Terence Newman - At Least We Tried

[Apollo Creed]

To get rid of him before last season.

And whats up with all the Newman hate? Dude is getting Bobby Carpenter kinda love these days.

Another thread got me thinking, and it's quite funny and sad. You can't even give a Newman jersey away. In his best years he was a pro bowl caliber guy that could shut down Steve Smith in his prime.

But dude was always hurt, always had some nagging injury, once he lost his physical ability - it was a wrap, he was never really that much of a ball hawk. Never really made any plays, had one gift pick 6 if I remember correctly. All his picks came against the Skins (which was kinda cool) but most were in the thrown right to ya Larry Brown kinda way.

Kudos to Jerry & co, the writing was obviously on the wall, they tried to get rid of him last offseason but just lost out on Nnamdi, hell Newman called Campo wondering if he was still on the team - so it is positive to know that the front office knew, like we all knew, that he was completely done. Bet they wish they would've just cut Newman, went after Jonathan Joseph early and settled for him instead of losing out on Nnamdi ultimately because he wanted to play for a winner (6-10 lolz).

Anyways, carry on zoners, because he deserves it after he blew it down the stretch last year and almost single handedly caused us the playoffs. Oh, and btw he was a me-first guy in the locker room, especially after he felt 'not wanted' - so he definitely was one of those secret locker room cancers that were alluded to after last season.

Good riddance bro, you deserve Cincy - now we got 3 young corners that can ball, and about to draft a 4th.

[Idgit]

But dude was always hurt, always had some nagging injury, once he lost his physical ability - it was a wrap, he was never really that much of a ball hawk. Never really made any plays, had one gift pick 6 if I remember correctly. All his picks came against the Skins (which was kinda cool) but most were in the thrown right to ya Larry Brown kinda way...

Anyways, carry on zoners, because he deserves it after he blew it down the stretch last year and almost single handedly caused us the playoffs. Oh, and btw he was a me-first guy in the locker room, especially after he felt 'not wanted' - so he definitely was one of those secret locker room cancers that were alluded to after last season.

Drivel. No offense.

[stasheroo]

Drivel. No offense.

As expected.

[popp1234]

Anyways, carry on zoners, because he deserves it after he blew it down the stretch last year and almost single handedly caused us the playoffs. Oh, and btw he was a me-first guy in the locker room, especially after he felt 'not wanted' - so he definitely was one of those secret locker room cancers that were alluded to after last season.

Good riddance bro, you deserve Cincy - now we got 3 young corners that can ball, and about to draft a 4th.


Unbelievable. I rest my case.

[Apollo Creed]

Drivel. No offense.

Even if he played, he was always hurt in some way, shape, or form.

Hammy, groin, plantar facawhatever, etc.

And I was there in Dallas when Eli was going right after him constantly, and he'd give up big play after big play on third down. Dropped a sure pick 6. Then in the game in New York, he let the Cruz play, designed to get 7 yards go for 80 and a TD because he'd lost step and couldn't even dive or make an effort. So if Newman even plays average football in either games, we at least make the playoffs and the Giants don't have 2 Super Bowls right now.

So, where exactly was I driveling, if that's even a word.

[baj1dallas]

You probably didn't notice, but he was actually a pretty good player for us, for quite a while.

[Future]

Anyways, carry on zoners, because he deserves it after he blew it down the stretch last year and almost single handedly caused us the playoffs. Oh, and btw he was a me-first guy in the locker room, especially after he felt 'not wanted' - so he definitely was one of those secret locker room cancers that were alluded to after last season.
What? Where did that come from?

[popp1234]

You probably didn't notice, but he was actually a pretty good player for us, for quite a while.

Thank you for considering his "total body of work", NOT just the last few seasons. :)

[The Emperor]

To get rid of him before last season.

And whats up with all the Newman hate? Dude is getting Bobby Carpenter kinda love these days.


Because his lasting memory as a Dallas Cowboy is getting leaped over by two slow white boys in a game with a playoff berth on the line.

[Hoofbite]

I've seen many posters, some with decent reputations and some who have nailed certain things in the passed who have said that Newman was more of a me-first type of guy.

I didn't write down who in my journal or anything but I remember being surprised when I saw it at the time.

It really wouldn't shock me.

[Apollo Creed]

What? Where did that come from?

Had to say something dramatic for emphasis.

Was a rare combination of which to why we didn't make the playoffs last year it seemed that either our interior line, coaching staff, defense, Romo, etc almost single-handedly costed us a game last year so the blame goes all around.

But in both games against the Giants, Newman was a total liability and was really targetted and exploited by the Giants.

Think the Cruz play in NY, Newman's dropped pick 6, and him giving up countless big plays on those two long drives where the Giants got 14 points by basically going right at him.

I understand this is the ultimate team game, but if Newman plays even decently in either game - we probably go the playoffs.

Reason we why extended Scandrick, paid Carr 10 mil, are looking to extend Jenkins, and are targetting a CB in the first 2 rounds.

So the Jones' understand that CB is a premium position, and the play of Terence Newman down the stretch really showed how a liability in coverage can cause you a season (also see Jacques Reeves in 07 versus the G-men when we went 13-3).

But don't pay any attention to me, it's all drivel.

[Apollo Creed]

You probably didn't notice, but he was actually a pretty good player for us, for quite a while.

For a 2-3 year stretch maybe, not what you want for a top 10 pick that you're paying like he's an all pro corner.

For what he was getting paid, where he was drafted, and how he performed his career here was disappointing to say the least.

I understand the whole defense sucked last year and didn't have much of a pass rush but that didn't stop Jenkins from having a great year. Large in part due to the fact that teams would comfortably target Newman knowing that he wasn't a threat to do much of anything, except give up long 3rd downs.

[Idgit]

Even if he played, he was always hurt in some way, shape, or form.

Hammy, groin, plantar facawhatever, etc.

And I was there in Dallas when Eli was going right after him constantly, and he'd give up big play after big play on third down. Dropped a sure pick 6. Then in the game in New York, he let the Cruz play, designed to get 7 yards go for 80 and a TD because he'd lost step and couldn't even dive or make an effort. So if Newman even plays average football in either games, we at least make the playoffs and the Giants don't have 2 Super Bowls right now.

So, where exactly was I driveling, if that's even a word.

This was the driveliest stuff, if that's a word:

"he was never really that much of a ball hawk."
"Never really made any plays."
"dude was always hurt"
"Oh, and btw he was a me-first guy in the locker room"
"he definitely was one of those secret locker room cancers"

But this, too, is off the mark:

"And I was there in Dallas when Eli was going right after him constantly, and he'd give up big play after big play on third down."

He played a pretty dang good game against Eli in Dallas until he gave up a clutch conversion on a fourth down pass where we also weren't getting any pressure. Our safety play lost us the game that day, blowing a huge coverage for a walk-in td and allowing two more which were contested.

He screwed the pooch in NY, though.

[Idgit]

As expected.

Thanks! When you're right, you might as well also be consistent.

[Apollo Creed]

This was the driveliest stuff, if that's a word:

"he was never really that much of a ball hawk."
"Never really made any plays."
"dude was always hurt"
"Oh, and btw he was a me-first guy in the locker room"
"he definitely was one of those secret locker room cancers"

But this, too, is off the mark:

"And I was there in Dallas when Eli was going right after him constantly, and he'd give up big play after big play on third down."

He played a pretty dang good game against Eli in Dallas until he gave up a clutch conversion on a fourth down pass where we also weren't getting any pressure. Our safety play lost us the game that day, blowing a huge coverage for a walk-in td and allowing two more which were contested.

He screwed the pooch in NY, though.

So giving up multiple 3rd and longs to Manningham late in the 4th quarter is 'pretty dang good'?

[Idgit]

So giving up multiple 3rd and longs to Manningham late in the 4th quarter is 'pretty dang good'?

See. This is what always happens in these debates. It was one 4th and three, and one deep ball into double coverage where he was beat but the WR dropped it. But people remember it differently for reasons that escape me but have nothing to do with how TNew actually played.

If you don't believe me, watch the game reset (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011121113/2011/REG14/giants@cowboys#tab=recap&recap=fullstory&menu=highlights) here. I challenge the usual haters to tell me we lost this game because of TNew on defense. Let me here it in context, since it gets mentioned off-handedly in threads about last season all the time.

[stasheroo]

Thanks! When you're right, you might as well also be consistent.

If by consistent you mean always rushing to defend your guy, then yeah.

[Idgit]

If by consistent you mean always rushing to defend your guy, then yeah.

Not my guy, but right is right. Care to dispute my take on his play in the home NYG game? It got pretty quiet in here, otherwise.

[Chocolate Lab]

I understand this is the ultimate team game, but if Newman plays even decently in either game - we probably go the playoffs.What? We got absolutely rolled in all areas in that last game.

And I realize people are going to hate players on their way out the door, but the cancer stuff is ridiculous. Everyone has talked about what a good teammate he was. Parcells said several times he had the best work ethic on the team.

[CowboyFan74]

Somebody had a really cool animated gif about 5-6 years ago of Newman being a shut down corner that listed some really top dog wideouts that he neutralized....

Anybody recall this?

[ROUSH8692]

See. This is what always happens in these debates. It was one 4th and three, and one deep ball into double coverage where he was beat but the WR dropped it. But people remember it differently for reasons that escape me but have nothing to do with how TNew actually played.

If you don't believe me, watch the game reset (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011121113/2011/REG14/giants@cowboys#tab=recap&recap=fullstory&menu=highlights) here. I challenge the usual haters to tell me we lost this game because of TNew on defense. Let me here it in context, since it gets mentioned off-handedly in threads about last season all the time.

What an idgit

[stasheroo]

Not my guy, but right is right. Care to dispute my take on his play in the home NYG game? It got pretty quiet in here, otherwise.

Not worth the effort to be honest. He is gone. Nothing is changing that. The team is now better off. No more money going down the drain.

[BraveHeartFan]

You probably didn't notice, but he was actually a pretty good player for us, for quite a while.


This.

I understand the guy was bad the last two years, and really really really bad the last half of last season. It was time for him to go. With out a doubt.


But to many are acting like the guy was nothing but a terrible player his whole time here and that's simply not the case.

[burmafrd]

as usual those with an agenda are allergic to facts.

Yes in the last two years (one of which he had a bad rib injury) he stank most of the time.

But from 2003 to 2009 he was one of the best corners in the game.

So much for this 2-3 year crap. But then haters are never familiar with facts

[Sam I Am]

Because his lasting memory as a Dallas Cowboy is getting leaped over by two slow white boys in a game with a playoff berth on the line.

http://img.anongallery.org/img/8/7/thats-racist.gif

:laugh2:

[Idgit]

Not worth the effort to be honest. He is gone. Nothing is changing that. The team is now better off. No more money going down the drain.

Come on, stash. If it was worth the effort to come into the thread, and worth the effort to comment on the fact that I called bs on a weirdly wrong assessment of 'my boy's' play at CB here in Dallas, but it's not worth the extra keystrokes to say 'but you're 100% right about his play in the home Giants game"?

I've never known you to shy away from a debate. I'm going to take this as further confirmation that you know I'm right until and unless you say otherwise.

[Idgit]

What an idgit

Can't tell if this is tongue-in-cheek agreement, or serious. I'm going to go with tongue-in-cheek agreement because it's so much nicer that way.

[stasheroo]

Come on, stash. If it was worth the effort to come into the thread, and worth the effort to comment on the fact that I called bs on a weirdly wrong assessment of 'my boy's' play at CB here in Dallas, but it's not worth the extra keystrokes to say 'but you're 100% right about his play in the home Giants game"?

I've never known you to shy away from a debate. I'm going to take this as further confirmation that you know I'm right until and unless you say otherwise.

I am so little interested that I will concede your point without a fight, even if I disagree.

That's how little it matters to me at this point.

I see people on either side making inaccurate statements regarding the others' positions.

The fact is that his last two years were a disappointing end to his tenure in Dallas. He wasn't a bum by any stretch, but the return on investment the last two seasons left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.

Ultimately, it's a moot point as he is now a former Cowboy.