SDogo Complete NFL Draft V1.0

[SDogo]

I only do two of these leading up to the draft, the first one is typically a warm up.

I don't project trades in detail, if a team has a selection of a player that seems a little high or little low you will see a "Projected Trade Up/Down" note under the selection.

Feedback appreciated:

http://www.draftdebacled.com/publisheddraft.aspx?mdid=28691

[Bowdown27]

I'm surprised with our Kirkpatrick but I'd still be happy. I think we're in a very good position this draft

[DBOY3141]

I think Carolina likes Brockers a little more than Poe.

[DBOY3141]

If we can't trade down with Tenn. Hopefully we go with Cox over Kirkpatrick.

[xwalker]

I only do two of these leading up to the draft, the first one is typically a warm up.

I don't project trades in detail, if a team has a selection of a player that seems a little high or little low you will see a "Projected Trade Up/Down" note under the selection.

Feedback appreciated:

http://www.draftdebacled.com/publisheddraft.aspx?mdid=28691


I'm confused on the draftdebacled trades. Did the Boys trades down and pick Kirkpatrick or did another team get #14 and draft Kirkpatrick?

[basstapp]

I think it means we traded down and picked up Dre.

[DFWJC]

I think it means we traded down and picked up Dre.
Yeah.
I'm assuming he has the Titans trading up to our spot to grab Ingram and then us getting Dre at 20.
he also has the Broncos trading up to 18 to get Brockers while the Chargers grab Perry at 25.

[SDogo]

I'm confused on the draftdebacled trades. Did the Boys trades down and pick Kirkpatrick or did another team get #14 and draft Kirkpatrick?

Traded down to take Kirkpatrick.

[SDogo]

I'm surprised with our Kirkpatrick but I'd still be happy. I think we're in a very good position this draft

Not my ideal pick but I really believe Dallas will trade down in this draft and pinpoint Kirkpatrick, Upshaw or the remaining of Cox, Brockers, Poe and Whitney then sprinkle a little Konz in there.

IMO, one of those 7 guys will be a Cowboy, just not at 14. You can assume One or Two of Cox, Brockers, Poe and Whitney will be gone which really makes it a 5 horse race all with value lower then that 14th pick.

[gimmesix]

Are you hearing stuff on Dallas' interest in Kirkpatrick?

I would assume based on what I've read that they are checking him out but are more likely to go with a pressure player with the first pick, especially if DeCastro is gone. (Not sure they would take DeCastro even if he's there over a pass rusher.)

[SDogo]

Are you hearing stuff on Dallas' interest in Kirkpatrick?

I would assume based on what I've read that they are checking him out but are more likely to go with a pressure player with the first pick, especially if DeCastro is gone. (Not sure they would take him even if he's there over a pass rusher.)

I think either Kirkpatrick or Upshaw are strong possibilities. Your not going to hear a lot about them from Dallas. They can learn all they want with out tipping off the league. Don't underestimate Garrett's connection with Saban.

As far as the pass rushers, I don't get the feeling Dallas favors one greatly over another which makes that spot at #14 so fluid.

[DBOY3141]

I hope a trade down would be for Konz and not Kirkpatrick. If that's the case then I see Jenkins being gone next year. I don't think Kirkpatrick can be a FS. Doesn't look like he likes to tackle.

[gimmesix]

I think either Kirkpatrick or Upshaw are strong possibilities. Your not going to hear a lot about them from Dallas. They can learn all they want with out tipping off the league. Don't underestimate Garrett's connection with Saban.

As far as the pass rushers, I don't get the feeling Dallas favors one greatly over another which makes that spot at #14 so fluid.

Upshaw would make more sense to me. Linebacker is the premium position in this defense, and even though we added one on the cheap, we've done more to address the secondary, esp. at corner, in FA.

Of course, you can never have enough corners, but I think now Dallas is more interested in getting more pressure on the QB than adding to their nickel and dime defenses.

We still need help in the secondary IMO, at safety, but I just think pass rush is the priority.

[dstew60105]

I hope a trade down would be for Konz and not Kirkpatrick. If that's the case then I see Jenkins being gone next year. I don't think Kirkpatrick can be a FS. Doesn't look like he likes to tackle.

No thanks to Kirkpatrick.

[AbeBeta]

I hope a trade down would be for Konz and not Kirkpatrick. If that's the case then I see Jenkins being gone next year. I don't think Kirkpatrick can be a FS. Doesn't look like he likes to tackle.

If Jenkins' should is right and he plays like he did last year, we'd be foolish to let him get away

[DBOY3141]

If Jenkins' should is right and he plays like he did last year, we'd be foolish to let him get away

Can we pay 2 corners 10 million each. Jenkins is going to want that, if he can come back and put in a good year. Say he goes to the pro bowl. That would be 2 in 4 years. Someone will pay him 10 million.

[SDogo]

Can we pay 2 corners 10 million each. Jenkins is going to want that, if he can come back and put in a good year. Say he goes to the pro bowl. That would be 2 in 4 years. Someone will pay him 10 million.

I don't have any hardcore evidence but I get the feeling the Cowboys won't go all out to bring Jenkins back unless he really puts on a show this year. The same old, same old is likely going to be his ticket out of here.

[woods74]

Thx SDogo your info is one of the main reasons I continue to visit the DraftZone..great info...

I am surprised at the Dre pick especially with the big money in Carr and the huge need on OL and DL..

Upshaw scares me a looks like Spencer 2.0, but I am sure the Saban connection will influence Garett...

I would love a trade down for an extra 3rd and Whitney....

Cox/Poe will be long gone by 20s for sure too much upside!

Thx again!

[Cowboy from New York]

Dont like seeing the eagles getting Cox. Although they always emphasize both lines in round one so makes sense. Seeing Mercilus fall so far is surprising. I was thinking him a top candidate at 14 for Dallas to address pass rush.

[SDogo]

Thx SDogo your info is one of the main reasons I continue to visit the DraftZone..great info...

I am surprised at the Dre pick especially with the big money in Carr and the huge need on OL and DL..

Upshaw scares me a looks like Spencer 2.0, but I am sure the Saban connection will influence Garett...

I would love a trade down for an extra 3rd and Whitney....

Cox/Poe will be long gone by 20s for sure too much upside!

Thx again!

I'm really waiting for picks 7-11 to start coming into focus.

Ideally, we trade down and take Konz or Whitney. I believe Cox will be gone. Really don't believe there is great interest in Ingram.

It basically leaves:

Konz
Whitney
Poe
Brockers
Upshaw
Kirkpatrick

I'm not seeing Poe as a real option but he is in that group of DL projected around that area.

It only leaves Whitney who may be a reach at 14 and Brockers who may be gone as the only 2 options at DL IMO which is why I said what I did about picks 7-11. esp 9&11 because those are both teams that could target defensive lineman.

[jterrell]

Jenkins has played fairly well for us but is not a 10 mil a year CB. Carr is and we hand him the top job day 1. Carr has been a slightly better cover guy and been healthier.
Jenkins could end up with 8 mil a year though for sure.

That isn't a big deal for us provided it has a reasonable first year cap hit.

[woods74]

Ingram I think will be gone in top 12 he seems very scheme diverse...

Poe screams Mike Mamula 2012/ his game tape doesn't match his measurables but I believe someone will grab him too..

Also I am seeing a lot of smoke on Twitter that STL may pass on Blackmon and go DL like Cox or Brockers...that should slide some elite player down to the 7-11 picks

Don't forget Tannehill is going to get taken as QB's go high..even though as an Aggie I don't think he is a top 10 player....

Can't wait to see how it all goes down....30 days!

[woods74]

SDogo just saw on Dallasnews.com that Garett is going to Bama pro day Thursday to see Upshaw/Dre/Barron workout...

I guess we can pencil one of those guys in....

[AbeBeta]

Can we pay 2 corners 10 million each. Jenkins is going to want that, if he can come back and put in a good year. Say he goes to the pro bowl. That would be 2 in 4 years. Someone will pay him 10 million.

If he is worth it we can afford it.

[Cowboy from New York]

SDogo just saw on Dallasnews.com that Garett is going to Bama pro day Thursday to see Upshaw/Dre/Barron workout...

I guess we can pencil one of those guys in....

Bama played LSU twice last year, so there are those guys to glean information about from an guy Garrett trusts in Saban as well.

[scrives]

Looks like Garret is going to AL pro day to check out Upshaw or Barron?

Sdogo, I think its Upshaw. Makes perfect since. He was the first one we talked to a the senior bowl. He can play all over the Dline? From what I understand he is a big time leader. It is coming together folks.

[unionjack8]

if we take Upshaw i will cry like a newborn..................:bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Dash28]

Looks like Garret is going to AL pro day to check out Upshaw or Barron?

Sdogo, I think its Upshaw. Makes perfect since. He was the first one we talked to a the senior bowl. He can play all over the Dline? From what I understand he is a big time leader. It is coming together folks.
I don't see Upshaw as an upgrade to Spencer at all.

[RS12]

Not crazy about anybody from Alabama except Chapman. SDogo if they trade down what do you expect to get back at most, a third?

[Dash28]

Not crazy about anybody from Alabama except Chapman. SDogo if they trade down what do you expect to get back at most, a third?
I think you could get a 2nd easily by trading into the 20's.

I would make a team pay if they want to move up and make us pass on upper tier talent at 14.

[DBOY3141]

I think you could get a 2nd easily by trading into the 20's.

I would make a team pay if they want to move up and make us pass on upper tier talent at 14.

Which means we won't because history shows when we trade down.....we lose.

[Dash28]

Which means we won't because history shows when we trade down.....we lose.
You win some and you lose some...just like every team in the NFL.

[DBOY3141]

You win some and you lose some...just like every team in the NFL.

Besides the Hershel Walker deal...when is the last time we won??

[JPM]

Besides the Hershel Walker deal...when is the last time we won??
Traded down and took Roy Williams.

[DBOY3141]

Traded down and took Roy Williams.

Touche'. Not that that was a win, but it wasn't a loss so you are correct.

[DFWJC]

Traded down and took Roy Williams.
Good one.
They go the better player (5 time Pro Bowler) and picked up and extra 3rd rounder in the process. Not that the third rounder (Derek Ross) turned out to be any good, but the trade itself worked fine.

[Arch Stanton]

I think either Kirkpatrick or Upshaw are strong possibilities. Your not going to hear a lot about them from Dallas. They can learn all they want with out tipping off the league. Don't underestimate Garrett's connection with Saban.

As far as the pass rushers, I don't get the feeling Dallas favors one greatly over another which makes that spot at #14 so fluid.

...or Paul Chryst.

[casmith07]

SDogo - think they're looking at Kirkpatrick as a CB, or as a FS/SS project?

[jobberone]

I'd love to have Poe. Not sure about Upshaw.

[SDogo]

...or Paul Chryst.

I dont imagine he has anything to add on the Pitt players this year and there is not a lot of questions regarding anyone we would be looking at from Wisconsin.

[SDogo]

SDogo just saw on Dallasnews.com that Garett is going to Bama pro day Thursday to see Upshaw/Dre/Barron workout...

I guess we can pencil one of those guys in....

It's telling when a HC goes to a proday but this could also just be an opportunity to catch up with an old buddy.

[SDogo]

Sdogo, I think its Upshaw. Makes perfect since. He was the first one we talked to a the senior bowl. He can play all over the Dline? From what I understand he is a big time leader. It is coming together folks.

Please dont be offended but I hope your off your rocker.:D

[SDogo]

Not crazy about anybody from Alabama except Chapman. SDogo if they trade down what do you expect to get back at most, a third?


Depends, I can see them moving to 18, 20 or 22. Move back from 18 would probably only fetch a 3rd rounder. I would bet we can get a 2nd for 20 and would guarantee a 2nd for 22.

[Arch Stanton]

I dont imagine he has anything to add on the Pitt players this year and there is not a lot of questions regarding anyone we would be looking at from Wisconsin.

Not get the medical history about Peter Konz or is that information out there for all the teams? What is the deal with that? Does a player completely open up his medical history for NFL teams?

[SDogo]

SDogo - think they're looking at Kirkpatrick as a CB, or as a FS/SS project?


FS/SS but they would never admit it out of the gate. I think he will replace Ball in that sense. Can player CB, Can play Safety, prefer him at CB but need him at Safety.

[casmith07]

FS/SS but they would never admit it out of the gate. I think he will replace Ball in that sense. Can player CB, Can play Safety, prefer him at CB but need him at Safety.

I'd take it...but not as a first round pick unless we plan on him starting over Pool.

[SDogo]

Not get the medical history about Peter Konz or is that information out there for all the teams? What is the deal with that? Does a player completely open up his medical history for NFL teams?

Anything that would be deemed as serious is already known, teams will ask him to release medical records although he is not obligated to do so.

If a team is really concerned about it they can push the issue or simply preform their own tests.

Unless he really had something to hide he would do nothing but raise red flags and hurt his stock by denying any request.

On the flip side, if he does release info to a team they in turn have to keep it confidential and can not release any findings so it's each man for himself in this process.

[Arch Stanton]

Anything that would be deemed as serious is already known, teams will ask him to release medical records although he is not obligated to do so.

If a team is really concerned about it they can push the issue or simply preform their own tests.

Unless he really had something to hide he would do nothing but raise red flags and hurt his stock by denying any request.

On the flip side, if he does release info to a team they in turn have to keep it confidential and can not release any findings so it's each man for himself in this process.

So medical records are confidential to the player. Thanks for the explanation.

[ajk23az]

Why do you think the 49ers would take Fleener? That seems to be a little weird to me since they have Vernon Davis and Delanie Walker.

[Deep_Freeze]

It's telling when a HC goes to a proday but this could also just be an opportunity to catch up with an old buddy.

Yeah especially since he didn't go to Stanford's pro day.

I'm just glad for once the team is starting to think ahead, cause they know they will probably lose Spencer and Jenkins (maybe but at least be prepared), so they are preparing right now instead of being desperate next offseason.

Any possibility that a trade down could happen before the draft, seeing that the Skins have already gotten theirs done???

[BIGDen]

This Upshaw stuff is annoying. I just don't see him as being the kind of player that will really improve our D. Seems Spencerish and there's doubt as to whether he can even do what Spencer does. Shorter and squatter than Spencer. Almost like a heavy ILB or a NT from decades ago. I'm just not feeling this pick at all. You keep mentioning him so there must be serious interest unless there's a smokescreen here (I hope). I would hate it if we took him at 14. I would rather take someone else at 14 or trade down and take someone else. I keep having deja vu about Laurent Robinson. You knew Jax really wanted him but I hoped you were wrong. As usual, you were dead on. I could see this Upshaw thing turning out the same way.:(

[Gaede]

I'm liking Upshaw more and more as the draft nears. Big time producer on a big stage for a good team.

Everyone wants speed but Upshaw has power, guts. Would be an excellent complement to Ware. And unlike Spencer, he's got fire--something this defense is in dire need of.

[Woods]

I'm liking Upshaw more and more as the draft nears. Big time producer on a big stage for a good team.

Everyone wants speed but Upshaw has power, guts. Would be an excellent complement to Ware. And unlike Spencer, he's got fire--something this defense is in dire need of.

I wonder if Fitzpatrick is the smoke screen in that we're bringing him to Valley Ranch pre-Draft? Not sure if we're doing the same with Upshaw. And maybe Upshaw is the preferred target in a trade down scenario?

[diehard2294]

No thanks to Kirkpatrick.+1 I would be sick if we took Him and Cox was still available

[RS12]

Clarence Hill ‏ @clarencehilljr Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Jerry Jones said there is a chance the could trade out of 14. If they stayed there they would more than likely target a defensive player

[RS12]

Clarence Hill ‏ @clarencehilljr Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Jerry Jones said the Cowboys are very impressed and intrigued by Memphis DT Dontari Poe. They have done there homework on him and like him.

Not high jacking your thread S. Just thought this was interesting and would get the most eyeballs here.

[RS12]

Clarence Hill ‏ @clarencehilljr Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Jerry Jones said they are inclined not to take a guard (decastro) at 14 because of what they did in free agency.But would take CB, LB, DE,DT

Last one sorry S and all of us DeCastro folks. Maybe smoke screen.

[InmanRoshi]

I hate CBs who have projections to safety ... that generally means teams are worried that they'll suck at CB, not that they think they'll make great safeties. I'm pretty sure moving Revis to FS has never, ever once crossed the NYJs minds at any point. Know the type of CB that gets projected to FS? Mike Rumph. I don't know why anyone thinks Fitzpatrick has some stellar ballskills he could display at FS ... he had 3 INT's in his entire collegiate career.

[Chocolate Lab]

I hate CBs who have projections to safety ... that generally means teams are worried that they'll suck at CB, not that they think they'll make great safeties.
Bingo. It really means that his athletic ability to play the position is questionable.

[cowboysooner]

I hate CBs who have projections to safety ... that generally means teams are worried that they'll suck at CB, not that they think they'll make great safeties. I'm pretty sure moving Revis to FS has never, ever once crossed the NYJs minds at any point. Know the type of CB that gets projected to FS? Mike Rumph. I don't know why anyone thinks Fitzpatrick has some stellar ballskills he could display at FS ... he had 3 INT's in his entire collegiate career.

I'd take a long look at Kareem Jackson's film coming out and compare it to Kirkpatrick's for quite a while before I spent a high 1 on Kirkpatrick.

[Noryb]

I'm really waiting for picks 7-11 to start coming into focus.

Ideally, we trade down and take Konz or Whitney. I believe Cox will be gone. Really don't believe there is great interest in Ingram.

It basically leaves:

Konz
Whitney
Poe
Brockers
Upshaw
Kirkpatrick

I'm not seeing Poe as a real option but he is in that group of DL projected around that area.

It only leaves Whitney who may be a reach at 14 and Brockers who may be gone as the only 2 options at DL IMO which is why I said what I did about picks 7-11. esp 9&11 because those are both teams that could target defensive lineman.

I know earlier you wasn't a big fan of Whitney. Have you come around on him, if so do you believe he could be a 10 sack per year type of guy?

[SDogo]

I know earlier you wasn't a big fan of Whitney. Have you come around on him, if so do you believe he could be a 10 sack per year type of guy?

I will admit, he is a better athlete then I believed. I'm more inclined to say he can make the move to a 3-4 OLB but no, I still do not believe he is a 10 sack a year guy. I'm not certain how much more of an upgrade from Spencer he would be. He is just not that dynamic although much better then I initially gave him credit for.

[woods74]

I watched some tape this afternoon of Upshaw and he seemed to be around the ball a lot. However the Bama defense was so loaded I worry that he was more a product of he system versus a true disruptive pass rusher

SDogo what do you think? Am I underselling him?

[Noryb]

I will admit, he is a better athlete then I believed. I'm more inclined to say he can make the move to a 3-4 OLB but no, I still do not believe he is a 10 sack a year guy. I'm not certain how much more of an upgrade from Spencer he would be. He is just not that dynamic although much better then I initially gave him credit for.

What would separate him from a guy like Aldon Smith, they seem to be similar physically. I know Smith's arm length is insane but I don't see much difference.

I'm sure you mentioned it before, but if you had to draft an OLB in the 1st who would you draft?

[SDogo]

I watched some tape this afternoon of Upshaw and he seemed to be around the ball a lot. However the Bama defense was so loaded I worry that he was more a product of he system versus a true disruptive pass rusher

SDogo what do you think? Am I underselling him?

Not at all. He is a great football player, just not a dynamic one. What Bama did with him allowed him to play to his strengths and he had an amazing supporting cast as you said.

If your going to look for an upgrade at a position where you have a solid football player but not a great pass rusher I don't understand the concept of drafting another solid football player but not a great pass rusher.

Spencer and Upshaw have their place in this league but it's unfair to expect anything more then what they can do. Spencer pulled the wool over the Cowboys eye's. He seemed to have the "it" factor in the pass rush department, it turned out not to be the case. When I watch Upshaw on tape he also seems to have the "it" factor but the situation is so eerily similar to Spencer when he came out.

The other issue you have is that you cant expect who ever is lined up opposite Ware to put up Ware's numbers. It would seem a pretty predictable defense to always have your OLB's rushing the QB. On the flip side, who in their right minds reduces Ware's attempts? The guy opposite Ware will always be just that, the guy opposite Ware. You just need to find someone who can maximize those opportunities.

[SDogo]

What would separate him from a guy like Aldon Smith, they seem to be similar physically. I know Smith's arm length is insane but I don't see much difference.

I'm sure you mentioned it before, but if you had to draft an OLB in the 1st who would you draft?

Smith I will admit surprised me, I did not think he would be this successful this fast. Giving credit where credit is due, the 49ers maximized his potential. He is also a bit more athletic then Upshaw.

If I was put in the position where I had to draft a OLB in the 1st I would take Melvin Ingram off pure potential. He does have that Dynamic that can make him a special pass rusher.

Overall, my favorite two are Andre Branch and Shea McClellin (go figure)

[Noryb]

Smith I will admit surprised me, I did not think he would be this successful this fast. Giving credit where credit is due, the 49ers maximized his potential. He is also a bit more athletic then Upshaw.

If I was put in the position where I had to draft a OLB in the 1st I would take Melvin Ingram off pure potential. He does have that Dynamic that can make him a special pass rusher.

Overall, my favorite two are Andre Branch and Shea McClellin (go figure)

Ingrams arm length and explosion scare me but I like Branch and McClellin.

Thanks and love what you bring to the Zone.

[woods74]

I agree 09 Spencer was looking like a guy with "it" and now he just looks like a good run stopping OLB which is ok except no one else can get to the passer

That's another reason I would love to see them grab a DL like Cox his play on film just jumps out as a disruptive player who can free up a player like spencer to play better

Also i like whitneys value with a trade down and his ceiling just seems higher than upshaws, Whitney led the country in sacks and his TFL were impressive too

[Sasquatch]

I'm really waiting for picks 7-11 to start coming into focus.

Ideally, we trade down and take Konz or Whitney. I believe Cox will be gone. Really don't believe there is great interest in Ingram.

It basically leaves:

Konz
Whitney
Poe
Brockers
Upshaw
Kirkpatrick

I'm not seeing Poe as a real option but he is in that group of DL projected around that area.

It only leaves Whitney who may be a reach at 14 and Brockers who may be gone as the only 2 options at DL IMO which is why I said what I did about picks 7-11. esp 9&11 because those are both teams that could target defensive lineman.

Devon Still not on the radar even in a trade down scenario?

[Oh_Canada]

I think either Kirkpatrick or Upshaw are strong possibilities. Your not going to hear a lot about them from Dallas. They can learn all they want with out tipping off the league. Don't underestimate Garrett's connection with Saban.

As far as the pass rushers, I don't get the feeling Dallas favors one greatly over another which makes that spot at #14 so fluid.

Ughhhhh...that would be the worst possible scenario in my opinion.

[jterrell]

Depends, I can see them moving to 18, 20 or 22. Move back from 18 would probably only fetch a 3rd rounder. I would bet we can get a 2nd for 20 and would guarantee a 2nd for 22.

I have been targeting 20 for a quite a while. Move down and pick up the 2nd but swap 3rds. If we get 18 we'd prolly have to throw in our original 4th to get that 2nd.

BUT that is just if we feel the premium guys we'd like our gone.

[VACowboy]

I'd MUCH rather take McClellin at #45 than any other OLB at #14.

And a huge NO to Kirkpatrick or Jenkins in the first round. If we're trading down and taking a corner, I'd prefer Gilmore.

[Gaede]

I'd MUCH rather take McClellin at #45 than any other OLB at #14.

And a huge NO to Kirkpatrick or Jenkins in the first round. If we're trading down and taking a corner, I'd prefer Gilmore.

I like your thinking.

[xwalker]

I'd MUCH rather take McClellin at #45 than any other OLB at #14.

And a huge NO to Kirkpatrick or Jenkins in the first round. If we're trading down and taking a corner, I'd prefer Gilmore.


I think McClellin might be the best overall SOLB prospect in this draft.

One thing that gets overlooked is the mental/instincts part of playing SOLB in Rob Ryan's (and Wade's) defense.

You have to know when to cover a RB/FB coming out of the backfield vs rush the passer and leave the RB/FB to other players in coverage.

You have to know when to set the edge in case of a run vs immediately rush the passer. The Boys have given up some big plays when Spencer made the wrong decision.

McClellin moved all around the defense in college. He lined up as DE, OLB and ILB. He has more experience in coverage than the other college DEs.

[Cowboy Junkie]

I want Cox in a bad way. Cox in the first and Bruce Irvin in the 2nd

[dmq]

I want Cox in a bad way. :umm:

[Denim Chicken]

:umm:

:laugh2:

[boysfanindc]

I will admit, he is a better athlete then I believed. I'm more inclined to say he can make the move to a 3-4 OLB but no, I still do not believe he is a 10 sack a year guy. I'm not certain how much more of an upgrade from Spencer he would be. He is just not that dynamic although much better then I initially gave him credit for.

In the video I have seen he is often blocked by TE's and RB's successfully, I just don't see him as a pass rusher at this point.