[VACowboy]

Cowboys info or not, I LOVE these threads!

[cowboy_ron]

I'm liking Worthy more and more

[CCBoy]

Better than Plato or Aristotle in this linebacker's book....


*Look for the Cleveland Browns to start working the phones to move up from 22 if Alabama RB Trent Richardson starts to fall. I'm told a good landing spot could be the Dallas Cowboys at 14 who the Browns like to deal with and gets them ahead of the Bengals at 17 who despite signing Green Ellis still will very much keep their eye on Richardson.



Now, the 22nd and their 54th, I would first take David DeCastro. But if he were gone, then I would encourage the Browns to rush to the microphone, and start planning on Cordy Glenn and magic come the second round...

[Muhast]

Actually have met a few people over the last week or two that are with in 2 hours from me. Some right down the road. With a w
game in Atlanta and Carolina next year we need to plan something for sure!

PM me your email, I need to start gathering these emails so we can plan something.

I will def be at the falcons game. Let me know if any of you guys come

[DCBoysfan]

So if Minny get Claiborne then who would get Kalil 1st.....Rams?


Thanks for the info SDogo

I think Claiborne will slide for some reason.

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think Claiborne will slide for some reason.

I don't see him sliding much, if at all.

Due to his abilities and the lack of red flags like Kirkpatrick and Jenkins...he should be the first DB taken and taken high.

[Sam I Am]

I think Claiborne will slide for some reason.

If he slides it won't be because of him. I think he is gone at #5 to Tampa Bay.

[BrAinPaiNt]

If he slides it won't be because of him. I think he is gone at #5 to Tampa Bay.

Would be a good place for him. They just signed Barber to another year but he is really getting up there in age (well NFL age) and Talib can't be relied on to stay out of trouble.

[JonJon]

Actually have met a few people over the last week or two that are with in 2 hours from me. Some right down the road. With a game in Atlanta and Carolina next year we need to plan something for sure!

PM me your email, I need to start gathering these emails so we can plan something.

I plan on being at the Carolina game. I live in Charleston.

[Chocolate Lab]

Unless he is a right tackle, DeCastro makes no sense for a team that has giant money invested in Harvey Dahl and Scott Wells. That is pure smokescreen.

Yeah, I'd bet almost anything that no team takes a guard at #6 overall. That's insane.

[DFWJC]

Hope you're feeling better soon, SD.

We appreciate anything that you can send our way.
Thanks


BTW. One thing I feel extremely certain of is that DeCastro will not go in the top 6. The value of the #6 spot is incredible. They could trade down somehwere still ahead of the Cowboys and still pick up a mid-upper 2nd round pick.

[DBOY3141]

Yeah, I'd bet almost anything that no team takes a guard at #6 overall. That's insane.

With the rookie Cap, I think the drafting of player positions will change. I can see DeCastro going top 10.

Most folks have him as one of the top 10 players. He will not make it to 14, I think that's pretty much guaranteed.

I live in Carolina and they love him. Newton is the team and they have to protect him.

[AmishCowboy]

Thanks for the info!

[Chocolate Lab]

With the rookie Cap, I think the drafting of player positions will change. I can see DeCastro going top 10.

Most folks have him as one of the top 10 players. He will not make it to 14, I think that's pretty much guaranteed.
So why would the new CBA suddenly make guards worth a top-6 pick? Or even top-10?

[Deep_Freeze]

Yeah, I'd bet almost anything that no team takes a guard at #6 overall. That's insane.

Well if they are that dumb, who are we to stop them.

Won't happen, but of course DeCastro mania might think it could.

[RS12]

So why would the new CBA suddenly make guards worth a top-6 pick? Or even top-10?

Because other than the top couple picks the investment isnt close to what it used to be.

[Chocolate Lab]

Because other than the top couple picks the investment isnt close to what it used to be.

To me it was never about the money. It was about the opportunity cost of passing on a more valuable position.

[cowboysooner]

To me it was never about the money. It was about the opportunity cost of passing on a more valuable position.

Yours and RS12's points about what the CBA is interesting.

You can take a good player from a cheap, less important or plentiful position and not have to pay them alot of money or you can take a higher risk player or postion that costs a ton of money to buy in free agency (or can't get very often LT, QB, pass rush, DT) and not have the financial risk if the player is a bust.

Or it could be you don't want a great player at center, guard, ILB, or safety because it gets you cap unbalanced when its time to pay your corner, tackles, QB, DL and passrush. You can't pay all of the premium positions with veteran contracts and keep cap integrity.

[AmishCowboy]

Could You see the trade down to #22 and have a haul like Konz, Dennard and Crick, that would be something.

[Picksix]

To me it was never about the money. It was about the opportunity cost of passing on a more valuable position.

Yeah, but doesn't that thinking kind of fly in the face of what you're really trying to do? I mean, the draft is about trying to get the best players for your team. I understand the conventional thinking that positions like QB, WR, CB, pass rusher, etc. are considered the most important, especially when the top picks were getting outrageous contracts. However, I've never really understood why you would want to pass on a guy who is at the top of your board - in a position of need - for someone who isn't as high, because of his position.

If DeCastro is the top player on your board, and you have a significant need what he can bring, then why not take him? Sure, you could say that you can get a quality guard later in the draft, and spend less money, but you could also legitimately say that about any position. I would just hate to pass on someone you feel really confident about being a great player for you, in lieu of someone you don't feel quite as good about, just because of his position. What if the guy busts? Then it really doesn't matter what his position is. It's still wasted money.

Besides, after watching the Boys struggle in the interior OL last year, I would have to think that good G/C play is pretty darn high on the value scale.

[Doomsday101]

Clevelands 1st (#22) and 2nd (#37) is equal in value to our 1st (#14) and 3rd (#82) if you go by the Trade Value Chart (1310 vs. 1280). I would love to have 3 picks in the top 50 and would do that in a minute if DeCastro is not there at #14.

Trade value chart is all fine and dandy but if a team is desperate to get a certain player and willing to move up to do so then don't offer the 3rd

[texbumthelife]

*It appears Arizona St ILB Vontaze Burficts email apology and request to prove himself and be given one more chance after his poor pro day showing has warmed the hearts on at least one team. The Philadelphia Eagles plan to invite Burfict in for a private workout. I'm told it's not a matter of just doing their homework, their is serious interest on the Eagles part.

Do. Not. Want.

I don't want to see Burfict twice a year, even as only a situational pass rusher.

[Sasquatch]

I wonder what Vontaze apologized for, being slower and less athletic than was assumed or for being just as immature, self-centered, and foolish as thought?

[Sam I Am]

Do. Not. Want.

I don't want to see Burfict twice a year, even as only a situational pass rusher.

Don't worry. He will probably be suspended for at least one of those games each year. :laugh2:

[jobberone]

About 40 minutes, I work in Pelzer/Anderson.

I'm near Augusta. My son is in Clemson/Anderson. Maybe we can get together sometime.

[RamziD]

Trade value chart is all fine and dandy but if a team is desperate to get a certain player and willing to move up to do so then don't offer the 3rd

I agree, but if you can strike a deal where you get 3 draft picks in the top 45 and only lose your 3rd round pick, I'd still take it. Or maybe 1st/4th/6th for their 1st/2nd. That would leave you with 4 picks in the top 82. You can do some serious damage with that. I'm liking the idea of trading down if DeCastro is gone at #14. Konz can probably be had with the #22 pick.

[Doomsday101]

I agree, but if you can strike a deal where you get 3 draft picks in the top 45 and only lose your 3rd round pick, I'd still take it. Or maybe 1st/4th/6th for their 1st/2nd. That would leave you with 4 picks in the top 82. You can do some serious damage with that. I'm liking the idea of trading down if DeCastro is gone at #14. Konz can probably be had with the #22 pick.

I would agree. Making a trade and getting the 22nd pick and the 37 pick could be a big help depending on who is on the board at 14

[cowboysooner]

Yeah, but doesn't that thinking kind of fly in the face of what you're really trying to do? I mean, the draft is about trying to get the best players for your team. I understand the conventional thinking that positions like QB, WR, CB, pass rusher, etc. are considered the most important, especially when the top picks were getting outrageous contracts. However, I've never really understood why you would want to pass on a guy who is at the top of your board - in a position of need - for someone who isn't as high, because of his position.

If DeCastro is the top player on your board, and you have a significant need what he can bring, then why not take him? Sure, you could say that you can get a quality guard later in the draft, and spend less money, but you could also legitimately say that about any position. I would just hate to pass on someone you feel really confident about being a great player for you, in lieu of someone you don't feel quite as good about, just because of his position. What if the guy busts? Then it really doesn't matter what his position is. It's still wasted money.

Besides, after watching the Boys struggle in the interior OL last year, I would have to think that good G/C play is pretty darn high on the value scale.

Because it is pretty easy to find B level guard (and center) play in free agency, rounds 2-4 in the draft, or develop some in house on a 2 or 3 year plan. Dallas played last year with Holland (B), Nagy (D 1st 2 games as rookie) Costa (F) and Kosier (D due to injury). Last year, Philly got C level play from their 1st round pick, C level play from their 6th round pick, and A level play from Nate Living's backup. The Giants got B & C level play from a bunch of old guys, cheap free agents, & Chris Snee.

Dallas has drafted 1 dominate pass rush guy at #11 in 20 years, plus drafted a good one @ #8 14 years ago. We drafted a decent pashrush but good linebacker at 26 5 years ago. We have never got a good one outside the first round. They are tough to find in the 1st round but darned near impossible outside the first round. The same thing can be said for great defensive tackles/ 3/4 defensive ends. Outside of Jared Allen (who cost his current team $$$ and a 1st round pick) and Trent Cole the top edge guys are 1st round picks.

[DFWJC]

If DeCastro is the top player on your board, and you have a significant need what he can bring, then why not take him?
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Your answer is that of course they would take him...if we was at the top of thier board.

A board is set based how good a franchise thinks a players is at his position, how much the franchise actually likes that player, AND how much a franchise values the position that that player plays.

So, the board would take into account his position. So, baring any trades, if the player is at the top of your board when your picks comes up, you take him.

For an extreme example; if you need a QB and a FB and the best FB to come out in 10 years is on the board early in round one but so is the best QB in the the draft (but not the best in 10 years)...you may love both players but the QB will be 30-40 slots higher than that FB on your board, most likely.

[dez_for_prez]

Love these threads! As much as I enjoy the Cowboys i also enjoy the NFL so i like to hear news about all the teams. Thanks again and look forward to more of your hard work.:bow:

[InmanRoshi]

Yeah, but doesn't that thinking kind of fly in the face of what you're really trying to do? I mean, the draft is about trying to get the best players for your team. I understand the conventional thinking that positions like QB, WR, CB, pass rusher, etc. are considered the most important, especially when the top picks were getting outrageous contracts. However, I've never really understood why you would want to pass on a guy who is at the top of your board - in a position of need - for someone who isn't as high, because of his position.

Because some positions are easier to fill than others. By all accounts we're playing a zone blocking scheme next year. You don't need an absolute freak of nature to be an effective guard in a zone blocking scheme. That's why the Colts didn't spend high draft picks on OL when they had Howard Mudd there, unless it was for a blindside tackle. That's why Alex Gibbs and Shanny didn't spend high picks on OL in Denver unless it was for a blindside tackle. You don't need guys who are 330 lbs and knock guys straight backwards off the snap. The system does the heavy lifting for you. That frees you up to use your premium picks on premium players

[DFWJC]

I would agree. Making a trade and getting the 22nd pick and the 37 pick could be a big help depending on who is on the board at 14
But the trade would be 14th and 82nd for 22nd and 37th.

You have to assume a fair trade or maybe hope for a slight advantage.

[Staxxxx]

Yeah, I'd bet almost anything that no team takes a guard at #6 overall. That's insane. How about a right tackle though? Have read plenty of reports in the last few days calling him a right tackle which I thought was odd.

[DFWJC]

How about a right tackle though? Have read plenty of reports in the last few days calling him a right tackle which I thought was odd.
I've heard Glenn being called a possible RT but that's the 1st I've heard of DeCastro in that role.

[Dash28]

Do. Not. Want.

I don't want to see Burfict twice a year, even as only a situational pass rusher.
I do.

He would give us an extra 50 yards in penalties.

[Staxxxx]

I've heard Glenn being called a possible RT but that's the 1st I've heard of DeCastro in that role. I hadn't heard any of that either and then after his pro day I'm starting to see it pop up here and there on the draft sites. Here's a couple I dug up real quick.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/03/01/pro.days/index.html

David DeCastro snapped the ball to Luck during the passing drills and the reviews were poor. DeCastro struggled with the shotgun snaps as the spirals were not clean or tight getting back to Luck. Yet during the position drills the big blocker displayed terrific footwork and movement skills. He was smooth moving laterally yet also strong. Scouts left the workout thinking that while DeCastro does not have a future at center in the NFL he can line up at either guard or right tackle. The latter will most definitely boost his draft stock if enough teams in the top 12 of the draft have a similar opinion.


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@b1joe - Decastro can play guard no doubt, but many, including me, believe he can be a VG right tackle.

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Teams projecting David DeCastro to right tackle & more on the tremendous workout of Dale Moss/WR/SDSU..final update:

[DFWJC]

I hadn't heard any of that either and then after his pro day I'm starting to see it pop up here and there on the draft sites. Here's a couple I dug up real quick.
Good stuff...thanks

[Big Cat]

But the trade would be 14th and 82nd for 22nd and 37th.

You have to assume a fair trade or maybe hope for a slight advantage.
You people who keep saying this don't understand how the draft works. If a great player falls in the draft and a team wants him badly, any trade isn't going to be one that is even on the trade value chart. The Browns would gladly give 22 and 37 for 14 if Richardson is still on the board, which is doubtful. On the other hand, the Cowboys won't trade down just to trade down. If they're dealing from a position of strength, which is the premise here, they will demand a premium for the pick, as they should.

[Bowdown27]

If decastro can play a good rt I see him going higher then all of the mock drafts having him going

[johnnyd]

It's like teams are using this Decastro RT stuff so that when he goes top 10 they don't have to explain why they drafted a lowly guard so high :rolleyes:

[Staxxxx]

It's like teams are using this Decastro RT stuff so that when he goes top 10 they don't have to explain why they drafted a lowly guard so high :rolleyes:My thought as well

[Cowboy Junkie]

Actually have met a few people over the last week or two that are with in 2 hours from me. Some right down the road. With a game in Atlanta and Carolina next year we need to plan something for sure!

PM me your email, I need to start gathering these emails so we can plan something.
I live in Asheville , NC and my brothers and I also plan on going to the game in Charlotte. We are closing the restaurant for the day to do it