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Risen Star
04-08-2012, 09:28 AM
Rather than do versions 1-20, I usually do one a few weeks before the actual draft. I'm sure I'll have some minor tweaking in the days leading up to it and most definitely will rip this up when I see who is actually available when we pick, but on April 8th, 2012, here's where I stand and what I would do should the draft fall like I project.
Players I like at their current value/projection
Andrew Luck QB Stanford
Matt Kalil T USC
Trent Richardson RB Alabama
Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi St.
Luke Kuechly ILB Boston College
Mark Barron S Alabama
Riley Reiff T Iowa
Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina
Cordy Glenn G Georgia
David DeCastro G Stanford
Dont'a Hightower ILB Alabama
Peter Konz C Wisconsin
Coby Fleener TE Stanford
Kendall Reyes DT Connecticut
Amini Silatolu G Midwestern St.
Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin
Josh Robinson CB Central Florida
Ronnell Lewis OLB Oklahoma
Bobby Massie T Mississippi
Trumaine Johnson CB Montana
Alameda Ta'amu DT Washington
Brian Quick WR Appalachian St.
Joe Looney G Wake Forest
Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
Jared Crick DE Nebraska
Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina
Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt
Derek Wolfe DT Cincinnati
Ladarius Green TE Louisiana-Lafayette
Josh Chapman DT Alabama
Kyle Wilber OLB Wake Forest
Bobby Wagner ILB Utah St.
Marvin Jones WR California
Rishaw Johnson G California (Pa.)
William Vlachos C Alabama
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Players I don't like at their current value/projection
Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
Quinton Coples DE North Carolina
Michael Brockers DT LSU
Jonathan Martin T Stanford
Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama
Mike Adams T Ohio St.
Harrison Smith S Notre Dame
Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina
Devon Still DT Penn St.
Cam Johnson DE Virginia
Bruce Irvin OLB West Virginia
Shea McClellin OLB Boise St.
Nick Foles QB Arizona
Doug Martin RB Boise St.
Orson Charles TE Georgia
Zebrie Sanders T Florida St.
Brandon Brooks G Miami (Oh.)
Alfonzo Dennard CB Nebraska
George Iloka S Boise St.
Tommy Streeter WR Miami
Matt Reynolds T BYU
Michael Brewster C Ohio St.
Tank Carder ILB TCU
Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma
Leonard Johnson CB Iowa St.
David Molk C Michigan
Janzen Jackson S McNeese St.
Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin
Audie Cole ILB North Carolina St.
Vontaze Burfict ILB Arizona St.
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My top 50 overall players
(Not a prediction of how they'll come off the board)
1.. Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2.. Matt Kalil T USC
3.. Trent Richardson RB Alabama
4.. Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi St.
5.. Morris Claiborne CB LSU
6.. Luke Kuechly ILB Boston College
7.. Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina
8.. Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma St.
9.. Mark Barron S Alabama
10. Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
11. Cordy Glenn G Georgia
12. Dontari Poe DT Memphis
13. Riley Reiff T Iowa
14. David DeCastro G Stanford
15. Dont'a Hightower ILB Alabama
16. Peter Konz C Wisconsin
17. Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina
18. Coby Fleener TE Stanford
19. Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
20. Kendall Wright WR Baylor
21. Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
22. Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois
23. Quinton Coples DE North Carolina
24. Chander Jones DE Syracuse
25. Michael Brockers DT LSU
26. Lavonte David OLB Nebraska
27. Kendall Reyes DT Connecticut
28. Nick Perry DE USC
29. Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama
30. Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
31. Andre Branch DE Clemson
32. Jonathan Martin T Stanford
33. Rueben Randle WR LSU
34. Josh Robinson CB UCF
35. Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
36. Amini Silatolu G Midwestern St.
37. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan St.
38. Stephen Hill WR Georgia Tech
39. Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin
40. Mike Adams T Ohio St.
41. Ronnell Lewis OLB Oklahoma
42. Brandon Thompson DT Clemson
43. Lamar Miller RB Miami
44. Trumaine Johnson CB Montana
45. Mychal Kendricks ILB California
46. Alameda Ta'amu DT Washington
47. Jared Crick DE Nebraska
48. Zach Brown OLB North Carolina
49. Bobby Massie T Mississippi
50. Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
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Full 2012 Draft Class projection
(Trying to be fair and not have steals drop to us in each round. No trades.)
1(14) Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi St.
When you can nab your 4th overall player at pick 14 you don't pass it up. The Cowboys add a collapse the pocket type DE they've been missing since the 3-4 switch.
2(45) Amini Silatolu G Midwestern St.
Replace Midwestern St. with Wisconsin and you're looking at a 1st round pick. Silatolu walks on to the team as the most stout interior blocker on the roster but with the feet to move in Callahan's scheme. A guy who is just scratching the surface of his immense potential. Could thrive under pro coaching.
3(81) Josh Chapman DT Alabama
Ratliff can now move to DE, at least on a part time basis. Chapman's a field general, leader, tough as nails, high character player you have to drag off the field. He's got the short stout frame to hold up at NT and, IMO, coming out of Saban's scheme is a plug and play player. Instant impact that also enhances Ratliff's performance.
4(113) Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
My personal pet cat. Every spring people get lost in 40 times/short shuttle numbers and forget about guys who are just natural God-given football players. Broyles is in that group. A tailor made NFL slot receiver with the knack for the big play. The NFL won't be too big for him.
4(135) Joe Looney G Wake Forest
Shift him inside to C, where I think he wins that battle this season. Looney is a Jason Garrett type. Team leader, had to fight and claw to get where he is. Highly intelligent and will hold his teammates accountable. Sounds like someone we desperately need in our locker room. Love this guy, though I am not confident he'll still be on the board with this pick.
5(152) Coryell Judie CB Texas A&M
A hamstring injury held him back and allows the Cowboys to get a very nice depth corner with tremendous ball skills this late in the draft. Judie also provides instant impact on special teams. He will stick on this roster as long as health isn't an issue.
6(186) Brett Roy OLB Nevada
The defensive counterpart to Looney. Another team leader who will get in his teammate's face when needed. A high effort character guy who is scheme flexible. Solid college production. Extremely coachable. A team first guy. This is the reason why I don't like Shea McClellin. I can get the same type of player 3 or 4 rounds later in Roy. That's value.
7(222) Jeff Adams T Columbia
An intriguing, developmental player with the feet to play LT in the NFL. When he had to step up in class as the East/West Shrine game, he excelled. The skill set is all there. He just needs time and pro coaching.
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Our roster - 4/28/12
Where we would stand before our undrafted free agent class and 2nd wave of veteran free agency. Obviously we still have some holes. Need a TE, probably a new developmental QB. A safety would be nice. I wouldn't say no to a RB upgrade.
Rookies in bold.
QB - Romo, Orton, McGee, Carpenter
RB - Murray, Felix, Tanner
FB - Vickers, Chapas, Greenhouse
WR - Austin, Bryant, Broyles, Harris, Ogletree, Holmes, Radway, Williams
TE - Witten, Phillips
T - Tyron, Free, Parnell, Adams
G - Livings, Silatolu, Bernadeau, Arkin, Nagy
C - Looney, Kowalski, Costa
DE - Ratliff, Cox, Spears, Hatcher, Coleman, Geathers, Atkins
NT - Chapman, Lissemore, Brent, Calloway
OLB - Ware, Spencer, Butler, Roy, Albright
ILB - Lee, Carter, Connor, Lemon, Satele
CB - Carr, Jenkins, Scandrick, Judie, Butler, Taplin-Ross, Wilson
S - Sensabaugh, Pool, Church, McCray, Silva
LS - Ladouceur
K - Bailey, Forbath
P - Jones
visionary
04-08-2012, 09:39 AM
Great, great draft
Imagine Chapman at NT with Cox and Rat coming from the ends and Ware fronm the edge and Lee up the middle
i could live with this draft
couple this with signing a vet OC to give our rookie OC (or killer) a year of seasoning and we could be on our way
if bacari rambo declares for the supp draft, that could solve our S issues
SDogo
04-08-2012, 09:41 AM
Nice job
reddyuta
04-08-2012, 09:48 AM
Will chapman be ready for the season?
xwalker
04-08-2012, 11:23 AM
You really like Cox.
cowboysooner
04-08-2012, 11:26 AM
I really like the draft. Chapman is a very good player. He is one of about 5 guys who know how to use their hands and 2 gap. Personally, I like him more than almost anyone of Bama's defense. The first 5 rounds are all players that are very good football players with only injuries keeping 3-5 in the rounds where you take them.
brooksey1
04-08-2012, 11:52 AM
Rather than do versions 1-20, I usually do one a few weeks before the actual draft. I'm sure I'll have some minor tweaking in the days leading up to it and most definitely will rip this up when I see who is actually available when we pick, but on April 8th, 2012, here's where I stand and what I would do should the draft fall like I project.
Players I like at their current value/projection
Andrew Luck QB Stanford
Matt Kalil T USC
Trent Richardson RB Alabama
Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi St.
Luke Kuechly ILB Boston College
Mark Barron S Alabama
Riley Reiff T Iowa
Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina
Cordy Glenn G Georgia
David DeCastro G Stanford
Dont'a Hightower ILB Alabama
Peter Konz C Wisconsin
Coby Fleener TE Stanford
Kendall Reyes DT Connecticut
Amini Silatolu G Midwestern St.
Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin
Josh Robinson CB Central Florida
Ronnell Lewis OLB Oklahoma
Bobby Massie T Mississippi
Trumaine Johnson CB Montana
Alameda Ta'amu DT Washington
Brian Quick WR Appalachian St.
Joe Looney G Wake Forest
Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
Jared Crick DE Nebraska
Josh Norman CB Coastal Carolina
Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt
Derek Wolfe DT Cincinnati
Ladarius Green TE Louisiana-Lafayette
Josh Chapman DT Alabama
Kyle Wilber OLB Wake Forest
Bobby Wagner ILB Utah St.
Marvin Jones WR California
Rishaw Johnson G California (Pa.)
William Vlachos C Alabama
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Players I don't like at their current value/projection
Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
Quinton Coples DE North Carolina
Michael Brockers DT LSU
Jonathan Martin T Stanford
Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama
Mike Adams T Ohio St.
Harrison Smith S Notre Dame
Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina
Devon Still DT Penn St.
Cam Johnson DE Virginia
Bruce Irvin OLB West Virginia
Shea McClellin OLB Boise St.
Nick Foles QB Arizona
Doug Martin RB Boise St.
Orson Charles TE Georgia
Zebrie Sanders T Florida St.
Brandon Brooks G Miami (Oh.)
Alfonzo Dennard CB Nebraska
George Iloka S Boise St.
Tommy Streeter WR Miami
Matt Reynolds T BYU
Michael Brewster C Ohio St.
Tank Carder ILB TCU
Travis Lewis OLB Oklahoma
Leonard Johnson CB Iowa St.
David Molk C Michigan
Janzen Jackson S McNeese St.
Russell Wilson QB Wisconsin
Audie Cole ILB North Carolina St.
Vontaze Burfict ILB Arizona St.
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My top 50 overall players
(Not a prediction of how they'll come off the board)
1.. Andrew Luck QB Stanford
2.. Matt Kalil T USC
3.. Trent Richardson RB Alabama
4.. Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi St.
5.. Morris Claiborne CB LSU
6.. Luke Kuechly ILB Boston College
7.. Melvin Ingram DE South Carolina
8.. Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma St.
9.. Mark Barron S Alabama
10. Robert Griffin III QB Baylor
11. Cordy Glenn G Georgia
12. Dontari Poe DT Memphis
13. Riley Reiff T Iowa
14. David DeCastro G Stanford
15. Dont'a Hightower ILB Alabama
16. Peter Konz C Wisconsin
17. Stephon Gilmore CB South Carolina
18. Coby Fleener TE Stanford
19. Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
20. Kendall Wright WR Baylor
21. Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
22. Whitney Mercilus DE Illinois
23. Quinton Coples DE North Carolina
24. Chander Jones DE Syracuse
25. Michael Brockers DT LSU
26. Lavonte David OLB Nebraska
27. Kendall Reyes DT Connecticut
28. Nick Perry DE USC
29. Dre Kirkpatrick CB Alabama
30. Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame
31. Andre Branch DE Clemson
32. Jonathan Martin T Stanford
33. Rueben Randle WR LSU
34. Josh Robinson CB UCF
35. Ryan Tannehill QB Texas A&M
36. Amini Silatolu G Midwestern St.
37. Jerel Worthy DT Michigan St.
38. Stephen Hill WR Georgia Tech
39. Kevin Zeitler G Wisconsin
40. Mike Adams T Ohio St.
41. Ronnell Lewis OLB Oklahoma
42. Brandon Thompson DT Clemson
43. Lamar Miller RB Miami
44. Trumaine Johnson CB Montana
45. Mychal Kendricks ILB California
46. Alameda Ta'amu DT Washington
47. Jared Crick DE Nebraska
48. Zach Brown OLB North Carolina
49. Bobby Massie T Mississippi
50. Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
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Full 2012 Draft Class projection
(Trying to be fair and not have steals drop to us in each round. No trades.)
1(14) Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi St.
When you can nab your 4th overall player at pick 14 you don't pass it up. The Cowboys add a collapse the pocket type DE they've been missing since the 3-4 switch.
2(45) Amini Silatolu G Midwestern St.
Replace Midwestern St. with Wisconsin and you're looking at a 1st round pick. Silatolu walks on to the team as the most stout interior blocker on the roster but with the feet to move in Callahan's scheme. A guy who is just scratching the surface of his immense potential. Could thrive under pro coaching.
3(81) Josh Chapman DT Alabama
Ratliff can now move to DE, at least on a part time basis. Chapman's a field general, leader, tough as nails, high character player you have to drag off the field. He's got the short stout frame to hold up at NT and, IMO, coming out of Saban's scheme is a plug and play player. Instant impact that also enhances Ratliff's performance.
4(113) Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
My personal pet cat. Every spring people get lost in 40 times/short shuttle numbers and forget about guys who are just natural God-given football players. Broyles is in that group. A tailor made NFL slot receiver with the knack for the big play. The NFL won't be too big for him.
4(135) Joe Looney G Wake Forest
Shift him inside to C, where I think he wins that battle this season. Looney is a Jason Garrett type. Team leader, had to fight and claw to get where he is. Highly intelligent and will hold his teammates accountable. Sounds like someone we desperately need in our locker room. Love this guy, though I am not confident he'll still be on the board with this pick.
5(152) Coryell Judie CB Texas A&M
A hamstring injury held him back and allows the Cowboys to get a very nice depth corner with tremendous ball skills this late in the draft. Judie also provides instant impact on special teams. He will stick on this roster as long as health isn't an issue.
6(186) Brett Roy OLB Nevada
The defensive counterpart to Looney. Another team leader who will get in his teammate's face when needed. A high effort character guy who is scheme flexible. Solid college production. Extremely coachable. A team first guy. This is the reason why I don't like Shea McClellin. I can get the same type of player 3 or 4 rounds later in Roy. That's value.
7(222) Jeff Adams T Columbia
An intriguing, developmental player with the feet to play LT in the NFL. When he had to step up in class as the East/West Shrine game, he excelled. The skill set is all there. He just needs time and pro coaching.
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Our roster - 4/28/12
Where we would stand before our undrafted free agent class and 2nd wave of veteran free agency. Obviously we still have some holes. Need a TE, probably a new developmental QB. A safety would be nice. I wouldn't say no to a RB upgrade.
Rookies in bold.
QB - Romo, Orton, McGee, Carpenter
RB - Murray, Felix, Tanner
FB - Vickers, Chapas, Greenhouse
WR - Austin, Bryant, Broyles, Harris, Ogletree, Holmes, Radway, Williams
TE - Witten, Phillips
T - Tyron, Free, Parnell, Adams
G - Livings, Silatolu, Bernadeau, Arkin, Nagy
C - Looney, Kowalski, Costa
DE - Ratliff, Cox, Spears, Hatcher, Coleman, Geathers, Atkins
NT - Chapman, Lissemore, Brent, Calloway
OLB - Ware, Spencer, Butler, Roy, Albright
ILB - Lee, Carter, Connor, Lemon, Satele
CB - Carr, Jenkins, Scandrick, Judie, Butler, Taplin-Ross, Wilson
S - Sensabaugh, Pool, Church, McCray, Silva
LS - Ladouceur
K - Bailey, Forbath
P - Jones
Don't like the DT position being drafted in the RD1. G/C/S/CB is more pressing. If you want guard in RD 2 I like safety/CB in RD1.
dstew60105
04-08-2012, 11:54 AM
Don't like the DT position being drafted in the RD1. G/C/S/CB is more pressing. If you want guard in RD 2 I like safety/CB in RD1.
Not crazy about Cox. Would like more production out of the 14th pick.
Favorite pick Chapman. I think the first two picks you have will be gone before the Cowboys pick. Looney is like Leary, when I first looked at those guys they were 7th/UDFA types who seem to be creeping up.
Staxxxx
04-08-2012, 12:01 PM
1(14) Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi St.
When you can nab your 4th overall player at pick 14 you don't pass it up. The Cowboys add a collapse the pocket type DE they've been missing since the 3-4 switch.
2(45) Amini Silatolu G Midwestern St.
Replace Midwestern St. with Wisconsin and you're looking at a 1st round pick. Silatolu walks on to the team as the most stout interior blocker on the roster but with the feet to move in Callahan's scheme. A guy who is just scratching the surface of his immense potential. Could thrive under pro coaching.
3(81) Josh Chapman DT Alabama
Ratliff can now move to DE, at least on a part time basis. Chapman's a field general, leader, tough as nails, high character player you have to drag off the field. He's got the short stout frame to hold up at NT and, IMO, coming out of Saban's scheme is a plug and play player. Instant impact that also enhances Ratliff's performance.
4(113) Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
My personal pet cat. Every spring people get lost in 40 times/short shuttle numbers and forget about guys who are just natural God-given football players. Broyles is in that group. A tailor made NFL slot receiver with the knack for the big play. The NFL won't be too big for him.
If we land the first 4 like that I'll be the happiest guy in Cowboyland. That is pretty much my dream draft. I might change things up a little bit with the next four but that would just be splitting hairs. Nice Draft!
tm1119
04-08-2012, 03:28 PM
Not crazy about Cox. Would like more production out of the 14th pick.
Yeah a lot of people will be complaining when he gets 3 or 4 sacks a season. I might take a shot at Poe for NT because it also maximizes Rat's potential. But other than him I'm saying no thanks to any d-lineman at 14. I want an impact player at 14.
mensaone
04-08-2012, 03:44 PM
nice job
except why not draft a center in the 4 you got Brewster stting there
love the Chapman pick
MichaelWinicki
04-08-2012, 03:44 PM
Nice effort.
I would sign off on that. Adds several bodies to the the offensive and defensive lines.
MichaelWinicki
04-08-2012, 03:46 PM
Don't like the DT position being drafted in the RD1. G/C/S/CB is more pressing. If you want guard in RD 2 I like safety/CB in RD1.
Cox wouldn't be a DT for the Cowboys. He'd be a starter from day one replacing Coleman.
The pass rush would be getting immediately better.
MichaelWinicki
04-08-2012, 03:49 PM
Yeah a lot of people will be complaining when he gets 3 or 4 sacks a season. I might take a shot at Poe for NT because it also maximizes Rat's potential. But other than him I'm saying no thanks to any d-lineman at 14. I want an impact player at 14.
If Cox came in and got 4 sacks, that would be a big step forward from what the team got out of Coleman and Spears in 2011. You had two defensive lineman COMBINE for 2 sacks and 16 pressures in 800+ snaps.
If Cox came in and averaged 1 sack per 100 snaps you would immediately see sacks increase for Ware, Spencer and Ratliff... And the Cowboy's first down pass defense would become better.
Risen Star
04-08-2012, 04:44 PM
If Cox came in and got 4 sacks, that would be a big step forward from what the team got out of Coleman and Spears in 2011. You had two defensive lineman COMBINE for 2 sacks and 16 pressures in 800+ snaps.
If Cox came in and averaged 1 sack per 100 snaps you would immediately see sacks increase for Ware, Spencer and Ratliff... And the Cowboy's first down pass defense would become better.
He said he wanted an impact player at 14. What he means is he wants someone who he can see make plays more easily than a guy like Cox who facilitates those plays.
We are bad along the offensive line and very ordinary at the defensive line. We can only address one at 14 and Cox is the best talent, IMO. He'll make everybody better.
tm1119
04-08-2012, 05:26 PM
He said he wanted an impact player at 14. What he means is he wants someone who he can see make plays more easily than a guy like Cox who facilitates those plays.
We are bad along the offensive line and very ordinary at the defensive line. We can only address one at 14 and Cox is the best talent, IMO. He'll make everybody better.
I understand what a 3-4 d-linemans job is. We can get a guy who can eat blocks and push the pocket in the 2nd or 3rd round. Still, Thompson, Worthy, Reyes, Crick, Winn, and a couple others can do the same job way past 14 is all I'm saying. Im all for upgrading the d line, just not at 14 unless its Poe who presents 2 possible upgrades.
Risen Star
04-08-2012, 05:29 PM
I understand what a 3-4 d-linemans job is. We can get a guy who can eat blocks and push the pocket in the 2nd or 3rd round. Still, Thompson, Worthy, Reyes, Crick, Winn, and a couple others can do the same job way past 14 is all I'm saying. Im all for upgrading the d line, just not at 14 unless its Poe who presents 2 possible upgrades.
I didn't realize 3-4 ends who can collapse the pocket grew on trees.
Okay. I'll play that game. Who do you want at 14? I'll see if I can find something comparable in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
MichaelWinicki
04-08-2012, 05:35 PM
He said he wanted an impact player at 14. What he means is he wants someone who he can see make plays more easily than a guy like Cox who facilitates those plays.
We are bad along the offensive line and very ordinary at the defensive line. We can only address one at 14 and Cox is the best talent, IMO. He'll make everybody better.
I ask the question, which player is easier to upgrade–Coleman or Spencer?
I would vote Coleman... With Cox.
Would Upshaw or Ingram be an upgrade over Spencer? Not hardly. May even take a step back.
Poe?
He doesn't even figure into the equation... He of little production. He's also too tall for NT and too large for end.
tm1119
04-08-2012, 05:40 PM
I didn't realize 3-4 ends who can collapse the pocket grew on trees.
Okay. I'll play that game. Who do you want at 14? I'll see if I can find something comparable in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
The difference between Cox and guys like Reyes and Winn is pretty minimal in my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion though.
Personally I would look at Poe or Ingram. After that I'm all for trading down to acquire more picks. Perry or Mercilus would be my secondary options though
cowboysooner
04-08-2012, 06:07 PM
Reyes won't get to 45 in all likelihood. Winn is not close to as good a prospect as the 1st round guys. Winn will be the 9th or 10 dl taken and Cox will be 1 or 2.
xwalker
04-08-2012, 08:38 PM
1(14) Fletcher Cox DT Mississippi St.
2(45) Amini Silatolu G Midwestern St.
3(81) Josh Chapman DT Alabama
4(113) Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
4(135) Joe Looney G Wake Forest
Shift him inside to C, where I think he wins that battle this season. Looney is a Jason Garrett type. Team leader, had to fight and claw to get where he is. Highly intelligent and will hold his teammates accountable. Sounds like someone we desperately need in our locker room. Love this guy, though I am not confident he'll still be on the board with this pick.
5(152) Coryell Judie CB Texas A&M
6(186) Brett Roy OLB Nevada
The defensive counterpart to Looney. Another team leader who will get in his teammate's face when needed. A high effort character guy who is scheme flexible. Solid college production. Extremely coachable. A team first guy. This is the reason why I don't like Shea McClellin. I can get the same type of player 3 or 4 rounds later in Roy. That's value.
7(222) Jeff Adams T Columbia
Good read. I have 1 question and 1 comment.
1. Why do you think that Looney can move to Center AND start in year 1? I didn't think he played any Center in college.
2. I think Brett Roy would be a good 6th round pick; however, I don't see any resemblence to Shea McClellin other than being a high effort guy. Roy was a tweener DE / DT in college while McClellin was a tweener DE / LB.
Roy is an interesting player. He's got an odd build with tree-trunks for legs. He looks faster on the field than his timed speed (5.07 and 4.86 forty), but I don't know about his coverage ability as a 3-4 SOLB. At 6'2.6", 275 he is on the short side for either 4-3 or 3-4 DE. His best shot might be to bulk up and play as a rotational 3-tech DT.
Yuma Cactus
04-08-2012, 08:45 PM
Nice job. I see Cox as and AD player (all day). He has a high motor, strength, quickness and some nastiness. An immediate upgrade.
SilverStarCowboy
04-08-2012, 08:48 PM
Coples, Hightower and Brockers should make you hungry, because you'll likely be eating your words.
Risen Star
04-08-2012, 09:14 PM
Good read. I have 1 question and 1 comment.
1. Why do you think that Looney can move to Center AND start in year 1? I didn't think he played any Center in college.
He didn't. It was just a projection I made. The start in year 1 comment was just how bad I feel the competition is right now at that spot. Some of these Gs will have to make the move and I think Looney has the ideal makeup to make that transition. I think it would be in his best interest as a pro player.
I'm not enamored with this C class. If we don't land Konz, I'd rather look to a G, whether it be one already on our roster or in the draft, as our next starting C.
2. I think Brett Roy would be a good 6th round pick; however, I don't see any resemblence to Shea McClellin other than being a high effort guy. Roy was a tweener DE / DT in college while McClellin was a tweener DE / LB.
Roy is an interesting player. He's got an odd build with tree-trunks for legs. He looks faster on the field than his timed speed (5.07 and 4.86 forty), but I don't know about his coverage ability as a 3-4 SOLB. At 6'2.6", 275 he is on the short side for either 4-3 or 3-4 DE. His best shot might be to bulk up and play as a rotational 3-tech DT.
I'm talking about the role they'd play here. Both would be situational edge rushers. McClellin's carrying a 2nd/3rd round grade right now, Roy's in the 5th/6th round. I don't see much difference between the two to account for that.
JMO, of course.
theogt
04-08-2012, 09:18 PM
I didn't realize 3-4 ends who can collapse the pocket grew on trees.
Okay. I'll play that game. Who do you want at 14? I'll see if I can find something comparable in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.They don't. They're very rare. And Cox is the only one worth drafting.
Hoofbite
04-08-2012, 09:27 PM
Comments on Poe?
See he's awfully high in your top 50.
Risen Star
04-08-2012, 09:33 PM
Comments on Poe?
See he's awfully high in your top 50.
I think he's getting a bad rap after the combine performance jumped him up the charts. He's a true 3-4 NT. He's not gonna make many plays in the backfield. To me, it's just a question of whether you feel that position is worthy of a top 15 pick. Conventional wisdom says no. I disagree.
Nawrocki says his upside is off the charts as he gets pro coaching and is surrounded by much better talent. I can't disagree with that. I'd put Kendall Reyes in that equation too. A guy who I think will be a better pro than college player.
Hoofbite
04-08-2012, 10:40 PM
I think he's getting a bad rap after the combine performance jumped him up the charts. He's a true 3-4 NT. He's not gonna make many plays in the backfield. To me, it's just a question of whether you feel that position is worthy of a top 15 pick. Conventional wisdom says no. I disagree.
Nawrocki says his upside is off the charts as he gets pro coaching and is surrounded by much better talent. I can't disagree with that. I'd put Kendall Reyes in that equation too. A guy who I think will be a better pro than college player.
Sure but that's a risk.
You're essentially willing to take a redshirt year because he's not going to pick it all up right away. He has played 3 years of college football and while Memphis might be the taint of college football, I'd be hard pressed to believe they don't know at least the basics.
The idea of getting a guy who's a complete monster at NT is awesome but you have to really believe in your ability to develop talent in order to take that guy.
I just can't get beyond how unproductive he was when he was clearly bigger, faster and stronger than anyone he faced.
Oh_Canada
04-08-2012, 10:55 PM
He said he wanted an impact player at 14. What he means is he wants someone who he can see make plays more easily than a guy like Cox who facilitates those plays.
We are bad along the offensive line and very ordinary at the defensive line. We can only address one at 14 and Cox is the best talent, IMO. He'll make everybody better.
Couldn't agree more-Cox would be the perfect pick for us at #14 and Silatolu will make people forget DeCastro by the middle of year 2. Great mock.
SilverStarCowboy
04-08-2012, 11:11 PM
:write:
Nice Work BTW!
CowboyChris
04-08-2012, 11:20 PM
i dont know when you guys are gonna realize that we arent going to draft any OG's in this draft, hence the FA signings, we addressed that position in last years draft, with the youngsters we took. We are not gonna take 2 OG's in our first 5 picks of this draft. maybe a center but no guards!! you should re-think your mock. this years draft will be primarily DEFENSE!!! with a TE, maybe a WR thrown in there.
Hoofbite
04-08-2012, 11:27 PM
i dont know when you guys are gonna realize that we arent going to draft any OG's in this draft, hence the FA signings, we addressed that position in last years draft, with the youngsters we took. We are not gonna take 2 OG's in our first 5 picks of this draft. maybe a center but no guards!! you should re-think your mock. this years draft will be primarily DEFENSE!!! with a TE, maybe a WR thrown in there.
You can't realistically plan on a 4th or 7th rounder to be the answer at some point in some best-case future.
And I don't think either G they signed prevents Dallas from drafting a G this year either.
They have a bunch of unknowns. What person is comfortable with Livings being the only guy with experience when his experience has been up and down the whole way?
CowboyChris
04-08-2012, 11:43 PM
You can't realistically plan on a 4th or 7th rounder to be the answer at some point in some best-case future.
And I don't think either G they signed prevents Dallas from drafting a G this year either.
They have a bunch of unknowns. What person is comfortable with Livings being the only guy with experience when his experience has been up and down the whole way?
it makes good business sense that we take a OLB and CB pretty high in this draft considering the contracts it will take for Spencer and Jenkins in the future, we have Livings, Bernadeau, Nagy, Arkin to get 2 guards from. at Spencers position you have Butler and??
SilverStarCowboy
04-08-2012, 11:47 PM
i dont know when you guys are gonna realize that we arent going to draft any OG's in this draft, hence the FA signings, we addressed that position in last years draft, with the youngsters we took. We are not gonna take 2 OG's in our first 5 picks of this draft. maybe a center but no guards!! you should re-think your mock. this years draft will be primarily DEFENSE!!! with a TE, maybe a WR thrown in there.
Some people right.... the selfishness of these characters is simply astounding. Thankfully some can recognize the insanity.
This year is very weak on TEs in the Draft.
Hoofbite
04-09-2012, 12:01 AM
it makes good business sense that we take a OLB and CB pretty high in this draft considering the contracts it will take for Spencer and Jenkins in the future, we have Livings, Bernadeau, Nagy, Arkin to get 2 guards from. at Spencers position you have Butler and??
That's an entire offseason away. Basically Dallas has 2 drafts and a free agent period to replace either of those guys should they be too expensive.
I don't see how that would prevent Dallas from drafting a G.
Having a bunch of mid-low rounders to choose from is only slightly better than having nothing to choose from.
Cast off and low-round players can be had by the dozens if a team wants them.
I hope Dallas does go with a OLB at some point. It would be dumb not to.
But it would also be dumb to consider the G position to be so adequately addressed that a player at that position is no longer needed.
I think it would be entirely foolish for Dallas to not pick up a G in the draft.
Even if they took a G in the 1st round, they could still address OLB and CB in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
There are very few positions where this team should not take an opportunity to upgrade if it were available to them.
CowboyChris
04-09-2012, 12:07 AM
That's an entire offseason away. Basically Dallas has 2 drafts and a free agent period to replace either of those guys should they be too expensive.
I don't see how that would prevent Dallas from drafting a G.
Having a bunch of mid-low rounders to choose from is only slightly better than having nothing to choose from.
Cast off and low-round players can be had by the dozens if a team wants them.
I hope Dallas does go with a OLB at some point. It would be dumb not to.
But it would also be dumb to consider the G position to be so adequately addressed that a player at that position is no longer needed.
I think it would be entirely foolish for Dallas to not pick up a G in the draft.
Even if they took a G in the 1st round, they could still address OLB and CB in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
There are very few positions where this team should not take an opportunity to upgrade if it were available to them.
if a blue chip OG fell to us early, i wouldnt rule it out all together, but to take 2 OG's in our first 5 picks, is absurd
Afigueroa22
04-09-2012, 12:25 AM
You really like Cox.
I can't help but misunderstand you. :laugh2:
AKATheRake
04-09-2012, 12:37 AM
Don't like the DT position being drafted in the RD1. G/C/S/CB is more pressing. If you want guard in RD 2 I like safety/CB in RD1.
You mean like the one in my sig? :D
xwalker
04-09-2012, 11:49 AM
I can't help but misunderstand you. :laugh2:
I think Dallas is going to draft Cox and Fuggers.:rolleyes:
Risen Star
04-09-2012, 03:08 PM
Sure but that's a risk.
You're essentially willing to take a redshirt year because he's not going to pick it all up right away. He has played 3 years of college football and while Memphis might be the taint of college football, I'd be hard pressed to believe they don't know at least the basics.
The idea of getting a guy who's a complete monster at NT is awesome but you have to really believe in your ability to develop talent in order to take that guy.
I just can't get beyond how unproductive he was when he was clearly bigger, faster and stronger than anyone he faced.
I agree that a guy like Fletcher Cox is a safer pick but I think you're short changing Poe's production. He's not going to put up numbers you can point at to validate how good he is. It's going to be the numbers his teammates put up around him that will show his true worth. He didn't have much talent around him at Memphis. That's just a fact.
1LoyalCowboyFan
04-09-2012, 10:05 PM
I love your draft it address our DL and OL. Definitely would be a happy camper. No safety but we'll be okay with Judie. However, still think we need a blocking TE or route running TE.
Hoofbite
04-10-2012, 01:05 AM
I agree that a guy like Fletcher Cox is a safer pick but I think you're short changing Poe's production. He's not going to put up numbers you can point at to validate how good he is. It's going to be the numbers his teammates put up around him that will show his true worth. He didn't have much talent around him at Memphis. That's just a fact.
That's kind of a cheesy cop out, isn't it?
He didn't put up numbers because he had no help but any help he did get was because of him?
Surely a guy like Mayock could find all the things that don't show up in the stat column and he dropped him down significantly in his last rankings.
Even if he didn't have help, he's still playing against lower level talent.
Given his size and ability aline he should have been an absolute standout in terms of play because the guys he's facing are that much smaller and weaker.
jblaze2004
04-10-2012, 03:03 PM
i wonder if we draft cox will he somehow get to WARE number 94:D his college number.
Risen Star
04-10-2012, 06:27 PM
That's kind of a cheesy cop out, isn't it?
He didn't put up numbers because he had no help but any help he did get was because of him?
Surely a guy like Mayock could find all the things that don't show up in the stat column and he dropped him down significantly in his last rankings.
Even if he didn't have help, he's still playing against lower level talent.
Given his size and ability aline he should have been an absolute standout in terms of play because the guys he's facing are that much smaller and weaker.
That isn't what I was saying. He plays a position that won't generate impressive numbers. He's a facilitator. Except the players around him lacked the ability to take advantage of it.
Put him on a team with a lot of talent and people are talking about him as the engine of a great defense. But in Memphis you just shrug your shoulders. That's my point.
Risen Star
04-10-2012, 06:29 PM
I love your draft it address our DL and OL. Definitely would be a happy camper. No safety but we'll be okay with Judie. However, still think we need a blocking TE or route running TE.
Thanks. Yes, my draft still leaves a pretty big hole at TE. I had that in mind while I was doing it but just didn't see a good fit. There was always a player I wanted more at each spot.
DWAREZ
04-10-2012, 09:24 PM
Thanks. Yes, my draft still leaves a pretty big hole at TE. I had that in mind while I was doing it but just didn't see a good fit. There was always a player I wanted more at each spot.
Yes, a nice draft, I would love the selections from rounds 1-4 specifically, though as you point out, TE needs to be addressed.
Great job overall.
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