Manson Parole Hearing April 11

[Doomsday101]

A parole hearing is scheduled April 11 for Manson, who was initially sentenced to death for the 1969 slayings of actress Sharon Tate and six others by a group of his followers as part of what prosecutors said was an attempt to incite a race war. His death sentence was changed to life in prison after California's death penalty was overturned for a period during the 1970s.

Manson may choose not to attend the hearing. The last time he appeared at his parole hearing was 15 years ago. He has been denied parole 11 times.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/justice/california-charles-manson/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

[Cajuncowboy]

He will never breathe free air again. Nor should he.

[Doomsday101]

He will never breathe free air again. Nor should he.

Of course not. I'm surprised he is still breathing period. But then they take care of him in the prison system. Guy should have been worm bait a long time ago

[joseephuss]

You don't have to be a trained psychologist to realize that Manson is a stable, well rounded individual who has learned the error of his ways.

[Doomsday101]

You don't have to be a trained psychologist to realize that Manson is a stable, well rounded individual who has learned the error of his ways.

:laugh2: The man is still scheming where he can

Manson has not been a model inmate. A prosecutor who handled Manson's parole hearings told CNN in 2009 that Manson had a "laundry list of violations in prison."

In the past five years, Manson was punished for threatening a peace officer and for possession of a weapon, the latter happening in October when Manson was found with a sharpened pen, Thornton said.

Manson received notoriety when he was found to be in possession of a contraband cell phone — twice — the latest in January 2011. That incident is still under investigation. Prison officials said they tracked phone numbers in California, Oregon and Maine.

Save the tax payers money, 1 bullet between the eyes is much cheaper than over 40 years of housing and feeding him

[Cajuncowboy]

:laugh2: The man is still scheming where he can

Manson has not been a model inmate. A prosecutor who handled Manson's parole hearings told CNN in 2009 that Manson had a "laundry list of violations in prison."

In the past five years, Manson was punished for threatening a peace officer and for possession of a weapon, the latter happening in October when Manson was found with a sharpened pen, Thornton said.

Manson received notoriety when he was found to be in possession of a contraband cell phone — twice — the latest in January 2011. That incident is still under investigation. Prison officials said they tracked phone numbers in California, Oregon and Maine.

Save the tax payers money, 1 bullet between the eyes is much cheaper than over 40 years of housing and feeding him

Totally 100% agree. They should have done it when bullets weren't as expensive either.

[joseephuss]

Totally 100% agree. They should have done it when bullets weren't as expensive either.

Cost doesn't matter. There are plenty of people willing to donate a bullet to the cause.

[Doomsday101]

Cost doesn't matter. There are plenty of people willing to donate a bullet to the cause.

:laugh2:

I'll pitch in.

[Cajuncowboy]

Cost doesn't matter. There are plenty of people willing to donate a bullet to the cause.

You're right. I'm in.

[SaltwaterServr]

Save the tax payers money, 1 bullet between the eyes is much cheaper than over 40 years of housing and feeding him

.25 through the stomach. Let him face his mortality slow and painful.

[Doomsday101]

Sick part is the guy gets fan mail from many disturbed people.

[The30YardSlant]

You don't have to be a trained psychologist to realize that Manson is a stable, well rounded individual who has learned the error of his ways.

I see what you did there :laugh2:

That 1987 interview with him is simply one of the most amazing and terrifying looks into the human mind one could ever experience. The guy is off the wall nuts but in a way which makes it seem like he KNOWS how crazy he is and plays it up for an audience.

[zrinkill]

You guys are gonna make the posters who always defend this filth mad.

[Sam I Am]

Free Charles Manson! :laugh2:

[Hostile]

Futility is kind of funny sometimes.

[casmith07]

Futility is kind of funny sometimes.

It is. Almost as funny as the swastika poorly tattooed on his forehead.

[Yeagermeister]

They should save the tax payers money and just move him to Gen Pop like they did Dahmer. He wouldn't last a day.

[DFWJC]

How many 10s of millions have been wasted on this guy?
Should have been grilled 20 years ago.

[BraveHeartFan]

They should save the tax payers money and just move him to Gen Pop like they did Dahmer. He wouldn't last a day.


Forgive me for my ignorance on this as I'm not completely versed in all who were killed by Manson's people, but wouldn't he just be another murder to them?

I thought they got Dahmer like they did because some of his victims were still pretty young, like 17-19, and because he would eat parts of them?


Of course I'm pretty ignorant to what all criminals draw the line at in prison.

[Doomsday101]

Forgive me for my ignorance on this as I'm not completely versed in all who were killed by Manson's people, but wouldn't he just be another murder to them?

I thought they got Dahmer like they did because some of his victims were still pretty young, like 17-19, and because he would eat parts of them?


Of course I'm pretty ignorant to what all criminals draw the line at in prison.

I think much of it had to do with who the victims were people like Movie star Sharron Tate and coffee heirs Abigail Folgers. Also the brutal fashion they were killed in as well as the mind control Manson had over his so called family. Girls who most grew up in avg middle class homes were turned into killers. The whole thing just scared the people in Los Angeles. I agree we have seen worse today than what took place in 1969 but bizarre nature of this crime is still remembered by many today

[The30YardSlant]

Forgive me for my ignorance on this as I'm not completely versed in all who were killed by Manson's people, but wouldn't he just be another murder to them?

I thought they got Dahmer like they did because some of his victims were still pretty young, like 17-19, and because he would eat parts of them?


Of course I'm pretty ignorant to what all criminals draw the line at in prison.

Dahmer was beaten to death by a young black man (Christopher Scarver) because many of his victims were young black men.

The general prison population usually takes care of people who harm children and people who commit perceived hate crimes. Dahmer wasnt a racist, he was just bat **** insane but that really didnt matter in prison.

I don't think Manson would be in too much danger unless someone just wanted the noteriety of being the man who killed him.

[vta]

He'll probably be released and soon after offered his own reality show. :cool:

[CowboyMcCoy]

O, let me pull the lever.

[ajk23az]

How many 10s of millions have been wasted on this guy?
Should have been grilled 20 years ago.

Same with the other thousands that have been/are on death row. Juss' sayin...

[joseephuss]

How many 10s of millions have been wasted on this guy?
Should have been grilled 20 years ago.

Probably not in the 10 of millions.

Why 20 years ago? What was so special about 1992? Time is flying. Hard to believe that 20 years ago was the 1990s and Dallas was winning Superbowls. Twenty years before that is when California stopped executing people.

[Faerluna]

You guys are gonna make the posters who always defend this filth mad.

Who in the world would defend him?

[Yeagermeister]

Who in the world would defend him?

A lawyer....nuff said :laugh1:

[big dog cowboy]

The latest photos of notorious killer Charles Manson have been released by the California Department of Corrections, one week before his next parole hearing.

Sorry Charlie.


DENIED!

[DFWJC]

Probably not in the 10 of millions.

Why 20 years ago? What was so special about 1992? Time is flying. Hard to believe that 20 years ago was the 1990s and Dallas was winning Superbowls. Twenty years before that is when California stopped executing people.
Just assuming that he would last on death row for 20 years or so, like the guy before you said. But in this case, he has been under speacial supervison for something like 40 years now.

[Doomsday]

He was originally sentenced to death, now he is getting parole hearings. Only in California.

[Doomsday101]

He was originally sentenced to death, now he is getting parole hearings. Only in California.

It is his 15th Parole hearing. He will never get out alive

[CowboyWay]

Charlie don't surf.

[BraveHeartFan]

I think much of it had to do with who the victims were people like Movie star Sharron Tate and coffee heirs Abigail Folgers. Also the brutal fashion they were killed in as well as the mind control Manson had over his so called family. Girls who most grew up in avg middle class homes were turned into killers. The whole thing just scared the people in Los Angeles. I agree we have seen worse today than what took place in 1969 but bizarre nature of this crime is still remembered by many today

Dahmer was beaten to death by a young black man (Christopher Scarver) because many of his victims were young black men.

The general prison population usually takes care of people who harm children and people who commit perceived hate crimes. Dahmer wasnt a racist, he was just bat **** insane but that really didnt matter in prison.

I don't think Manson would be in too much danger unless someone just wanted the noteriety of being the man who killed him.


Thank you both for the extra information on the subject.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

You don't have to be a trained psychologist to realize that Manson is a stable, well rounded individual who has learned the error of his ways.

as he told Geraldo, he didn't kill nobody, he thinks it and it happens, and if he wanted to kill, there would be none of us left.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I see what you did there :laugh2:

That 1987 interview with him is simply one of the most amazing and terrifying looks into the human mind one could ever experience. The guy is off the wall nuts but in a way which makes it seem like he KNOWS how crazy he is and plays it up for an audience.

he gets off on it

[cowboy_ron]

You don't have to be a trained psychologist to realize that Manson is a stable, well rounded individual who has learned the error of his ways.
:lmao:

[tupperware]

VmIINogKIpc

[arglebargle]

Same with the other thousands that have been/are on death row. Juss' sayin...

Including all those folks pulled off death row with the new DNA evidence revelations. Just saying.....

[hipfake08]

You don't have to be a trained psychologist to realize that Manson is a stable, well rounded individual who has learned the error of his ways.

And he posts on the Extreme Skins boards.

[arglebargle]

It is his 15th Parole hearing. He will never get out alive

Manson gets a parole hearing because they are legally required to hold it. He could sprout angel wings and play the harp and they'd never let him out. And rightfully so.

[Doomsday101]

Manson gets a parole hearing because they are legally required to hold it. He could sprout angel wings and play the harp and they'd never let him out. And rightfully so.

I understand that same goes for Susan Atkins (passed away), Linda Kasabian, and Patricia Krenwinkel.

They were sentenced to death but because the death penalty was over turned in Cal. they got life and I think most expect they should serve for the remainder of their lives.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I understand that same goes for Susan Atkins (passed away), Linda Kasabian, and Patricia Krenwinkel.

They were sentenced to death but because the death penalty was over turned in Cal. they got life and I think most expect they should serve for the remainder of their lives.

I have more sympathy for the girls mostly because they were duped by Charlie and were not of sound mind.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

And he posts on the Extreme Skins boards.

or extremecowboyszone.com?

[Doomsday101]

I have more sympathy for the girls mostly because they were duped by Charlie and were not of sound mind.

I have none for them. By all rights they should have been put to death. We make choices in our lives they made their now pay for it.

[zrinkill]

I have more sympathy for the girls mostly because they were duped by Charlie and were not of sound mind.

:rolleyes:

Give me a break.

Tate begged for her child's life, pleading that the group abduct Tate and let her give birth before murdering her. Atkins testified that she replied to Tate, "Look, *****, I have no mercy for you. You and your baby are going to die and you'd better get used to it." Atkins and Watson then stabbed her to death.

[Doomsday101]

:rolleyes:

Give me a break.

I'm willing to make a compromise. When the people who run the cemetery give Parole to the victims then I'll support the parole of the Manson family

[zrinkill]

People like CanadianCowboysFan will say stuff like "it was the drugs that made them do it"


Yet they remained faithful to Manson throughout the trial and into the first few years of their incarcerations

Only when their death sentence was changed to life in prison and they had the chance of parole did they suddenly abandon Manson and decide to "change their lives" and look for forgiveness.

Its sickening.

[Doomsday101]

People like CanadianCowboysFan will say stuff like "it was the drugs that made them do it"


Yet they remained faithful to Manson throughout the trial and into the first few years of their incarcerations

Only when their death sentence was changed to life in prison and they had the chance of parole did they suddenly abandon Manson and decide to change their lives.

Its sickening.

Drug deal is a non starter with me. People talk about legalizing them and then make excuses for those who get high and kill someone. You had control when you choose to do drugs your actions afterward falls on the person.

[casmith07]

Drug deal is a non starter with me. People talk about legalizing them and then make excuses for those who get high and kill someone. You had control when you choose to do drugs your actions afterward falls on the person.

Unfortunately, the law disagrees in many states.

Some states don't excuse crime from involuntary incapacitation, but in many states, incapacitation, whether voluntary or involuntary, is an affirmative defense in lieu of guilt.

It generally doesn't result in an acquittal, mind you, but it can work as a mitigation defense and lessen a sentence.

[casmith07]

Who in the world would defend him?

Everyone is entitled to due process.

[Doomsday101]

Unfortunately, the law disagrees in many states.

Some states don't excuse crime from involuntary incapacitation, but in many states, incapacitation, whether voluntary or involuntary, is an affirmative defense in lieu of guilt.

It generally doesn't result in an acquittal, mind you, but it can work as a mitigation defense and lessen a sentence.

I fully understand that. I only voiced my opinion on it. I don't buy it as an excuse. We all have the options of not doing it so if you choose to do it then suffer the consequence of your own actions. Just the way I feel

[casmith07]

I fully understand that. I only voiced my opinion on it. I don't buy it as an excuse. We all have the options of not doing it so if you choose to do it then suffer the consequence of your own actions. Just the way I feel

Oh I don't buy it either. I don't think voluntary incapacitation should be a defense whatsoever. Just spitting a little knowledge for the board :D

[Doomsday101]

Oh I don't buy it either. I don't think voluntary incapacitation should be a defense whatsoever. Just spitting a little knowledge for the board :D

That's cool. I did not take it as you defending it but it is that way and it shouldn't be. Because a person can't control their own actions when they do drugs or drink should not be an excuse for lesser punishment. To me it starts with the 1st choice you made.

In the case of the Manson family I have no sympathy for them what so ever, even if drug's were a factor. Their victims begged for their lives and these people butchered them and made a mockery of the court while on trial. No remorse what so ever.

[casmith07]

That's cool. I did not take it as you defending it but it is that way and it shouldn't be. Because a person can't control their own actions when they do drugs or drink should not be an excuse for lesser punishment. To me it starts with the 1st choice you made.

In the case of the Manson family I have no sympathy for them what so ever, even if drug's were a factor. Their victims begged for their lives and these people butchered them and made a mockery of the court while on trial. No remorse what so ever.

Nope. This story really didn't even need to be posted. He's staying in prison until he croaks.

[Cajuncowboy]

I have more sympathy for the girls mostly because they were duped by Charlie and were not of sound mind.

WTH are you talking about? Even you can't be serious about that.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

:rolleyes:

Give me a break.

Tate begged for her child's life, pleading that the group abduct Tate and let her give birth before murdering her. Atkins testified that she replied to Tate, "Look, *****, I have no mercy for you. You and your baby are going to die and you'd better get used to it." Atkins and Watson then stabbed her to death.

do you understand what brainwashing is?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

WTH are you talking about? Even you can't be serious about that.

they have been in prison for over 40 years, they have done their time in my view, especially in the circumstances of how they were brainwashed, under influence of psychotic drugs etc

does keeping them in jail now really serve a purpose?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I have none for them. By all rights they should have been put to death. We make choices in our lives they made their now pay for it.

what if the choice wasn't voluntary?

[Cajuncowboy]

do you understand what brainwashing is?

Do you understand what making a choice is? They weren't brainwashed. They were a bunch of misfits and wannabe hippie drug addicts that wanted to make a name for themselves. And they chose Manson as their leader. Was Al Capone's henchmen brainwashed as well?

[Cajuncowboy]

they have been in prison for over 40 years, they have done their time in my view, especially in the circumstances of how they were brainwashed, under influence of psychotic drugs etc

does keeping them in jail now really serve a purpose?

They were supposed to be killed. They should have been. So now, they have life in prison. Life is LIFE. And yes, it does serve a purpose to keep them there. The families of the victims at least know they are locked up and not enjoying life that they denied to their loved ones.

[zrinkill]

do you understand what brainwashing is?

Funny how all that brainwashing went away as soon as they were eligible for parole.

[Doomsday101]

what if the choice wasn't voluntary?

What if it was? They made choices from join up with Manson to getting high and they killed in cold blood they tied these people up who begging for mercy and they got NONE, That is the same mercy I give the Mason family NONE!!!!

Hey Manson had a rough child hood his mother left him he spent most of his time in reform schools and Prisons maybe we should let him off as well. Hell with the victim’s right? I guess they deserved to die

[CanadianCowboysFan]

What if it was? They made choices from join up with Manson to getting high and they killed in cold blood they tied these people up who begging for mercy and they got NONE, That is the same mercy I give the Mason family NONE!!!!

Hey Manson had a rough child hood his mother left him he spent most of his time in reform schools and Prisons maybe we should let him off as well. Hell with the victim’s right? I guess they deserved to die

non sequitor

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Funny how all that brainwashing went away as soon as they were eligible for parole.

please, even you aren't that dumb to have that take

[Cajuncowboy]

Funny how all that brainwashing went away as soon as they were eligible for parole.

Brainwashed my ***. These people are the worst of society. Even after Manson went to jail, Squeaky Fromme tried to kill Ford. Doubt she was Brainwashed then. She just wanted to be "Someone".

These people should never draw a breath of free air again. Ever. And it is very hard and very disturbing to believe that people would advocate for it. I doubt they would hire any of these people to work with them or want to live next door to them.

[zrinkill]

please, even you aren't that dumb to have that take

Only dumb one here is the fake lawyer who believes the murderers who became magically reformed when they thought they had a chance to get out again.

[casmith07]

Only dumb one here is the fake lawyer who believes the murderers who became magically reformed when they thought they had a chance to get out again.

Depends. Homicide/murder has a bunch of different flavors.

What about the guy who kills a guy who raped his daughter? Is he forever a murderer who should never see light not shaded by bars and barbed wire ever again?

[zrinkill]

Depends. Homicide/murder has a bunch of different flavors.

What about the guy who kills a guy who raped his daughter? Is he forever a murderer who should never see light not shaded by bars and barbed wire ever again?

What are you talking about?

Why would you even make that comparison about what I said?

[Doomsday101]

non sequitor

Well when the dead are given parole so should their killers be paroled until then they have life in prison

[vta]

do you understand what brainwashing is?

It's when a person is duped into believing a savage murderer is somehow awarded a measure of victim status, granting him/her a level of sympathy, - a necessary human element that was entirely absent from said savage as he/she was plunging a knife into a pregnant woman's belly.

[Cajuncowboy]

Depends. Homicide/murder has a bunch of different flavors.

What about the guy who kills a guy who raped his daughter? Is he forever a murderer who should never see light not shaded by bars and barbed wire ever again?

That's not even close to what we are talking about in this thread. A father like that doesn't equal Charles Manson or his henchmen.

[zrinkill]

It's when a person is duped into believing a savage murderer is somehow awarded a measure of victim status, granting him/her a level of sympathy, entirely absent from said savage as he/she was plunging a knife into a pregnant woman's belly.

:bow: :bow: :bow:

[Cajuncowboy]

It's when a person is duped into believing a savage murderer is somehow awarded a measure of victim status, granting him/her a level of sympathy, a necessary element entirely absent from said savage as he/she was plunging a knife into a pregnant woman's belly.

Nicely done.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Only dumb one here is the fake lawyer who believes the murderers who became magically reformed when they thought they had a chance to get out again.

you know the world is not black and white as you believe it is, they killed, they have done their time, they are no longer a threat to society, they are old, what purpose is served by leaving them in jail when we all know the real culprit is Manson who took advantage of them, gave them drugs, amazing sex (apparently he had a real sexual hold over them) and turned them into monsters.

ask yourself, if they were soldiers acting on orders, would you want them to be in jail forever?

[casmith07]

What are you talking about?

Why would you even make that comparison about what I said?

All you said was "murderers."

If you said "serial killers" then you're right. I don't care how long they stay in prison, a serial killer will never be reformed. Ever.

[zrinkill]

they have done their time

No they have not ....... their original sentence was death ..... they have not yet served it.



ask yourself, if they were soldiers acting on orders, would you want them to be in jail forever?


This has got to be the dumbest thing I have seen on this board in a long time.

You are comparing serial killing child murderers to soldiers ...... pathetic.

If a group of soldiers butchered civies on orders .....I would want them to face the justice of a firing squad.

[casmith07]

CCF, I like you, I think you're fairly level-headed...but hang on just a second:

they are no longer a threat to society

That is almost assuredly not true, because they are serial killers/psychotic.

what purpose is served by leaving them in jail

Protecting the greater safety of society.


ask yourself, if they were soldiers acting on orders, would you want them to be in jail forever?


As a military man, yes. Everyone has a duty to disregard unlawful orders, and I think in basic morality, that duty extends to civilians as well to disregard requests for unlawful action.

There's a crime for that, it's called solicitation.

[zrinkill]

All you said was "murderers."

If you said "serial killers" then you're right. I don't care how long they stay in prison, a serial killer will never be reformed. Ever.

We were talking about specific people ....... not random killers.

I cannot believe you would think that of me.

[Doomsday101]

you know the world is not black and white as you believe it is, they killed, they have done their time, they are no longer a threat to society, they are old, what purpose is served by leaving them in jail when we all know the real culprit is Manson who took advantage of them, gave them drugs, amazing sex (apparently he had a real sexual hold over them) and turned them into monsters.

ask yourself, if they were soldiers acting on orders, would you want them to be in jail forever?

It is called punishment for their crime. They were given the death penalty the only reason they are alive is the death penalty was done away with in Cal in 1972 so all the sentence became life in prison. The mother of sharron tate continued to be at every hearing every year she was alive Sharron Tate sister now goes to every single hearing. Those victims were not given a chance yet the killers should be?

[CanadianCowboysFan]

It's when a person is duped into believing a savage murderer is somehow awarded a measure of victim status, granting him/her a level of sympathy, - a necessary human element that was entirely absent from said savage as he/she was plunging a knife into a pregnant woman's belly.

you people are focussing way too much on the fact Tate was pregnant, it was an aggravating factor but at the end of the day, not all that relevant to whether or not her killers have served an appropriate amount of time.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

It is called punishment for their crime. They were given the death penalty the only reason they are alive is the death penalty was done away with in Cal in 1972 so all the sentence became life in prison. The mother of sharron tate continued to be at every hearing every year she was alive Sharron Tate sister now goes to every single hearing. Those victims were not given a chance yet the killers should be?

laws change, you keep focussing on fact that California got out of the stone age and did away with the death penalty, who cares.

do you not think 44 years in prison is not punishment for a crime?

[Cajuncowboy]

you know the world is not black and white as you believe it is, they killed, they have done their time,


No, they haven't. They got life after the death penalty was overturned. So no, they haven't done their time. When they die in jail, then they will have done their time.

ask yourself, if they were soldiers acting on orders, would you want them to be in jail forever?

You are one seriously flawed individual.

[Doomsday101]

you people are focussing way too much on the fact Tate was pregnant, it was an aggravating factor but at the end of the day, not all that relevant to whether or not her killers have served an appropriate amount of time.

I'm not focused on tate being pregnant. They were given death they ended up with life that is the punishement. appropriate amount of time? easy LIFE

[Cajuncowboy]

you people are focussing way too much on the fact Tate was pregnant, it was an aggravating factor but at the end of the day, not all that relevant to whether or not her killers have served an appropriate amount of time.

Holy ****! This would be so :lmao2: if it wasn't so sad there are people that have this mentality.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

CCF, I like you, I think you're fairly level-headed...but hang on just a second:



That is almost assuredly not true, because they are serial killers/psychotic.



Protecting the greater safety of society.



As a military man, yes. Everyone has a duty to disregard unlawful orders, and I think in basic morality, that duty extends to civilians as well to disregard requests for unlawful action.

There's a crime for that, it's called solicitation.

Not sure you can call them serial killers only because it was a one off thing, they killed more than one at the time, not in a series of murders.

I don't see 70+ year old women as threats to society.

Leave them in or let them out, no skin off my nose as my life won't be affected in the least, but they aren't a threat.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

No, they haven't. They got life after the death penalty was overturned. So no, they haven't done their time. When they die in jail, then they will have done their time.

You are one seriously flawed individual.

you really need to stop projecting

[Doomsday101]

laws change, you keep focussing on fact that California got out of the stone age and did away with the death penalty, who cares.

do you not think 44 years in prison is not punishment for a crime?

No I don't think 44 years is enough their victims do not get a reprieve why should their killers get a reprieve to enjoy life.

What they are getting now is plain and simple punishment for what they did.


I find it strange how some can put such little value on the life of the victim. These people did nothing to provoke their killing and when they begged for their own life they got butchered so why should the killers now walk free.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

No I don't think 44 years is enough their victims do not get a reprieve why should their killers get a reprieve to enjoy life.

What they are getting now is plain and simple punishment for what they did.


I find it strange how some can put such little value on the life of the victim. These people did nothing to provoke their killing and when they begged for their own life they got butchered so why should the killers now walk free.

it is hard to say they are walking free after 44 years in the clink,

[Doomsday101]

Not sure you can call them serial killers only because it was a one off thing, they killed more than one at the time, not in a series of murders.

I don't see 70+ year old women as threats to society.

Leave them in or let them out, no skin off my nose as my life won't be affected in the least, but they aren't a threat.

They are no threat and they are not free either. That right was taken from them for what they did.

[Cajuncowboy]

you really need to stop projecting

You really need to stop posting. You sound like an ignoramus.

[Doomsday101]

it is hard to say they are walking free after 44 years in the clink,

They are able to enjoy many things the victims no longer can. They are not free and should not be free. See that is the punishment

[Cajuncowboy]

No I don't think 44 years is enough their victims do not get a reprieve why should their killers get a reprieve to enjoy life.

What they are getting now is plain and simple punishment for what they did.


I find it strange how some can put such little value on the life of the victim. These people did nothing to provoke their killing and when they begged for their own life they got butchered so why should the killers now walk free.

Here's the bottom line. Let's call a spade a spade.

These kind of people don't care about real victims. They give victim status to the perpetrators as seen in the despicable posts in this thread. personally, I think they should share in the perpetrators shame for taking these positions. These are the type of people that have driven society to where it is today. They value the life of the evil above that of the innocent. It is prevalent in many areas of our society. They are the cause of most of societies ills and will continue to be. It is a shame they exist like they do but we have to deal with them.

[vta]

you people are focussing way too much on the fact Tate was pregnant, it was an aggravating factor but at the end of the day, not all that relevant to whether or not her killers have served an appropriate amount of time.

It's entirely relevant to the level of empathy/sympathy lacking in the savage and entirely relevant in how to base a good judgement of the savage doing the killing.

It may not have been advanced as a double murder in Tate's case, but pregnancy has every bit of relevancy on how a murder is charged.

And even if no one were pregnant, it was still nothing more than a jolly killing by savages who entirely lack sympathy and are not in anyway to be afforded such a thing. Dying of prostate or breast cancer in a controlled environment is far more grace than they deserve.

[casmith07]

Not sure you can call them serial killers only because it was a one off thing, they killed more than one at the time, not in a series of murders.

I don't see 70+ year old women as threats to society.

Leave them in or let them out, no skin off my nose as my life won't be affected in the least, but they aren't a threat.

I fail to see how one who has shown a psychotic propensity to kill is not still a threat.

If it were a one off crime of passion? No. Participating in a systematic killing spree? No thanks. Leave em in. They're still a threat to repeat the same offense or incite someone else to do it for them.

[Jammer]

they have been in prison for over 40 years, they have done their time in my view, especially in the circumstances of how they were brainwashed, under influence of psychotic drugs etc

does keeping them in jail now really serve a purpose?

I'm against the death penalty in all forms, but when it's life in prison, it's life in prison. Getting a warm fuzzy with people after they've served so many years is why a lot of people don't want life behind bars, but death, because death is final. As a sentence of life behind bars should be.

[CanadianCowboysFan]

It's entirely relevant to the level of empathy/sympathy lacking in the savage and entirely relevant in how to base a good judgement of the savage doing the killing.

It may not have been advanced as a double murder in Tate's case, but pregnancy has every bit of relevancy on how a murder is charged.

And even if no one were pregnant, it was still nothing more than a jolly killing by savages who entirely lack sympathy and are not in anyway to be afforded such a thing. Dying of prostate or breast cancer in a controlled environment is far more grace than they deserve.

I appreciate your view but the murders are 44 years old, they were young and dumb when they happened, they are seniors now. There's probably a greater chance of Zrinkill and Cajun going postal at work than them killing again.

I really don't care if they get out or not, won't have any effect on me but I can't see how they are the same people now they were oh those many years ago.

In the end of course, it is all moot, no parole board would ever have the stones to let them out even on supervised day parole.

[Cajuncowboy]

I appreciate your view but the murders are 44 years old, they were young and dumb when they happened, they are seniors now. There's probably a greater chance of Zrinkill and Cajun going postal at work than them killing again.

I really don't care if they get out or not, won't have any effect on me but I can't see how they are the same people now they were oh those many years ago.

In the end of course, it is all moot, no parole board would ever have the stones to let them out even on supervised day parole.

Would you hire them to work with you?

Oh, and are going to stop by my office anytime soon?

[arglebargle]

Before I'd give any one of these folks a serious consideration of parole and probation, I would want to talk to every single prison worker who deals with them every day, and from whom they'd have great difficulty hiding their true nature.

Not Manson though. He needs to be locked away forever.

Serious focus should be on the violent types both in prison and out.

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

He will never breathe free air again. Nor should he.

This. Once again the criminal justice shows its an utter joke if they let this clown out.

[silverbear]

A parole hearing is scheduled April 11 for Manson, who was initially sentenced to death for the 1969 slayings of actress Sharon Tate and six others by a group of his followers as part of what prosecutors said was an attempt to incite a race war. His death sentence was changed to life in prison after California's death penalty was overturned for a period during the 1970s.

Manson may choose not to attend the hearing. The last time he appeared at his parole hearing was 15 years ago. He has been denied parole 11 times.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/04/justice/california-charles-manson/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

They should let him out, he's served enough time... the poor man clearly needs the services of a good barber...

Free Charlie... free Charlie... free Charlie...

[Arch Stanton]

He's pure evil...

[casmith07]

We were talking about specific people ....... not random killers.

I cannot believe you would think that of me.

An honest mistake.

[casmith07]

This. Once again the criminal justice shows its an utter joke if they let this clown out.

Just stop. Learn some stuff in school, go to law school if you think it's so terrible or run for office. But stop with the self-serving, biased nonsensical statements.

[NoDak Cowboy]

you know the world is not black and white as you believe it is, they killed, they have done their time, they are no longer a threat to society, they are old, what purpose is served by leaving them in jail when we all know the real culprit is Manson who took advantage of them, gave them drugs, amazing sex (apparently he had a real sexual hold over them) and turned them into monsters.
They had their death sentences turned over to life sentences. LIFE. L.I.F.E They are still alive, so they have not completed their sentence.

ask yourself, if they were soldiers acting on orders, would you want them to be in jail forever?
Actually, no. I'd want them put to death. But in this case, since there is no death penalty now in California, yes. I would.

Soldiers are supposed to refuse unlawful orders, and report them to higher. So if they made the choice to follow an unlawful order, they should suffer the consequences along with the person who issued said order.

[hipfake08]

or extremecowboyszone.com?

No. We have standards here.:rolleyes:

[The30YardSlant]

Once again the criminal justice shows its an utter joke if they let this clown out.

It's just a parole hearing, they are obligated by law to hold it. If they deny him his hearing it's grounds for a suit against the state and he COULD get out.

There is less than zero chance that he ever actually gets out. Parole can be denied for essentially any reason the state sees fit and their decision is not open to appeal.

[The30YardSlant]

ask yourself, if they were soldiers acting on orders, would you want them to be in jail forever?

First of all, yes...and they would be put in jail forever just as if they were a civilian. U.S. military law states that the following of unlawful orders is punishable to the full extent of the crime. Past precedent has shown time and again that the "I was just following orders" defense will not save you.

Second, from a moral AND a legal standpoint premediatated murder is much different than a war crime in the heat of the moment.

[BraveHeartFan]

I have more sympathy for the girls mostly because they were duped by Charlie and were not of sound mind.

I don't.

No one told them to go running around finding random people to live with and hook up with.

No one made them decide to join up with Manson or to do drugs or do any of the things that led to them falling in love with him or what the hell ever reason they gave for their stupidity.

They weren't brainwashed when they started running all over creation looking for people to love them. They chose him, his group, and to follow. That's on them and no one else.



they have been in prison for over 40 years, they have done their time in my view, especially in the circumstances of how they were brainwashed, under influence of psychotic drugs etc

does keeping them in jail now really serve a purpose?


Yes it does. It's called punishment for taking anothers life. Personally I wished they'd been given death, as they were originally supposed to be given, as it's what they deserve.

But since the sentence is now life that's exactly what they should get. I don't care if they're 90 and dying of cancer they don't deserve to be out from behind bars ever. They deserve the exact same mercy they gave their victims.

Zero.

Also, on a side note, why don't you go ask the family and friends of their victims if it serves a purpose or not having them in jail. Also maybe you should think about how you'd feel if it was your pregnant wife or sister or someone that meant the world to you that they'd simply butchered just because they felt like it. Still think it's ok for them to roam around the free world, to do as they please, whenever they please just because they're old?



It's when a person is duped into believing a savage murderer is somehow awarded a measure of victim status, granting him/her a level of sympathy, - a necessary human element that was entirely absent from said savage as he/she was plunging a knife into a pregnant woman's belly.

Excellent post.


you people are focussing way too much on the fact Tate was pregnant, it was an aggravating factor but at the end of the day, not all that relevant to whether or not her killers have served an appropriate amount of time.

What exactly is the approperiate amount of time for killing a person? 10 years? 20? 50?

Tell me again when do their victims get to live their lives after their death sentence cast upon them by individuals who simply felt like killing people cause they wanted to please their crazy as hell leader?


I appreciate your view but the murders are 44 years old, they were young and dumb when they happened, they are seniors now. There's probably a greater chance of Zrinkill and Cajun going postal at work than them killing again.

I really don't care if they get out or not, won't have any effect on me but I can't see how they are the same people now they were oh those many years ago.

In the end of course, it is all moot, no parole board would ever have the stones to let them out even on supervised day parole.

Oh well in that case lets let all the murders and rapists and serial killers out that were caught when they were young and dumb. I mean gosh I didn't realise being young and stupid when you commited a disgusting crime meant that you should be given leniency later.


Cause they were young and dumb....there is only one thing about that which is dumb and it's the notion that being young and dumb should ever be a suitable defense.

[BraveHeartFan]

First of all, yes...and they would be put in jail forever just as if they were a civilian. U.S. military law states that the following of unlawful orders is punishable to the full extent of the crime. Past precedent has shown time and again that the "I was just following orders" defense will not save you.

Second, from a moral AND a legal standpoint premediatated murder is much different than a war crime in the heat of the moment.


That's the best explanation that you'll find for that question. Well done 30.

[joseephuss]

How did this turn into a serious thread?

[vta]

How did this turn into a serious thread?

The lawyer... :muttley:

[arglebargle]

First of all, yes...and they would be put in jail forever just as if they were a civilian. U.S. military law states that the following of unlawful orders is punishable to the full extent of the crime. Past precedent has shown time and again that the "I was just following orders" defense will not save you.

Second, from a moral AND a legal standpoint premediatated murder is much different than a war crime in the heat of the moment.

Actually, the courts seem to have gone back and forth on the military issue of unlawful orders. You can find cases on both sides of the fence there.

Premeditated murder is certainly viewed as the more heinous crime. The brainwashing thing may or may not have been relevant, but courts seem to generally not put much weight on that, in my limited experiance.

[arglebargle]

How did this turn into a serious thread?

Because there's not much real discussion to be had about keeping Manson in the clink? That one's a no-brainer....

[Joe Realist]

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