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Duane
04-08-2005, 08:36 AM
Mock Draft -First Round
1.San Francisco - Aaron Rodgers - QB - Cal
2 Miami - Derrick Johnson - LB - Texas
3 Cleveland - Alex Smith - QB - Utah
4 Chicago - Braylon Edwards - WR - Michigan
5 Tampa Bay - Carnell Williams - RB - Auburn
6 Tennessee - Antrel Rolle - CB - Miami
7 Minn (Oak) - Mike Williams - WR -USC
8 Arizona - Ronnie Brown - RB - Auburn
9 Washington - Heath Miller - TE - Virginia
10 Detroit - Erasmus James - DE - Wisconsin
11 Dallas - Shawne Merriman - LB - Maryland
12 San Diego (Giants)- Pac Man Jones - CB - W.Va.
13 Houston - Alex Barron - OT - Florida St.
14 Carolina - Cedric Benson - RB - Texas
15 Kansas City - Travis Johnson - DT - Florida St.
16 New Orleans - Thomas Davis - S - Georgia
17 Cincinnati - Marcus Spears - DE - LSU
18 Minnesota - Dan Cody - DE - Oklahoma
19 St. Louis - David Pollack - DE - Georgia
20 Dallas (Buff) - Mark Clayton - WR - Oklahoma
21 Jacksonville - Troy Williamson - WR - S. Carolina
22 Baltimore - Shaun Cody - DE - USC
23 Seattle - Matt Roth - DE - Iowa
24 Green Bay - Kevin Burnett - LB - Tennessee
25 Denver - Carlos Rogers - CB - Auburn
26 New York Jets - Marlin Jackson - CB - Michigan
27 Atlanta - Justin Miller - CB - Clemson
28 San Diego - Daryl Blackstock - LB - Virginia
29 Indianapolis - Channing Crowder - LB - Florida
30 Pittsburgh - Demarcus Ware - LB - Troy St.
31 Philadelphia - Chris Henry - WR - West Virginia
32 New England -Jammal Brown - OT - Oklahoma
Thanks for postin that one up Duane.
Yet another mock that has us taking Merriman and Clayton
I dont't see Miami taking DJ at 2 nor do I see Williams going before Ronnie Brown as far as the RB's go. I think Miller at 9 is a reach as well
nathanlt
04-08-2005, 08:50 AM
Merriman and Clayton are two of the biggest names in the draft. Merriman may have a little hype associated with him, but Clayton has none, everyone knows he's a playmaker. I like both picks. Of course, last year's draft skipped over the big names, it was seemingly all potential. And it worked out just fine with Julius Jones, didn't it?
I just hate waiting for the draft to come around.
cobra
04-08-2005, 08:51 AM
Looks good to me. My first three picks for the 'Boys has been for a couple months now: 1. Merriman, 2. Clayton, 3. Bullocks. So, if these guys have us taking Josh in the 2nd, it would be a mirror of me!
That said, I think this mock is flawed. Miami is taking Ronnie Brown with the 2nd pick. There is no doubt about that. As we get closer, more picks get set in stone. We know to an almost certainty that the draft is going to go 1. Rodgers 2. Brown.
BrAinPaiNt
04-08-2005, 09:05 AM
Looks good to me. My first three picks for the 'Boys has been for a couple months now: 1. Merriman, 2. Clayton, 3. Bullocks. So, if these guys have us taking Josh in the 2nd, it would be a mirror of me!
That said, I think this mock is flawed. Miami is taking Ronnie Brown with the 2nd pick. There is no doubt about that. As we get closer, more picks get set in stone. We know to an almost certainty that the draft is going to go 1. Rodgers 2. Brown.
I could walk away happy with those three picks.
I am not really sure about merriman...I think he could become a heck of a player for us but at the same time I think it may take a season before he starts to show how good he can be.
Clayton, whether people care for him or not, seems to be at worst a steady WR who can help move the chains and is a threat to take a short pass for the extra yards.
And Bullocks seems to be the best FS in the draft that could help us have a great secondary corps.
Danny White
04-08-2005, 09:26 AM
I could walk away happy with those three picks.
I am not really sure about merriman...I think he could become a heck of a player for us but at the same time I think it may take a season before he starts to show how good he can be.
Clayton, whether people care for him or not, seems to be at worst a steady WR who can help move the chains and is a threat to take a short pass for the extra yards.
And Bullocks seems to be the best FS in the draft that could help us have a great secondary corps.
I think I'd rather have Barron at #11 in that draft... but otherwise, we're singin off the same sheet of music. Bullocks or Pool in the second would be hot as well.
Charles
04-08-2005, 09:26 AM
As the draft gets near most mock drafts will have Heath Miller going in the top 10.
He isn't a reach at 9, 10 or the 11th pick because there aren't 10 better collegiate players than Heath Miller.
I remember a couple of years ago when the Cowboys were going after Roy Williams. What was the cry from most scouts, mediots and fans.......How can you draft a safety that high? :banghead: , Inhindsight the only player that has had similar impact and was drafted ahead of Roy Williams is Julius Peppers.
If the Cowboys have a player ranked high whom also plays in a position of need they then shouldn't look back. If not take the best player available regardless of whom they got on the roster.
Drafting for need got us Ellis, Pittman, Ekuban, Carter, Lafleur etc
As the draft gets near most mock drafts will have Heath Miller going in the top 10.
He isn't a reach at 9, 10 or the 11th pick because there aren't 10 better collegiate players than Heath Miller.
I remember a couple of years ago when the Cowboys were going after Roy Williams. What was the cry from most scouts, mediots and fans.......How can you draft a safety that high? :banghead: , Inhindsight the only player that has had similar impact and was drafted ahead of Roy Williams is Julius Peppers.
If the Cowboys have a player ranked high whom also plays in a position of need they then shouldn't look back. If not take the best player available regardless of whom they got on the roster.
Drafting for need got us Ellis, Pittman, Ekuban, Carter, Lafleur etc
I've been propping Heath Miller as a potential cowboy all along. Hoping his groin surgery drops him to #42, but I have him #21 overall on my board. I can see a scenario where Parcells may go get him at #20.
Doomsday101
04-08-2005, 09:34 AM
I've been propping Heath Miller as a potential cowboy all along. Hoping his groin surgery drops him to #42, but I have him #21 overall on my board. I can see a scenario where Parcells may go get him at #20.
I just don't see Dallas adding a 3rd TE at that high of a price.
Charles
04-08-2005, 09:37 AM
I've been propping Heath Miller as a potential cowboy all along. Hoping his groin surgery drops him to #42, but I have him #21 overall on my board. I can see a scenario where Parcells may go get him at #20.
The reason Heath Miller will start to rise again is because most teams at this time go back to game tape, info. compiled during combines and work-outs don't carry that much weight down the stretch.
THUMPER
04-08-2005, 09:39 AM
I have us taking DE Merriman at #11, WR Clayton at #20, and LB Blackstock at #42.
That would fill 3 needs without having to reach for any of them. They would also be quality players that could step in as rookies and play early in the season if not right from the start.
Merriman would be an immediate starter at DE since we really don't have any competition for him right now.
Clayton is the most NFL-ready WR (outside of the guys that will be gone by #11) and could start right away if Key or Glenn can't go for some reason, or even as the 3rd WR over Morgan. Not many rookie WRs can come in and play right away but Clayton is one that probably could.
Blackstock has the size and quickness to replace Singleton or he could even beat out James for Coakley's spot. LB is one of the easiest positions for a rookie to step into and play well.
If Blackstock is gone then FS Bullocks would be a very nice choice at #42.
I just don't see Dallas adding a 3rd TE at that high of a price.
Witten, Heath Miller are more than TE's. You split them out in multiple formations. Put themout as 3rd WR. Hback them in motion. League is going to Big TE's that can overpower DB's. What happens if a TE goes down? Parcells covets TE's. He's that good. We can drfat BPA - Drafting to needs can kill a team - look how poorly we did that last 12 years, especially at DE.
We have 3 picks top 42.
Doomsday101
04-08-2005, 09:47 AM
Witten, Heath Miller are more than TE's. You split them out in multiple formations. Put themout as 3rd WR. Hback them in motion. League is going to Big TE's that can overpower DB's. What happens if a TE goes down? Parcells covets TE's. He's that good. We can drfat BPA - Drafting to needs can kill a team - look how poorly we did that last 12 years, especially at DE.
We have 3 picks top 42.
I don't think Dallas will use a top pick on a 3rd TE, you want wager on it? I think Miller is a very good TE but I do not think Dallas is going to take any TE in day 1 of the draft if at all.
Charles
04-08-2005, 09:49 AM
Witten, Heath Miller are more than TE's. You split them out in multiple formations. Put themout as 3rd WR. Hback them in motion. League is going to Big TE's that can overpower DB's. What happens if a TE goes down? Parcells covets TE's. He's that good. We can drfat BPA - Drafting to needs can kill a team - look how poorly we did that last 12 years, especially at DE.
We have 3 picks top 42.
If a TE goes down we have Dan Campbell and Sean Ryan :p: .
If the Patriots lose Graham, they've got Watson and Vrabel.
If the Eagles lose Chad Lewis they counter with L.J Smith.
Dan Campbell, Sean Ryan and Jeff Robinson shouldn't stop the Cowboys from drafting a blue chip TE especially if other positions of need don't grade higher than the TE.
Doomsday101
04-08-2005, 09:51 AM
If a TE goes down we have Dan Campbell and Sean Ryan :p: .
If the Patriots lose Graham, they've got Watson and Vrabel.
If the Eagles lose Chad Lewis they counter with L.J Smith.
Dan Campbell, Sean Ryan and Jeff Robinson shouldn't stop the Cowboys from drafting a blue chip TE.
You don't use a high draft pick on a position where you are 2 deep to start with. Why would Dallas waste a pick on one of the strongest position we have on the team when other area are in critical need of an upgrade. Sorry Miller makes no sense for the Cowboys. And your not looking for depth with a 1st rd pick
Duane
04-08-2005, 09:55 AM
I think the Lions take Miller at #10 anyway so it's a moot point.
Charles
04-08-2005, 09:58 AM
You don't use a high draft pick on a position where you are 2 deep to start with.
Really!!! Who made up that rule?
I suggest you take a look at most of successful drafting organizations in the NFL over the past 5-7 seasons you'll be surprised.
Why would Dallas waste a pick on one of the strongest position we have on the team when other area are in critical need of an upgrade. Sorry Miller makes no sense for the Cowboys.
Why? If there aren't any collegiate prospects in a position of need that rate higher than TE.
Why draft a lesser player (Ellis, Ekuban, Carver, Pittman, LaFleur, Carter, Dixon) just because its a position of need?
Drafting the best player increases the chances of having a good NFL player.
And your not looking for depth with a 1st rd pick
I suggest you do some research, because this is a common practice in the NFL. Good organizations don't think about DEPTH they draft the best player to fulfill ROLES. If an organization believes that a prospect can fulfill a role better than a player on the roster then they draft or sign the player. If Miller lives up to his blue chip billing, he'd make Dan Campbell free agent next season.
I think the Lions take Miller at #10 anyway so it's a moot point.
I think he would be a fit there. I just dont see the skins taking him at 9 when they have other needs
Really!!! Who made up that rule?
I suggest you take a look at most of successful drafting organizations in the NFL over the past 5-7 seasons you'll be surprised.
Why? If there aren't any collegiate prospects in a position of need that rate higher than TE.
Why draft a lesser player (Ellis, Ekuban, Carver, Pittman, LaFleur, Carter, Dixon) just because its a position of need?
Drafting the best player increases the chances of having a good NFL player.
I suggest you do some research, because this is a common practice in the NFL. Good organizations don't think about DEPTH they draft the best player to fulfill ROLES. If an organization believes that a prospect can fulfill a role better than a player on the roster then they draft or sign the player. If Miller lives up to his blue chip billing, he'd make Dan Campbell free agent next season.
Are you representing Heath this year or what? :D
Doomsday101
04-08-2005, 10:06 AM
Really!!! Who made up that rule?
I suggest you take a look at most of successful drafting organizations in the NFL over the past 5-7 seasons you'll be surprised.
Why? If there aren't any collegiate prospects in a position of need that rate higher than TE.
Why draft a lesser player (Ellis, Ekuban, Carver, Pittman, LaFleur, Carter, Dixon) just because its a position of need?
Drafting the best player increases the chances of having a good NFL player.
I suggest you do some research, because this is a common practice in the NFL. Good organizations don't think about DEPTH they draft the best player to fulfill ROLES. If an organization believes that a prospect can fulfill a role better than a player on the roster then they draft or sign the player. If Miller lives up to his blue chip billing, he'd make Dan Campbell free agent next season.
Care to make a friendly wager? Dallas is not going to take a TE that would be stupid to waste a pick on a position where we have excelled. We currently have a Pro Bowl TE entering only his 3rd year and another TE who is still in the prime of his career in Campbell. Dallas is not taking TE in day 1 and I'm willing to backup this prediction
NicholasD
04-08-2005, 10:16 AM
That draft looks fine, but if they are both still around at 20 I'd rather have Williamson than Clayton.
Charles
04-08-2005, 10:23 AM
Are you representing Heath this year or what? :D
I wish :)
Charles
04-08-2005, 10:37 AM
Care to make a friendly wager? Dallas is not going to take a TE that would be stupid to waste a pick on a position where we have excelled.
Nice to know your opinion.
Patriots and Eagles. 2 NFL teams that have waste picks on positions where they have excelled.
Do some research bro.........
We currently have a Pro Bowl TE entering only his 3rd year and another TE who is still in the prime of his career in Campbell.
A 29 year old one dimensional (blocking TE) coming off a season ending foot injury after 6 years in the league is considered in the Prime of his career.
Dude we can't be watching the same Football League ;)
Dallas is not taking TE in day 1 and I'm willing to backup this prediction
Thats cool. Hopefully you are not naive enough to think the Cowboys won't draft a TE on day 1 because of your opinion.
The Cowboys won't draft a TE day one if their board doesn't dictate so.
I am under no illusions they'll draft one because of my opinion. I hope they draft Heath Miller. I disagree with those that believe you can't draft a prospect because you already have good players on the team at that position. I disagree because history has shown that successful teams have done so even before the team was successful.
It's the reason good teams have quality depth. Its the reason why teams bring in talented role players like L J Smith and Watson of the bench. Its the reason the Patriots could draft Wolfork when they have guys like Seymour, Warren and Keith Traylor on the roster.
Doomsday101
04-08-2005, 10:43 AM
Nice to know your opinion.
Patriots and Eagles. 2 NFL teams that have waste picks on positions where they have excelled.
Do some research bro.........
A 29 year old one dimensional (blocking TE) coming off a season ending foot injury after 6 years in the league is considered in the Prime of his career.
Dude we can't be watching the same Football League ;)
Thats cool. Hopefully you are not naive enough to think the Cowboys won't draft a TE on day 1 because of your opinion.
The Cowboys won't draft a TE day one if their board doesn't dictate so.
I am under no illusions they'll draft one because of my opinion. I hope they draft Heath Miller. I disagree with those that believe you can't draft a prospect because you already have good players on the team at that position. I disagree because history has shown that successful teams have done so even before the team successful.
Your entitled to your opinion mine is Dallas is not going to draft Miller in the 1st rd of the draft, not when other players who are rated higher than Miller that actually fit a need for the team are still on the board. Sorry but I think this is a homer pick evidently you follow this team and have a higher opinion of Miller than many others who have him going late in the 1st rd.
Charles
04-08-2005, 10:58 AM
Your entitled to your opinion mine is Dallas is not going to draft Miller in the 1st rd of the draft, not when other players who are rated higher than Miller that actually fit a need for the team are still on the board.
Where exactly in my post or in the past have I disagreed with this statement. I totally agree. If the Cowboys have prospects in position of need rated higher than Miller then by all means we should draft that player.
My disagreement is with those people who think you can't draft the best player available (of course excluding QB) because the drafting team already "excells" at that position e.g. If Miller is the best player available, the presence of Witten and especially Campbell, Robinson and Ryan shouldn't stop the Cowboys from drafting Miller.
Sorry but I think this is a homer pick evidently you follow this team and have a higher opinion of Miller than many others who have him going late in the 1st rd.
Actually I don't follow the Hokies. I went to my 1st Hokies game last year. I thought Miller was a Witten clone. I saw the presence of Al Groh (Parcells connection) and thought hhmmmm, Parcells love TEs...Campbell isn't getting any younger and is coming off season ending foot injury, he's one dimensional and Witten's 3rd RD Contract can't hold the Cowboys hostage.
Prior to the combine, when only game play influenced the rankings Heath Miller was never ranked lower than the 10th best OVERALL collegiate player. I could careless about underwear olympics.
Other people also had Roy Williams going in the mid to late 1st RD because he was a Safety. There aren't 2 better football players from the 2002 draft. So suddenly Miller drops to the late 1st RD because he's a TE and didn't go to the underwear olympics :eek:
Doesn't seem logical to me.
Doomsday101
04-08-2005, 11:04 AM
Where exactly in my post or in the past have I disagreed with this statement. I totally agree. If the Cowboys have prospects in position of need rated higher than Miller then by all means we should draft that player.
My disagreement is with those people who think you can't draft the best player available (of course excluding QB) because the drafting team already "excells" at that position e.g. If Miller is the best player available, the presence of Witten and especially Campbell, Robinson and Ryan shouldn't stop the Cowboys from drafting Miller.
Actually I don't follow the Hokies. I went to my 1st Hokies game last year. I thought Miller was a Witten clone. I saw the presence of Al Groh (Parcells connection) and thought hhmmmm, Parcells love TEs...Campbell isn't getting nay younger an dis coming off season ending foot injury, he's one dimensional and Witten's 3rd RD Contract can't hold the Cowboys hostage.
Prior to the combine, when only game play influenced the rankings Heath Miller was never ranked lower than the 10th best OVERALL collegiate player. I could careless about underwear olympics.
Other people also had Roy Williams going in the mid to late 1st RD because he was a Safety. There aren't 2 better football players from the 2002 draft. So suddenly Miller drops to the late 1st RD because he's a TE and didn't go to the underwear olympics :eek:
Doesn't seem logical to me.
We clearly see this differently I don't think Dallas is looking to add a high draft pick for a 3rd TE on this team. I'll leave it at that.
Charles
04-08-2005, 11:07 AM
We clearly see this differently I don't think Dallas is looking to add a high draft pick for a 3rd TE on this team. I'll leave it at that.
Thats cool bro.
If we agreed on most topics this forum would be a boring place. :)
Hollywood Henderson
04-08-2005, 11:07 AM
I agree Dooms, Not a snowballs chance in Hell we take Miller...
Fine player though...
Doomsday101
04-08-2005, 11:11 AM
I agree Dooms, Not a snowballs chance in Hell we take Miller...
Fine player though...
I agree, I'm not going to knock the kid just because I don't think we should draft him. If Dallas were in need of a TE I would be more than happy to take him with the 20th pick (Most mock draft I have seen show him going at 26 to the Jets or to the Steelers at 30) I personally agree and think that he will be selected late 1st rd.
Charles
04-08-2005, 11:16 AM
I agree, I'm not going to knock the kid just because I don't think we should draft him. If Dallas were in need of a TE I would be more than happy to take him with the 20th pick (Most mock draft I have seen show him going at 26 to the Jets or to the Steelers at 30) I personally agree and think that he will be selected late 1st rd.
That comes as no surprise because most MOCK drafts are created based on team needs NOT best player available.
It also comes as no surprise that 99% of the mock drafts are 90% wrong after draft weekend :confused:
Doomsday101
04-08-2005, 11:22 AM
That comes as no surprise because most MOCK drafts are created based on team needs NOT best player available.
It also comes as no surprise that 99% of the mock drafts are 90% wrong after draft weekend :confused:
I did not say they were correct but I still agree with where he is being slated by most mock drafts and that is late 1st rd. Teams do look at Need just as well in the draft as they do BPA.
Charles
04-08-2005, 11:29 AM
I did not say they were correct but I still agree with where he is being slated by most mock drafts and that is late 1st rd. Teams do look at Need just as well in the draft as they do BPA.
You agree with most mock drafts even though most have historically proven to be wrong :D
Doomsday101
04-08-2005, 11:32 AM
You agree with most mock drafts even though most have historically proven to be wrong :D
I did not say I agreed with most mock draft I said I agree where most mock drafts have miller going in this draft.
Charles
04-08-2005, 11:36 AM
I did not say I agreed with most mock draft I said I agree where most mock drafts have miller going in this draft.
Mock drafts = Former Iraq Minister of Defense ;)
Everyone knows they (he) had no clue but still payed attention :D
blindzebra
04-08-2005, 01:59 PM
Really!!! Who made up that rule?
I suggest you take a look at most of successful drafting organizations in the NFL over the past 5-7 seasons you'll be surprised.
Why? If there aren't any collegiate prospects in a position of need that rate higher than TE.
Why draft a lesser player (Ellis, Ekuban, Carver, Pittman, LaFleur, Carter, Dixon) just because its a position of need?
Drafting the best player increases the chances of having a good NFL player.
I suggest you do some research, because this is a common practice in the NFL. Good organizations don't think about DEPTH they draft the best player to fulfill ROLES. If an organization believes that a prospect can fulfill a role better than a player on the roster then they draft or sign the player. If Miller lives up to his blue chip billing, he'd make Dan Campbell free agent next season.
Total BS.
When did NE and Philly draft these multiple players? Was it when they were a 6-10 team with multiple holes?
Nope, it was when they did not have major holes, so they COULD load up.
Also in NE's case, they did not...and still don't...have a TE of Witten's ability.
When Philly drafted multiple CBs they had serious money tied up in old corners who...SURPRISE...became cap cuts a year or so later.
All teams draft for need, the key is NOT REACHING FOR NEED.
The only way we draft Miller is if he fell to us in the 3rd or later. We won't take him in the first or second. If he's there when we pick at #20 or #42 we are listening to trade offers, but we are not gonna draft a TE that high with holes at DE, OLB, FS, RB, WR, OT, DL depth, and back up center.
Both teams became contenders via great drafting.
They were able to accumulate better talent right on down their draft board. Bellicheck was 5-11 his first season with Pats. Eagles started from the Skids as well.
Draft BPA - or you end up with a decade of need players that are not as good as the rest of the league.
If you have a top 5 CB or a top 10 TE on the board but your DIRE need is DE - AT # 20 You don't JUST draft best DE that is #25 on boards......over the top 10 talent.
Players that could be Cowboys but are overlooked:
Thomas Davis
Barron
Heath Miller
You never really know with Parcells....
blindzebra
04-08-2005, 02:20 PM
Both teams became contenders via great drafting.
They were able to accumulate better talent right on down their draft board. Bellicheck was 5-11 his first season with Pats. Eagles started from the Skids as well.
Draft BPA - or you end up with a decade of need players that are not as good as the rest of the league.
If you have a top 5 CB or a top 10 TE on the board but your DIRE need is DE - AT # 20 You don't JUST draft best DE that is #25 on boards......over the top 10 talent.
Players that could be Cowboys but are overlooked:
Thomas Davis
Barron
Heath Miller
You never really know with Parcells....
So at #7 Minnesota should draft a QB, Hell so should INDY, I bet the Eagles and Patriots are just praying for Smith or Rodgers to fall to them so that they can draft a QB too.
Nors, you complain about bad drafting, yet you are suggesting that we draft a TE early which would be the stupidest draft decision we would have made since Goodrich.:rolleyes:
Once again, every team drafts for NEED, the key is not REACHING for that need by drafting as close to BPA as you can or trading back for value.
The teams being held up drafted smart, accumulated multiple picks, and then used them wisely.
BrAinPaiNt
04-08-2005, 02:31 PM
So at #7 Minnesota should draft a QB, Hell so should INDY, I bet the Eagles and Patriots are just praying for Smith or Rodgers to fall to them so that they can draft a QB too.
Nors, you complain about bad drafting, yet you are suggesting that we draft a TE early which would be the stupidest draft decision we would have made since Goodrich.:rolleyes:
Once again, every team drafts for NEED, the key is not REACHING for that need by drafting as close to BPA as you can or trading back for value.
The teams being held up drafted smart, accumulated multiple picks, and then used them wisely.
I agree with you in no need to waste a top pick on a strength on your team (in this case TE).
However a couple years back people were laughing at Philly for taking two CBs with their first three picks because they needed playmakers at WR and already had two pro-bowl CBs on the roster.
But when they got rid of those two vet CBs on their roster a year later, they now had two experienced and good CBs to take over.
They could do this of course because they were a good team but still the idea remained that they really needed a playmaker at WR and did not take one, but instead took two CBs.
It is different for each team.
My personal opinion is you mix a little of both ideas.
If there is a great player there but you have your best strength at that position then try to trade down a tad, if there is another player of a position that you do need and is only rated just a tad below then take the need player.
However if you can not trade down, and no other players are close to this guys ability then sometimes you take that player.
MichaelWinicki
04-08-2005, 03:11 PM
Total BS.
When did NE and Philly draft these multiple players? Was it when they were a 6-10 team with multiple holes?
Nope, it was when they did not have major holes, so they COULD load up.
Also in NE's case, they did not...and still don't...have a TE of Witten's ability.
When Philly drafted multiple CBs they had serious money tied up in old corners who...SURPRISE...became cap cuts a year or so later.
All teams draft for need, the key is NOT REACHING FOR NEED.
The only way we draft Miller is if he fell to us in the 3rd or later. We won't take him in the first or second. If he's there when we pick at #20 or #42 we are listening to trade offers, but we are not gonna draft a TE that high with holes at DE, OLB, FS, RB, WR, OT, DL depth, and back up center.
Well said Z.
If we drafted a TE in the first round I'd snap.
MichaelWinicki
04-08-2005, 03:12 PM
I agree with you in no need to waste a top pick on a strength on your team (in this case TE).
However a couple years back people were laughing at Philly for taking two CBs with their first three picks because they needed playmakers at WR and already had two pro-bowl CBs on the roster.
But when they got rid of those two vet CBs on their roster a year later, they now had two experienced and good CBs to take over.
They could do this of course because they were a good team but still the idea remained that they really needed a playmaker at WR and did not take one, but instead took two CBs.
It is different for each team.
My personal opinion is you mix a little of both ideas.
If there is a great player there but you have your best strength at that position then try to trade down a tad, if there is another player of a position that you do need and is only rated just a tad below then take the need player.
However if you can not trade down, and no other players are close to this guys ability then sometimes you take that player.
True Brain, but the Eagles knew that Vincent was in his 50's so at least one CB was necessary.
Charles
04-08-2005, 04:28 PM
Total BS.
Also in NE's case, they did not...and still don't...have a TE of Witten's ability.
Thats a joke.
Watson and Graham aren't asked to do the same things Witten does in our system.
No one knows how well Witten would fair in another system that doesn't feature the TE as much. Parcells goes way back in featuring the TE.
All teams draft for need, the key is NOT REACHING FOR NEED.
So if all teams draft for need Why are 99% of the mock drafts 90% wrong. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize what a team needs. Why are the experts constantly wrong, even after they have the luxury of compiling mocks after cuts, trades, free agent signings etc
Teams that pigeon hole themselves into drafting for need are doomed to fail.
Doomsday101
04-08-2005, 04:39 PM
Thats a joke.
Watson and Graham aren't asked to do the same things Witten does in our system.
No one knows how well Witten would fair in another system that doesn't feature the TE as much. Parcells goes way back in featuring the TE.
So if all teams draft for need Why are 99% of the mock drafts 90% wrong. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize what a team needs. Why are the experts constantly wrong, even after they have the luxury of compiling mocks after cuts, trades, free agent signings etc
Teams that pigeon hole themselves into drafting for need are doomed to fail.
No is saying draft only for need but yes you draft the BPA that fits a need. Teams do not win by stock piling 1 position and letting the other position of need go to the way side.
blindzebra
04-08-2005, 04:55 PM
Thats a joke.
Watson and Graham aren't asked to do the same things Witten does in our system.
No one knows how well Witten would fair in another system that doesn't feature the TE as much. Parcells goes way back in featuring the TE.
So if all teams draft for need Why are 99% of the mock drafts 90% wrong. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize what a team needs. Why are the experts constantly wrong, even after they have the luxury of compiling mocks after cuts, trades, free agent signings etc
Teams that pigeon hole themselves into drafting for need are doomed to fail.
Care to back up that 99%/90% claim. You are grasping for straws because your argument is flawed.
Super Bowl teams can do things 6-10 teams cannot.
Once again ALL TEAMS DRAFT FOR NEED!
Draft best talent available - its that simple
blindzebra
04-08-2005, 05:51 PM
Draft best talent available - its that simple
You like simple?
One question, all hypothetical.
You are the Vikings and you are there at #7 and your board has 1. Alex Smith, 2. Cedric Benson, and 3. Mike Williams and all of them are there, who are you drafting?
Native Born Fan
04-08-2005, 08:35 PM
You don't use a high draft pick on a position where you are 2 deep to start with. Why would Dallas waste a pick on one of the strongest position we have on the team when other area are in critical need of an upgrade. Sorry Miller makes no sense for the Cowboys. And your not looking for depth with a 1st rd pick
Exactly. This whole argument is ridiculous.
Native Born Fan
04-08-2005, 08:37 PM
I've been propping Heath Miller as a potential cowboy all along. Hoping his groin surgery drops him to #42, but I have him #21 overall on my board. I can see a scenario where Parcells may go get him at #20.
Nors!!! Get off the Heath Miller obsession please.
VACowboy
04-08-2005, 08:59 PM
Actually I don't follow the Hokies. I went to my 1st Hokies game last year. I thought Miller was a Witten clone. I saw the presence of Al Groh (Parcells connection) and thought hhmmmm, Parcells love TEs...Campbell isn't getting any younger and is coming off season ending foot injury, he's one dimensional and Witten's 3rd RD Contract can't hold the Cowboys hostage.
Uhm, Heath Miller plays for the Virginia Cavaliers, not the Virginia Tech Hokies. If you went to a "Hokie" game and they weren't playing Virginia, you didn't see Groh on the sideline or Miller on the field.
Avery
04-08-2005, 09:23 PM
I like Miller, fine player, if he's there at #42, I take him based on BPA. He would be worth the price at that point.
However, he's not someone I draft in the 1st round. He may not be the BPA at #11 OR #20 on our board.
As far as depth goes, say Witten and Campbell go down and Miller can step up.
But what do we do when Kenyon Coleman (our projected starter) and Under Armour man go down? Who plays for them? What about our LB's? Shanle, Fowler and Thornton do not strike the fear of God into me.
I agree that we shouldn't draft for need or you reach, but their is a fine line between need and BPA that needs to be toed. In this case, I believe it's imperative to find some defensive players who are not NFL castoffs starting for us in premier roles.
Fletch
04-08-2005, 09:35 PM
I'd piss my pants if we somehow, someway kept both first round picks where they are, and took Shawne Merriman and Mark Clayton in the first round. With that being said, the Cowboys will wheel and deal, trade down and somehow end up with more picks.
DWAREZ
04-09-2005, 12:40 AM
Yep...more picks :)
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