Mickey and Norm talking Cowboys Draft...

[InmanRoshi]

Norm: With the draft just 15 days away, unless there is an unexpected slider, it seems the field is narrowing down to Shawne Merriman and Demarcus Ware at #11. Would you agree with that?

Mickey: Yeah, those two guys would fit what they seem to be looking for. Guys who put pressure on the QB in either a defensive end or a linebacker. I think those are two names you can definitely put a big circle around.

Norm: For those unaware with Ware, he’s got real speed off the edge.

Mickey: And he’s got arms that go forever. I saw him at the Senior Bowl and he was pretty much unblockable. Along with a guy from Cincinatti, watch out for him (I think he’s talking about Trent Cole)

I think right now that edge rusher seems to be the consensus with the first pick. Who knows what they’ll do with the 2nd pick. Everyone has them going with the defensive player at #11 and then taking a WR with the other 1st round pick. But the more I listen to things around here, it could be a linebacker or an offensive tackle. They are still concerned about right tackle.

Norm: So, basically at tackle with the 20th you hear the names Alex Barron and Kaliff Barnes.

Mickey: And …

Norm: And Jamal Brown seems to be the consensus 3rd guy behind the other two.

Mickey: Okay, so maybe you trade down to 28 or 27 and pick up your 3rd round and look at Brown.

Norm: If you think he’s worth a first round grade.

Mickey: Right, Bill always likes size. I see a lot of people projecting Clayton to the Cowboys, but he has slot WR size. I’m not taking a slot WR with a 1st round pick. I want a Michael Irvin with a first round pick.

Norm: So if you were sitting at #11 and Michael Williams slide out of the Top 10 …..

Mickey: Take him. I don’t know if they would, but wouldn’t you?

Norm: I would.

Mickey: I'm sure they've studied film on him. That could very well happen. Nobody knows what will go on with the first 10 picks this year.

[Portland Fanatic]

I like Ware behind MErriman, but at #11...holy crap :eek:


I think #20 is a stretch.

[dbair1967]

I like Ware behind MErriman, but at #11...holy crap :eek:


I think #20 is a stretch.

Ware has alot of upside, I just wonder how much contribution he's really gonna make his 1st yr in the league...I dont think he'll fall to 20 though

Merriman isnt my first choice either....I wont cry if we take him at 11, but he worries me

David

[WoodysGirl]

Good recap, IR.

I find that interesting that OL is back on the radar for the first day, let alone the first round. Thought they weren't going to address the RT position; just go with what they had.

And I completely agree with this...
Mickey: Right, Bill always likes size. I see a lot of people projecting Clayton to the Cowboys, but he has slot WR size. I’m not taking a slot WR with a 1st round pick. I want a Michael Irvin with a first round pick.

[dbair1967]

Good recap, IR.

I find that interesting that OL is back on the radar for the first day, let alone the first round. Thought they weren't going to address the RT position; just go with what they had.

And I completely agree with this...

when was the last time the Mick was right, or had any real incite into anything at VR?

I take what he has to say with a grain of salt now

David

[LA=Pancakemaker]

I wonder why they didnt mention Roth, at the Senior Bowl he was unstoppable too?

These 2 guys get there info from mock drafts & garbage bags

[WoodysGirl]

when was the last time the Mick was right, or had any real incite into anything at VR?

I take what he has to say with a grain of salt now

David

It's not about whether he's right or wrong, but since he does actually walk around VR occasionally, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

But if it makes you feel any better, I'll just clarify by saying it was off my radar. So that's why I find it interesting that he's written and/or mentioned in the last few days that the idea of drafting an OL in the first round should not be discounted.

[Rush 2112]

when was the last time the Mick was right, or had any real incite into anything at VR?

I take what he has to say with a grain of salt now

David

You mean besides nailing the Julius Jones pick last year?

[Charles]

Based on the mediots knowledge (or lackthereof) of the cowboys draft in the past I ready to go out on a limb and state that the Cowboys won't draft Shawne Merriman even if he's there when they pick at the 11th.

[conner01]

i think if merriman is there at 11 they take him,if they go with ware i think they will trade down first and get another 2nd.you can still get ware and the 2nd but i sure hope they don't go ot at 20.too high in a draft with alot of ot prospects and we need an impact wr and you don't likley get that later

[Woods]

Based on the mediots knowledge (or lackthereof) of the cowboys draft in the past I ready to go out on a limb and state that the Cowboys won't draft Shawne Merriman even if he's there when they pick at the 11th.

I agree with you . . . . It's just too "obvious" a pick at this stage by all the mock experts/pundits, guys in the "know" at Valley Ranch, etc.

I think BP holds his cards too close to his vest.

[MrPhil]

Good recap, IR.

I find that interesting that OL is back on the radar for the first day, let alone the first round. Thought they weren't going to address the RT position; just go with what they had.

And I completely agree with this...

Whether or not they actually take a OT in the 1st, it is refreshing to me that they would at least consider it.

For my part, if one of the OTs could reasonably be determined to be the BPA at either of our first picks, I wouldn't be upset if they pulled the trigger. Our line isn't getting any younger.

[dbair1967]

You mean besides nailing the Julius Jones pick last year?

dont remember him "nailing" the JJ pick, just remember him saying that Parcells liked him...he didnt exactly go out on a limb or anything

David

[bbgun]

, Ware at 11 seems a tad high. They obviously don't think he'll be there at 20.

[Duane]

I trust Bill 100% with LBs. So if he has Ware that high you have to respect that. It just seems too early from everything I've read. As for the 2nd pick I could really live with Brown in the late first.

[Portland Fanatic]

, Ware at 11 seems a tad high. They obviously don't think he'll be there at 20.

If Ware is the target...let's hope for a trade down to 15-16 and get a 3rd.

[CoCo1]

I still consider the predictability of what the Cowboys will do on this upcoming draft day VERY low.

Shoot, the predictability of who will be available is very low. Combine that with our lack of awareness as to what Dallas board actually looks like and all you are left with is speculation on our part as to which of our needs they see as the highest priority.

** guess I am just feeling BOLD today! :D

[WoodysGirl]

I still consider the predictability of what the Cowboys will do on this upcoming draft day VERY low.

Shoot, the predictability of who will be available is very low. Combine that with our lack of awareness as to what Dallas board actually looks like and all you are left with is speculation on our part as to which of our needs they see as the highest priority.

** guess I am just feeling BOLD today! :D

You really went out on a limb there. :cool:
I really like the way you took the bull by the horns and stated your opinion....:p:

[CoCo1]

You really went out on a limb there. :cool:
I really like the way you took the bull by the horns and stated your opinion....:p:

I figured I would make up for lack of content boldness by utilizing the bold font instead. :rolleyes:

[TheSkaven]

I'm just not sure what these guys see in Merriman. Let's hope it's just a smoke screen. I've seen the kid play and I'm unimpressed. He's just not a blue chip player, of the two, I'd much rather have Ware.

[Hollywood Henderson]

I think if they have Merriman or Ware listed as the best pass rushers in the draft, then even at #11 its great VALUE!

Just think how much that would impact our D..TEAM?

(If Parcells takes over on D from the clueless wonder WUSS)
zimmy would probally waste ethers talents in a drop back passive zone... :rolleyes:

[LeonDixson]

I trust Bill 100% with LBs. So if he has Ware that high you have to respect that. It just seems too early from everything I've read. As for the 2nd pick I could really live with Brown in the late first.

Duane, I like your sig pic recommending Father Guido for pope. lol

I was going to suggest Cardinal Dominique Secola. However, word from the vatican is that he won't be elected because they know people would refer to him as Popesecola. (okay, everybody groan now)

[InmanRoshi]

You mean besides nailing the Julius Jones pick last year?

Yep, he predicted Jacob Rogers and Stephen Peterman too. if you listen to KTCK's coverage of the draft, Mickey typically knows who the Cowboys are going to pick while the Cowboys are on the clock. He's got sources, it just seems like he's a little afraid to spill the beans.

Norm has some little birdies around the Ranch as well.

[Canadian BoyzFan]

, Ware at 11 seems a tad high. They obviously don't think he'll be there at 20.


11 is too high. I am staying with my prediction that Dallas slides down into the mid-teens for an extra pick and take D. Ware, unless M. Williams is there at 11.

I have no problem with:
Ware+extra pick
Barnes at 20
Pool at 42

[blindzebra]

I think if they have Merriman or Ware listed as the best pass rushers in the draft, then even at #11 its great VALUE!

Just think how much that would impact our D..TEAM?

(If Parcells takes over on D from the clueless wonder WUSS)
zimmy would probally waste ethers talents in a drop back passive zone... :rolleyes:

A new low.

Before the combine nobody had a handle on Merriman but he showed up bigger and stayed fast, can you say Mamula?

Ware, until the last week or so, was projected as a mid 2nd round pick.

They are the best pass rushers in THIS draft, neither is a Peppers or Freeney and I don't want either of them at #11.

[InmanRoshi]

Trent Cole is an interesting name that isn't talked about much.

EADY FOR NEXT STEP
By DM BERK PUBLISHER
Date: Feb 16, 2005

It's hard to believe I've been watching Trent Cole play football for thirteen years. That's right, I said thirteen years and counting... As Trent prepares for the NFL Combine, he spoke with Bearcat Insider "One-on-One"

While most fans of Trent Cole have been following his career since he became a Bearcat, I've had the pleasure of seeing Trent develop from a Pee-Wee football player in Xenia, to a top-notch career as a UC Bearcat.

Over the years one thing has been consistent. Trent Cole will give you everything you want and more.

The early battles started between my brother Jeff Berk and Trent when both played on opposite teams in the Wee-Buc football program. Once Jeff moved to Huber Heights, the battles continued during their junior high and high school careers.

As Jeff headed off to West Virginia and Trent to Cincinnati they again saw their paths cross as the two teams battled during the 2002 and 2003 seasons. Each time no matter what the outcome, both players would meet on the field and talk about old times. Today they still talk. But now their conversations are about the future and hopes of a NFL career.

I asked Jeff if he would contact Trent to see if he would be interested in talking with Bearcat Insider. His answer was a quick yes. I want to thank Trent for taking time out of his busy schedule as he prepares for the upcoming NFL Combine and draft.

BCI: Trent how are things going?

TC: Good, very good.

BCI: What are you being told about your position in the draft?

TC: At this time I'm hearing that teams are looking at me in the second round, but I have also been told I could slip into the late first round.

BCI: Where are you now?

TC: I'm in Baltimore right now preparing for the combine.

BCI: What is your typical day like?

TC: I get up between 7 and 8 and eat breakfast. I then get to the workout facilities around 9 and we start doing our body work. We do a real long warm-up and then well get in some running technique. Around 2 we start doing some upper body work and then on certain days we will do some boxing, yoga or pool work. So we stay real busy all week long.

BCI: What are you hearing teams say are your strengths?

TC: They seem to like my strength, speed, awareness and quickness. I have lots of quickness. Plus the fact I could play two positions at the next level allows them to take a player that's versatile. Because of my strengths I'm able to stop the run and also rush the passer.

BCI: You played in the Senior Bowl, and teams like to take that time and talk with prospects. What was that like?

TC: It was a great experience for me. I talked with many teams and had the chance to speak with head coaches, general managers and even some owners.

BCI: Let's look at your UC experience. What was playing for Coach Dantonio like?

TC: It was great. He's a real players coach and a person with a lot of class.

BCI: What will you miss most about your days at UC?

TC: My teammates... We became a family and went through the battles and college lives together. So I would say that is what I'm going to miss most.

BCI: Is there a game that stands out in your mind?

TC: There are quite a few that do. But I would have the game I had three sacks against East Carolina is one that really sticks out.

BCI: What would you like to tell Bearcat fans?

TC: I would tell them I'm thankful to all of them for the support they gave us a team. And I hope they keep coming out to support the next group that's coming up. I had a great experience playing at UC, and things are only going to get better with the team going into the Big East. UC is a great school with great fans, I will miss that.

BCI: How are you coming along with your degree?

TC: I'm coming back in March to finish my degree.

BCI: Are there plans to have a big party on draft day?

TC: Yes, we'll have a big party back home.

BCI: Trent, I wish you the best and we'll be watching come draft day.

TC: Thank you.

I can't thank Trent enough for talking with Bearcat Insider. During our conversation he expressed how nice it was to see someone giving the football team great coverage. Trent and I agreed to speak again after the combine so Bearcat fans can hear how his experience is going.

http://cincinnati.scout.com/2/352728.html

[Qwickdraw]

I do have to agree with what was said about Clayton.
A lot of mocks have us taking him at 20 and alot of posters here hope we do.
I think the kid is a playmaker and a worthy 1st rounder but I dont think he fits into our team well (hes basically a #2 WR, we need a solid #1 WR) and I agree that I dont think BP will take such a small WR in the 1st round.

[InmanRoshi]

A new low.

Before the combine nobody had a handle on Merriman but he showed up bigger and stayed fast, can you say Mamula?

Ware, until the last week or so, was projected as a mid 2nd round pick.

They are the best pass rushers in THIS draft, neither is a Peppers or Freeney and I don't want either of them at #11.

Len Pasquerelli projected Merriman as a 1st round pick the day he declared.

And Freeney was projected as a 2nd round defensive end until he ran a 4.4 at the Combine.

[Qwickdraw]

How come no one seems to like Justin Tuck?

[jay cee]

Len Pasquerelli projected Merriman as a 1st round pick the day he declared.

And Freeney was projected as a 2nd round defensive end until he ran a 4.4 at the Combine.
I remember Dungy taking some criticism for drafting Freeney when he did. I don't remember what pick was used on Freeney, but I know some of the draft experts were saying Dungy should have traded down a few spots and then drafted him.

[dbair1967]

How come no one seems to like Justin Tuck?

I'd be open to taking him, but only in rd 2...dont want him in rd 1

David

[ABQCOWBOY]

How come no one seems to like Justin Tuck?

I don't think it's that people don't like Justin Tuck. I just think it's that people like Merriman, James, Ware and Pollack better. I actually really like Tuck as a situational pass rusher only. I love him at DE off the edge.

[DWAREZ]

Thanks For the Mickey and Norm exchange...my avatar says it all ;)

[blindzebra]

Len Pasquerelli projected Merriman as a 1st round pick the day he declared.

And Freeney was projected as a 2nd round defensive end until he ran a 4.4 at the Combine.

How many picks in the round? Big difference between a top 10 pick and getting picked somewhere in the first. Until the combine most had him as a late teens pick.

I'm talking ability not pre-draft projections, and neither Merriman or Ware can hold Freeney's jock.

[Sabu1]

Demarcus Ware is an interesting prospect. He must be really zooming up the draft charts right now. I don't think he'll get past Kansas City (with their obvious pass rush needs) and the 15th pick right now. You guys think Dallas should just stay put and take him at 11 knowing what you know about Ware right now? I'm just not sure.

[BrAinPaiNt]

A new low.

Before the combine nobody had a handle on Merriman but he showed up bigger and stayed fast, can you say Mamula?

Ware, until the last week or so, was projected as a mid 2nd round pick.

They are the best pass rushers in THIS draft, neither is a Peppers or Freeney and I don't want either of them at #11.


If I remember...Freeney was considered a bit of a rich by Indy when they drafted him...he turned out ok.

Now I have no clue how Merriman and Ware turn out, but I have a feeling the boys are indeed looking at Ware....just not sure if they are thinking about trading down to get him or not.

[InmanRoshi]

I remember Dungy taking some criticism for drafting Freeney when he did. I don't remember what pick was used on Freeney, but I know some of the draft experts were saying Dungy should have traded down a few spots and then drafted him.

Yep, and LaDanian Tomlinson was projected as a 2nd rounder in January until he lit up the Combine with a 4.38.

http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2001/0227/1113401.html


And Richard Seymour was a riser leading up to the draft after he ran a 4.8.

http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2001/0305/1130313.html

vs.

http://espn.go.com/melkiper/s/2001/0410/1170965.html


And nobody knew who Kevin Williams was before the Senior Bowl.

Overrated: Kevin Williams, Oklahoma State
A classic one-year wonder. His huge senior year was a major reason Oklahoma State was able to put an end to its five-year bowl drought, but it required an explosion between his junior and senior years and doesn't guarantee he's going to be able to dominate at the next level the way a mid-first round pick should. Kind of reminds me of the aforementioned Gerard Warren.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/news/2003/04/23/over_under/

(Actually, that whole article is pretty funny. Some journalist mocking scouts and personnel departments for caring too much about Combine numbers instead of college production. 2 years later, the only player on his "Underrated" list who is starting for their team is Leftwhich, who was hardly undervalued as a Top 10 pick. Meanwhile, a couple of his "overrated" players have already established themselves as elite caliber players ... I guess I shouldn't hold my breath for the "Okay, I was wrong, you guys were right" followup)


... but, for some strange reason, all of those examples are forgotten ... and all we have is "Mike Mamula, Mike Mamula, Mike Mamula" over and over and over again. You would think if "workout warriors" were that prevelant we'd have more arsenal than a decade old reference.

Can I use Danny Noonan as example of why you don't take over-achieving, athletically limited, college dominators with Top 10 picks?

[Hostile]

Mickey: Right, Bill always likes size. I see a lot of people projecting Clayton to the Cowboys, but he has slot WR size. I’m not taking a slot WR with a 1st round pick. I want a Michael Irvin with a first round pick.

Norm: So if you were sitting at #11 and Michael Williams slide out of the Top 10 …..

Mickey: Take him. I don’t know if they would, but wouldn’t you?

Norm: I would.

Mickey: I'm sure they've studied film on him. That could very well happen. Nobody knows what will go on with the first 10 picks this year.Preach it Mickey and Norm.

I am so glad that someone in the media is comparing him to Michael Irvin, a legit #1 WR.

[VACowboy]

I think an OT in the first round would go a long way toward establishing the Dallas offense for now and for the future, much, much more so than any WR beyond Williams or Edwards.

It appears Barnes has jumped ahead of Brown, but I'd take whichever is there at #20. Brown is a true right tackle, a big, mean, physical mauler. He'll never play the left side, but he's a hell of a RT. Barnes is a little smaller but very athletic. IMHO, if it's Barnes, he plays LT and Flo moves to the right side. Flo played RT in college. He's fricking huge, speaking of mauling, and wouldn't have to deal as much with the speed rushers that kicked his *** last year.

Why so hep on a first-round OL? I think it's important that Bledsoe stand unmolested in the pocket, but more than that, I think creating holes to bust Julius into space will make every player on the Dallas offense better.

If I had my druthers, the draft would go like this (unless Mike Williams falls):

Trade #11 to KC for #15, their third and fifth-rounders. We get a little extra value out of the deal, but that's how it works when you trade down.

1> Demarcus Ware (DE/OLB)
1> Jammal Brown (OT)
2> Josh Bullocks (FS)
3> Dominique Foxworth (CB)
4> Anthony Bryant (DT)
5> Maurice Clarett (RB)
5> Zach Tuiasasopo (FB)
6> Tyler Jones (K)
6> CJ Brooks (OG)
7> David McMillan (OLB/DE)

[SuspectCorner]

I don't think it's that people don't like Justin Tuck. I just think it's that people like Merriman, James, Ware and Pollack better. I actually really like Tuck as a situational pass rusher only. I love him at DE off the edge.
IMO, tuck is JUST what the doctor ordered at #42. after we take the one "true" multi-dimensional, "pro ready", pro-size body, DEFENSIVE LINEMAN in this draft - MARCUS SPEARS, at #11... dallas will trade down to add a 3rd-rounder, or pick from the plethora of available O-linemen, WRs, and "tweener" LBs at #20.

[HeHateMe]

Ware wont make it out of the first round.

So if we dont nab him at 20, we arent getting him.

Best case scenario is a trade back, get another 2nd or more, and take him late in the first.

[big dog cowboy]

Ware wont make it out of the first round.

So if we dont nab him at 20, we arent getting him.

Best case scenario is a trade back, get another 2nd or more, and take him late in the first.
You know that might be closer to what actually happens than you think. If the cards fall just right.......

[Rack Bauer]

I'm talking ability not pre-draft projections, and neither Merriman or Ware can hold Freeney's jock.


Agree 100%.


If I remember...Freeney was considered a bit of a rich by Indy when they drafted him

I wouldn't say that. Teams were supposedly down on him cuz he is short. I guess they think short guys can't play football. If you can play, you can play. And there isn't a DE in this draft that can play as well as Freeney with the possible exception of David Pollack. The guy can just flat out play football. Don't show me measurables, show me production.


And nobody knew who Kevin Williams was before the Senior Bowl.


They most certainly did. I sure did, and I'm not OkSU fan either.

[jimmy40]

I'm just not sure what these guys see in Merriman. Let's hope it's just a smoke screen. I've seen the kid play and I'm unimpressed. He's just not a blue chip player, of the two, I'd much rather have Ware.You have to wonder about a guy that moves up to a top ten pick because he jumps 42" insted of 39". The NFL combine is great at producing busts.

[Hollywood Henderson]

BZ: Who knows how good Merriman or Ware will be?
You don't nor do I...

Many folks thought the Colts were out of their minds when they didn't pick "Lil Earl" vs Edge....

All I can say is if you have 2 very impressive, young, hungry players to go kill QB's that are rated at the top of their position...Our Defense just became something to FEAR...And that is something that hasn't been the case since Haley retired...

Lets not get into who can or cannot carry someones jock shall we?

[tyke1doe]

BZ: Who knows how good Merriman or Ware will be?
You don't nor do I...

Many folks thought the Colts were out of their minds when they didn't pick "Lil Earl" vs Edge....

All I can say is if you have 2 very impressive, young, hungry players to go kill QB's that are rated at the top of their position...Our Defense just became something to FEAR...And that is something that hasn't been the case since Haley retired...

Lets not get into who can or cannot carry someones jock shall we?


True dat.

I thought the Colts also would regret passing on Ricky Williams.

Nobody really knows. I think most of us fall in love with a player just because we're more familiar with their names and they just seem to "fit" our team.

[5mics]

Norm: With the draft just 15 days away, unless there is an unexpected slider, it seems the field is narrowing down to Shawne Merriman and Demarcus Ware at #11. Would you agree with that?

Mickey: Yeah, those two guys would fit what they seem to be looking for. Guys who put pressure on the QB in either a defensive end or a linebacker. I think those are two names you can definitely put a big circle around.

Norm: For those unaware with Ware, he’s got real speed off the edge.

Mickey: And he’s got arms that go forever. I saw him at the Senior Bowl and he was pretty much unblockable. Along with a guy from Cincinatti, watch out for him (I think he’s talking about Trent Cole)

I think right now that edge rusher seems to be the consensus with the first pick. Who knows what they’ll do with the 2nd pick. Everyone has them going with the defensive player at #11 and then taking a WR with the other 1st round pick. But the more I listen to things around here, it could be a linebacker or an offensive tackle. They are still concerned about right tackle.

Norm: So, basically at tackle with the 20th you hear the names Alex Barron and Kaliff Barnes.

Mickey: And …

Norm: And Jamal Brown seems to be the consensus 3rd guy behind the other two.

Mickey: Okay, so maybe you trade down to 28 or 27 and pick up your 3rd round and look at Brown.

Norm: If you think he’s worth a first round grade.

Mickey: Right, Bill always likes size. I see a lot of people projecting Clayton to the Cowboys, but he has slot WR size. I’m not taking a slot WR with a 1st round pick. I want a Michael Irvin with a first round pick.

Norm: So if you were sitting at #11 and Michael Williams slide out of the Top 10 …..

Mickey: Take him. I don’t know if they would, but wouldn’t you?

Norm: I would.

Mickey: I'm sure they've studied film on him. That could very well happen. Nobody knows what will go on with the first 10 picks this year.
:pray2: :pray2: :pray2: ......then take either Tuck, Roth, Pollack, or Blackstock w/ the 20th overall.....

[jay cee]

Yep, and LaDanian Tomlinson was projected as a 2nd rounder in January until he lit up the Combine with a 4.38.

And Richard Seymour was a riser leading up to the draft after he ran a 4.8.

And nobody knew who Kevin Williams was before the Senior Bowl.

(Actually, that whole article is pretty funny. Some journalist mocking scouts and personnel departments for caring too much about Combine numbers instead of college production. 2 years later, the only player on his "Underrated" list who is starting for their team is Leftwhich, who was hardly undervalued as a Top 10 pick. Meanwhile, a couple of his "overrated" players have already established themselves as elite caliber players ... I guess I shouldn't hold my breath for the "Okay, I was wrong, you guys were right" followup)


... but, for some strange reason, all of those examples are forgotten ... and all we have is "Mike Mamula, Mike Mamula, Mike Mamula" over and over and over again. You would think if "workout warriors" were that prevelant we'd have more arsenal than a decade old reference.

Can I use Danny Noonan as example of why you don't take over-achieving, athletically limited, college dominators with Top 10 picks?
Good points Inman, I had no idea Tomlinson was rated so low before the combine. I guess it was because he played in a small conference and they ran a kind of funky offense.

I don't blame the scouts for looking at measurables to help them determine how a player projects in the NFL. The draft is such a crapshoot that you need all the help you can get.

I'll need to look up Justin Gage and see where he went in the draft, and how he is doing. From what I saw in that excerpt about him, he reminds me a lot of Matt Jones. And I just don't see the point in taking projects like Matt Jones in the 2nd rd.

[InmanRoshi]

By the way, Ware had kind of a secret private workout in front of 7 teams (including Dallas) in which he reportedly ran as high as a 4.49.

[Woods]

By the way, Ware had kind of a secret private workout in front of 7 teams (including Dallas) in which he reportedly ran as high as a 4.49.

Also, not that it really matters, but I though Goss had Ware ranked in his top 15 picks this year, according to NFL types.

Was reading in one of the football draft mags that Ware also has a 430 lbs. bench press. If he truly ran a 4.49 at his weight, with his strength, that's truly amazing.

[Hiero]

Ware is the kind of guy id like to draft. a real speed rusher, because we already have a big sized de in Ellis, along with Ferguson to clog the middle. Not saying that i want to draft him, but if we get a DE i'd prefer it to be a speed guy.

[Hollywood Henderson]

Ware would give The Cowboys that "LT" type of player to come off the edge in a 3-4..(Not saying he is LT talent) just the size/speed QB killer type we would love to have!

[ddh33]

I would have no problem drafting Ware. In basketball, they say you can't teach size. You can't teach speed either. Ware has it.

And I've said several other places that Shaun Cody is very appealing to me. I'm afraid he won't make it to #20, but the guy looks like a great, versatile defensive lineman.