BTB: Could Dallas Cowboys Offer CB Mike Jenkins In Deal To Get CB Morris Claiborne?

[cowboyjoe]

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012/3/29/2912098/dallas-cowboys-draft-mike-jenkins-for-morris-claiborne?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
by One.Cool.Customer on Mar 29, 2012 7:00 PM CDT in Dallas Cowboys 2012 Draft
At the NFL Owners Meeting earlier this week, Jerry Jones spotted a microphone and a camera and promptly proceeded to share his thoughts about the draft with whoever wanted to listen in. In the course of the interview, Jones indicated that the Cowboys would probably target a defensive player at some of the 'premium' positions like CB, LB, DE or DT. He also talked about possibly trading out of the 14th pick. At the time, most Cowboys fans took that to mean the Cowboys were looking to trade down.

But what if the Cowboys are looking to trade up? The way the mocks are shaping up right now, the only surefire defensive players in the top ten at this point appear to be LSU CB Morris Claiborne and North Carolina DE Quinton Coples. It certainly didn't take long for the first rumors to surface that the Cowboys could be looking to trade up for Morris Claiborne.

[Romo 2 Austin]

Please just stop this. If we train up I will lose it.

[Future]

Very interesting. TB would have to think that Jenkins will give you what Claiborne will...I don't know that that's a ringing endorsement for Claiborne.

Having said that, I'd do that first scenario.

[Bluestang]

Very interesting. TB would have to think that Jenkins will give you what Claiborne will...I don't know that that's a ringing endorsement for Claiborne.

Having said that, I'd do that first scenario.


When Monte Kiffin was in TB he absolutely loved Jenkins. He thought that he was the total package.

I read this article not too long ago and it's doable but we would still be short at the CB position. I do like the idea of getting Claiborne but not at the expense of selling the farm.

[stasheroo]

I'd be surprised if Jenkins was valued that highly. Several issues involving him.

[Future]

When Monte Kiffin was in TB he absolutely loved Jenkins. He thought that he was the total package.

I read this article not too long ago and it's doable but we would still be short at the CB position. I do like the idea of getting Claiborne but not at the expense of selling the farm.
Jenkins and a conditional 3rd doesn't seem like selling the farm to be honest.

I don't really know if Claiborne is worth all that or not. But, it does mean that we could lock up Claiborne, and we have 3 CBs under contract for the next 4 years or whatever. With Jenkins' contract coming up, might be something I'd consider.

Plus we have that 2nd fourth rounder now, so maybe we move back up into the late first or early second to make a play for Konz or something. I think we have a lot of flexibility in this draft.

[TheCount]

How can you trade a player that can't pass a physical?

[RS12]

How can you trade a player that can't pass a physical?

details, details

[Chocolate Lab]

Who is this "Long Ball" guy who knows teams have been talking about this? :cool:

Anyway, going from 14 to 6 for Jenkins and a 3rd is pure pipe dream. Come on.

[DFWJC]

Very interesting. TB would have to think that Jenkins will give you what Claiborne will...I don't know that that's a ringing endorsement for Claiborne.

Having said that, I'd do that first scenario.

No, they just have to think that Jenkins and pick 14 give them more than their pick?..it would be our 1st, not our 3rd...imo

[Hoofbite]

Did anyone see the trades?

1. If the Rams moved up from 6 to 4, and if Claiborne was still on the board, Dallas would send #14, Mike Jenkins and a conditional 4th round in 2013 that could become 3rd round to Cleveland for #6.

2. If the Browns stay at #4, Dallas would send #14, Mike Jenkins, Felix Jones and 2013 3rd round to Cleveland for #4.

Browns #6

For

Dallas #14, Mike Jenkins, Conditional 2013 4th Rounder


OR

Browns #4

For

Dallas #14, Mike Jenkins, Felix Jones, 2013 3rd Rounder.


I gotta tell ya, I'd probably jump on the first one in a heartbeat.

With Jenkins in a contract year, you could get a guy dirt cheap and would not take a hit in play.

Not sure I would ditch Felix because there's nobody behind him but if Dallas could get an adequate back to split carries with Murray, I might consider it.

[speedkilz88]

Talk about reaching. (that this could happen)

[Arch Stanton]

There are two hopes of this happening. No hope and Bob Hope....

[M'Kevon]

Complete shoulder reconstruction. Can't pass a physical, and won't until August at the earliest.

I hope no one in this thread was laughing at the "trade Vick to Miami" thread. This one makes even less sense. :bang2:

[CCBoy]

Did anyone see the trades?



Browns #6

For

Dallas #14, Mike Jenkins, Conditional 2013 4th Rounder


OR

Browns #4

For

Dallas #14, Mike Jenkins, Felix Jones, 2013 3rd Rounder.


I gotta tell ya, I'd probably jump on the first one in a heartbeat.

With Jenkins in a contract year, you could get a guy dirt cheap and would not take a hit in play.

Not sure I would ditch Felix because there's nobody behind him but if Dallas could get an adequate back to split carries with Murray, I might consider it.

Baylor's running back and a similar pick to Murray's comes to mind.

[Beast_from_East]

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2012/3/29/2912098/dallas-cowboys-draft-mike-jenkins-for-morris-claiborne?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
by One.Cool.Customer on Mar 29, 2012 7:00 PM CDT in Dallas Cowboys 2012 Draft
At the NFL Owners Meeting earlier this week, Jerry Jones spotted a microphone and a camera and promptly proceeded to share his thoughts about the draft with whoever wanted to listen in. In the course of the interview, Jones indicated that the Cowboys would probably target a defensive player at some of the 'premium' positions like CB, LB, DE or DT. He also talked about possibly trading out of the 14th pick. At the time, most Cowboys fans took that to mean the Cowboys were looking to trade down.

But what if the Cowboys are looking to trade up? The way the mocks are shaping up right now, the only surefire defensive players in the top ten at this point appear to be LSU CB Morris Claiborne and North Carolina DE Quinton Coples. It certainly didn't take long for the first rumors to surface that the Cowboys could be looking to trade up for Morris Claiborne.

If the Browns want a CB, why would they not just take Claiborne themselves?


And if the trade is Jenkins and a conditional 4th, I am all over that. Just wondering why the Browns would want Jenkins over Claiborne themsleves?

[Zaxor]

If the Browns want a CB, why would they not just take Claiborne themselves?


And if the trade is Jenkins and a conditional 4th, I am all over that. Just wondering why the Browns would want Jenkins over Claiborne themsleves?

because they get a starting CB and a starting (what ever they chose with Dallas 1st rnd pick) plus a additional pick... so in essense you could be trading Jenkins(1st), Decastro(1st) and Free(4th) for Claiborne...people get so caught up in the value of the pick but need to realize it is players you are really changing

so those that are saying it is ridiculous I think are trying to find value in numbers and not players but numbers don't play the game players do.

I would do this deal it benefits both teams in the short and long term.

[M'Kevon]

because they get a starting CB and a starting (what ever they chose with Dallas 1st rnd pick) plus a additional pick... so in essense you could be trading Jenkins(1st), Decastro(1st) and Free(4th) for Claiborne...people get so caught up in the value of the pick but need to realize it is players you are really changing

so those that are saying it is ridiculous I think are trying to find value in numbers and not players but numbers don't play the game players do.

I would do this deal it benefits both teams in the short and long term.

No, not value in numbers. You simply cannot trade an injured player. Jenkins has to pass a physical. And he won't for a very long time.

[Zaxor]

No, not value in numbers. You simply cannot trade an injured player. Jenkins has to pass a physical. And he won't for a very long time.

you can't cut an injured player without an injury waiver but you can trade them if the team getting him understands that he is injured and didn't make passing a physical as a part of the deal.

[stasheroo]

you can't cut an injured player without an injury waiver but you can trade them if the team getting him understands that he is injured and didn't make passing a physical as a part of the deal.

And you see the Browns wanting to do that for the #4 overall pick?

[DCBoysfan]

If the Browns want a CB, why would they not just take Claiborne themselves?


And if the trade is Jenkins and a conditional 4th, I am all over that. Just wondering why the Browns would want Jenkins over Claiborne themsleves?

Thats what I was thinking.

[cowboysooner]

Thats what I was thinking.

My guess is they want Floyd or Kendall Wright or right tackle like Reilly Reif. They have a #1 corner in Joe Haden and would like a reasonable #2 corner but strategically don't think drafting a corner is the correct thing to do considering they spent #7 on Haden 2 years ago. They may think that top 5 running backs are too risky and not a great long term investment since they will only be great for 6-8 years at best. Unless they love Blackman or Tannehill, the talent at the top of the board does not really fit their team needs this year.

[Sam I Am]

Did anyone see the trades?



Browns #6

For

Dallas #14, Mike Jenkins, Conditional 2013 4th Rounder


OR

Browns #4

For

Dallas #14, Mike Jenkins, Felix Jones, 2013 3rd Rounder.


I gotta tell ya, I'd probably jump on the first one in a heartbeat.

With Jenkins in a contract year, you could get a guy dirt cheap and would not take a hit in play.

Not sure I would ditch Felix because there's nobody behind him but if Dallas could get an adequate back to split carries with Murray, I might consider it.

Trade 2 starters and a 3rd round pick for 1 starter? (I consider both backs starters when you run a two back system)

[cowboysooner]

Trade 2 starters and a 3rd round pick for 1 starter? (I consider both backs starters when you run a two back system)

Or it could be trade long term starter for another long term starter and 2 guys you don't plan on keeping past this year.

[Zaxor]

And you see the Browns wanting to do that for the #4 overall pick?

depends Stash do you think the Browns would find Jenkins, DeCastro and Free is worth Claiborne

[Zaxor]

My guess is they want Floyd or Kendall Wright or right tackle like Reilly Reif. They have a #1 corner in Joe Haden and would like a reasonable #2 corner but strategically don't think drafting a corner is the correct thing to do considering they spent #7 on Haden 2 years ago. They may think that top 5 running backs are too risky and not a great long term investment since they will only be great for 6-8 years at best. Unless they love Blackman or Tannehill, the talent at the top of the board does not really fit their team needs this year.

and there is this also...

[DFWJC]

Some of the trade scenarios you guys are throwing out here regarding Cleveland's 4th are nuts.

Let's get this straight:
If Cleveland were to trade it's 4th pick to Dallas and if Jenkins was to be involved, it would be for Dallas' 14th pick plus Jenkins.
At best for Dallas maybe the 4th pick and Cleveland's 4th for Jenkins and our 1st rounder.

Anyway, I don't see any of it happening so the point is moot.

[Zaxor]

Some of the trade scenarios you guys are throwing out here regarding Cleveland's 4th are nuts.

Let's get this straight:
If Cleveland were to trade it's 4th pick to Dallas and if Jenkins was to be involved, it would be for Dallas' 14th pick plus Jenkins.
At best for Dallas maybe the 4th pick and Cleveland's 4th for Jenkins and our 1st rounder.

Anyway, I don't see any of it happening so the point is moot.

we give them Jenkins our 1st and our 4rd for their 1st
to put it in player terms
it would Jenkins (1strndpick)DeCastro(1strndpick) &Free (4thrnd pick)


so Cle would get a starting CB a starting other thing and a possible in the 4th


we get Claiborne


this helps both teams Dallas doesn't have to give a great big contract to Jenkins and would have 3 relatively young corners locked up for 4-5 years

cleveland need another corner but not necessarily a #1 type because they got Hayden enter Mike Jenkins perfect for them so it saves them having to draft one now they get our 1st rnd pick to help them where they think they need it and an extra 4th to either trade or get another player


sorta a win-win

[CCBoy]

I can see paying cap dollars for another Deion Sanders, but why pay out high draft picked players of your own, to take a shot at a single yet undrafted player to be seen on the field later?

That defeats the premise of building up quality depth of your own...for a positional favoring single player. After cutting lose the number of recent veterans over the past three seasons, this sounds really unsound.

[DFWJC]

I can see paying cap dollars for another Deion Sanders, but why pay out high draft picked players of your own, to take a shot at a single yet undrafted player to be seen on the field later?

That defeats the premise of building up quality depth of your own...for a positional favoring single player. After cutting lose the number of recent veterans over the past three seasons, this sounds really unsound.
I agree. As much as I love Claiborne, the price would be too high, imo.

I guess if somehow the price was not too high....but that's a pipe dream and not reality.

[RS12]

Or it could be trade long term starter for another long term starter and 2 guys you don't plan on keeping past this year.

This.

[stasheroo]

depends Stash do you think the Browns would find Jenkins, DeCastro and Free is worth Claiborne

I'm not following where Free comes into the conversation?

But I can't see them wanting to sign up for taking on two players in the last year of deals looking for big money next year rather than rookies at what are now reasonable numbers.

[fortdick]

Jenkins has 2010 season hanging around his neck. He has little value until he proves that was not his standard of play. Heck, I'm not sure I want him here.

[Zaxor]

I'm not following where Free comes into the conversation?

But I can't see them wanting to sign up for taking on two players in the last year of deals looking for big money next year rather than rookies at what are now reasonable numbers.
just an example of a 4th rounder Stash

[Zaxor]

I can see paying cap dollars for another Deion Sanders, but why pay out high draft picked players of your own, to take a shot at a single yet undrafted player to be seen on the field later?

That defeats the premise of building up quality depth of your own...for a positional favoring single player. After cutting lose the number of recent veterans over the past three seasons, this sounds really unsound.

I certainly can appreciate that but you will have to have a CB next year...can't possibly keep spending 50m on CB's the team is going to have to draft one that can play and play well and they can alternate spending big on one and drafting the other so the price can stay doable ....if you have a chance to draft an elite corner this draft you are ahead of the game...

but what it doesn't do like you said is add another body to a too spread thin defense already

[texbumthelife]

This would have a lot of merit and possibility if Jenkins was healthy. He has shut-down corner ability and fits the style the Browns like to play. Jenkins and Haden would be an insane combination and they would have to wait out more rookie growing pains at corner.

That said, he isn't healthy and won't be for some time so this has no merit or potential.

[interestedobserver]

No, they just have to think that Jenkins and pick 14 give them more than their pick?..it would be our 1st, not our 3rd...imo


At least.

[Randy White]

I'd make a trade up with the Browns for the #4 that includes Murray AND Jenkins, but with the condition that the Browns swicth with us in the 2nd round as well.

Replacing Murray is not a problem at all, and Claiborne over Jenkins is a no brainer.

Claiborne and Carr as the starting corners ?

Where do I sign up ?

[DFWJC]

I'd make a trade up with the Browns for the #4 that includes Murray AND Jenkins, but with the condition that the Browns swicth with us in the 2nd round as well.

Replacing Murray is not a problem at all, and Claiborne over Jenkins is a no brainer.

Claiborne and Carr as the starting corners ?

Where do I sign up ?
Murray could end up being our best back in a decade. You think he can easily replaced?

[newlander]

I'd be surprised if Jenkins was valued that highly. Several issues involving him.


........first and foremost that shoulder: it ain't right. Will it be? Who knows?

[newlander]

This would have a lot of merit and possibility if Jenkins was healthy. He has shut-down corner ability and fits the style the Browns like to play. Jenkins and Haden would be an insane combination and they would have to wait out more rookie growing pains at corner.

That said, he isn't healthy and won't be for some time so this has no merit or potential.



......Tex nailed it: lock the thread!

[Randy White]

Murray could end up being our best back in a decade. You think he can easily replaced?


" Could ", " maybe ", " if ".. He could be easily replaced. Murray himself was a 3rd round pick. Not to mention that the running back position is not the same as it was back in the 90's or before.

[DFWJC]

" Could ", " maybe ", " if ".. He could be easily replaced. Murray himself was a 3rd round pick. Not to mention that the running back position is not the same as it was back in the 90's or before.
I disagree about the easily replaced part. He had a couple of games that were unmatched in the league this year, so I'd like to at least see if that's for real. Not just any JAG has games like that.

Him being picked in the 3rd round is so far beyond irrelevant it's not even worth discussing. With that thought, Tom Brady can easily be replaced due to his 6th rounbd staus. Romo too for that matter. Re-drafts have Murry as 1st round material.

Anyway, I do agree that the position is not what it was in the 90s and before.

[GloryDaysRBack]

#1 i dont think this is going to happen

however, I would glady trade jenkins, 14, and a 3rd in 13 for #6...i would even throw in felix if it got us to #4

neither jenkins nor felix will be back next year..drafting claiborne would be great..we would be very thin at RB but we can easily find a backup RB..i would do it WITHOUT hesitation

[Randy White]

I disagree about the easily replaced part. He had a couple of games that were unmatched in the league this year, so I'd like to at least see if that's for real. Not just any JAG has games like that.

Kevin Smith, Detroit Lions, a 2nd round draft pick himself who was cut then resigned again, has had a couple of games that were also unmatched and yes, there have been " JAGs " who have had games like that.. even periods of time.. ( Julius Jones anyone ? )

Murray might turn out to be a good one, or a JAG, that's yet to be determined, but he should NOT be the obstacle that would prevent the Cowboys from getting a CB with the potential of Claiborne ( hypothetically speaking )


Him being picked in the 3rd round is so far beyond irrelevant it's not even worth discussing. With that thought, Tom brady can easily replaced due to his 6th rounbd staus. Romo too for that matter.

The point was that since HE was drafted in the 3rd round, and HE replaced a former #1 draft pick, then it goes without saying that HE can be replaced just as well, or his production, and rather easily.

As you agreed, the RB position isn't what it used to be and even the top talent is not as highly regarded as it once was.

[DFWJC]

Kevin Smith, Detroit Lions, a 2nd round draft pick himself who was cut then resigned again, has had a couple of games that were also unmatched and yes, there have been " JAGs " who have had games like that.. even periods of time.. ( Julius Jones anyone ? )

Murray might turn out to be a good one, or a JAG, that's yet to be determined, but he should NOT be the obstacle that would prevent the Cowboys from getting a CB with the potential of Claiborne ( hypothetically speaking )




The point was that since HE was drafted in the 3rd round, and HE replaced a former #1 draft pick, then it goes without saying that HE can be replaced just as well, or his production, and rather easily.

As you agreed, the RB position isn't what it used to be and even the top talent is not as highly regarded as it once was.
I see what you're saying. I'm just not at all convinced that Murray is a JAG.

If he has 1500-1600 yards in him, then no, he can not be replaced easily. From what I saw, it looked like he very well could have that in him. Julius Jones never had a game like he did last year. And both JJ and Kevin Smith topped out at about 1100 yards in a full season. That's no comp at all.

Anyway, point well taken.
I'm just curious to see if we have someting special in Murray. He did, after all, have the best rushing game ever by a Cowboy RB last year. We just only got to see him for part of a season.

[Randy White]

Murray will turn out to be a top guy, perhaps not. However, if he turns out to be one of the top guys in the league, his production would still be limited to what the position dictates in today's NFL.

Look at the leading rusher last year ( Maurice Drew Jones ). He had 1,600 yards last year, but his team went nowhere because they didn't have a passing game. He was THE offense for them. The next 5 leading rushers were 300 yards behind MDJ, were about 150 yards of each other ( 2nd - 6th ), but all 5 of their respective teams made the playoffs. They had good, solid seasons, but they weren't spectacular by any stretch of the imagination and none of them were drafted in the 1st round.

As a matter of fact, out of the top 10 leading rushers last year, only 3 were drafted in the 1st round: 7. Marshawn Lynch, 9. Stephen Jackson, 10. Ryan Mathews.

If the Browns would be willing to switch in the 1st and 2nd rounds, and all they ask in return is a 4th rounder plus Murray and Jenkins, the Cowboys would be foolish to turn that deal down ( hypothically speaking ).