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Nightshade
04-08-2005, 04:32 PM
INJURY REPORT

2004 -- Suffered a left arm contusion on the first play of the Capital One Bowl matchup vs. Louisiana State. When the arm started to swell, the coaches urged him to leave the field to get it examined, Roth merely said, "I'm not coming out for this." :mad:

Talk about the definitive "Parcells guy"

Don't be surprised if we take him at 20.

Duane
04-08-2005, 04:34 PM
INJURY REPORT

2004 -- Suffered a left arm contusion on the first play of the Capital One Bowl matchup vs. Louisiana State. When the arm started to swell, the coaches urged him to leave the field to get it examined, Roth merely said, "I'm not coming out for this." :mad:

Talk about the definitive "Parcells guy"

Don't be surprised if we take him at 20.
Roth has really grown on me after reading draft reports. He and Pollack are the only two first round 4-3 DEs I like.

Nightshade
04-08-2005, 04:34 PM
BTW
You've all probably read this, but here's the entire NFL. com draft profile on him.


Prospect Profiles Click here to find out more!
Matthew "Roth" Roth
Position: Defensive End Matt Roth
College: Iowa
Height: 6-3
Weight: 272
Hometown: Villa Park, Ill.

Analysis | Injury Report | Agility | High School | Personal

OVERVIEW

Roth is regarded as one of the premier pass rushers in the collegiate ranks and one of the toughest players in the country. He is a blue-chip prospect with a blue-collar work ethic. Roth is a colorful character who plays the game as if he is on a "search and destroy" mission. He is the source of a campus urban legend, as many Hawkeyes talk of the time Roth challenged and cleared out an entire bar in a fight.

Even in practices, the coaches have to pray he stays under control. They will generally blow the whistle early on plays, so Roth does not hurt any of the offensive players. There are times when he plays with such intensity in practices that the coaches must sit him down, even for walk-throughs.

Roth was a standout linebacker and fullback at Willowbrook (Ill.) High. He was a consensus all-state pick and named Illinois High School Athlete of the Year by the Chicago Tribune as a senior, totaling 161 tackles with four sacks, 23 stops for losses, 10 forced fumbles and a state-record 12 blocked kicks. He also scored four times while gaining 307 yards rushing.

Roth began his Iowa career as a middle linebacker, recording 19 tackles (12 solo) in 12 games as a reserve in 2001. He shifted to the defensive line in 2002, as the coaches felt he played with too much reckless abandon to be effective as a linebacker. Roth responded to the move by recording 48 tackles (22 solo) with 10 sacks, 11 stops behind the line of scrimmage and 11 quarterback pressures, despite starting only one game. Roth took over left end duties in 2003, collecting 51 tackles (32 solo) with 12 sacks, 16 stops for losses and four forced fumbles. Only Leroy Smith (18 in 1991) had more sacks in a season for the Hawkeyes.

With an additional 10 pounds of muscle on his frame in 2004, Roth put together a banner senior season, earning All-America honors. He ranked fourth in the Big Ten Conference with eight sacks and registered 15 stops for losses (sixth in the Big Ten), eight pressures and 49 tackles (34 solo) while leading the conference with three forced fumbles.

In 49 games, he started 25 times, recording 167 tackles (100 solo) with 23 quarterback pressures, 30 sacks for minus-192 yards, 43 stops for losses of 224 yards, eight forced fumbles, a fumble recovery and a pass deflection. His 30 career sacks rank third in school history, topped only by Mike Wells (33, 1990-93) and Jared DeVries (42, 1995-98). Only Wells (54) and DeVries (78) registered more tackles behind the line of scrimmage in a career for the Hawkeyes.

ANALYSIS

Roth is a well-built athlete with a powerful upper body, long arms, broad shoulders, quick feet, above-average explosion off the snap, narrow hips, and thick thighs and calves. His quickness allows him to be very effective on stunts, playing with his hand down wide to the open side to get after the quarterback instantly coming out of his stance. He does an excellent job of generating a strong hand punch, showing good extension to keep blockers off his body to shed.

Roth plays with superb field awareness and has very good agility for his position, making plays in pursuit. He demonstrates an explosive initial burst and can flash upfield, displaying fine foot agility when dropping off in pass coverage. Roth comes off his stance ready to deliver forceful inside counter moves on his upfield rush and has excellent recovery speed in pursuit. While he might be a little stiff in his hips and can sometimes come off the snap a little high in his stance, he uses his power to gain leverage and is very combative with his arms (rip and swim moves) to prevent blockers from containing him.

Roth has the short-area agility to penetrate the line, collapse the pocket and pressure the quarterback, doing a very nice job of keeping his feet as he works well transferring his weight. He has developed into a disruptive pass rusher who gains leverage with his strong straight-ahead charge off the snap. Roth stays in control and has a sharp and sudden burst coming off the edge as a pass rusher. He also uses his short-area speed to collapse the pocket and bring down the quarterback in the backfield.

His lateral and upfield quickness allow him to consistently get past the offensive tackle when attempting to penetrate. Roth generates explosion as a pass rusher and is very fluid delivering secondary moves after his initial thrust into the pile. He might need to add bulk to play at the next level, but his upper-body strength is evident by the way he can rip, stalk and drag blockers down with his hands.

Roth uses an explosive first step to gain advantage, but when he gets high in his stance (mostly when redirecting inside), he struggles to disengage, but his lateral agility lets him slip off blocks. He has very good leg drive and lower-body strength to gain leverage and prevent the opponent from moving him out when coming off the edge. Roth is best when playing on the move, as he has an uncanny knack for sifting out the play, spotting the ball and then squeezing through tight spaces to zero in on the ball carrier or passer.

His hands are a great asset, as he is very effective delivering good spin and swim moves to penetrate the backfield, control blockers and keep separation. He takes dead aim on the quarterback and has the explosive burst to get to his man. Roth is a high-energy type who does a good job of clearing his feet when chasing.

INJURY REPORT

2004 -- Suffered a left arm contusion on the first play of the Capital One Bowl matchup vs. Louisiana State. When the arm started to swell, the coaches urged him to leave the field to get it examined, Roth merely said, "I'm not coming out for this."

AGILITY

4.77 in the 40-yard dash … 410-pound bench press … 675-pound squat … 325-pound power clean … 33-inch vertical jump … 30 7/8-inch arm length … 10-inch hands … Right-handed.

HIGH SCHOOL

Attended Willowbrook (Villa Park, Ill.) High, playing four seasons for coach Chuck Tassio … Consensus All-America selection as a senior, competing as a linebacker and fullback … Named Illinois High School Athlete of the Year by the Chicago Tribune … Two-time all-conference pick, adding all-state and league Defensive Player of the Year honors as a senior … Served as team captain while earning MVP accolades as a senior … Recorded 161 tackles with four sacks, 23 stops for losses, 10 forced fumbles and a state-record 12 blocked kicks as a senior … Collected 110 tackles with 11 sacks and 29 stops behind the line of scrimmage during his junior campaign … Rushed for 307 yards and four touchdowns as a senior … Lettered four times in wrestling, earning the state title as a senior with a perfect 31-0 record … Won school Academic Merit honors.

PERSONAL

Open major … Son of Kelley and Tom Roth … Born Oct. 14, 1982 … Resides in Villa Park, Ill.

Roughneck
04-08-2005, 04:35 PM
INJURY REPORT

2004 -- Suffered a left arm contusion on the first play of the Capital One Bowl matchup vs. Louisiana State. When the arm started to swell, the coaches urged him to leave the field to get it examined, Roth merely said, "I'm not coming out for this." :mad:

Talk about the definitive "Parcells guy"

Don't be surprised if we take him at 20.If anybody takes him in the first round, I'd be surprised.

If we take him at #20, I'll be pissed.

RESIN8
04-08-2005, 04:36 PM
I don't see why we'd draft a player who could fall as far as the early/middle second round.

LA=Pancakemaker
04-08-2005, 04:40 PM
I don't see why we'd draft a player who could fall as far as the early/middle second round

Maybe . but is he just underrated? I heard Parcells likes him alot. Depending on what we have done or whats left ...maybe.

InmanRoshi
04-08-2005, 04:48 PM
FWIW, there are some people who claim they knew him in high school on another board I saw who claim that its pretty common knowledge that he uses the Jose Canseco deitary supplement program.

LA=Pancakemaker
04-08-2005, 04:50 PM
that he uses the Jose Canseco deitary supplement program.

If this is the case ...pass, our drug days are over....

Roughneck
04-08-2005, 04:52 PM
If this is the case ...pass, our drug days are over....That's BS. Did you not see how big Cundiff's Arms were last year?

Nightshade
04-08-2005, 04:58 PM
Pollack's a linebacker.
Spears is strictly a 3-4 end.
James has an extensive injury history.
Canty has an extensive injury history.
Ware's a linebacker.

So if we're going to get a DE I guess it's Merriman, Tuck or maybe that crazed football player from Iowa. I think BP'd take Roth over Cody though.

Just doing that pre-draft speculating thing.

jobberone
04-08-2005, 05:21 PM
David Pollack, DE, Georgiahttp://www.tsxdata.com/NFL/mugs/coldavidpollack.jpgName: David Pollack Number: 47
Height: 6-2 Weight: 265
Position: DE Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2005
40 Time: 4.75
College: Georgia
Projected Round: 1
http://www.tsxdata.com/College/teams/37.jpg Combine Results
Pro Day Results
Combine Invite? yes
Height: 6021
Weight: 265
40 Yrd Dash: 4.75
20 Yrd Dash: 2.71
10 Yrd Dash: 1.67
Wonderlic: 30
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 25
Vertical Jump: 37
Broad Jump: 10'0"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.94
3-Cone Drill: 6.87

Dates: 03/22/2005
Height: 6021
Weight: 265
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump:
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:


Matt Roth, DE, Iowahttp://www.tsxdata.com/NFL/mugs/1922.jpgName: Matt Roth Number: 31
Height: 6-4 Weight: 278
Position: DE Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2005
40 Time: 4.81
College: Iowa
Projected Round: 1
http://www.tsxdata.com/College/teams/44.jpg Combine Results
Pro Day Results
Combine Invite? yes
Height: 6036
Weight: 278
40 Yrd Dash: 4.81
20 Yrd Dash: 2.79
10 Yrd Dash: 1.68
Wonderlic: 16
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 26
Vertical Jump: 32
Broad Jump: 9'4"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.36
3-Cone Drill: 7.65

Dates: 03/21/2005
Height: 6036
Weight: 278
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump:
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:




Just a quick look at the stats. I don't think you can argue with Pollacks production and he's more of an athlete.

I would be upset if we took Roth over Pollack at 20. In fact I would be upset if we took Roth over several other DE's.

But that is JMO.

ghst187
04-08-2005, 05:26 PM
Roth doesn't strike me as a guy who will have great success in the NFL. He was phenom in college, very disruptive, but IMO lacks the athleticism and quickness it will take to get to the QB in the pros. I'd rank Pollack over Roth because I think Pollack's pass rush moves are more refined. I don't dare touch Roth before the middle of the second round. Kid is definitely a TOUGH competitor though.

Nightshade
04-08-2005, 05:31 PM
David Pollack, DE, Georgiahttp://www.tsxdata.com/NFL/mugs/coldavidpollack.jpgName: David Pollack Number: 47
Height: 6-2 Weight: 265
Position: DE Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2005
40 Time: 4.75
College: Georgia
Projected Round: 1
http://www.tsxdata.com/College/teams/37.jpg Combine Results
Pro Day Results
Combine Invite? yes
Height: 6021
Weight: 265
40 Yrd Dash: 4.75
20 Yrd Dash: 2.71
10 Yrd Dash: 1.67
Wonderlic: 30
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 25
Vertical Jump: 37
Broad Jump: 10'0"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 3.94
3-Cone Drill: 6.87

Dates: 03/22/2005
Height: 6021
Weight: 265
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump:
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:


Matt Roth, DE, Iowahttp://www.tsxdata.com/NFL/mugs/1922.jpgName: Matt Roth Number: 31
Height: 6-4 Weight: 278
Position: DE Pos2:
Class/Draft Year: Sr/2005
40 Time: 4.81
College: Iowa
Projected Round: 1
http://www.tsxdata.com/College/teams/44.jpg Combine Results
Pro Day Results
Combine Invite? yes
Height: 6036
Weight: 278
40 Yrd Dash: 4.81
20 Yrd Dash: 2.79
10 Yrd Dash: 1.68
Wonderlic: 16
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 26
Vertical Jump: 32
Broad Jump: 9'4"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.36
3-Cone Drill: 7.65

Dates: 03/21/2005
Height: 6036
Weight: 278
40 Yrd Dash:
20 Yrd Dash:
10 Yrd Dash:
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump:
Broad Jump:
20 Yrd Shuttle:
3-Cone Drill:




Just a quick look at the stats. I don't think you can argue with Pollacks production and he's more of an athlete.

I would be upset if we took Roth over Pollack at 20. In fact I would be upset if we took Roth over several other DE's.

But that is JMO.


Hey man here are some stats that'll really prove your point...

David Pollack

Height: 6'2"
Weight: 265 lbs.
40: 4.79 - Combine
Stats:
2001: 37 Tackles 2 Sacks 0 INT 1 FF
2002: 102 Tackles 14 Sacks 2 INT 2 FF
2003: 92 Tackles 7 ½ Sacks 2 INT 1 FF
2004: 52 Tackles 12 ½ Sacks 0 INT 3 FF

Matt Roth
Defensive End - Ranked #3
Iowa

Matt Roth

Height: 6'3"
Weight: 279 lbs.
40: 4.79 - Estimated
Stats:
2001: 19 Tackles 0 Sacks 2 FF
2002: 48 Tackles 10 Sacks 0 FF
2003: 51 Tackles 12 Sacks 0 FF
2004: 49 Tackles 8 Sacks 1 FF

I just like Roth's size better than Pollack. Unless it's all 'roids related. But that stat is unavailable at this time.

Nightshade
04-08-2005, 05:33 PM
Ooops,

I forgot. Tuck's got himself a pretty extensive injury history as well.

InmanRoshi
04-08-2005, 05:36 PM
http://www.tsxdata.com/NFL/mugs/1922.jpg

I move a player down on my board when he paints his face in eye black like a professional wrestler. That just screams "Bush League".

Rockytop6
04-08-2005, 05:46 PM
My son is an alumnus of U of Iowa and I follow the Hawkeyes when I can. If Roth were to fall to the 2nd rd then I want him. I have seen him do some awesome things in college. I don't know if it will translate to the pros but who can be sure about any of the players.

Nightshade
04-08-2005, 05:48 PM
http://www.tsxdata.com/NFL/mugs/1922.jpg

I move a player down on my board when he paints his face in eye black like a professional wrestler. That just screams "Bush League".


Let's not forget that bleached blond Gary Bucey/Rick Flair hair style that Parcells was sportin' when he first came on board. I mean c'mon man, we've got to keep it all in perspective and remember who's going to be doing the drafting.

jobberone
04-08-2005, 05:58 PM
Hey man here are some stats that'll really prove your point...

David Pollack

Height: 6'2"
Weight: 265 lbs.
40: 4.79 - Combine
Stats:
2001: 37 Tackles 2 Sacks 0 INT 1 FF
2002: 102 Tackles 14 Sacks 2 INT 2 FF
2003: 92 Tackles 7 ½ Sacks 2 INT 1 FF
2004: 52 Tackles 12 ½ Sacks 0 INT 3 FF

Matt Roth
Defensive End - Ranked #3
Iowa

Matt Roth

Height: 6'3"
Weight: 279 lbs.
40: 4.79 - Estimated
Stats:
2001: 19 Tackles 0 Sacks 2 FF
2002: 48 Tackles 10 Sacks 0 FF
2003: 51 Tackles 12 Sacks 0 FF
2004: 49 Tackles 8 Sacks 1 FF

I just like Roth's size better than Pollack. Unless it's all 'roids related. But that stat is unavailable at this time.

Well you're right. That's the knock on Pollack. Short arms. Not as tall. I think Roth is falling some and Pollack is steadily gaining ground into the top 20 now probably 10-20 despite the short arms. His shuttle times are still being talked about. Quick. Very quick guy with big motor from big program with big numbers and lots of production. Not a lot of downside here.

Barron, Williams and Pollack are three of the low risks picks in the draft even if not rated as high as some. IMO.

RESIN8
04-08-2005, 07:06 PM
At the 20th pick why pick someone that a lot of teams will pass on in for the rest of the third tier. I'd rather get that value or trade down and grab Matt Roth. Not saying i don't like the guy, just trying to make positional sense out of it. At that position i'd rather Get Barnes who Roth said was an absolute beast at OT.

IndianaCowboyFan
04-08-2005, 07:23 PM
FWIW, there are some people who claim they knew him in high school on another board I saw who claim that its pretty common knowledge that he uses the Jose Canseco deitary supplement program.

I have heard this as well. He really is not dominate against decent O linemen and he is a cheap shot artist. I have seen him play several times and I would not rate him a first round talent at all. Maybe late second, but I think he will be a flop in the NFL.

dbair1967
04-08-2005, 08:03 PM
INJURY REPORT

2004 -- Suffered a left arm contusion on the first play of the Capital One Bowl matchup vs. Louisiana State. When the arm started to swell, the coaches urged him to leave the field to get it examined, Roth merely said, "I'm not coming out for this." :mad:

Talk about the definitive "Parcells guy"

Don't be surprised if we take him at 20.

I wouldnt be mad if we ended up with Roth or Pollack, though with Roth I'd hope it was after trading down from 20

but I wont be mad if we do...he has the makings of a good DE

David

dbair1967
04-08-2005, 08:05 PM
I don't see why we'd draft a player who could fall as far as the early/middle second round.

I cant see this guy falling that far at all, not unless he has some issue we dont know about...

the guy looked like arguably the best player on the field in the senior bowl and dominated the OT's he faced...he isnt top-15 worthy, but I think he's definitely a lock for rd one

David

blindzebra
04-08-2005, 08:09 PM
I cant see this guy falling that far at all, not unless he has some issue we dont know about...

the guy looked like arguably the best player on the field in the senior bowl and dominated the OT's he faced...he isnt top-15 worthy, but I think he's definitely a lock for rd one

David

He's a football player. Just watch he will end up in NE and become a star.

Rayman
04-08-2005, 08:28 PM
He's a football player. Just watch he will end up in NE and become a star.


Yep.

I'd love to have him on draft day, though I'm a Hawkeye fan too. ;)

One thing about him is he never quits and I think that is exactly why he will be good. Guys like him can't be properly evaluated in shorts and track shoes.

He has the speed, toughness and tenacity to excell in this league.

Enough Buckeyes, I just hope we finally get a decent Hawkeye on the team. :D

Perhaps Babineaux even?

speedkilz88
04-08-2005, 08:48 PM
Yep.

I'd love to have him on draft day, though I'm a Hawkeye fan too. ;)

One thing about him is he never quits and I think that is exactly why he will be good. Guys like him can't be properly evaluated in shorts and track shoes.

He has the speed, toughness and tenacity to excell in this league.

Enough Buckeyes, I just hope we finally get a decent Hawkeye on the team. :D

Perhaps Babineaux even?When you saw Babineaux play, did you think La'Roi Glover?

Rayman
04-08-2005, 10:02 PM
When you saw Babineaux play, did you think La'Roi Glover?

Never really thought about it, but they are about the same size.

During the combine coverage on NFL Network they were saying that Jonathan was the only DT that was asked to compete in the coverage drills that they put the LB's and DE's through.

Very quick and agile. I could maybe see him as a DE.

VACowboy
04-08-2005, 10:30 PM
At the 20th pick why pick someone that a lot of teams will pass on in for the rest of the third tier. I'd rather get that value or trade down and grab Matt Roth. Not saying i don't like the guy, just trying to make positional sense out of it. At that position i'd rather Get Barnes who Roth said was an absolute beast at OT.

Amen. Barnes or Brown.

Spontae
04-08-2005, 10:33 PM
http://www.tsxdata.com/NFL/mugs/1922.jpg

I move a player down on my board when he paints his face in eye black like a professional wrestler. That just screams "Bush League".

Since "bush league" originated as a baseball pejorative, I'm not sure it applies to eye-black painted football players.

mricklefs
04-09-2005, 12:50 AM
Roth is crazy! He is very underated!! Trust me!! i have seen him play since he was a freshman at iowa!! He is a big reason Iowa is turing into a power house!! He was a great leader and always found away to get into the back field. Roth seriously has a screw loose in his head but that is what makes him fun to watch. As long as he dont kick someones *** during traning camp we should be alright. If we get him everyone will be happy.

HeHateMe
04-09-2005, 12:54 AM
If anybody takes him in the first round, I'd be surprised.

If we take him at #20, I'll be pissed.

I'll second that.